C & O SteamHay, when did you take my picture.....................That pretty explains where I am on my layout ideas.. I have mostly "OR's" at this point. Double main line, and /or twice around, yard, coal tipple, power plant, city of Thurmond, Hinton yard, Sandstone station, Rainelle lumber yard, rivers, bridges, & staging. All of this in a 11' x 11' room. You can see why I am going crazy.
Hay, when did you take my picture.....................That pretty explains where I am on my layout ideas.. I have mostly "OR's" at this point.
Double main line, and /or twice around, yard, coal tipple, power plant, city of Thurmond, Hinton yard, Sandstone station, Rainelle lumber yard, rivers, bridges, & staging. All of this in a 11' x 11' room. You can see why I am going crazy.
The easy answer is to prioritize your druthers. Easier said than done, but very necessary. In an 11x 11 room in HO you will be fortunate to get 4-5 of your scenes. Pick the one that matters most to you, and do it adequate justice - in your mind. Next take number 2, and do the same. When you are starting to cram, you have 1 druther too many (IMHO). Erase the last one and call it good.
The nice thing about a small-to-midsize layout done as a series of connected scenes - especially on shelves around the walls - is that it is relatively easy to change one scene for another down the road.
I have had to do the same on my layout planning. My druthers included a fishing village, a lumber doghole port, a switchback cliff, continuous running for both standard and narrow gauge, an interchange between the two lines, a timber loading scene, a rail-served sawmill, and an interchange of the standard gauge with the Oregon and California. Add in a little bit of mainline with an rail-to-rail overpass. There is no way this will all fit in a 10x7.5 ft room. I've backed off to the most I can get is the sawmill (with most of it on the backdrop), the doghole port, the switchback, the fishing village, the timber landing, and the interchange. And I would like to spread each of these out more, but it can't happen. The fishing village has no run-around. The timber landing is a single spur. It's very likely that either the timber landing or the interchange will go by-by as I construct it. Continuous running for at least one of the lines will be on a portable set-up-on-the-table for tests and run-ins.
yours in planning
Fred W
Is it urban switching, or lonely coal branch, or .., or...
I was looking at this track plan. If you like switching It seems to me that this layout would keep you busy. As for the grade you would have two extra feet in your room to ease the grade on the ramp track as the plan is drawn in a 9'x 11' room so that might help some. another option is if can move the hidden staging out of the room that would open up the upper level to reconfigure the industries up there. That's my 2 cents for now.
Dan Metzger
markpierce The grades are "something else." Although the grade is labeled at 5%, the lower part of the grade is actually 4.5% and the upper part 7% given the indicated track heights.
The grades are "something else." Although the grade is labeled at 5%, the lower part of the grade is actually 4.5% and the upper part 7% given the indicated track heights.
Yep, excessively steep and not really necessary for the design. The double whammy.
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C & O Steam The Big-time coal hauling in this month (Aug) issue of MR looked like it might work. Can you give me your thoughts on this plan?
The Big-time coal hauling in this month (Aug) issue of MR looked like it might work. Can you give me your thoughts on this plan?
This is a completely different concept than the 59th Street Branch layout (urban switching vs. remote coal branch). There's no continuous-run on the Haysi RR layout. It seems unlikely to me that if one concept worked for you that the other would, too. But then again, in my opinion layout design is more about concept and vision than plopping down whatever track fits.
The Haysi RR is not a bad design, although the clearances might be a wee bit tight below Crooked Branch where the staging connects. Logically, you'd typically only run one train per session out from staging and back -- and there's really only coal traffic. You'd have to manually swap loads and empties before you could run another train.
Since the staging doesn't connect to the other end of the Clinchfield main, you wouldn't have any run-through traffic at all. Really different from the 59th Street layout. But if you are more interested in building coal tipples and wooded, hilly scenery than in operating variety, it could work for you.
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Jackh One thing I am considering is going through my back issues and pulling out sections of shelf layout designs that I like and then seeing what I can do to splice them togeather.
One thing I am considering is going through my back issues and pulling out sections of shelf layout designs that I like and then seeing what I can do to splice them togeather.
Good idea. My impression is that very few published plans, except for magazine project layouts and those drawn by/for a particular owner, ever get built.
There aren't any perfect layout plans. They are all compromises.
Mark
Jack,
I have been doing the same thing and have yet to come up with anything that I can put together. I think my problem is wanting to much for my small area.
Good luck, let me know if you come up with something.
MC
I'm in the same spot you are but with a 11 x 12 foot space. The one thing that really stood out about the 59th st plan was that the city was pretty much all background.
Jack
Thanks guys. I knew I could depend on you to tell me what I was overlooking. Guess its back to the drawing board. I have been looking through plans for some time now and can't find anything that I feel will work in my 11' x 11' room. I am interested in mostly coal hauling with a power plant, a couple cities and possible a logging addition later on.
Thanks
cuyama ... Overall, the grades are steeper than necessary, it seems primarily to accommodate one industry. ...
... Overall, the grades are steeper than necessary, it seems primarily to accommodate one industry. ...
The grades are "something else." Although the grade is labeled at 5%, the lower part of the grade is actually 4.5% and the upper part 7% given the indicated track heights. If given a uniform grade, there would be a still very high 5.4% grade, and these are average grades. To allow for transition from level to climbing/dropping track, the actual maximums would be substantially greater, and that 90-degree curve further increases the grade effect. Such grades will severely affect operations and locomotive performance.
The steepness could be substantially reduced by lengthening the grade. There is room to do this, but will require relocation of the crossover located adjacent to the end of the 59th Street Yard. I estimate that an average grade of 2.7% can fit: still steep but workable.
There are a number of concerns with this plan, although it's better than some that have been published recently in this size range. The way the "main" yard and "interchange" yard are configured doesn't make much sense and the main yard is connected very awkwardly.
There's an unrealistic over-reliance on switchback industry spurs, compared to real-life railroad practices. The main switching "branch" is also oddly connected and configured. Overall, the grades are steeper than necessary, it seems primarily to accommodate one industry.
There are some good elements here (such as staging), but IMHO they are very poorly interconnected. I think this would prove to be a tedious and frustrating layout to operate over time and would be quite crowded and artificial-looking in appearance. In my view, there would be much better alternatives for that much space.
Certainly an ambitious project requiring a step-up in skills when compared to a 5´ x 9´ layout. Actually, the 59th Street Branch is not a true double-deck layout, as there only two points where the upper track passes over the lower track and the scenery is not really separated. The layout requires a lot more than just a table-top benchwork. And, yes, there is only one entrance to the yard - it is a stub end yard.
You will enjoy building it - take up the challenge!
My 5' x 9" layout is history. Now I am planning an around the room layout and was wondering if anyone has built the 59th Street Branch in the July 2007 of MR. It looks interesting but I have never built a double deck layout before and was wondering if it might be over my head. I also can't see but one way to get into the yard. Am I overlooking something?
Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.