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Modelling a gypsum quarry in Nova Scotia, Canada - HO scale

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, June 11, 2017 4:58 AM

Quick update on the gypsum quarry. In order to remove the quarry from the workstation I built a temporary retaining wall around the perimeter using Lego bricks. Scenic Cement is not potent enough to fix all the quarry stone down so I made a stronger bonding solution using fast drying wood glue and water and sprayed the entire quarry last night. Everything is fairly solid this morning, however, I am going to apply another coat of adhesive today before removing the quarry.

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Posted by Carnegie Falls on Friday, June 9, 2017 2:46 PM

This is pretty cool news; sounds like a fun opportunity.

Modeling the fictional western Pennsylvania town of Carnegie Falls in freelance HO.
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Posted by JoeinPA on Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:53 PM

Sounds like you had as much fun as I did getting my old Delta bandsaw into my basement from my son's pickup. When we got done his comment was "Dad why don't you put your workshop in the garage?"

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, June 8, 2017 10:07 AM

JoeinPA

It sounds to me like a fun project that will let you be as creative as you want. Go for it and keep posting so that we can follow your progress.

Joe

Edit: So how did you get it out of the Jeep?

 

I will have fun and post every now and then. As for the removal from the Jeep, took as much packaging off as I could. Then removed all the lighter/ smaller pieces with my wife's help. Slid the 5-ft part with the motor onto a dolly, used wooden ramps to get into the house and to the top of the basement stairs and then the "fun" part.

We slid it down the stairs trying not to let gravity take over and finally got it to the bottom. When standing it up on the stair landing, I said lift but my wife heard push and I now have a bent finger - thought it was dislocated but my advanced osteo seemed to have held the knuckle joint together. It's on my guitar picking/strumming hand so I should still be able to perform tomorrow night.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:51 AM

It sounds to me like a fun project that will let you be as creative as you want. Go for it and keep posting so that we can follow your progress.

Joe

Edit: So how did you get it out of the Jeep?

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:58 AM

This forum was not used to advertise a business, in fact I don't have a business. The owner will help me out with travel to drive to Walton (gas), and she will buy the supplies that I need from the hobby shop. All my labour is free, I don't make a nickel (we don't have pennies in Canada any more). She will own everything I make and I get the joy and experience of making it at no cost to me. I will be working on the Walton lighthouse in HO first and I'll post progress from time to time in the prototype forum.

BTW my bandsaw arrived this week - never put one of these together before. Came with a video so that will be helpful. The box was so heavy that Busy Bee needed a forklift to put it in the back of my Jeep Cherokee.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 6:58 PM

DSchmitt
 
 
richhotrain
 

Better check with the forum administrator. If you are engaging in a commercial enterprise and getting paid for your efforts, it seems inappropriate to use this forum to promote such efforts.  

I can't see why his getting paid to create a "community model railroad" and posting about it should be a problem.  Some of the most knowledgable Forum members have model railroad related businesses.  They are also among the most forthcoming with information useful to the other members. 

Dunno, I'm not the forum administrator. That's why I suggested that he check with him.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:13 PM

richhotrain

 

 
OldSchoolScratchbuilder

Sorry about that! Getting paid to create a community model railroad is too exciting to turn down. This was the thread that did it. When I told the silo owner I was building the layout in my basement (she asked where) she said how about right here in my store. So, I'll be spending several days a week in the Watlon area. I'll post some of the modules here as they get built.

 

 

Better check with the forum administrator. If you are engaging in a commercial enterprise and getting paid for your efforts, it seems inappropriate to use this forum to promote such efforts. 

 

 

I can't see why his getting paid to create a "community model railroad" and posting about it should be a problem.  Some of the most knowledgable Forum members have model railroad related businesses.  They are also among the most forthcoming with information useful to the other members. 

While they do not actively promote their businesses, they can be found through links in their signatures.  The Forums would be poorer with out them. 

Also he will probably be so busy with that project there would be no time for other "jobs".

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

I don't have a leg to stand on.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:39 PM

OldSchoolScratchbuilder

Sorry about that! Getting paid to create a community model railroad is too exciting to turn down. This was the thread that did it. When I told the silo owner I was building the layout in my basement (she asked where) she said how about right here in my store. So, I'll be spending several days a week in the Watlon area. I'll post some of the modules here as they get built.

Better check with the forum administrator. If you are engaging in a commercial enterprise and getting paid for your efforts, it seems inappropriate to use this forum to promote such efforts. 

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:57 PM

mobilman44

What?   No layout?   This is the "layout section" of the Forum, isn't it?

Man, what a let down.   I was ready for something totally new and different and find out it ain't happening........

I'm too old for this kind of disappointment............

 

Sorry about that! Getting paid to create a community model railroad is too exciting to turn down. This was the thread that did it. When I told the silo owner I was building the layout in my basement (she asked where) she said how about right here in my store. So, I'll be spending several days a week in the Watlon area. I'll post some of the modules here as they get built.

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Posted by mobilman44 on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:08 PM

What?   No layout?   This is the "layout section" of the Forum, isn't it?

Man, what a let down.   I was ready for something totally new and different and find out it ain't happening........

I'm too old for this kind of disappointment............

ENJOY  !

 

Mobilman44

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:45 PM

OldSchoolScratchbuilder

My Cheverie Mountain layout is dead. 

I will not build a layout in my home.

ConfusedConfusedHuh?Hmm

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:14 PM

My last post on MR for awhile. happy model railroading to all!

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:58 AM

Walton manganese cave is known to locals but difficult to find anywhere in the literature. If you are claustrophobic, don't like the dark, fear big spiders (and many of them), then this cave might not be the first stop on your itinerary. Did I mention there is also a hike through thorny wild rose thickets, a swamp with blackflies and mosquitos, and tall grass teeming with ticks?

Manganese oxide is black and can be found as solid ore and surface coatings on other rock types.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:39 AM

This morning I was in Walton, NS collecting manganese ore and stopped into the variety store for icecream and coffee. The owner of the two barite silos saw this thread and offered me a commission to build my model railroad in Walton for locals and tourists to enjoy. I accepted.

My Cheverie Mountain layout is dead. Long live a new Walton layout, built in Walton, using raw materials from the Walton shoreline, quarries, mines, and forests. I will have access to a lot of private lands owned by local community folks I have met over the last two years.

So, I'll be wrapping up this thread today and planning a new project for Walton. I will not build a layout in my home but I will build modules and assemble them in Walton. Going to be awesome.

 

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:50 PM

Tuesday is 30% off for seniors at one of our community recycle stores so I bought a blender for $10CDN. Wife won't let me chop dry beach grass in our kitchen unit! Treated the chopped grass with glycerine and it's drying overnight. Hoping to use it as ground cover. Green dye was not as effective as hoped so I'll air brush some of it when dry.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:39 PM

Tough going today at the quarry. Several new pieces of Volvo equipment are being shipped this week to help out.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 3:29 PM

I pass this spot near Windsor about three times a week. Tourists are always struck by the spendour of these gypsum cliffs. I took this photo in August 2015.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 3:16 PM

Nice karst topography on your layout Rich. Looks like our St. Croix River valley near Windsor, NS.

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 1:48 PM

OldSchoolScratchbuilder

Underground caverns, pockets of clay, exactly how a karst terrain should look.   

For anyone not familiar with the term karst, karst topography is a landscape formed from the dissolution of soluble rocks such as limestone, dolomite, and gypsum, producing ridges, towers, fissures, and other characteristic landforms. It is characterized by underground streams and drainage systems with sinkholes and caves.

Karst topography usually forms in regions of plentiful rainfall where bedrock consists of carbonate-rich rock (e.g., limestone, gypsum, or dolomite) that is easily dissolved.

Below is a photo of a karst cliff. The second photo is a karst landscape in the Missouri Ozarks, the largest example of karst topography in the United States. My son lives in Missouri and has hiked in that area. The third photo is my attempt to feature a karst outcrop of limestone on my layout. Limestone karst topography can be found in the Joliet Illinois area just west of where I live.

Rich

 

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 10:34 AM

fender777
You need to weather your cats' their to clean looking.

Agreed. However, this is just a workstation mock-up where I am experimenting with techniques. When this quarry is finished it will be recycled for other projects just like the CN railbed at the bottom of this quarry. I've been taking hundreds of photos as I go. Eventually the vehicles will be modified to match their final quarries and mines.

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Posted by fender777 on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:31 AM
You need to weather your cats' their to clean looking.
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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:53 AM

Underground caverns, pockets of clay, exactly how a karst terrain should look. The quarry is taking shape according to the real layout. Be back this evening to see how the work has progressed.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:05 AM

Work at the quarry began at dawn today. HO scale vehicles are integrated into the work to ensure that roadways and tailing piles are to scale as much as possible. More vehicles are on order.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, June 5, 2017 6:41 PM

Pulling articles on old-school foliage, earth, and rock scenery from my collection. Examples include, (1) "Scenery and foliage texturing," William McKown, MR, Vol.41(9), September 1974, pp. 56-63 and (2) "Another look at lichen," William R. Koteles, MR, Vol.41(11), November 1974, pp. 86-87.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, June 5, 2017 6:30 PM

Enjoying a little RR time this evening pulling apart the reindeer lichen. What an amazing plant for model scenery! It's several days old now and seems to be quite stable after the alcohol, glycerine, and dye treatments. Wasn't sure I picked enough but when it's pulled apart there is plenty for my current needs.

 

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, June 5, 2017 5:15 AM

Red sandstone 'topsoil' from Cape Blomidon added and left loose. Scenic Cement sprayed on and will dry over the course of the day while I am at rehearsal. Next step will be to add the karst surface terrain typical of the underlying gypsum and limestone of the Windsor Group.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, June 4, 2017 6:26 PM

Will be away most of the week as I prepare to perform a solo concert Friday night downtown Halifax. Have a great week everyone.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, June 4, 2017 6:05 PM

First compression complete. Shepherd's pie.

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