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What an East Coast layout must have?
Posted by topito on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:30 PM

Hi friends: I live in a very far country fron USA and I have 2 N scale  locomotives from "eastern railroads", New Haven and Delaware & Hudson.

I want to make a small layout inspired in the east coast (New England region?), in the middle 20 Century (1945-1950).  I know that this region have some particular buildings, bridges (Madison Bridges.... like the movie) and landscapes.

 Could someone suggest what an east coast layout must have? What are the landmarks that must be included.

 

Thanks in advance

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:19 AM

 MR´s Managing Editor David Popp´s Naugatuck Valley RR has that "Eastern" flavor you might be looking for. 

Take a look at this page .

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:37 AM

topito

I want to make a small layout inspired in the east coast (New England region?), in the middle 20 Century (1945-1950).  I know that this region have some particular buildings, bridges (Madison Bridges.... like the movie) and landscapes.

 Could someone suggest what an east coast layout must have? What are the landmarks that must be included.

What's a "Madison" bridge?  If you are talking about "The Bridges of Madison County" that took place in Iowa.  Covered bridge are very rare.

Trees.

Brick buildings.

Stone buildings.

Rock outcroppings.

Row homes

Coal dealers

Small mills

Large brick mills (textile, paper, cardboard box)

Foundries and machine makers

Creamery

Lumber yard

Steel bridges

Stone bridges and culverts

Stone fences around property

East coast barns (stone ends, wood sides, stables on ground floor)

Dairy farms

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:22 AM

The NH and D&H would both have been seen in New York and Connecticut, from New York City northwards, generally.  This part of the country is very old, geologically, some of the oldest surface granite rocks on the planet.  The landscape is generally low rolling hills, no high mountains and not a lot of flat plains, either.  Roads and railroads generally followed rivers, because much of the land is hilly and it's just easier to follow the flat course, even though it winds around.  So, you will not find towns with streets laid out in nice, even grids.

This region would have had dairy farming and some textile industry, which developed in New England to take advantage of the abundant water power during the Industrial Revolution.  Coal and other raw materials would have been brought in from Pennsylvania on the D&H.

The New England landscape is known for "fall color," the very bright orange, yellow and red shades that the leaves turn as winter approaches.  So, if you've ever wanted to model this, it's the perfect location for an autumn layout with lots of colorful foliage.

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:59 AM

The low rolling hills of the Catskills and the Poconos and the higher mountains of the Adirondacks.  Lots of small lakes.  Canals.  Ski resorts.  Dairy and Apple farming.  Grapes and wine in the Finger Lakes region.  Railroads frequently following rivers.  Lots of tunnels and long high masonry bridges.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Doc in CT on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:02 AM

 If you are interested in "urban" type buildings might I suggest my "prototypes" web page from my layout web site.

While most of New England (CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, MA) doesn't have mountains, it is rather hilly once you leave the various river valleys.  Even then you can go from 1,000 foot elevation to 50 in a span of just a few miles as is the case here in Enfield (north central CT).  

There are a lot of abandoned rail lines, which in the 40s and 50s would have been active with traffic from a number of regional lines.

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Posted by nw_fan on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:27 AM

 

Sir Madog

 MR´s Managing Editor David Popp´s Naugatuck Valley RR has that "Eastern" flavor you might be looking for. 

Take a look at this page .

 

David Popp's Layout is truly a testiment to small layouts that are very well done.

I want to model east coast, fall season, after looking at his photos.

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Posted by nbrodar on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 AM

Eastern landmarks....

Mill races, and dams from water powered mills; rolling tree covered hills; masonry bridges; and rock cuts along the tracks


For the more urban areas, brick mill buildings...

As well as predominately brick town buildings

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Posted by tgindy on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:55 AM

The "road names" and don't overlook "Fallen Flags" as not everyone survived like today's CSX and Norfolk Southern - And, did I mention many railroads?

Geographic location (+) year (i.e. circa 1956) has rolling stock impact...

Just a handful of the Class I major roads (in alpha-order) in the Mid-Atlantic states were Baltimore & Ohio, Chesapeake & Ohio, New York Central, Norfolk & Western, Pennsylvania, Reading, etc.

While you will have your primary railroad -- The train consists were full of colorful paint schemes of road names.  It was not uncommon to see long coal drags, or (TOFC) Trailer Train, TTX Company, for the roots of what is today's (container-only) Intermodal.  Also see Railway Express Agency.

If you are into electrification, there is the Northeast Corridor, and; for example, Kato makes a nice Pennsylvania GG1 for both HO Scale and N Scale:

Northeastern USA websites for starters:  North East Rails and Consolidated Rail Corporation.

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Posted by dadurling on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:04 PM

dehusman
What's a "Madison" bridge?  If you are talking about "The Bridges of Madison County" that took place in Iowa.  Covered bridge are very rare.

Rare? In New England in the 1940s? I'm not so sure about that.

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Posted by Scarpia on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:19 PM

Covered bridges aren't that rare in some parts of New England, there are probably a dozen within 20 miles of my house, for instance.

And we do have mountains, DocinCT. They maybe smaller than the 10,000+ foot peaks out west, but at 3 & 4000 feet, they still classify as mountains here in NH, ME, VT, & upstate NY.   In fact, as most people can't really model the western mountain ranges to scale, the Eastern ranges maybe a better match for the hobby in some ways.

To the original poster, with the exception of desert, the Eastern part of the US has lots of things you can model. Other posters have included iconic things like covered bridges, but a gritty urban environment is right at home on an NE layout if that appeals to you, especially if you're interested in modeling the New Haven, as that road served some very large markets in the North East.

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:57 PM

Covered Bridges of the North East:

http://www.coveredbridgesite.com/ 

There is also a large coal mining industry in Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

And, of course, snow.

It is not readily apparent, but the third image in my first post shows a Delaware and Hudson train emerging from a tunnel.  It is just hard to see the portal through the trees.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:07 PM

Another "Classic New England" scene is the rocky coastline, with small fishing boats and perhaps a lighthouse.  Again, this would be appropriate for the New Haven running along the Connecticut shore.

(Mermaids are optional, depending on your chosen prototype.)

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Posted by West Penn Nscale on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:15 PM

If you dip down into the Mid Atlantic (PA, NJ, WV, Maryland, Delaware).. You could get the steel and coal and the beginning of the Chemical industries... 40'S 50'S would have a large amount of passenger traffic...  

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Posted by Cat on Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:18 AM
I'd highly recommend 2 Kalmbach books by Iain Rice: Small, Smarat & Practical Track Plans Mid-sized & Managable Track Plans Whatever size layout you want to do, get both of these books. Iain is British, but visits over here frequently and does a very good treatment of each region. He has a number of eastern layouts in these books, and as a native, I'll vouch that the New England ones are quite well done. each track plan is accompanied by photos of the area and watercolour paintings of the layout. These will give you a lot of inspiration. If you narrow down to any specific city or town you would like to include, then go peak at Google Maps and check out both the street and satellite views, and the photos options under the More menu. For example, Iain's mid-sized trackplan, the Milltown Switcher, is inspired by Pawtuxet, Rhode Island (New Haven RR territory), to get lot's more inspiration and maybe even specific scenes to model, check out: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
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Posted by Cat on Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:33 AM
Whoops, that layout is actually inspired by Woonsocket, Rhode Island, but the basic use of Google is still the same: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
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Posted by Cat on Friday, April 23, 2010 11:10 PM
And for the countryside look in New England, dairy farms and apple orchards are classic icons. You may find helpful stuff here on the New Haven: http://www.nhrhta.org/ And for the D&H: http://www.american-rails.com/delaware-and-hudson-railway-links.html Cheers, Mo
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Posted by m horton on Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:19 AM

You should check the Rensselaer Railroad Heritage Website also. Pay for one month and get lots of info on steam era modeling. Also the D&H and the NH do not interchange directly. The NH is a real New England railroad, serving Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York,  the D&H was in New York, Pennsylvania, and went to Canada. I'm not sure,but it may have had a line into Vermont.

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Saturday, April 24, 2010 3:02 PM
For the Pennsylvania area you get a good mix of city and farmland.

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Posted by Coquihala and Rock Creek on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:07 PM

Lobster!

 Had to be said.  Not to be taken lightly but if you are modeling a coastal scene then a fishing industry of some sort would be important.  This could be anything from a cannery or packing plant to a small lobster boat in a calm bay with bouy marked lobster traps to large ocean going trawlers heading out to sea.

 Sounds very interesting, keep us posted please.

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Posted by Cat on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:39 PM

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Coquihala and Rock Creek

Lobster!
 

 

Clams!

If you are modelling anywhere near the New England coast, a clam shack is a must, and more commonly sighted than lobster boats.  Lobster boats are great and should be included if you're doing a water scene... but a good clam shack draws people from miles around.

This is a small restaurant with a take-out window for fried clams and other sea food, and sometimes roast beef sandwiches too.  Most are seasonal, without any indoor seating.  There may be some picnic benches around the edges of the parking lot.

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=clam+shack&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= 

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Posted by Colorado_Mac on Tuesday, May 4, 2010 1:52 PM
Try checking the tourist agency pages from the states you are interested in - they often have many photographs of the landscape.

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Posted by m horton on Tuesday, May 4, 2010 2:16 PM

Another quick note , there are NO coalmines in New York or New England, Pennsylvania's okay.mike h.

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Posted by E-L man tom on Tuesday, May 4, 2010 5:17 PM

And, speaking of track plans, many major rivers run throughout the northeastern mountains. Having grown up in the Catskill Mountains along the Delaware Division of the Erie/Erie Lackawanna, that line ran (and still does today, under Canadian Pacific auspices) along the Delaware River bordering NY and PA between Binghamton and Port Jervis, NY. The scenery might include a river that runs either along or crossing a river or both, where the engineers chose the necessary "path of least resistnace" to get from point A to point B when designing and building the railroad. Both railroad and river meander through the mountains and the railroad at times may (or may not) cross that river.

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