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Tortoise switch machines on DC Layout?

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Tortoise switch machines on DC Layout?
Posted by kasskaboose on Monday, February 29, 2016 2:00 PM

Can anyone pols help me decide whether to use under-the-table Tortoise switch machines or Caboose Industries above-ground ground throws on my Atlas turnouts on a 1980s layout?  I would like to eventuually use these switch machines, but sure whether cost and value are worth it.  There's no issue getting the wire through the 2"in foam to the proper hole.  How to secure the switch machine under the table. Duct tape?    

Thanks all! 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 29, 2016 3:19 PM

kasskaboose

Can anyone pols help me decide whether to use under-the-table Tortoise switch machines or Caboose Industries above-ground ground throws on my Atlas turnouts on a 1980s layout?  I would like to eventuually use these switch machines, but sure whether cost and value are worth it.  There's no issue getting the wire through the 2"in foam to the proper hole.  How to secure the switch machine under the table. Duct tape?    

Thanks all! 

I am unfamiliar with your benchwork design, could you describe it.  Do you have plywood under your foam?  If not you will have to install a board under your foam in the areas where you want the tortoise.  The tortoise is attached to the layout using panhead wood screws #4 or #6 should work just fine. 

Also, you will have to make your own throw rod for activating the turnout.  The throw rod is about 3" long, and the tortoise is about 2" from the moving part to the mounting plate on the bottom, which will not reach through your foam.  .032-.047 rod is about the correct diameter. http://www.hobbylinc.com/k-s-hobby-and-craft-metal-wire-and-metal-rods  I dont recommend buying a whole case.  You will probably only use 1-2 36in rods.  Hardware stores typically carry K&S products.  

Caboose Industries ground throws are easy to install, but they are not to scale (operatable ground throws cannot be to scale, due to our hands being 12"=1ft scale). 

 

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Posted by davidmurray on Monday, February 29, 2016 5:54 PM

IMO, one of the big advantages of a manual throw is that visiting engineers/crewmen, have n o problem determining which throw moves which turnout.  Contol by toggles, etc can become confusing.

On the other hand, long reachs or tight track work is better with electrical control.

Dave

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Posted by rrebell on Monday, February 29, 2016 11:26 PM

You can secure the machine to the foam with caulk, that is what some others have done, me, I use caboose ground throws.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:59 AM

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kasskaboose

Can anyone pols help me decide whether to use under-the-table Tortoise switch machines or Caboose Industries above-ground ground throws on my Atlas turnouts on a 1980s layout?  I would like to eventuually use these switch machines, but sure whether cost and value are worth it.  There's no issue getting the wire through the 2"in foam to the proper hole.  How to secure the switch machine under the table. Duct tape?    

Thanks all! 

 

 

I am unfamiliar with your benchwork design, could you describe it.  Do you have plywood under your foam?  If not you will have to install a board under your foam in the areas where you want the tortoise.  The tortoise is attached to the layout using panhead wood screws #4 or #6 should work just fine. 

Also, you will have to make your own throw rod for activating the turnout.  The throw rod is about 3" long, and the tortoise is about 2" from the moving part to the mounting plate on the bottom, which will not reach through your foam.  .032-.047 rod is about the correct diameter. http://www.hobbylinc.com/k-s-hobby-and-craft-metal-wire-and-metal-rods  I dont recommend buying a whole case.  You will probably only use 1-2 36in rods.  Hardware stores typically carry K&S products.  

Caboose Industries ground throws are easy to install, but they are not to scale (operatable ground throws cannot be to scale, due to our hands being 12"=1ft scale). 

 

 

Great replies all, including using alternatives to the included throw rod!!   

I have 2" foam that supports ME cork roadbed.  The benchwork has 1x4"s across the layout every 3 feet.  This provides plenty of space to feed wires through the foam without the wood interfering.

I meant to ask: how to use the Tortoise with Atlas selectors?  Wouldn't I need a switch to move the Tortoise arm and then use the Atlas selector to power the isolated track(s)?  

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Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:37 AM

kasskaboose
I meant to ask: how to use the Tortoise with Atlas selectors?  Wouldn't I need a switch to move the Tortoise arm and then use the Atlas selector to power the isolated track(s)?  

YES.....The selector only powers the track.

Take Care! Big Smile

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, March 2, 2016 8:52 PM

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