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Tilting test (first) layout - a progress report

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:18 AM

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Posted by treadhead1952 on Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:07 PM

That is a most excellent looking and functional set up you are building up.  I am casting about thinking up my own first layout and that is some great stuff to consider all the way around.  Looking forward to watching your construction as you work your way through this all.

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46 PM

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Posted by hornblower on Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:21 PM

Should it ever become necessary to replace the small casters with a bit larger units, you could always notch the bottom corner of each leg and set the larger caster in the resulting recess.  This will allow larger wheels without increasing the overall height.

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:52 AM

 

Svein


I used a 16mm steel tube as a hinge. No need to crawl under the layout to do the wiring:

Top side of layout in storage posisition:


Svein


 

 

I'm sorry but we won't be able to give you your wiring "Merritt  Badge" if you haven't crawled underneath and dripped hot solder on yourself.Big Smile

 

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Posted by steinjr on Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:51 AM

Svein

Now, time to run a trainBig Smile:

 

 That is one beautiful sight! Congratulations on posting the first pics of 32a in it's right environment!

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:53 AM

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Posted by Annonymous on Monday, August 4, 2008 12:02 PM

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Posted by WaxonWaxov on Saturday, August 2, 2008 10:44 PM

If your surface is warping, you might just need to put more bracing on the underside of it.

 

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Posted by Annonymous on Friday, August 1, 2008 2:30 PM

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Posted by Annonymous on Friday, July 25, 2008 3:54 PM

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Posted by stokesda on Friday, July 25, 2008 2:49 PM

Re: height adjusters

Try to find something called a "Tee Nut" in your local hardware store (hopefully they carry them where you live). Here's a link to a photo - it's the one on the very bottom:

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Fixings/NutsandWashers/d90/sd920

A tee nut can be used with a standard threaded bolt to make a height adjuster assembly. Drill a hole in the bottom of the wooden leg, insert the tee nut into the hole, then thread the bolt into the tee nut and adjust as necessary. Voila - a height adjuster.

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Posted by Annonymous on Friday, July 25, 2008 1:18 PM

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:26 PM

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Posted by galaxy on Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:57 PM
 Svein wrote:
 galaxy wrote:

A word of warning: I found that if anyone leans on the outer edges of the layout for any reason, it will want to tip even when "Secure pinned" into the horizontal position. Also if weight of what is on top of the layout (scenery track etc) is disproportionate on either side, layout will not "balance" well when in the horizontal position, and want to tip.

Thanks for the warning Galaxy!

YOUR WELCOME! I FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY

I haven't planned any kind of "locking" device when the layout is in horizontal position, the layout is free to pivot around the center. I want the construction to be as simple as possible yet functional.

HAVING A LOCKING PIN  IS A GOOD IDEA! I BALANCED IT IN THE HORIZONTAL POSITION, DRILLED A HOLE THROUGH THE SUPPORT LEG AND INTO THE DOOR. THEN I JUST USED A LARGE LONG NAIL AS THE LOCKING PIN ON EACH SIDE AND EACH LEG UPRIGHTS. EASY QUICK AND SIMPLE.

A removable brace like the one you have is one alternative, but as the center leg footprint on my layout is only 70x116cm, I don't know if this will be enough to keep it stable.

YOU ARE RIGHT- THE SLANTED BRACE DOES STABILIZE IT, BUT IF SOMEONE STILL LEANS HEAVILY ON THE EDGES......THAT IS WHY I MENTIONED THE REMOVABLE (OR FOLDABLE UP UNDERNEATH) LEGS TO GO AT THE OUTER EDGES. ALSO, I DESIGNED THEM TO BE "SELF STORING" WITHIN  THE CENTER LEG.

4 corner legs will probably be a better solution for me. I figure that a well balanced layout will be easy to hold in horizontal position while fastening the legs on one side, the added weight of the legs vil then prevent the layout from tilting the other way before the second pair of legs are fastened.

LOTHAR HAS MENTIONED ONLY HAVING ONE ON EACH END, AS LONG AS NO ONE LEANS ON CORNERS, ONE ON EACH END MAY BE OK.

Any thoughts?

Svein

 

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Posted by loathar on Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:56 PM
I would think one leg on each end placed in the center would good enough. I don't really see the need for a leg in each of the 4 corners.(unless I'm missing something?) Make sure you put some type of height adjuster on the bottoms of the legs.
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Posted by Johnnny_reb on Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:51 PM
 Svein wrote:
 galaxy wrote:

A word of warning: I found that if anyone leans on the outer edges of the layout for any reason, it will want to tip even when "Secure pinned" into the horizontal position. Also if weight of what is on top of the layout (scenery track etc) is disproportionate on either side, layout will not "balance" well when in the horizontal position, and want to tip.

Thanks for the warning Galaxy!

I haven't planned any kind of "locking" device when the layout is in horizontal position, the layout is free to pivot around the center. I want the construction to be as simple as possible yet functional.

A removable brace like the one you have is one alternative, but as the center leg footprint on my layout is only 70x116cm, I don't know if this will be enough to keep it stable.

4 corner legs will probably be a better solution for me. I figure that a well balanced layout will be easy to hold in horizontal position while fastening the legs on one side, the added weight of the legs vil then prevent the layout from tilting the other way before the second pair of legs are fastened.

Any thoughts?

Svein

 

Svein, Check at this sit out.

  http://www.stationroadbaseboards.co.uk/cart_brackets.htm

They have a folding bracket for legs along with others ideas.

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:01 PM

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Posted by TrampTrader on Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:01 PM

 

Svein,

Very nice work ! Lots of luck with your new layout. As a board newbie, I'm very excited to see your layout progress.

 

Pete  :-)

 

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Posted by galaxy on Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:16 PM

Before this appeared the first time you mentioned it, I had already built one with a hollow core door covered by foam. Almost exact style of design. I based the design on a gaming table I saw.

A word of warning: I found that if anyone leans on the outer edges of the layout for any reason, it will want to tip even when "Secure pinned" into the horizontal position. Also if weight of what is on top of the layout (scenery track etc) is disproportionate on either side, layout will not "balance" well when in the horizontal position, and want to tip.

I solved some of the problem by putting a removable brace from the base up and out to the edge(slanted). Further resolution would be removable legs to secure under the outer edges when it is in the horizontal position.

Best drawing I can give you:

                ______LAYOUT_____________      OR:    _____LAYOUT__________

                                   !    !                  /            !            !    !             !  

                                   !    !              /                !            !    !             !

                                   !    !           /                   !             !    !             !

                                   !    !       /                       !             !    !             !

                              ___!__ ! /    ^brace                !        ___!__!___        !

                              ()        ()                              !         ()          ()        !

                                                                         ^-removable prop legs--^

 

-G .

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:10 PM

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:44 PM

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Posted by wxtoad on Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:33 AM

Svein,

    You did a great job putting your set-up together.  About 35 years ago, I made a similar arrangment for my small layout.  It was no where near as good looking as yours.  I'll be eager to see the layout come to life.

 

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Posted by stokesda on Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:15 AM
 Svein wrote:

This may happen if you don't drill holes first...:

Been there, done that! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by WaxonWaxov on Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:07 AM

Nice work.

OK,

First of all, if it were me, I put larger-wheeled casters on that thing. Larger wheels will go over any kind of bump easier than those little things you have on there now.

Secondly,

I was very lucky, the layout is perfectly balanced. The hinge has no resistance at all, with a gentle tap with my finger it tilts into vertical position, the upper crossmember prevents the layout from tilting the other way.

If after you add scenery you find it is no longer blanaced, you can always add lead weights to the under side of the table to balance it out.

You might want to permanently attach a couple small, cheap levels to the edges to help get it ready to run trains. Another thought would be to add fold-out legs to the corners like a card table has to add stability while running trains.

Are you going to add a box top to it of some kind to protect the scenery?

 

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Posted by Annonymous on Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:25 AM

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:22 AM
 HarryHotspur wrote:

 loathar wrote:
Nice work! And I bet it can double as a train catapult if you push down on one side really hard!Big Smile [:D]

LOL! Sorry, but that's a funny thought. I hope he doesn't have any cats. 

Oh, I think it would work as a cat-apult too!  It might teach Miss Kitty a lesson, too.

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Posted by HarryHotspur on Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:30 AM

 loathar wrote:
Nice work! And I bet it can double as a train catapult if you push down on one side really hard!Big Smile [:D]

LOL! Sorry, but that's a funny thought. I hope he doesn't have any cats. 

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Posted by loathar on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:55 PM
Nice work! And I bet it can double as a train catapult if you push down on one side really hard!Big Smile [:D]

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