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RE-Building The CB&Q in Wyoming

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, May 4, 2019 5:35 PM

Hi Mark!

Great progress!

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:55 PM

Thanks Dave!

7 May 2019

I've got subroadbed down all the way to Shobon now (the wide block in the foreground - Shobon is just a turnout on the mainline to route CNW trains to Lander), and roadbed in place for most of it:

I need to build a few turnouts to proceed further with tracklaying, though. That's on the agenda for tomorrow, unless non-hobby requirements intervene. About 2/3 of the way down the roadbed you can see a switch block. This is where the switch for Power River is planned. Powder River is just a simple spur to some stock pens. Here's the real ones as of twenty four years ago:

I've also added a "new" covered hopper to the layout. Here it is next to one its straight-out-of-the-box brothers for comparison:

Can you guess which is which?

This and its companions will be used for hauling Bentonite or Natron. It's brothers will be appropriately weathered and receive sprung trucks before they join it on the layout. (Hopefully my weathering efforts will improve over time).

In theory, the car has been knocking around the mines and refining plants in and around Wyoming for several years. Some day an agent from the Pennsylvania RR is going to come knocking and demand their cars be routed back to their territory!

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 4:28 AM

Pruitt
Some day an agent from the Pennsylvania RR is going to come knocking and demand their cars be routed back to their territory!

An agent for Jesse S. Morie and Son of Mauricetown, New Jersey, more like! Smile, Wink & Grin (I see that they had two (?) sand mines and a processing plant).
 
I presume both cars are offerings from Bowser, and the left hand one is the newest.
 
I’m not sure what weathering process you’re using Mark, I’ve tried various, including acrylic based washes, which are OKish at three feet (??) but, to my mind, don’t stand close scrutiny. Doctorwayne has posted that a drop of dish washing detergent in the mix helps the wash flow, but I’ve yet to try it.  
 
I’m enjoying following this build, thanks for sharing, Mark.
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by Pruitt on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:38 AM

JaBear,

Thanks for the comments. I'll try the dishwasing liquid next time.

The car is one of a four-car set. They were a special run for the NJ Division of the NMRA a few years ago. Yes, they are Bowser.

I'm not generally a fan of RTR freight cars because of the price, but I have to say the detail on these cars is excellent - on a par with brass freight cars I've seen in the past.

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Posted by Pruitt on Sunday, May 12, 2019 7:06 AM

12 May 2019

More progress on the Shobon Peninsula, mostly around the Powder River area.

The Powder River siding roadbed has been laid, and in this shot the siding ramp has been placed. It consists of 20 layers of 1/4" masking tape to bring it down from the mainline to the siding level:

And here's the siding on the ramp itself. The siding is code 70 and the mainline is code 83:

Here's a view looking from the switch down the siding. I sure like the way that siding drops down from the mainline. To the left of the siding will be the stock pens. They're sized for loading a maximum of six cars at once.

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:12 AM

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I sure like the way that siding drops down from the mainline. 

So do I!

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:49 PM

Thanks Dave. Sometime in the next decade or two there might be some scenery to go with it!

18 May 2019

Subroadbed work has been continuing.

I've progressed past Shobon and into the Wind River Canyon. This view is looking from Powder River out to the Canyon. The subroadbed on the left goes into the canyon. The one branching to the right will disappear behind the foothills of the canyon, and is the CNW line to Lander:

This is looking from the canyon back towards Shobon and Powder River:

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, May 18, 2019 10:34 PM

Hey Presto by Bear, on Flickr

Smile

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:11 AM

Pruitt
Sometime in the next decade or two there might be some scenery to go with it!

I'd say that given the speed of your progress so far we won't have to wait 10 years to see some scenery. I base that partly on the situation with our club. Six months ago we were talking about it being 18 months or two years before we would be starting scenery. Guess what? It has already started! In fact, we have already torn out some of our initial scenery base because it just wasn't going to do what we wanted. In addition to that, we have pretty much decided how to do the large areas in the center of the peninsula. Six months ago we only had some very fuzzy ideas as to how to proceed.

Cheers!!

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, May 24, 2019 6:25 AM

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dave. I've made some pretty decent progress laying track this past month, and am ready to install a backdrop on the Powder River / Shobon peninsula. After that I'll be creating some scenery base in the area.

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, May 24, 2019 6:27 AM

24 May 2019

Happy birthday to my CB&Q in Wyoming layout! 

It's been one year since I started construction. To celebrate, I made this video chronicling the journey.

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Posted by selector on Friday, May 24, 2019 1:10 PM

Congratulations, Mark, on a full year with amazing progress...vision...and skill!!

I don't say much, but if you ever wonder what I'm doing, I don't miss your updates.  My wish, and hope, is that you continue to enjoy yourself, and the same amazing results, until the day you deem your effort done.

-Crandell

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, May 24, 2019 10:30 PM

Hi Mark,

Great video, and I did watch it until the end.

You have done a considerable amount of work in one year! Congratulations!!

I am really looking forward to seeing you develop the scenery.

Cheers!!

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:03 PM

Thanks Crandell! This layout won't be finished before I am, so I'll never deem it complete!

Thanks Dave! Do you remember the part about scenicking the end of Casper yard? Maybe you shouldn't be looking forward to the scenery all that much... Confused

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, May 27, 2019 11:31 PM

Pruitt
Thanks Dave! Do you remember the part about scenicking the end of Casper yard? Maybe you shouldn't be looking forward to the scenery all that much...

"Practise makes perfect!"

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, May 31, 2019 5:31 PM

31 May 2019

I started adding supports for the Powder River backdrop:

Then I clamped a section of the backdrop in place to see how it would look:

I also laid the first piece of track on the CNW Lander branch. This is code 70, as all visible track on this branch will be. I'm playing around with the idea of laying some code 55 track in Lander itself.

I also extended my convienience outlets (for my Dremel, soldering iron and so forth) along the Powder River, Shobon and Wind River Canyon parts of the layout. NOTE: If you don't know what you're doing with household AC power, don't do this! 120VAC can kill!! 

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, June 1, 2019 5:54 AM

Pruitt

 

I also extended my convienience outlets (for my Dremel, soldering iron and so forth) along the Powder River, Shobon and Wind River Canyon parts of the layout. NOTE: If you don't know what you're doing with household AC power, don't do this! 120VAC can kill!!  

Mark, you raise an excellent point about exposed household wiring. Up here in the Chicago area, it would be a code violation to install plastic cable (Romex). I would love to do what you did, but it would require the the installation of metal conduit to meet code. Metal conduit is a lot safer but also a lot harder to install. especially where it bends around corners.

Rich

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Posted by Pruitt on Saturday, June 1, 2019 9:00 AM

Rich,

You're right. It's a violation of the basic NEC (National Electric Code), meaning it's illegal everywhere in the US for permanent wiring installations. Since my layout power is plugged into a wall outlet in the basement, it isn't considered a permanent installation any more than an electric lamp is. So it isn't a code violation. It's also switched off most of the time.

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Posted by Pruitt on Monday, June 3, 2019 4:58 AM

3 June 2019

My latest construction video is now up:

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, June 3, 2019 11:40 PM

More great progress Mark! Thank you for taking the time to produce the very interesting videos.

Dave

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:18 AM

Moving along nicely Mark! Yes  The room is filling up!  I like the white ceiling and the lighting, it seems to light up the room nicely.

Mike.

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Posted by Pruitt on Saturday, June 15, 2019 10:53 AM

Thanks Dave and Mike!

15 June 2019

I've mostly been doing non-photogenic stuff the last few weeks - installing ceiling in the train room and building turnouts for the Orin / Frannie yard. But I've also been working on the Powder River / Shobon and Greybull (back side) backdrops. Here's where I was with them on June 1st:

Since then I cut several new sheets of styrene to width, installed them, and joined them to the first piece behind Powder River. They're now painted. This is the Powder River side:

And here's the Greybull side:

Early in the month I also put a new sound decoder kit in one of my Life-Like Heritage 0-8-0 switchers. This was a first run loco with no tender power pick-up. It struggled with stalls even on my #6 yard ladder switches. Ran much better after I added the new decoder with a keep-alive circuit - TCS kit # WSK-WAL-1, which is made especially to fit these 0-8-0 and 0-6-0 locos. Here's a video of the before and after:

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, June 15, 2019 3:13 PM

A very nice video Mark! The change is very significant! Did you add tender pickups when you switched out decoders?

Nice to see the progress on the backdrop!

Regards, Isaac

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Posted by Pruitt on Saturday, June 15, 2019 5:08 PM

Hi Issac,

No, I didn't add any new pick-ups. With the keep-alive, there was no need. 

I also have a newer 0-8-0 with the tender pick-ups, and a couple of 0-6-0 (they were ALL made with the tender pick-ups). None of them has any sort of problem with stalling. But I like the new sound so much, I may upgrade them over the next year or so!

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, June 21, 2019 11:10 AM

21 June 2019

This past week I've been back working on the Orin end of the Orin / Frannie Interchange Yard, which I'd left in early May to work on other parts of the layout.

First I installed the ramp from the mainline into the yard ladder:

Then I installed the first ladder turnout. The elevation transitions right through the turnout. I have never had any issues doing this. Also, the rail transitions from code 83 at the end of the mainline turnout to code 70 in the ladder turnouts and all body tracks:

And I was off to the races! After a few days' work, yesterday I installed the first section of track on the last body track:

And this morning I finished installing feeders. A short while later I cleaned the rails and tested the track and turnouts with a loco and a few cars, including my John Allen track cleaning car to wipe dust off of unused rails on the run up to Orin:

Here's a trackside view of the Orin yard throat:

Obviously the tracks will get longer at some point. But all track is now finished in the Orin throat area and Powder River, so as soon as missing ties are replaced and tracks are painted, scenery can commence in this area! I hope it turns out better than my efforts at the end of Casper yard did!

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Posted by carl425 on Friday, June 21, 2019 1:29 PM

Nice turnouts, Mark!

I know you've been using the Fast Tracks all along, but these are the first photos that made me take notice.

I've never been a big fan of those ground throws though.  An HO scale brakeman operating one would look like he's flipping over a refrigerator.

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Posted by Pruitt on Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:31 AM

Thanks Carl!

I know what you mean about the ground throws - for appearance I much prefer the tall stands. But these (Caboose Industries 202S) are much more robust (not mention easier to install) than the tall ones, and since I don't use remote controlled turnouts except in the hidden staging yards, they're the compromise I've decided to make.

25 June 2019

The last few days I've been installing fascia at the "bottom" of the Casper / Powder River aisleway:

And doing my favoritest of all layout building tasks - installing replacement ties at track section ends (ugh!). It does make quite a difference in appearance, though - here the before and after shots of the Orin yard throat:

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 1:40 AM

Fascia looks good Mark!

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 4:54 AM

Pruitt

Thanks Carl!

I know what you mean about the ground throws - for appearance I much prefer the tall stands. But these (Caboose Industries 202S) are much more robust (not mention easier to install) than the tall ones, and since I don't use remote controlled turnouts except in the hidden staging yards, they're the compromise I've decided to make.

I think that those ground throws look just fine, Mark. On my last layout, I used them extensively in my yards and sidings and spur tracks. At one time, I tried the Caboose Industries hi-stands, but they are hard to build and install and they do not perform reliably over time.

On my new layout, I have almost entirely eliminated the manual ground throws by moving to Peco spring loaded turnouts. A flick of the finger throws the point rails.

In my downtown passenger station, I rely on Tortoise-controlled Atlas turnouts operated by toggle switches on a control panel. However, when I first installed the turnouts, for testing purposes, I drilled two small holes next to each throwbar on the Atlas turnouts. I used a track nail to hold the point rails in the staright through or divergent route by moving the nail from one hole to another. Worked like a charm and no need for manual ground throws. I did that because I did not have room on the station ladder for installing ground throws.

Anyhow, I think that your manual ground throws look just fine.

Rich

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:59 AM

Wow!  I would have thought the addition of the backdrop elements would signify a major advancement, but it wasn't until I saw the fascia images that I got my own 'gee whiz' moment.  They really do change the whole impression of where you are and what you are doing for me.

You're on a torrid pace, Mark! Stick out tongue

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