Hello I found these two tender's in my dads stuff. I know the small one is a Vanderbilt medium length not sure what the bigger one is or what they should be behind. All my loco's have tender's. Not sure what my dad was planning useing them for. He was a PRR and NYC fan. Any thought's. Thank's Frank
Just guessing, but the first looks like it's been set up as a canteen or auxliary tender, i.e. one that's just water, no fuel.
The second is very distinctive, seen something similar before, but can't recall the parentage right now. Someone will be able to identify it.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
They are Bachmann tenders. Bachmann sold lots of seperate tenders for those doing kit bashing. The small one is some what freelanced, the big one a C&O prototype.
The small one was sold with the Spectrum 2-8-0 in some roadnames. The large was was sold with the C&O 4-8-2 heavy Mountain.
I used the large ones to do this:
Sheldon
I know the 12 wheeler vandy could have been behind a USRA mountain I've got a C&O flying pump with that sort of tender whether the PRR or NYC had them or not is another question
Hello all,
Great find!
Thanks for sharing!
Hope this helps.
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ATLANTIC CENTRALThey are Bachmann tenders. Bachmann sold lots of seperate tenders for those doing kit bashing. The small one is some what freelanced
I think you are right about Bachmann. The prototype for the small one was a SP C-90 (9000 gal.) Vanderbilt tender, I think. http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m593/garybear/bac89903.jpg
Bachmann offered this tender with a high coal bunker as item 89901:http://images.collector-modeltrains.com/MT-0635230_727667e8-6713-11e1-b738-e091f5975601_00.jpg Regards, Volker
SAR 500 I know the 12 wheeler vandy could have been behind a USRA mountain I've got a C&O flying pump with that sort of tender whether the PRR or NYC had them or not is another question
It's pretty safe to say PRR and NYC both avoided Vanderbilt tenders. The larger tender pictured is a C&O prototype. The smaller one seems to be a Harriman prototype. Model Die Casting (now Athearn) had a slightly different small Harriman Vanderbilt tender several years ago.
Mike, I don't agree with your conclusion that the small one is set up to be a canteen. No front coupler.
Tom
ACY,
Did the Pennsy or NYC not like the Vanderbilt tenders?
NYC did have Vanderbilt locomotives.
It's interesting that the Vanderbilt tender was based on a patent by a member of the Vanderbilt family, who are closely associated with the NYC. That alone might explain the PRR's reluctance to adopt the design. But it doesn't explain the lack of Vanderbilt tenders on the NYC. I can only guess that the Motive Power and Operating Departments of the NYC agreed that the greater capacity of a square tender outweighed the structural advantages of a Vanderbilt.
I am unaware that PRR or NYC ever owned a Vanderbuilt tender. If they did, it was probably a short-lived experiment or something that came with a second-hand loco in a short line acquisition.
The CNR used a fair number of Vanderbilt tenders, mostly behind Mountains and Northerns. In my opinion, theirs were among the best-proportioned...
They also used them behind some of their their S-2-a and S-4-a Mikados...
Wayne
The B&O and C&O were big users of Vanderbilt tenders.
The tenders in question are without a doubt Bachmann pieces. The small one is a coal version of the SP oil version, so as I posted originally, I suspect it has no exact prototype.
Some other large roads that used a lot of Vanderbilt tenders were Seaboard, New Haven, B&O, C&O, Erie, and Great Northern. Most of the time, each road's designs had fairly specific features that differentiated them from those of other roads.
Did UP or SP use vanderbuilt tenders?
ATSFGuy Did UP or SP use vanderbuilt tenders?
Yes:
I would be tempted to bet real money that neither Santa Fe nor Northern Pacific had any.
And, before you ask, SP&S had 4.
Ed
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I would hazard a guess, that fitting the water scoops for the track pans were more difficult on a vanderbilt tender than a water bottom rectangular tender, and as both railroads made extensive use of track pans to pickup water on the fly they standardized on the rectangular tender.
Rick Jesionowski
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That's a mighty fine insight.
Hello Thank's guy's for all the info. I found a box for the small one it's Spectrum from bachmann part#89901 Vanerbilt medium lenth. I am sure the big one is as well. I have a few loco's that these will pluge right in. I'll to do some research and see what I like. Thanks for all the help Frank
From what I can see on their website, Bachmann no longer sells the separate items anymore - at least not the HO tenders. Too bad, I bought a couple of them a while back when they were still available, but could find use for a couple more.
The large Vandy is pretty close to what Great Northern used on some larger engines, and the short Vandy is similar to those used by some Missabe Road steam engines.
wjstixFrom what I can see on their website, Bachmann no longer sells the separate items anymore - at least not the HO tenders.
I just got an email a few days ago from Trainworld. They were closing out bachmann tenders at less than $20 ea. There's two HO models still listed. Not sure how many may be left?
https://www.trainworld.com/search/?bymanufacturer=5334&bycategory=88&byscale=
Good Luck, Ed
ATSFGuyNYC did have Vanderbilt locomotives.
I am confused by this statement.
BMMECNYC ATSFGuy NYC did have Vanderbilt locomotives. I am confused by this statement.
ATSFGuy NYC did have Vanderbilt locomotives.
More like a locomotive named Commodore Vanderbilt....not surprising given the origin of the Central.
Well, yeah.
But if not that, what? Did NYC actually have a locomotive class they called "Vanderbilt"?
7j43k Well, yeah. But if not that, what? Did NYC actually have a locomotive class they called "Vanderbilt"? Ed
As far as I know, no they did not. I can find no reference of the Vanderbuilt family ever manufacturing their own locomotives. Just Cornelius Vanderbuilt III's patent for the tender.
I knew about 5344, the confusing part was the use of locomotives, I thought there was just the one.
Also, there was a complete passenger train called the Commodore Vanderbilt that was the second most important passenger train after the 20th Century Limited, and was the first NYC train to receive streamlined light weight passenger cars.
I look forward to ATSFguy clearing up this problem.
Explain yourself, man!
May I suggest perusing this .pdf then coming back with additional questions...
https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/pages-from-1981q3.pdf
All quite fascinating history. The Commodore himself dispised railroads in general, but enjoyed anything that would increase his fortune.
regards, Ed
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