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Free-moN Staging Yard - 16"x10'

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Free-moN Staging Yard - 16"x10'
Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Monday, April 23, 2012 5:57 PM

Had started posting some of this over on my "Shoofly" module construction thread, but then realized that there's going to be a whole bunch of photos & how-to's specific to staging yards & module construction (especially Free-moN), so thought our new staging yard module should get a thread of its own.

The story begins on April, Friday the 13th (duh duh duh...) when the Silicon Valley Free-moN group set up for a week-long show at the Hiller Aviation Museum. With four main modules, a large turnback loop, and many small 45 deg. fillers, we were able to get a decent mainline going, with trains of 10-16 cars running through some nifty scenery.

However, after operating Friday & Saturday we soon realized that, besides the turnback loop, Steve Williams' Lockhart, TX module was the only one with a passing siding, which soon became the passing / runaround / staging / terminus, as well as limiting us to about two trains at a time: one running out to the loop & back while the other loco did a runaround to get ready to leave when the first returned.

We needed staging, and another runaround, and we needed it bad.
Like an oreo needs milk bad.
And by the next weekend when the whole group would be there to run trains.

So Sunday, April 15, I looked at the sheets of wood in my garage and found two pieces of 16" x 4' 1/2" very nice ply (birch?) that my dad had used as center cross-supports when he built a queen-sized mattress box-frame for us when we moved back from Japan 10 years ago.

That determined the size of the yard sections (4' is perfect for transport), but using #7 turnouts limited the tracks to 7 in just 12" of space (using 1 1/2" centers). What to do with the other 4" of width? Ah, hah!



Free-moN module standards call for a minimum of 12" wide endplates (of 3/4" birch ply), so I centered the main at the 6" mark, offsetting the whole yard to one side. This left room for 1) a diesel service facility on one end and 2) a turntable for those of us who run steam and F-units. Later I realized I could squeeze in a MOW track for the wreck crane set I just got as well as a Machine Shop that could double as a programming track (something else we didn't have).

Using the two sections, that'd give us a 6'+ main, two 52" and two 30" staging tracks plus runarounds on each side.
Which would work fine as the passing siding on Steve's Lockhart, TX module is about 5'.

Still, it seemed a bit short to me (can you ever have enough staging?) so I designed a 12"x24" insert that curved 15 deg.
As it lines up with and extends the middle yard tracks, it can be inserted either way, bending the whole yard in either direction.
And the extra 2' means plenty of room for long trains!

So Sunday morning I went to the hardware store and got some 2'x4' 1/2" sanded ply handipanels, 1 1/2" sq fir for the legs, and bunches o' bolts n' washers. Also stopped by the LHS and got a bunch of Atlas C55 flex, but was heartbroken to find only 3 each of the L & R #7 turnouts! D'oh!

Usually I handlay turnouts, but since I had less than a week to get something built & operational, I went with Atlas. Luckily I found a few more #7s at a shop down in San Jose, so had just enough for a main, two staging & one runaround.

So Sunday, Monday and part of Tuesday, after appointments or being at the show, was all cutting (no tablesaw, only circular, chop & jig), gluing & screwing.
Was moving so fast I took only one "progress" shot:



That's my McGyver compass to get the 70+" radius of the insert (eyeballed it over a dot on the concrete)
By Wednesday it looked like this:



Thurday: finished track across gap & on insert



Friday: feeder wires, handles
Saturday...

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Monday, April 23, 2012 5:58 PM

Saturday: installed temp Caboose Ind. ground throws and buswire



And Sunday:



We ran trains, using our new staging yard!
Woot!

And here it is in action:

watch?v=txeqQms9Zjg&feature=plcp&context=C433f96bVDvjVQa1PpcFPo5FJc9Aov08UbbGiy6815n6vRlpl9Fg=

What was cool is that Steve's Lockhart, TX module, which use to be the end (though there was some single main after it), now became the "meet", so a train could go out to the loop while one entered staging and another left.
Nice long runs with long trains!

More important: both the Shoofly module and the staging yard fit in the back of my car with all their legs (and mine)!

So the show is over, but there's another one coming up (hopefully) in June, so I have time to finish the yard.

Installed the phone jacks at either end we use to connect the control buses between modules and UTP panels:



Good ol' Gorilla Glue keep's em rock solid.
Steve has a 6-pin crimper, so the wires are straight through.

Got more turnouts, so I installed the rest of the ladders on both sides:



Notice I don't run the track up to the edge: need to leave room for the track to "float" a little over the PC board ties (which are raised a little) but I explain all that in a video I should have edited tonight or tomorrow.

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Monday, April 23, 2012 5:59 PM

For the feeders I've been soldering the wire "L" bent under the rails / joiners:



Then I solder them to the buswires.
At first I tried suitcase connectors, but 22 gauge to 12 gauge doesn't work too well.
Luckily, I can just put the modules on their sides on my workbench. (yeay!)

When laying the track over the middle section, I first put a sheet of 0.020 styrene between the sections before clamping:



Even though I use a Ultra Thin Dedeco separating disc, the styrene makes sure that there's rail to file back flush with the endplate instead of wishing it'd grow a 1/32" to prevent a wheel-grabbing gap.

I thought of this trick after I cut the first track (at bottom):



As you can see, a wider gap than the other above it (when I used the styrene).
[The styrene is in place in the photo above: normally there's barely a gap in the upper rails]

Also, because the separating disc comes in at a slight angle:



The styrene allows enough space for a flush file.
By laying the rail over the PC board ties first, the solder helps create a smooth path over any little bumps or skewed PC boards / endplate top.
Sometimes there's a little rise but hardly noticeable.

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Monday, April 23, 2012 6:00 PM

Once you get ALL the yard tracks smooth & even, soldered / caulked down, & cut, then & ONLY then is it ok to release the clamps, remove the styrene and separate the sections so you can file the rail flush:



Gorilla Glue is strong, but I still file only down, and I put my thumb over the rails to relieve any stress on the solder.
Make sure you file flush + a smidge: if the rails touch each other when mating the pressure of the clamp will pop them off the solder.
I also slightly camphor the head with a single light pass of the file.

The most difficulty aspect of Free-moN is to get the tracks from different modules to line up: fortunately usually there are two people setting up: one to hold the two module endplates flush and the other to clamp.
Usually it takes a bit of finessing and a lot of patience.
And that with modules with a SINGLE track.
This yard has SEVEN, and they all have to line up perfectly or it won't work (or only some will).
Seems like the model railroad gods were on my side today, as all seven line up great between the two main sections:



Now all I have to do is slip the 2' insert between them (with a sheet of styrene between each gap) and then lay the curved track on the insert so it matchs up with the established track on the main sections.

My crate of unassembled Bullfrog turnout controls should show up soon, too, so I'll get to figure out how to do the double-actuated (one on each side) control rods.

I'm also going to be building a sloped hardboard shelf & lip on each side that will hold our iPhone & NEC throttles as well as protect the Bullfrog knobs below it.

Thanks for watching and hope to have a video up soon.
Cheers!

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:32 AM

I love the whole Free-Mo concept, but I'm not familiar with all the details.  Does the specification not call call for rail joiners between modules?  I've never looked carefully at that detail of the layouts I've seen at shows.

Right now, building my own layout takes all my train-time, so joining a club or doing Free-Mo isn't really a good option if I wish to, in the words of Thomas Jefferson, "promote domestic tranquility."  But, if we decide to relocate after we retire in a few more years, I think a locale with an active Free-Mo group would be something to seriously consider.

Again, thanks for taking the time to document your fine work.  I look forward to seeing the scenery that develops around the yard.

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Posted by Doug from Michigan on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:00 PM

Thank you for sharing another project with us!  Your project  threads are always entertaining and very inspirational.

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:26 PM

Thanks, guys, for the kind words.

Free-moN standards call for butt joints: I gorilla glue about 4 PC board ties at the ends and solder the rails, then file back flush with the endplate.

Works out great, with barely a bump between modules (though sometimes it takes a few tries to clamp them in the right position ;) )

Here's the last video of the Hiller show, showing steam & diesel running through the whole layout:

watch?v=CBWYq0wMVbs&feature=plcp&context=C433f96bVDvjVQa1PpcFPo5FJc9Aov08UbbGiy6815n6vRlpl9Fg=

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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:36 PM

Gidday, Have you ever considered putting "Super" in front of "Mcfunkeymonkey?? Smile

Great to see people enjoying themselves at the show. Viewing your posts always puts a smile on my dial.

Cheers, the Bear.

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Posted by steinjr on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:57 PM

mcfunkeymonkey

When laying the track over the middle section, I first put a sheet of 0.020 styrene between the sections before clamping:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RiMQPGKVhGk/T5S0X0HiC9I/AAAAAAAAF80/cFmTiYGaS2g/s640/P4222542.JPG

Even though I use a Ultra Thin Dedeco separating disc, the styrene makes sure that there's rail to file back flush with the endplate instead of wishing it'd grow a 1/32" to prevent a wheel-grabbing gap.

  A simple and smart way to get straight rail cuts with minimum track gaps at the module boundaries.

 Thanks MC - yet another good build thread that both shares enthusiasm and good ideas !

 Smile,
 Stein

 

 

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Posted by dexterdog on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:26 PM

Love the videos, your skills as a modeler are unparalleled in this universe... HOWEVER, could you please ditch that elevator muzak soundtrack and replace it with... oh, I don't know, just about anything! Maybe some AC/DC,,, yeah, that's the ticket...

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:25 PM

Thanks.

All the music in the videos was written by my brother (and used by permission).
The super-cheezy elevator-type music was the background muzak in a supermarket for a Doritos commercial, so imagine it coming out almost inaudibly from a very crappy speaker while cruising the snack aisle at 2am.
I'm trying to get him to record some Johnny Cash-ish / Neil Young-ish / Tom Waits-ish more train-like music for me, but he's a busy guy down in LaLaLand.

So until then, you're stuck in the elevator, just like Shallow Hal with Tony Robbins.

Now onto today's adventure!

I might have over-emphasized the finickiness of aligning butt joints in the early posts.
Yes, it's not a two-second snap together, but it's not that hard to get the modules aligned.
Especially with two people: one to align, the other to clamp.
And most modules have a single main, so all you have to align is two rails (no matter the off-chance of endplate warping or wacky floor).
And what we've found is that even if there's a significant gap, trains will still run over it fine!
It's pretty amazing what long trains are able to run over.
Now, of course, it's better to get as close as possible to flush & smooth.
But there's a lot of lee-way.

Drop-in sections of track or even the pre-ballasted joints where you drop in two rails also have their place: we've found that those options actually have more variables than necessary (and the drop-in rails can get bent very quickly), and take longer to set up & take down.

Bolts & pins are great between sections, but not between modules: it's just too hard to get people from all over to precision-machine-place pins in the correct spot to allow alignment on either side of the module in any combination with anyone else's module.
Maybe if we machined endplates out of steel and then all used the same...
Ugh: the weight!

So butt-end joints over 6"-tall 3/4" birch ply have proved (for us) to be the most practical and repeatable.

Just to prove a point: today I connected the 2-foot, 15 deg. insert between the two yard sections in less than a minute, all by myself:



Perhaps having multiple tracks actually makes it easier to align, as (theoretically) just aligning the two outermost rails should line up all those in between.
But sometimes the Free-moN gods are with you, and sometimes they give you the fumbly finger.

You can see I also sprayed on the first layer of flat black along the sides.

Once I got the insert aligned and clamped, I cut track to fit the three remaining curves, laid down some caulk, placed the track, eyeballed it to have a 2" straight off the sides and then a smooth curve (1 1/2" track centers).
The caulk gives you plenty of time to adjust, test with a car, and then solder at the ends:



The fun thing about this part is that there are no rail joiners and you don't have to put styrene between the sections.
Just run the rails up to the ones already flush on the yard sections (ok, leave a slight gap, like hair-width).
So no cutting with the Dremel or filing, either.
And everything lines up lovely:



Now I've only tried the insert in one direction: I'm really really really hoping that it all lines up when I flip it around (and there might be a slight bit of filing to be done).
But as of now, we have all 7 yard tracks (a main with two staging tracks and a runaround on each side) up and running.
Or will, once I drop feeders on the insert section after the caulk cures.

So here it is:



While I was working on this, my daughter was using her model railroading skills to build a diorama of the BFG's cave for a class project (many layers of carved pink foam caulked together, sculptamold slathered on top, now painting the blue rocks), and my son was... ??? dancing / practicing karate / painting water pictures on the driveway.

So it was a good day.
Thanks for looking, and for all your comments and suggestions.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:04 PM

mcfunkeymonkey

I might have over-emphasized the finickiness of aligning butt joints in the early posts.
Yes, it's not a two-second snap together, but it's not that hard to get the modules aligned.
Especially with two people: one to align, the other to clamp.
And most modules have a single main, so all you have to align is two rails (no matter the off-chance of endplate warping or wacky floor).

Gidday MC, I certainly do not think you have "....over- emphasized the finickiness of aligning butt joints...."

It, to my mind, it doesn't matter now fantastic the scenery, the rest of the track work is, in fact all the aspects of what makes a great model railroad, if the butt joints aint right, the rest  dont  work!!, detracts from the modular experience, muchSad "ness"

Keep having good days.

Cheers, the Bear.

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:18 PM

Here's a video I made on how I make the butt joints over a Free-moN module section:

watch?v=wM1H0URvKX8

Again, I apologize for the length & rambling, but I wanted to take the mystery out of a potential deal-breaker for anyone wanting to build a Free-moN module.
This is for 7 tracks on plywood, but can also be used for 1 or 2 tracks on foam / cork.
The same technique can be used for other modules, or swing-out / lift-up sections.
(At the single-main endplate of a module you can just solder the rails so they stick out & file back flush)

Hope this helps spread the Free-moN flow, and thanks for watching (and for all comments / suggestions!)
Cheers!

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Posted by tin can on Friday, April 27, 2012 8:51 AM

MC:

Thanks for the video.  It is incredible! I think I now have the confidence to try something similar in HO scale.

I can't wait to see what you tackle, next.

 

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:26 AM

Thanks, Jeff.
The whole point (flush butt?) is to take the mystery out of modules and other aspects of model railroading so people spend more time building and less time worrying.
The same technique can be used for bridges, docks, lift-up & swing-out sections.

Built a couple of Bullfrogs and started figuring out how to install them.
While I could just screw them into the 1/2" ply, that wouldn't leave much room for the control rods to drop 4" to the sides, especially when install right next to the edge.
So I'll probably mount the Bullfrogs on some 1 1/2" square blocks (leftover leg material), but we'll see.

First, though, I have to deal with another issue thrown my way, specifically this:



The Atlas C55 turnouts, while nice for their power routing & easy-to-wire frog set up, have a weakass plastic throwbar / point rail clip that actually pushes the point rail up over the stock rail when thrown to the far side.
"You're throwing too hard!" you might say.
Well, so does the Bullfrog, so I gotta work with that.
And I have no problems with the Bullfrog working my handlaid turnout with PC board throwbar on the Shoofly.

So, before I started butchering the turnouts already installed on the staging module, I practiced with an Atlas C55 turnout I'm saving for another project (muhahahaha):



Just cut the point rail clips with rail nippers and soldered.
I use HO scale PC board ties for throwbars as I'll be drilling holes for the Bullfrog wire & the N scale ones are a little thin.
[Note to self: remember to cut the gap on the throwbar before installing & soldering ]
Seemed to work out pretty well, so now it's on to performing surgery on the 17 Atlas turnouts already installed!
Thanks for looking.

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Posted by dexterdog on Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:51 PM

I too have had issues with the quality of Atlas Code 55 turnouts in the past, the weak throwbar being one issue. Or in other instances one or both of the point rails come loose from the pins holding them in place. Lately I've noticed that I have problems with certain cars derailing on a couple of my installed #5 turnouts. Eventually I figured out that the metal frogs were slightly raised and were not flush with the rails. I've had to file down the frog to fix the problem.

I am building any new turnouts I need with Fast Tracks products which always results in smooth problem-free trackwork. I don't want to rag on the quality of Atlas products, as for the most part they're pretty reliable. But it's definitely annoying when these problems pop up.

Keep the updates coming, I always look forward to your informative posts.

Frank B.

Dorval, Canada

 

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:15 PM

Thanks, Frank.
Usually I handlay turnouts myself, but as I built most of this in less than a week for a show, I went with the Atlas (though now I wonder if I could have built 20 turnouts in a day.  Hmm...)

The other issue with Atlas C55 turnouts is with the "bumps" / tie clips.
For some reason, they seem to be a hair tall for many wheel flanges, leading the wheel to "pop up" right before the frog.

A few passes with a file seems to do the trick, as does making sure your wheels are perfectly in gauge.

If I do get major issues with the Atlas turnouts, then I'll definitely replace them with handlaid (unless it's the day of a show ;) )

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Wednesday, May 2, 2012 11:35 AM

Sooooooo, last night I tried replacing a throwbar on an already-installed turnout and tweeked the point rail: they really like to bend and pop out of the hinge!
I think it'll be repairable, but otherwise I don't mind replacing one with a handlaid turnout.

But, thinking about how people had been talking about shims, I decided to give it a try.
There's a little channel in the throwbar under each stockrail, so I just slipped a small section of 0.02" x 0.06" styrene strip into the space:



Seems to work great.
I also tried 0.03" x 0.06", but that thickness doesn't allow any give around the point clip, and the tension pops the point rail out of the hinge hole after a bit.
The 0.02" x 0.06" is still thin enough to slide under the point rail clip & allow it some play, while still keeping the throwbar down under the stockrail to keep the point rail flush (and not ride up like it had been).

So far, I think you only have to do it on the side opposite the ground throw / bullfrog wire, but the groundthrow might be keeping that side down.
When I install a Bullfrog I'll see how it works, but it seems the worst case is that I slide another styrene strip on the throwbar under that side of the stockrail.

K.I.S.S. really is a great principle to live by.
Thanks to all who made all the suggestions / alt ways to skin the cat!

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:58 AM

Here's a short "How To" video on how to improve the Atlas C55 turnouts by adding shims to the throwbar:

watch?v=CA87ZvHJQd8

I'll do another one on how I replace the throwbar with a PC board tie later (probably this weekend).

I've also started installing the Bullfrog turnout controls to the module.
As there's no 2" pink foam, I added a spacer made out of 2" chunks of 1"x2"s.
Here's with the control knob pushed in:



And pulled out:



Notice that I built the turnouts without the rod support option: the Bullfrogs in the center don't need the Tadpoles as the red control rod sheathes are stiff enough when short enough.
When I install one on the side of the module I might need a Tadpole for the far side.
We'll see!

The travel distance is about 1 1/8".
Not thrilled with the distance (or the bright yellow of the rod), but I really dig the Bullfrogs themselves: keeps the points firmly secured and easy to power the frogs.

To protect the knobs and have something useful on the yard module I built some small shelves 4" high that stick out about 2":





[Haven't installed them yet: will drill all the holes for the Bullfrog knobs first]
But not only to they protect the knobs, but will give us a surface other than the layout to place our Powercab and iPhone throttle, as well as any car cards / paperwork when we get to that point.

The mainline turnout knobs are centered equidistant between the bottom of module and bottom of shelf, while I'm going to offset the yard track turnout knobs: 1/2" higher for far side and 1/2" lower for near side.
Also will carve a slight notch top or bottom to indicate direction of diverging route so operators can feel it rather than lean back to double check all the time.

Two Bullfrogs down & only 18 more to go!

Thanks for looking.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:07 PM

I had an issue with HO-scale Atlas turnouts, Code 83 snap-switches, about a year and a half ago.  Atlas is in the process of moving their flex-track production from one Chinese factory to another.  I'm wondering if some of these quality control issues are a result of the move, or perhaps a reason for it.

On a brighter note, I know this is a "staging" yard, but since it is seen by the public, will you be putting in some scenery, at least?

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:31 PM

Oh, yeah: there'll be ground cover, ballast, cinders, gravel, etc.

There'll be a turntable with coal, sand, ash, water, etc. and a double-track deisel service.
A machine shop (that might double as a programming track) with some welding flicker inside and a MOW track and shed for the wreck train/crane that we'll need when people lean on the modules and throw the the joint alignment outta whack ;)

You didn't think I'd leave it JUST plywood, did you?  Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:14 AM

So the two mainline turnouts of one section are now Bullfrogged:



I'll hook up the wires after I install all the Bullfrogs.
They work pretty awesome (though I did cut the red sheath a little short on the left one).

Also installed the shelves on the handle side:





I used woodglue and screw on the first but then I realised that the paint might prevent a great bond (will the wood still emulsify if there's a layer of paint? wouldn't think so), so I tried... that's right: Gorilla Glue! on the second.

Both seem equally firm and steady, so we'll see over time.

I'm not going to install the shelves on the other side until I install 10 Bullfrogs on this section (much easier to work propped up and clamped on workbench like in photo above)

So I've been installing more spacers on which to mount the Bullfrogs, and came upon a new issue:



Originally, the bolts would stick out to the left.

While I was smart enough to plan ahead with the cross-braces to place them not under a hole for turnout actuating rods, I was not smart enough to think about the bolts for the legs and how they stick out into the Bullfrog.

So I've reversed the direction of the bolts so the leg plate goes on the "right" (outer) side and... that's right: Gorilla Glue!
The bolt and washer on the inner side (where the Bullfrog will go) are now rocksolid attached to the crossbeam.
If you look at the first photo in the post, you'll see I have room to slip the leg frame over the bolts, but I think I'm going to cut channels in the leg frame panels and make it a "slip-on" rather than "bolt-hole only" because I really don't want to whack the Bullfrog too much.
Plus, slip-on is soooooo much easier & quicker.
Just hope it doesn't over-weaken the 1/2" ply panel on the legs too much.

Alrighty, back to building more Bullfrogs!

Thanks for looking.

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Posted by dexterdog on Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:19 AM

Hi M.C,

I was just wondering if you were using one of Tim Warris' "Best Glue Applicator Bottles Ever" to apply glue during your Bullfrog Assembly Marathon! Seriously though, very nice work on the staging module. You never cease to impress me with your steady stream of ingenious solutions to problems which pop up as you go. At times my inability to solve some unforseen problem on my own layout in a timely fashion leads to prolonged periods of zero progress. You don't seem to suffer from this!

As always, your posts are highly informative, so keep 'em coming.

Bow

Frank B.

Dorval, Canada

 

 

 

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:43 PM

Thanks, Frank.
Not sure about "ingenious" solutions: more like scrambling to right the ship after running aground (a la Exxon Valdez with a slightly lower blood alcohol content Whistling)

Here's a shot of my high-tech white glue applicator:

I really dig toothpicks.
Probably my most useful modeling tool, with tweezers and Bear Republic's Racer 5 IPA tied for a close second.
For my birthday a couple months ago my kids got me a bunch of boxes of 'em (toothpicks, not IPAs).
Just gotta remember not to use them for the teeth after using them on the modeling ;)

Cranked out 4 more Bullfrogs this morning, so 10 down, 10ish more to go!
(and installing them, and connecting the control rods, and wiring up the frogs, and... )

Thanks for rolling with the rambles.

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Posted by steinjr on Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:50 PM

mcfunkeymonkey


Not sure about "ingenious" solutions: more like scrambling to right the ship after running aground (a la Exxon Valdez with a slightly lower blood alcohol content Whistling)

 

 Well, in that case - well scrambled :-)

 Grin,
 Stein, who also are enjoying your build threads

 

 

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Posted by sfcouple on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:33 AM

Thank you for taking the time to photograph, video, and post examples of your superlative work for the entire modeling community.  This posting is most informative, I have learned a lot and can't wait to try some of your ideas and techniques on my own layout.    

Thank you again,

Wayne 

 

Modeling HO Freelance Logging Railroad.

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:48 AM

Thanks, Stein & Wayne, for the positive feedback.
And glad you find it useful.
(Just like Thomas, I want to be a very useful engine Smile, Wink & Grin)

Finished installing all 4 shelves and most of the Bullfrogs on one section of the yard:





The mainline turnouts are centered between bottom of shelf and bottom of module.
Yard turnouts knobs are raised or lowered 1/4" depending if throwing a near or far turnout.
I might notch the knob to indicate direction of diverging route, but I'll wait to see if it's necessary when we use the yard at a show next month.

One of the knobs is not under the shelves:



But still protected.

I've been playing around with the control rod supports on the Bullfrogs.
If the Bullfrog is in the middle of the module, then no Tadpole or other support is needed.
But some are on one side or the other, so I built some with the control tube support mounted on the Bullfrog.
Seems to work fine unless very very close to the side, then the threaded z-bend tends to scrape a bit as the motion carries it down as it goes around.
Here you can see some distances:



Overall, the red tube is enough for good operations.

I really like the Bullfrogs, except for the 1 1/8" travel distance.
The only other issue I can see that might come up is the lateral movement of throwing the turnouts rocks the module a little side to side, but I'm guessing when both yard sections are joined with the smaller curved insert, and connected to other modules the movement won't be too bad.

Time to build more Bullfrogs!
Thanks for looking.

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:30 PM

Finished most of the Bullfrogs on one staging yard section, so started in on the other (the one with the cans on it):



I've left the shelves off the UTP side as I've found it's a whole lot easier to install spacers and Bullfrogs when it's tipped up on the workbench, rather than trying to screw up (done enough of that)(and probably will again).

Speaking of which, for some reason I could not get the screw to hold one spacer flush while the woodglue dried, so in the end I just ended up taping it in place:



Worked like a charm.
A sticky blue charm.

In that photo you can also see my sophisticated and hi-tech method of bundling & securing the wires up & out of the way from the Bullfrogs.
Same sticky blue charm.

The reason I had the partially-finished Bullfrog section up is because I laid the track and turnouts for the diesel engine service area (under the cans) and, since I had the chop saw out while making a pair of detachable extensions, I went ahead and cut slots to make this section's legs slip-on-able:




I just cut straight from the top of the panel down to the holes I'd already drilled for the bolts.
If anyone is making a module, I strongly recommend making your legs slip on.
It's, like, totally 20 KABILLION times easier and faster to put the legs on (can even do it one handed).

Also had to cut out more of the wire channel because flipping the legs around to the other side of the cross-support threw off my aim.
When I first made the legs, I used a router to smooth the edges of the channel, but this time was too lazy to get the router out and went with the more direct route of a curved file.
If anyone is making a module, I strongly recommend rounded and smoothing any areas on which wires will rub, as a sharp edge with tear the wires to shreds over time.

So here's the overview of the second section of the staging yard module (though technically both are modules with standardized endplates on both ends):



The two long tracks at the upper right are the diesel engine service.
The one on the far left will double as a programming track (will hook up a DPDT in the fascia that will flip it between the main bus and a short section of bus-ish wire with powerpole connectors that can hook up with the portable PowerCab Panel / Booster I'm building in a toolbox).
The short track between the engine service and the main is the fuel / sand supply track.

I used two ME #6 turnouts for the diesel service.
Why?
LHS was out of Atlas #7s, and I wanted to try ME (first time).
Free-moN standards allow down to #6, so it's all good.
I popped out the spring underneath to allow easier movement for the Bullfrogs.
And, like Adam (Steamdonkey74) said earlier (or maybe on a different thread), it's a PITA to solder the green wire to that little disc under the frog.
Hope it holds.

The grey rectanglish shape on the far left is the Machine Shop base, whose track might also double as a programming track so there can be one on each side.
Both programming tracks will be long enough for at least 2 Big Long Locos for consisting.

Tasks this week:
--Fix / replace 1 turnout I butchered while experimenting on ways to improve it
--Finish installing all Bullfrogs
--Finish wireing up all Bullfrogs
--Hook up some juice and run some trains to find out the bumps before the group run on June 10th
--Start to figure out how to build the 8" pit turntable

But things are moving again.
Thanks for looking.

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:26 AM

Turnout Trials & Tribulations!

But first, I wired up the outer diesel engine service track to this nifty DPDT On-Off-On toggle (rated at 20amps):



that will allow that track to become a programming track when hooked up to the portable Powercab panel toolbox I hope to build this weekend at our group build party.

So I totally butchered a turnout experimenting with different ways to "fix" it.
('Nam flashback: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it.")
So I needed to install a new one.
(No, really, it was ugly)

As I had already soldered everything together, I just used the Dedeco thin disc in the Dremel and cut it close to the original joint:



After filing & fitting & filing to get a close fit, I slipped some HO PC board ties under the new joints, laid down some caulk and then slipped the new turnout into place & soldered:





Turned out rather well!
And now I know what NOT to do to an Atlas C55 turnout: namely, don't try to cut the point rail throwbar clips as the point rails twist as soon as you breath close to them, and soldering doesn't work very well.
Must be the kryptonite in the rails.

So a key Atlas C55 is back in business & works great with the Bullfrog.
Think the turnout troubles are over?
Heck no.

[cont.]

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Posted by mcfunkeymonkey on Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:27 AM

Soooooo, after fixing one turnout, I tried installing Bullfrogs on the two ME C55 #6 turnouts I used for the diesel service (and which, if you remember, I installed yesterday).

Well, the hole in the throwbar is a bit smaller than the Bullfrog wire (which fits the Atlas just fine), and so I thought I'd just ream it out a little.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

Snap:



No matter how careful I was, either in reaming or in inserting the rod, the throwbar snapped off.

Luckily, the ME turnouts are much sturdier (in general) than the Atlas one and the point rails don't have those clips.
So I popped the throw bar off and slipped an HO PC board tie under there:



There are tiny bumps under the ME point rails, so, after soldering, in order to keep the points down below the stock rails, I had to slip a small strip of styrene on top of both sides of the PC board throw bar and under the stockrails.
Turns out 0.02" styrene is a smidge thick, so I filed it with a couple of passes and it fit real purdy.

For the other ME C55 turnout, I took the point rails out of their seats (which look remarkably like rail joiners) and filed off the little bumps. The PC board tie then sat too far below, so I propped it with slightly filed 0.02" styrene:



Turns out that this actually makes the throwing action a little stiff, so I might drop it a little tomorrow (put the throwbar on the ground) or trim the plastic ties next to it, as I think that might be pinching a bit.

So lots of frustration and swearing today, mostly aimed at myself.
But in the end, it all turned out:



Tomorrow: wiring up the underworld.

Thanks for looking.

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