so far. the pile of grapgpaper rectangles are the orfan industries in scale form with track locations.
Shane
A pessimist sees a dark tunnel
An optimist sees the light at the end of the tunnel
A realist sees a frieght train
An engineer sees three idiots standing on the tracks stairing blankly in space
As design goes on, I have found a home in the new one for two good size pieces of the current one. The rest goes, unless the farmers coop finds a home. Most of the upper level is done acept for one stretch along the window wall. The lower i was going to wait on since I figured, staging, engine facility aand yard were there. But that blank area on the upper that i was thinking urban industrial got me thinking about the seven orfan buildings off the current layout. Wnat to find them a home. That forced me think of designing the lower to see wht I have. Thats where it sits. Now I am looking for pics of urban industrial areas to study trackage ind industry layout. Looking at old 30's and 40's pics to see what was. This layout is contmporary, so alot of "what once was" s being planned in. Should be very interesting with the locomotive facility.
Just ten cents from an amateur, one advantage of an around the wall layout is the ability to have storage cabinets (I use old Bureaus) under. If hardwired, with dual recptacles on the sides of the cabinets, it makes electrical hookups very easy. Though not an admirer of peninsulars, this also holds true for them as well.
Bear, I appreciate your continued pursuit of possible designs for the OP's layout. It is a tough task to design a layout for someone else. Good job!
Rich
Alton Junction
Doughless think the locations and number of turnouts you have are more of a suggestion/inspiration than a precise design. They seem to be very sharp and don't take up as much linear space as would be required. Just my eyeball opinion.
"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."
I think the locations and number of turnouts you have are more of a suggestion/inspiration than a precise design. They seem to be very sharp and don't take up as much linear space as would be required. Just my eyeball opinion.
- Douglas
I didn't see that thread Sheldon. just getting back online after many months of recovering.
sshane
Yes, I do realize that, and you are a good sport.
richhotrain Doughless And my apologies. I think I am responsible for being the first to type the words "lawn tractor" in this thread. BTW, I think I saw a pic somewhere of a finished ceiling in the new layout space. Alas, I am not without guilt. In responding to your comment, I was the first to mention GRAVELY. Rich
Doughless And my apologies. I think I am responsible for being the first to type the words "lawn tractor" in this thread. BTW, I think I saw a pic somewhere of a finished ceiling in the new layout space.
And my apologies. I think I am responsible for being the first to type the words "lawn tractor" in this thread.
BTW, I think I saw a pic somewhere of a finished ceiling in the new layout space.
Alas, I am not without guilt. In responding to your comment, I was the first to mention GRAVELY.
You do realize I took the bait just for fun?
Sheldon
NVSRR What is this about a finished ceiling in a layout space I am seeing1?
What is this about a finished ceiling in a layout space I am seeing1?
Are you asking me? Did you see my pictures in a different thread?
Yes, a finished ceiling in the basement for two reasons - less dust, better lighting.
The layout will fill nearly the whole basment.
richhotrain LOL. Sheldon, would you by chance have a photo of the underside of your Gravely? Rich
LOL.
Sheldon, would you by chance have a photo of the underside of your Gravely?
Really? How many do you want?
This one shows the drive shaft and lift system for the snow blower.
And for giggles the inside of the transmission:
richhotrain I was the first to mention GRAVELY.
Some people will never learn.
He's already got a new pic of it in front of the new house....
BTW, I think I saw a pic somewhere of a drop ceiling installed in the new layout space. It might be time he updated his layout build thread.
NVSRR Yeah Sheldon, my grandfather had farming implements that he used to til a quarter acre of the property. I still have the single disk narrow. And after that kind of use all these years later that cub is still turn key and almost factory new in that gear box. Surprised me when I tore it down to over haul it. There was nothing to fix. I do believe all the attachments for Gravelys are the same ones cub used since they had a three point as well. Ever here of wheelhouse machines? Supposedly the low budget line of Gravely i have to keep from getting carried away with the design. I could do an around the room. But to easy keep going" if I add a siding here". Originally I had thought of that years ago. Ore like the PRR corridor sort of thing. I decided to make Ben work on the other layout instead of other stuff shane
Yeah Sheldon, my grandfather had farming implements that he used to til a quarter acre of the property. I still have the single disk narrow. And after that kind of use all these years later that cub is still turn key and almost factory new in that gear box. Surprised me when I tore it down to over haul it. There was nothing to fix. I do believe all the attachments for Gravelys are the same ones cub used since they had a three point as well. Ever here of wheelhouse machines? Supposedly the low budget line of Gravely
i have to keep from getting carried away with the design. I could do an around the room. But to easy keep going" if I add a siding here". Originally I had thought of that years ago. Ore like the PRR corridor sort of thing. I decided to make Ben work on the other layout instead of other stuff
shane
Are you talking about a rear three pont hitch? GRAVELY only made one tractor like that and only made it for few years.
While the looks changed and the features expanded, from 1971 to 2002 GRAVELY built the rear engine, gear drive tractor in my picture, all using the same transaxle design.
It is a gear drive tractor with 8 forward ground speeds, and instant forward/reverse by virtue of separate clutches for forward and reverse.
It shares no attachments with other brands, and Wheelhorse was a totally separate company.
A few pictures:
A good view of how the engine bolts directly to the transaxle, the silver/black disc is the reverse clutch, a similar forward clutch is on the other side.
The 200 lb 50" mower deck is driven by an automotive grade drive shaft, not by belts. There is a belt on the deck to drive the blades. It has a wet disc PTO clutch inside the transmission which is geared directly to the engine.
The 48" snowblower is also all gear/driveshaft driven, no belts.
Mine has optional individual rear wheel "steering brakes" like full sized tractors.
I repowered the tractor two years ago, rather than doing a valve job on the 25 year old Kohler 18 hp, flat head opposed twin M18. The new engine is an overhead valve Kohler CH730, 23.5 hp V twin.
Other products made by their parent company Ariens have been sold branded with the GRAVELY name, but this gear drive rear engine machine, and the original two wheel walk behind tractor, remained their core products thru the 1990's.
They did make other attachments, rear tiller, front rotary plow, front cultivator, several out front mower decks, a larger mid mount deck, mid mount grader blade and more. I'm not a gardener, so I don't have any of the tillers, etc.
In the 1980's GRAVELY led the pack in the development of out front commercial mowers and zero turn technology.
Today they are considered one of the best zero turn commercial mower on the market. They no longer make riding garden tractors, but they still provide considerable parts support to these 20 -50 year old machines.
NVSRR I have no pas through issu since ity is a seperate building. I did relook and remeasure and realized any penisula coming off the 21 foot wall could reach 16 feet matching the depth of the current layout. The existing layout goes 6 feet past the windows. My cub is 52 years old. just rebuilt it and found only the 50 year old seals needed attention. Shane
I have no pas through issu since ity is a seperate building.
I did relook and remeasure and realized any penisula coming off the 21 foot wall could reach 16 feet matching the depth of the current layout. The existing layout goes 6 feet past the windows.
My cub is 52 years old. just rebuilt it and found only the 50 year old seals needed attention.
If its just you occupying that separate building, I would think about an around the walls design. (It wouldn't have to be a complete loop if you didn't want a duckunder at the door). If you plan a layout height of about 48 inches (and that may be too high for you), a twelve inch deep shelf in the dual purpose areas would not be intrusive at all, but could hold 4 tracks for something like staging.
That is a real Cub, and they are great machines.
We only had 1 acre at the old house, but had 7000 sq feet of driveway to clear in winter.
Now we have a smaller driveway, at least until I build a second garage, but we have 2.3 acres to cut, and a dozen large trees.
The rear engine GRAVELY rider is a unique all gear drive machine with a long list of attachments and surprising ablity for its size.
richhotrain Doughless My current main layout room is in a walkout basement, shaped 29 x 13, but it has doors in three of the four four corners...a true pass through to other spaces like a furnace room and lawn tractor garage. Lawn tractor? Is it a Gravely? Rich
Doughless My current main layout room is in a walkout basement, shaped 29 x 13, but it has doors in three of the four four corners...a true pass through to other spaces like a furnace room and lawn tractor garage.
My current main layout room is in a walkout basement, shaped 29 x 13, but it has doors in three of the four four corners...a true pass through to other spaces like a furnace room and lawn tractor garage.
Lawn tractor? Is it a Gravely?
It was a Cub Cadet that came with the house, but the lawn isn't that big so I sold it. Now the garage holds an EZ GO, which is not a lawn tractor.
And people walk through the train room all of the time. An around the whole room layout is not an option.
NVSRR Gravelys are nice. didnt think they made a lawn tractor quite as small as a lawn. Cannt see the links to the layout. Mr tells me i have seen to many articles. which is wierd cause I havent see any so far this year. Some good ideas with interesting tidbits
Gravelys are nice. didnt think they made a lawn tractor quite as small as a lawn.
Cannt see the links to the layout. Mr tells me i have seen to many articles. which is wierd cause I havent see any so far this year.
Some good ideas with interesting tidbits
Here is a picture of my GRAVELY in one of its many modes - this one, spring and fall cleanup mode.
This one is 26 years young, quite sure it will last me the rest of my life.
PennsyLou snjroy Lou Sassi's layout fits in a room 21 X 23. Is that not correct? Simon Indeed, however the OP has stated that half the available space (10.5') is allocated to other uses. So 21' x 10.5' is what is available for the layout.
snjroy Lou Sassi's layout fits in a room 21 X 23. Is that not correct? Simon
Lou Sassi's layout fits in a room 21 X 23. Is that not correct?
Simon
From the recent drawing, it appears that the open space is being used for train related things, like a workshop, etc. That's different than truly being public space or a pass through room . (My current main layout room is in a walkout basement, shaped 29 x 13, but it has doors in three of the four four corners...a true pass through to other spaces like a furnace room and lawn tractor garage).
OP could run a shallow shelf along the wall and over the work shop equipment. Used for staging or possibly a loop for turning trains depending upon accessibility.
Here are two other options for continuous running:
https://www.trains.com/mrr/how-to/track-plan-database/one-room-two-track-plans/
I like the one on the right. And plenty of room to add things as these plans are 9 X 15.
Ah, sorry folks, I guess I need a picture like others have suggested.