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Rivirosse coupler replacement

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Rivirosse coupler replacement
Posted by mreagant on Friday, August 6, 2021 7:31 PM

Ok, I can't spell, but I need to replace a  taglo truck horn hook coupler with a more prototypical on. Length from coupler to mounting pin is just short of 1 inch. I've searched for it and nothing I've found is even close. Anyone have a suggestion?

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, August 6, 2021 7:42 PM

I think the numbers have changed since I've bought any but the McHenry is a good knuckle replacement for Rivarossi HO couplers:

https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/brands/McHenry-Couplers.html

The Heavyweight baggage and RPOs use the shortest, HW Pullman, coach and diner next length and the four-wheel smooth-side or corrugated the longest (MCH-52 IIRC).

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, August 6, 2021 8:02 PM

McHenry couplers were interchangeable with Rivarossi.  Horizon Hobbies bought out McHenry.  Check out Athearn Couplers.

http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=couplers





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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, August 7, 2021 9:35 AM

mreagant
I need to replace a  taglo truck horn hook coupler with a more prototypical on.

So far, I have kept the Horn-Hook couplers on my Rivarossi passenger cars. I have two sets, one heavyweight and one smooth-side streamliners.

Neither set is painted yet.

I have cut the bottom half of the uncoupling trip pin off the couplers. This horn-hook coupler is naturally resistant to vertical seperation uncoupling, which can be a problem with long cars.

I do not "operate" passenger trains. They don't get switched around, and they do not get pushed backwards. So far, just running around in long curvy loops, the stock coupler has worked well on these models.

I think I will eventually install Precision Scale dummy couplers on the rear of the observation cars. I will put Kadee #451 swing couplers on the front head-end cars so I can swap out locomotives.

The diaphragms should do a good job of hiding the ugly couplers. That is another project.

Unless I run into problems, the stock horn-hook couplers will stay.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Saturday, August 7, 2021 9:43 AM

I have about a dozen cars with McHenry snap in couplers, some over twenty years and never had to replace any.  They mate up with Kadee couplers nicely.


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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, August 7, 2021 5:59 PM

I have a set of 4 Rivarossi passenger cars.  They came with large knuckle couplers, body mounted in a swing box.  I replaced them with the scale-sized Kadees #58s.

They worked, but poorly.  I suspect that the thinner coupler shank on the #58s were too thin for the swing boxes.  They all sagged and occasionally disconnected.  I think I will replace them with the slightly thicker #5s.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:08 AM

MisterBeasley
They came with large knuckle couplers, body mounted in a swing box.

I have not seen this coupler design.

I did a quick search. It looks like this was the design used on 60 foot cars made by Rivarossi. Is this accurate?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, August 8, 2021 11:11 AM

MisterBeasley
I replaced them with the scale-sized Kadees #58s.

Did you have any problems with coupler seperation using "scale head" couplers?

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:47 PM

SeeYou190
I have not seen this coupler design.

For a while Rivarossi offered, IIRC, four cars in this line, baggage, RPO, combine and a coach. Amazing similarity to the Walthers setup. No surprise there. I'll bet Hornby does the manufacturing for the Walthers Proto passenger cars.

 IMG_8034_fix by Edmund, on Flickr

 IMG_8037 by Edmund, on Flickr

Of course, these are not the original Rivarossi, made in Italy, line that the OP is asking about.

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by mreagant on Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:22 PM

Great summary of the problem. it's unlikely I will operate with these cars, so obviously the solution is not to make work ( I've got lots of other projects) but to modify the horn hook original couplers so they look more prototypical. They'll sit on a holding track track in Dallas Union Terminal and just look interesting.

Thanks guys. I'm glad to have some common sense folks to put me back on track when I over think stuff during my'planning' time. That's between 4 and 6 in the morning. Very productive, but leaves a list of things to do that gets longer every day.

Not a bad problem to have.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:39 PM

mreagant
obviously the solution is not to make work

I need to work on that. Some of my projects result in a lot of work and not much benefit.

Back when I was working, broke, and raising kids it was good to have "busy work" that did not cost much.

Now I am none of those things, I need to build a railroad!

-Kevin

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, August 12, 2021 10:19 AM

Replacing the horn-hooks with the McHenry couplers takes about 30 seconds. You pull out the horn hooks and snap in the McHenry.

BTW this is only for the old 1960s-90s AHM/Rivarossi 'made in Italy' cars, the much later Rivarossi / Hornby / Walthers 60' 'made in China' cars came with the coupler set-up shown in Ed's earlier post above.

Stix

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