Here is the full size plan:
Industry Layout 2
Chris
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This is a little off topic but...
I made a brief visit at the site of the Brandywine Springs Amusement Park today. I saw the foundations of the funhouse, restaurant, scenic railway, and pool hall. I also saw the Chalybeate Spring, the now empty lake washington and the right of way for the trolley lines and boardwalk. Sorry but no pics as I didn't have the camera. I hope to go back soon and I'll try to get some pics.
steinjr wrote: Like this plan of the BAT I made for a thread about modelling WW2 a while back:
Like this plan of the BAT I made for a thread about modelling WW2 a while back:
The above plan included a "Liberty" ship.
The following link shows just now much traffic one Liberty could produce.
http://www.usmm.net/capacity.html
Have fun
I had an idea for the next contest. A shelf layout contest. The only size restrictions would be maximum depth and maximum length. Maybe 18" and 25'? The shelf could be curved any way you wanted.
For a theme we could do urban industrial to contrast with the 2x8 contest's theme of rural agricultural.
Any other suggestions?
exPalaceDog wrote: The following link shows just now much traffic one Liberty could produce.http://www.usmm.net/capacity.html
That is quite a prototype info find, Dog! Thank you for the link!
Smile, Stein
chadw wrote: I had an idea for the next contest. A shelf layout contest. The only size restrictions would be maximum depth and maximum length. Maybe 18" and 25'? The shelf could be curved any way you wanted.For a theme we could do urban industrial to contrast with the 2x8 contest's theme of rural agricultural.
I really like that idea!
Grin, Stein
chadw wrote: I had an idea for the next contest. A shelf layout contest. The only size restrictions would be maximum depth and maximum length. Maybe 18" and 25'? The shelf could be curved any way you wanted.For a theme we could do urban industrial to contrast with the 2x8 contest's theme of rural agricultural.Any other suggestions?
Urban Shelf layout Max 18" wide and 25' Long. I'm game. Anyone else?
Chip
Building the Rock Ridge Railroad with the slowest construction crew west of the Pecos.
chadw wrote:OK just making sure. I already got an idea of what to on this one...
LOL! I had a feeling you did.
Should staging count towards the 25' length, or is it assumed to be off layout?
SpaceMouse wrote: chadw wrote: I had an idea for the next contest. A shelf layout contest. The only size restrictions would be maximum depth and maximum length. Maybe 18" and 25'? The shelf could be curved any way you wanted.For a theme we could do urban industrial to contrast with the 2x8 contest's theme of rural agricultural.Any other suggestions?Urban Shelf layout Max 18" wide and 25' Long. I'm game. Anyone else?
The Old Flea Bag would suggest allowing multiple levels, say three levels of 18" by up 25' placed one above the other. The amount of floor space consumed would be the same but the operational potential would be much greater.
The Old Dog must also note that shelf type layouts have not done too well in previous contests. The one car garage idea might generate more interest.
I would agree with Dog, I think a space contest might be a good change of pace.
chadw wrote: In another thread Stein linked to a download for one of his plans. I liked it since it allowed you to run trains and make modifications. For the next contest we could make CAD drawn plan's software files accessible for download to others. This would make it easier to see if plans would work and it would make it easier to incorporate ideas from the contest into your own plans, you could just copy and paste track sections.
In another thread Stein linked to a download for one of his plans. I liked it since it allowed you to run trains and make modifications. For the next contest we could make CAD drawn plan's software files accessible for download to others. This would make it easier to see if plans would work and it would make it easier to incorporate ideas from the contest into your own plans, you could just copy and paste track sections.
No problem on my behalf with just sharing plans as XtrkCad (.xtc) files. As long as I won't get stuck with user support for people who download XtrkCad and can't figure out how to modify the track plans, run trains etc. Or supporting people who want the plan in a different format that matches their software or stuff like that.
How about if each designer just indicates whether he or she would be willing to give a copy of the plan file to people who request a copy ?
I wouldn't have suggested the garage idea if I didn't like it. 10 x 20 is a standard size for a garage. It should have two doors. One into the house and one outside. The garage door is also a given.
What say you?
SpaceMouse wrote: I wouldn't have suggested the garage idea if I didn't like it. 10 x 20 is a standard size for a garage. It should have two doors. One into the house and one outside. The garage door is also a given. What say you?
The Old Mutt would suggest 12' by say 24', that would give the designers a few more options. The assumption would be that the space would only be used for the layout and not continue to function as a garage???
Have fun with your trains
Later this week our garage will be cleaned out and as a result I may get a new layout space. The garage is around 18'x22' so we could use it as the basis for the contest. I can post the exact measurements and any other requirements later this week.
A standard two car garage is 20' x 20', I know cause I just built one.
Size should be generic and not specific to any one persons conditions, otherwise just state that the garage can be any size reasonable for a 2 stall setup, but that one side has to remain as a parking space, and leave it at that.
Maybe that would be an option for those who are designing around a specific space, the only caviet being that they have to declare in there description what the exact size of the space is.
I dont care if one person or the others design is 18'x22', 19'x21', or 22'x22', the concept intent remains the same.
A standard one car garage is 10 x 20. If the intention is to provide options for people, it is easier to grow a layout to fit a space than to shrink one.
I'm open to persuasion.
SpaceMouse wrote: I'm open to persuasion.
Below are some links to garage plans.
http://www.apmbuildings.com/garages.shtml
http://www.garageplansplus.com/1cargarageplans/sellsheet/dutchhip.htm
http://www.garageplansplus.com/1cargarageplans/sellsheet/101hipreturns.htm
http://www.americansteelspan.com/garagekits.html
http://www.greatgarageplans.com/1car2car3car.html
http://www.behmdesign.net/onecar.aspx
http://www.coolhouseplans.com/1_car_garage_plans/index.html
Most of them seem to be at least 12' by 20'. Som 12' by 20' MIGHT be a more realistic choice
Dog,
I have to admit I've never built a single car garage. But I have built a lot of 2-car garages. These are either 20 x 20 or 22 x 20 or larger. At any rate, the reason I picked 10 x 20 is that it represents the least common denominator. Someone can look at your ideas and expand them if they like them, but it is a heck or a lot harder to shrink them.
And if someone is going steal your ideas, then they probably have an issue with their own ability to design.
I'll grant you that 12 x 20 is common. But that is not enough. Tell me why the two extra feet are important for this contest.
I got a reason, then my bench work along the walls can be 2' with 3' isle ways and a 2' peninsula which would give me the 12' across.
Lancaster, CA
stilson4283 wrote: I got a reason, then my bench work along the walls can be 2' with 3' isle ways and a 2' peninsula which would give me the 12' across. Chris Lancaster, CA
I got a reason, then my bench work along the walls can be 2' with 3' isle ways and a 2' peninsula which would give me the 12' across. Chris
That kinda makes my point. You can do more in 12 feet--but that won't shrink to 10.
Okay, two votes for 12 feet.
Good or bad, I'll be using my current layout under construction, which is 19'-6" x 10', so for me as long as the envelope is in that range I'm OK, but it really should be a 2 stall garage. I havent seen a single stall built since the 1950s
We just built our garage, and it was 20' x 20' and that was by far the most common size according to Tuffshed, who built it. so that should be a MINIMUM size for a two staller. Anything larger is gravy.
Chip when you say 12' are you referring to a single bay, or the whole enchilada.
vsmith wrote: Chip when you say 12' are you referring to a single bay, or the whole enchilada.
Single bay. I figure most people have a least one nice car to protect.
SpaceMouse wrote:
Chip - better check your web site - got this error message trying to access your web page:
"chipengelmann.com expired on 04/28/2008 and is pending renewal or deletion"
Stein