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Can anyone ID this bridge from Fresh Pond yard, NY?

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Can anyone ID this bridge from Fresh Pond yard, NY?
Posted by robkoz on Monday, November 11, 2013 11:58 AM

http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/csxtrestle.jpg

This bridge is at Fresh Pond rail yard in NY. What type of bridge is this and where can I find it for HO scale? From all the pics it's a double rail bridge. Thank you!

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Posted by chutton01 on Monday, November 11, 2013 3:59 PM

Well, you pretty much ID'ed it yourself as a Double Track Through Truss Bridge, of which there are several in the HO market, the most well-known being Walthers...HOWEVER, that bridge kit (and that of Atlas and Kato) are not "arched", but instead have a flat top profile - a closer match IMO would be the Walthers Double Track Swing Bridge (with some kitbashing to remove the control shed and modify the bottom girders, among other things of course). I think other firms make arched top chord truss bridges, but their offerings may be too rounded for your taste.

That bridge is taking the (freight main) line from Hell Gate Bridge down to Fresh Pond Junction, and was part of the NY Connecting RR back in the day (may still be called that).

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Posted by NittanyLion on Monday, November 11, 2013 4:20 PM

It's a Pennsylvania truss.  Shockingly, no one makes a kit of such a thing despite their being literally thousands of them all over the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, and Great Lakes regions.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, November 11, 2013 5:01 PM

In addition to the side view, Googling FRESH POND BRIDGE #35 will provide you with a square-to-the-end view, and there are plenty of clues to dimensions.

Time to lay in some plastic structural shapes, some flat plastic for gussets and some rivet transfers.  It looks to me like a very straightforward scratchbuilding project.

Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - lots of bridges, no Pennsylvania trusses)

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Posted by zstripe on Monday, November 11, 2013 6:28 PM

Robkoz,

This one looks very,similar,but it's only single track:

http://www.amazon.com/Code-Through-Truss-Bridge-Silver/dp/B000JHF8RE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_t_5

Maybe kit bash two?

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:15 PM

I don't know about recent availability but at one time traincat had a few truss bridges available. Might be worth a look? Check out the double track Parker Truss! Looks close to the type you seek.

http://www.traincat2.com/

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Posted by HObbyguy on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:40 PM

I've been looking at options for a really nice HO 2-track thru-truss bridge for months now, about 150-175 scale ft would be perfect.  Even willing to spend money for brass (well, maybe not silly money) since it will be the focal point of the next phase of my layout.  Plenty of 1-track bridges out there but options are extremely limited if looking for 2- tracks.

Traincat seems to be focusing on N scale.  I sent an email weeks ago to find out if he ever plans to tool up for the HO version of the truss bridge again since it is still shown on the Traincat and TexNrails websites.  I never got a response.

Best option I've found so far is here and the camelback design is similar to the bridge you are referring to.  Anyone out there build one of these or purchase anything from Micro-Scale?

http://micro-scale.com/product/ho-147-two-track-steel-truss-bridge-kit/

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:31 AM

Hobbyguy,

Did you happen to check out the thread,''Main Line Rework'' by Motley, General Discussions, he has a double track bridge, from Faller, I believe that is really good looking and they have a few more.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:00 AM

HObbyguy

I've been looking at options for a really nice HO 2-track thru-truss bridge for months now

What about the Walthers two-track truss bridge?

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3012

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Posted by HObbyguy on Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:51 AM

Motley's bridge is single track, and the Volmer double track bridge is much too short.  The Walthers bridge is also too short for my purpose- I really need at least 20" unsupported span.  And my skills at making anything plastic look very good are really lacking so I avoid plastic structures wherever possible. Though if I found a plastic kit that fit my needs and no other good options I would bite the bullet and dive in.

The Traincat 2-track bridge would have been about perfect.  I've been really hoping that it would pop up as being available again.  And the bridge in my link would work.  Just not so sure how easy it would be to make wood look like metal.

Oh well, not in a terrible rush just yet.  Still have months to go on the section I am working on before starting bench work for the next.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:07 AM

HObbyguy

Motley's bridge is single track, and the Volmer double track bridge is much too short.  The Walthers bridge is also too short for my purpose- I really need at least 20" unsupported span.  And my skills at making anything plastic look very good are really lacking so I avoid plastic structures wherever possible. Though if I found a plastic kit that fit my needs and no other good options I would bite the bullet and dive in.

 

I have two of the Walthers two-track truss bridges end-to-end, supported by a center pier.

If you need a 20" unsupported span, you could buy two of the Walthers kits and kitbash the 20" unsupported span.

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Posted by HObbyguy on Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:46 AM

Yes kit-bashing is always an option- I could also widen the 150' Central Valley kit to make it 2-track.  I kit-bashed my two small ME plate girder bridges to get them to the right length and fit the curves.  But even after reading all sorts of tips/hints on the net I really struggle with plastic and would hesitate to try doing this for something that will be a focal point.  Funny because I am very comfortable with stuff that others find difficult such as hand-carving plaster and scratch building with wood.  I guess we all have strengths and weaknesses.

Next plastic kit project that I do I am going to start a thread "how to build with plastic and paint/finish it so that it really looks good" Indifferent

Didn't mean to hijack the thread but hopefully Robkoz is finding the discussion useful.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:53 AM

In my experience, it is easier to lenghten the bridge than to convert a 1-track to 2-track.

I would encourage you to take a shot at lengthening the Walthers 2-track truss bridge.

A good jeweler's saw with extra fine blades will make seamless cuts, and paint will hide any imperfections.

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:09 AM

That would be my approach as well. Two Walthers 2-track truss bridge's,with the ends,cut off and butted,together. You could put some,Plastruct, I-BEAMS, under the deck,for added support.

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:30 PM

Check out this company. They have some very long spans.

http://www.luetke-modellbahn.de/shop/index.php?cPath=43_117

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:54 PM

Brent,

Nice bridge's, but he is looking for a arched truss bridge. Smile

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:08 PM

Whoops! I guess they don't have this one in HO anymore.

http://www.luetke-modellbahn.de/shop/popup_image.php?pID=465

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:18 PM

Brent,

Close, but no cupie doll. Bow

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Posted by HObbyguy on Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:07 PM

zstripe
Close, but no cupie doll

It took me a while to find it but that one looks pretty good.  Given the scale difference I should get 4 tracks across if I want and at 48" long I can reach halfway across that whole end of the layout.  And great specs (Bing translation):

Dimensions: 1210 x 159 x 337 mm, L x W x H.,.
2-colored Kit from coloured polystyrene plates, UV stabilized, precision CNC machined.
The kit contains a detailed, illustrated instructions and 2 pair of roller bearings.

Looks like a good solid German design too, CNC machined, and since its UV stabilized good for outdoor use.  Wonder what the roller bearings are for?
Got to give it to you, thought I had found them all but that link was a new one.  Geeked

OK, since everyone is on a roll- needs to be 16 to 24" long (120 to 175 scale ft), double-track HO scale, and yes a thru-track truss bridge that would look right in the northeast US in the middle of the 20th century.  Arch preferred but roller bearings are optional.

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:23 PM

HObbyguy
Wonder what the roller bearings are for?

Those would be for expansion...one end of bridge is fixed, other end moves.

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:50 PM

Hobbyguy,

It's not the type of Bridge,your looking for, but check out the length:

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/fal/fal120535.htm

That would make a great scene.

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Posted by HObbyguy on Friday, November 15, 2013 6:39 AM

Yeah that one would definitely give me the clearance that I need.  But might be a bit of a problem getting it to fit on the layout.

Here's one that I think would really look good and work well- if only it were about 5" shorter... and $2000 cheaper!

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, November 15, 2013 6:46 AM

If only !

Hobbyguy, buy two of those Walthers two-track truss bridges and kitbash them.

It ain't that big a deal.

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Posted by HObbyguy on Friday, November 15, 2013 6:57 AM

This has been fun, but like I said not in a rush yet.

But bottom line, double-track truss bridge options for HO scale really are limited for some reason.

I found the same problem for really nice coal mine kits.  Seems like there should be plenty of them out there but I searched around for a long while before finding that BTS had a couple designs that were direct order only.  Snatched one of those before it got away, even though the box will likely sit on the shelf for a year before I get to it.

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Posted by zstripe on Friday, November 15, 2013 7:03 AM

Rich,

Not yet! I think,he is having fun, finding Bridges. Laugh

Hobbyguy,

That sure is one,great looking bridge. If I was able to have one, I would not, even paint it. Yeah

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Posted by HObbyguy on Friday, November 15, 2013 7:54 AM

zstripe
Not yet! I think,he is having fun, finding Bridges.

You are getting me figured out.  Yes the hunt for the perfect, rare and sometimes one-of-a-kind part is always great fun.  This has been a challenging one, almost as tough as original mint 69 GTO fenders... oops, different hobby (but licked that challenge!)

I've learned to start the hunt early, and that persistence often pays off Big Smile

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Posted by robkoz on Friday, November 15, 2013 4:55 PM

Thanks for all the help guys. It's a shame no one has this bridge. I'll have to settle for something close.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, November 15, 2013 5:02 PM

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Posted by HObbyguy on Friday, November 15, 2013 11:18 PM

Robkoz, glad we didn't lose you.

There are quite a few good single-track options.  But from your initial post it sounded like you are also looking for double track bridge?    Agree its a shame especially since it is such a classic design.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:53 AM

Don't overestimate the complexity of a bridge like that.  Scratchbuilding one is more straightforward than you might think. 

Basically, make two of these:

Then tie the two sides together with beams at the various joints in the top and bottom.  There's the beams that the track rests on...and that's all.  Its a lot of triangles and rectangles.

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