I am looking for erection drawings of camelback locomotives either real design drawings or model drawings. Ther are few types of this model available in the greater hobby so it looks like I have to scratch build ones for my railroad. Scale is no problem.
IHC sells a 2-6-0 that is a model of an O&W U-1 class 2-6-0.
"Locomotives of the Reading and Philadelphia and Reading" by Wisswesser has tons of pictures and diagrams of camelbacks. Also check with the Reading Company Technical and Hisotical Society.
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
Mantua 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Reading, Southern, Rio Grande, ATSF, and undecorated. I may just get one to have on my rail marine roster.
Hi "O&W,"
See the Model Railroader Cyclopedia, Volume 1, Steam Locomotives, available on this Web site. It includes drawings of three Camelback locomotives, a Reading 0-6-0 and 2-8-0, and a Central of New Jersey 4-6-0. Model Railroader has published other drawings of Camelback locomotives; see the online index of magazines at the bottom of this page.
Have a great weekend,
Andy
Andy Sperandeo MODEL RAILROADER Magazine
MILW-RODR Mantua 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Reading, Southern, Rio Grande, ATSF, and undecorated. I may just get one to have on my rail marine roster.
I'm not aware the DRGW, ATSF, or Southern railroads had 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Am I ignorant?
Mark
markpierceMILW-RODR Mantua 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Reading, Southern, Rio Grande, ATSF, and undecorated. I may just get one to have on my rail marine roster. I'm not aware the DRGW, ATSF, or Southern railroads had 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Am I ignorant? Mark
No, the Southern one is a fake. Real Southern Camelbacks are painted green.
Enjoy
Paul
IRONROOSTER markpierce MILW-RODR Mantua 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Reading, Southern, Rio Grande, ATSF, and undecorated. I may just get one to have on my rail marine roster. I'm not aware the DRGW, ATSF, or Southern railroads had 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Am I ignorant? Mark No, the Southern one is a fake. Real Southern Camelbacks are painted green. Enjoy Paul
markpierce MILW-RODR Mantua 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Reading, Southern, Rio Grande, ATSF, and undecorated. I may just get one to have on my rail marine roster. I'm not aware the DRGW, ATSF, or Southern railroads had 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Am I ignorant? Mark
Yah, and the Rio Grande ones all had front-hung air pumps on the smokebox door and 'eyebrow' Elesco feedwater heaters.
Tom
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!
twhite Yah, and the Rio Grande ones all had front-hung air pumps on the smokebox door and 'eyebrow' Elesco feedwater heaters. Tom
Yeah! I surely would like to see that, especially something in the 0-6-6-0 persuasion! (or am I confusing that with an 0-8-8-0 Camelback?).
markpierce twhite Yah, and the Rio Grande ones all had front-hung air pumps on the smokebox door and 'eyebrow' Elesco feedwater heaters. Tom Yeah! I surely would like to see that, especially something in the 0-6-6-0 persuasion! (or am I confusing that with an 0-8-8-0 Camelback?).
Yes, I was confusing it with an 0-8-8-0. Erie's L-1 class locomotive was the only articulated Camelback locomotive.
Thanks for the leads
The IHC is out of 2-6-0 camelbacks that is what started this search
The 0-6-0 is a copy of the Reading's although stylized. But , thanks for the info.
Thank you for the lead
To my knowledge, this is the first Camelback. Many at the time, 1850, called it a Camel. Note the "hump".
Rich
If you ever fall over in public, pick yourself up and say “sorry it’s been a while since I inhabited a body.” And just walk away.
It is a "camel" but not a "camelback". Two different designs.
The first camelback was the P&R 412, a conventional cab, Wooten firebox 4-6-0. It went on a demonstration tour of Italy, but was too tall to fit through the tunnels. So the engineer cut the cab off the back of the firebox top and mounted it over the boiler.
Holton's history of the Reading has a portion of a chapter devoted to it.
dehusmanIt is a "camel" but not a "camelback". Two different designs. The first camelback was the P&R 412, a conventional cab, Wooten firebox 4-6-0. It went on a demonstration tour of Italy, but was too tall to fit through the tunnels. So the engineer cut the cab off the back of the firebox top and mounted it over the boiler. Holton's history of the Reading has a portion of a chapter devoted to it.
Yes, I know that but there are people who do use the Camelback terminology for the Winans Camel that is why I mentioned it. I have a lot of data concerning the Camel as it is a loco that has interested me for some time.
I hate to say it for all the ebay haters but they do come up fairly often. I got a never used one at a very good price. Runs nice and smooth and very slow if need be. Only problem I have with it is that I have not been able to get it opened up to put a decoder in it. I like it but I think I might sell it at some point and buy a shay instead.
Good luck
alco's forever!!!!! Majoring in HO scale Minorig in O scale:)
MILW-RODRMantua 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Reading, Southern, Rio Grande, ATSF, and undecorated. I may just get one to have on my rail marine roster.
BiL Marsland (P5se Camelback) Lehigh Susquehanna & Western Northeastern Pennsylvania Coal Hauler All Camelback Steam Roster!! "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" -- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Chpt. 10
P5se Camelback ... To the best of my knowledge, the only road in the western part of the country that had Camelbacks would be the UP, which had one or two small Camelback Americans built by Rogers in the late 1800's. .
... To the best of my knowledge, the only road in the western part of the country that had Camelbacks would be the UP, which had one or two small Camelback Americans built by Rogers in the late 1800's. .
The Southern Pacific Railroad had one Camelback, a 4-6-0 purchased soon after 1900. Within a short time, it was rebuilt as a conventional cab-in-the-back locomotive.
The CNR, too, owned a Camelback 2-8-0, although for only a short period of time. Acquired in 1929 as part of the Quebec Montreal & Southern, it was scrapped in 1930. (The QM&S was part of the D&H's line on the south shore of the St. Lawrence River.)
Wayne
twhite IRONROOSTER markpierce MILW-RODR Mantua 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Reading, Southern, Rio Grande, ATSF, and undecorated. I may just get one to have on my rail marine roster. I'm not aware the DRGW, ATSF, or Southern railroads had 0-6-0 Camelbacks. Am I ignorant? Mark No, the Southern one is a fake. Real Southern Camelbacks are painted green. Enjoy Paul Yah, and the Rio Grande ones all had front-hung air pumps on the smokebox door and 'eyebrow' Elesco feedwater heaters. Tom
Just for the record, the Santa Fe DID have a for real camelback. A 4-4-2 #738, built in 1889, the 2nd 4-4-2 ever built according to Worley (photo on p 233). The Santa Fe didn't like it for a number of reasons, and by 1892 it was rebuilt to a conventional cab 4-4-0.
Phil
Timber Head Eastern Railroad "THE Railroad Through the Sierras"
Here are some of the camelback plans that have appeared in model train mags:
Erie camelback articulated, (0-8-8-0, L-1, simplistic plans), RMC February 1955, p. 22 Photo at: http://www.mrmuffinstrains.com/TrainPictures/Prototype%20Erie2601.jpg
Reading camelback 2-8-0 Class I8sa, Baldwin 1905, MR June 1972, p. 56
Reading 0-4-0 switcher, A4a (4 wheel tender) and A4b (8 wheel tender), MR July 1974, p. 56
Photo – A5 0-4-0 http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-s1159o.jpg
Lehigh Valley’s 2-8-2 Camelbacks, plans and photos, MR, February, 1979, p. 89
Reading Camelback Americans, Class D-8c, circa 1911, MR, December 1982, p. 102.
Lehigh Valley Camelback Pacific and Mikado, (simple add-ons to Mantua camelbacks), MR, August 1984, p. 68
Reading RR Atlantics, (circa 1905), MR, February 1988, p. 89
Philadelphia & Reading 4-4-0 of the 1890s, info and plans, MR, April 1992, p. 93
Jim
The Wheeling & Lake Erie had three Camelback locos. They were eventually converted to "normal" cab in the rear engines.
A long time ago, I purchased some drawings of camels from the Reading Historical Society. It had to have been 25-30 years ago; I don't know if they still have them or not.
dlm