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what do you think of these plans
Posted by marctje on Tuesday, June 6, 2023 10:41 AM

Hi everybody

as you all now i'm starting a new layout and here are the plans for the shadowstation and the layout.

 

this is the shadow station

 te gebruiken grondvlak club niveau 0 enkel stijgspoor goed plan lichte platen by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

this is the layout

 grondvlak 15+ juiste breedte 70 cm Westmalle piko a enkel spoor met diesel huis by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

 

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Posted by snjroy on Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:06 PM

Hello Marc. From what I can undestand, the first picture refers to a lower level, and the second, the main level. And the two are connected on the right side. Correct?

If this was my layout, I would allow continuous running on the main level, which can be easily done by creating a return loop on the bottom right section. 

About the two yards in your peninsulas, I see that you would need to do a lot of backing-up operations to get cars in or out. That's looking for trouble, especially in the curves. I would create more escape tracks (you have already two, I would do more).

Anyway, that's my two-cents worth.

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Posted by marctje on Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:51 PM

Thanks for the comments

My firts objective is to run trains with a purpose, thats why i dind make a continues run on the upper level. my passenger trains go only once in the station and head back to stagging on the middle penisula. the upper peninsula is dedicated to, in firts place to intermodal traffic, and second for boxcars.

The height of the two layers is about 16cm ore 6,29 inch. youre right about the track between the two levels, this as a grade of 2%.

this layout is being build to work with max. 2 people and will be dismanteld in time (about 4 to 8 years) to move to an other location.

I also want to say sorry for my englisch i'm dutch speaking and living in Belgium

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Posted by snjroy on Tuesday, June 6, 2023 4:19 PM

Ok. No need to apologize, your English is fine. The space between your levels is tight...

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Posted by jjdamnit on Tuesday, June 6, 2023 6:38 PM

Hello All,

Welkom! Welcome

Je Engels is redelijk goed.

Mijn vrouw heeft familie in Nederland. We zijn Nederlands aan het leren.

Welke schaal maak je, OO?

(Welcome!
Your English is really good.
My wife has family in the Netherlands. We are learning Dutch.
What scale?)

snjroy
The space between your levels is tight...

- -Er is weinig ruimte van bovenlaag naar onderlaag.

I don't see any problems with your track plan- -Het baanplan kent geen fouten.

Please send photos of your progress- -Stuur alstublieft foto's van uw vorderingen.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:25 PM

Would we call the Shadow Station..........Staging? 

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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, June 6, 2023 9:04 PM

The major issue I see is the hugely long single track down into stagin/shadow trackage.  I would suggest double tracking it so that you can be bringing a train "up" at the same time you are sending a train "down".

With the shadow yard ladders arranged the way they are, switches to the rear, a train on a front track will obscure the view of the switches to the rear.  An arrangement that has the switches towards the front will allow visual verification of switch postion and trains in the clear.  There are also alternative switch arrangements (diamond shaped yard) that allow for all the tracks in the yard to be near the same length.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:29 AM

BigDaddy

Would we call the Shadow Station..........Staging? 

 

Yes.


 

I agree with what Dave H (dehusman) says about the long single track between levels.  Also, if you are using something to light up indicators showing switch position in your shadow yards then I think you are fine.  If not, I agree with Dave's other statement about the arrangement of your switches.  With such tight clearances between the lower and upper level it could be really difficult to see switch position, much less change it.  I assume you have a plan for that?

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:52 AM

Hi marctje,

I assume the measurements are in CMs?

You might have a bit of difficulty reaching into the turnouts at the top of the 'shadow station' (above the center peninsula) with the tight space between the two levels. I would do a cardboard mock up of that area before starting construction.

Cheers!!

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Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, June 7, 2023 7:58 AM

Just make sure your walkways are at least 76.2 cm.

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Posted by marctje on Wednesday, June 7, 2023 12:49 PM

hallo 

tof dat je Nederlands leert. zijn jullie van plan om naar Nederland te komen?

Great that youre learning dutch. Are you planning to come to Holland?

Ik bouw in HO. I'm building HO

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Posted by marctje on Wednesday, June 7, 2023 12:58 PM

Thanks for all the ideas. I think i'm going to redraw the yards in the stagging to avoid any problems with the turnouts.

All the tables are 80 cm depht and 90 cm above the floor.

Why i'm building single track on the incline? this is because when i move to our other place i have a indoor garagebox of 28m². Now i'm trying to build something i can enjoy and in time re-use in the box with a minimum los of wood (the prices in europe are very high).  in the box i'm planning a double deck layout with a hellix (but this is still future).

So i try to keep this layout simple with lots of fun and train running (most of the time alone).

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Posted by jjdamnit on Thursday, June 8, 2023 1:10 PM

Hallo allemaal,

marctje
zijn jullie van plan om naar Nederland te komen?

In 2019 hebben we Maastricht, Valkenburg en Brunssum bezocht.

De oudoom van mijn vrouw ligt begraven op de Amerikaanse militaire begraafplaats in Maastricht.

In 2022 bezochten we Valkenburg (wielerwedstrijd Amstel Gold), daarna naar Liegè (wielerwedstrijd Liegè-Basgogne-Liegè) en Huy (wielerwedstrijd Flèche Wallonne).

Valkenburg is een prachtige stad die we graag bezoeken.

We reisden met de trein naar alle plaatsen.

Ik hoop dat dit helpt.

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Translation- -

Hello All,

marctje
Are you planning to come to Holland?

In 2019 we visited Maastrict, Valkenburg and Brunssum.

My wife's great-uncle is buried in the American military cemetery in Maastricht.

In 2022 we visited Valkenburg (Amstel Gold bicycle race) then to Liegè (Liegè-Bastogne-Liegè bicycle race) and Huy (Flèche Wallonne bicycle race).

Valkenburg is a beautiful city we enjoy visiting.

We traveled everywhere by train.

Hope this helps.

(Ik hoop Zandvoort te bezoeken om getuige te zijn van de overwinning van Max Verstappen!)

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Posted by marctje on Wednesday, June 21, 2023 10:30 AM

here's a update of work in progress

workdesk

 workdesk by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

left side with start incline

 left side and start incline by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

central view

 central view with incline by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

right side with end of inline

 right side with end of incline by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

general overview

 overzicht panorama by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

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Posted by kasskaboose on Friday, June 23, 2023 4:32 PM

It seems to me the corners might be a challenge to reach.

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Posted by marctje on Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:14 AM

that's no problem, the corners are 80 cm/31,49 inch depth

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Posted by marctje on Friday, July 28, 2023 3:12 AM

I have changed my plan for the upper part of my layout, now i don't have anymore double switch turnouts and reduce the upper loop with one turnout what would make wirring more simple with less problems. You can see the new plan below, please let me now youre thoughts.

 uitgewerkt aangepast plan bovenbaan met papierfabriek in het midden by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

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Posted by Mark B on Friday, July 28, 2023 9:07 AM

Perhaps make the access to your peninsula using a wye . That way trains traveling in either direction can switch  it. Just my thought.

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Posted by marctje on Friday, July 28, 2023 9:54 AM

Mark B

Perhaps make the access to your peninsula using a wye . That way trains traveling in either direction can switch  it. Just my thought.

Mark B.

 

This idea was already in my head when a start to drow the plan, but because the grandeur of the papermill factory i have to put my rails on the rights side of the buildings. the direction of the train is not that inportant because all the industrie on de peninsula comes and go to the yard who is clear from the main.

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Posted by dehusman on Friday, July 28, 2023 12:22 PM

It appears the operation is a "dogbone", up out of staging to a big reversing loop on the upper level.

There doesn't appear to be a place to meet two opposing trains other than in the yard, that means pretty much the trains will have to operate all the same direction when they go around the return loop or yu will have to operate trains one at a time.

Is the facility in the left hand return loop the engine facilities?  Normally the engine facilities are situated so it's easy to get between the yard and the engine facilities.  Not so much on your layout, it looks like you have to go 1/3 the way around the layout on the main to get to the engine facilites, somewhat awkward.

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Posted by marctje on Friday, July 28, 2023 2:40 PM

Dear Dehusman

I'ts like a large dogbone but with two reverse loops one on each deck one above the other on practicely the same place, this is to reduce de cabeling to the reverse module. On the diesel facility is indeed no conection to the yard and this is for enable a reverse loop on that side of the layout. Regarding the running of trains, i'm a lone star for this project, it's a private layout in a chamber of a trainclub next to the grand room where the club is building a Belgium layout with Antwerp as a focal point and in the era of 1950 to 1980, one of the eyecatchers is the Antwerp Central Station, one of worlds elegant station buildings.

For my layout i'm running single, so i can run a train ore two on the mainline in continius running and i can switch the papermill from the yard without interfearing the main line.

I hope you understand me, Englisch is not my mother language but i'm dutch speaking.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, July 28, 2023 8:00 PM

marctje
I hope you understand me, Englisch is not my mother language but i'm dutch speaking.

I am understanding you perfectly. This has been an interesting discussion. Your space is about the same as mine, and you have me thinking.

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Posted by dehusman on Friday, July 28, 2023 9:24 PM

I understand you, your English is 1000 times better than my Dutch  (which is about zero).

If you installed a crossover from the yard lead to the main you could cut the run to engine facilites by about 2/3 and it wouldn't affect the reverse loop at all.

For some reason the image got cropped but you probably can get the idea.  At the location in red, you could put a crossover to the main or a crossover to the engine lead with a diamond on the main.

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Posted by marctje on Saturday, July 29, 2023 10:28 AM

dehusman

I understand you, your English is 1000 times better than my Dutch  (which is about zero).

If you installed a crossover from the yard lead to the main you could cut the run to engine facilites by about 2/3 and it wouldn't affect the reverse loop at all.

For some reason the image got cropped but you probably can get the idea.  At the location in red, you could put a crossover to the main or a crossover to the engine lead with a diamond on the main.

 

I had already thought of that, so i tried to compensate this by adding a crossover and a three way turnout to the facility Now i can even spot a tank- or a boxcar next the dieselpump

Check the new plan

 uitgewerkt aangepast plan bovenbaan met papierfabriek in het midden aangepast diesel facility by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

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Posted by marctje on Monday, July 31, 2023 11:16 AM

marctje

 

 
dehusman

I understand you, your English is 1000 times better than my Dutch  (which is about zero).

If you installed a crossover from the yard lead to the main you could cut the run to engine facilites by about 2/3 and it wouldn't affect the reverse loop at all.

For some reason the image got cropped but you probably can get the idea.  At the location in red, you could put a crossover to the main or a crossover to the engine lead with a diamond on the main.

 

 

 

I had already thought of that, so i tried to compensate this by adding a crossover and a three way turnout to the facility Now i can even spot a tank- or a boxcar next the dieselpump

Check the new plan

 uitgewerkt aangepast plan bovenbaan met papierfabriek in het midden aangepast diesel facility by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

 

I made a new plan where i changed the yard with 2 crossovers so the train can go from the dieselhouse to the yard. In the yard i have the 2 first tracks for container loading and unloading, than 2 tracks for setting out cars for the papermill and coldstorage on the peninsula and 2 tracks for inbound and outbound trains.

What do you all think about this plan

 uitgewerkt aangepast plan bovenbaan met papierfabriek in het midden aangepast diesel facility en nieuwe yard by Marc De Groulard, on Flickr

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