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Easements
Posted by RayG8 on Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:10 PM

the values of "X" and "L" for easements leading onto a 36"radius curve?

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:32 PM

RayG8

the values of "X" and "L" for easements leading onto a 36"radius curve?

If do these - IIRC, L is the length of easement so L/2 = around 10 or 11 inches roughly for 36 inch curves.  My L/2 is about 9 inches (distance to the mid-point where the offset is) for my 32 inch curves.

My copy of John Armstrong book is at home so thats from memory.  I use L/2=9 inches for around 30 or 32 inch curves.  X is the offset, it should be approximately a half inch or a bit more, again per JA's table.  If someone has the book handy maybe they can offer the values.

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Posted by carl425 on Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:57 PM

riogrande5761
If someone has the book handy maybe they can offer the values.

Armstrong's table doesn't list 36" radius, but it's an easy extrapolation.

For 30" curves, X=1/2 and L=18

For 42" curves, X=5/8 and L=25

So for 36" curves, X=9/16 and L=21.5

Note that scale is not relevant in the table.

edit: Bear caught my mistake. 9/16"

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Posted by "JaBear" on Thursday, October 13, 2016 2:40 AM

I’d suggest that for a 36” radius curve that X= 9/16”, L= 21.5”.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:20 AM

My copy of Track Planning is somewhere in the basement and haven't looked at it since I finished laying out my curves.  (fixed the formula mistakes in my earlier post - memory is the first thing to go!)  JA's book was written back when 30-inch curves were considered broad, and 24-inch as conventional so the table doesn't really go higher - extrapolation is necessary but you can estimate it like Carl did. 

I am using 32-inch minimum curves and just tweaking the 9 inches to the center of the easement and 9 more to the end of the other side so if L is the total length, 18 inches is about right and a half inch for the offset.  As my wife would say, Geordie style. 

Since I use springy Atlas code 83, it naturally springs into the easement like the "bent stick" method so I don't need a bent stick.  Corks springs too for mainline.  All of my curves have easements including staging:



 

 

 

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Posted by hardcoalcase on Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:41 PM

I use the low-tech approach.  I run the (straight) tangent track to be 1/4" to 1/2" outside of the radius curve, then bend the cork to find its path between the two.  Bingo... instant easement!

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:07 PM

Jim, thats pretty much what I do, although I still approximate the distance of the easement using John Armstrongs measurements for length of easement based on the radius.  So low tech but based on the numbers still.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Monday, October 17, 2016 9:58 PM

Years ago there were some templates.  I don't recall where, but I printed them off and use those.  But really, if you use about 1/2" and 12 to 18" you shouldn't have any trouble unless closed coupled full length passenger cars with diaphragms are your thing.

I have found that when I set up HO sectional track with 15" radius, that 4-4-0  locomotives and 40 ft cars go aound it just fine.  For 24" in S scale 2-8-0's and 50 ft cars do just fine.  I'm not really interested in getting a Big Boy around 18" curves in HO, so I do easements more for the appearance than operational necessity and shorten them up if necessary to get the curve in.

What's really important is doing a good job laying the track so there are no kinks, bumps, etc.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:09 AM

riogrande5761
 
RayG8

the values of "X" and "L" for easements leading onto a 36"radius curve?

 

 

If do these - IIRC, L is the length of easement so L/2 = around 10 or 11 inches roughly for 36 inch curves.  My L/2 is about 9 inches (distance to the mid-point where the offset is) for my 32 inch curves.

My copy of John Armstrong book is at home so thats from memory.  I use L/2=9 inches for around 30 or 32 inch curves.  X is the offset, it should be approximately a half inch or a bit more, again per JA's table.  If someone has the book handy maybe they can offer the values.

 

What page is that chart on?  I looked at my 3rd edition and could only find X offset, no reference to L.

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