the Monster is Here!!!! 3-19-06 Painting finished

[Fletch]

Sorry Ralph, I dont agree.

Ron's is about as close to the prototype as its possible to build, down to the exact details from the info that was available, we obtained some books dedicated to Price too. Even the large stack references the inservice photos of 2 of the 3 built as operated in NZ. The only thing he altered was to name the loco for his own RR...be that as it may..would it surprise you to know Ron maybe isn't an Auzzie born?

Its hard to talk about British style or otherwise on your model which I consider more an 'engineering' or 'working' model, rather than a detailed model..but even so, you didn't try to gear it per prototype, unline some of your other really exellent working models (which I really like a great deal and prefer over this one). Vic's I agree has some added US features, but is mostly down the line also.

David.

[cabbage]

What I have found interesting looking at the three models on the same page is this: Each modeller has unconsiously taken the model and produced a 'local version' of it.

Mine has distinctly English looks to it, Vics has American -it can be said that only the Yarra engine is truest to life as that is Australian. The nearest yet. But to my eyes even that loco has an Australian feel to it.

Curious -when I look at mine I can see that I have automatically styled it in the English manner. I even have an English looking Shay....

regards

ralph

[Ray Dunakin]

Wow, that Yarra Valley loco is stunning!

[vsmith]

That is such a cool model!!! mine is a pale imitaion in comparison...[:p]

One of these days I'll try doing a real driveshaft driven version. Need a small machine mill first!

edit, Never mind, I just re-read Fletchs link about the pivots and linkage, now I get it![:I]

Way Cool...I dig geared engines!!!!!!

[Fletch]

Ron Watson's can round a 2ft radius curve, 1:20.3 scale 3ft gauge (even through the prototype was 42", so Vic's is closer to scale!!!! Dont anyone ever say 22.5 or 1:24 is the wrong scale!!

Ron's is powered much like the prototype via universals and gears via long drive shafts off the central gear box, which is then powered above via another shaft from the vertical Marine engine in the cab. in Ron's case the drive shaft extends through the marine engine into the tender space, where the motor is houses. ..basically from where the marine engine is, down to the wheels follows the prototype practice. It looks and works like the original! The only difference is that Ron used worms on axle gears for each wheel, rather than Shay-like Bevell gears. Its very slow moving and very noisy with the large motor and main drive line going nuts, while the drive wheels just slowly turn over..more here:

http://4largescale.com/fletch/d30.htm





Fletch - for Ron Watson in Auz!

[FJ and G]

Vic, That's great! very creative

[cabbage]

The curve is 2 feet 6 inches radius.
I did not experiment with the pivot positions -but used mathematics!!!
The bogies are IP Engineering 'Budget Chassis" with the Italian SME pump motor fitted to them. The model is capable of a scale 4mph and has a tractive effort of 16N.

I love this locomotive with a passion -it is a real jaw dropper at Open Days watching it corner with all the bogies moving and the chains rising and falling is simply unreal. I remember when I first took it to the 'O' gauge Society meeting (it is a 16mm scale model after all..) they were less than delighted to have it on their tracks. However everyone there took at least one photo of it!!!

I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.

regards

ralph

[vsmith]

Yep Ralph you and Fletch both nailed it immediatly...I didnt count on someone decifering the b&w pic on the bench, but afterwords I looked at it and sure enough, I realized I could easily tell it was the most famous pic of the Price.

Yours looks cool, what did you use for drive bricks? and what diameter curve is that? it looks like 3 feet!

It looks like your pivot point for the double bogie is closer to the middle of the double bogie chassis than mine. ( scratch that - I just noticed on your pic that your pivot bolt is in almost the same place as mine[;)]) I tried mounting the bolt in the middle but the overhang front and rear was too much for my layout ,so I used the double bogie chassis's and a block of wood for the loco chassis mock up to test run around the layout and find the optimal pivot point to minimize overhang by running it at varius pivot points. It didnt take long to find the optimal spot for me. Using the front double bogie as a reference the pivot is about 1 inch behind the lead truck pivot mounting point, this limits the front and rear overhang while the overhang of the center of the car is more or less covered by the width of the car itself. One other advantage is that I could mount the couplers to the the double bogie mounting plate so that the coupler remains more or less centered over the rails through the R1 curves.


this pic kinda shows the coupler mount


You can see the pivot screw bolt here, the left is the front of the double bogie chassis, about 1 inch from the lead bogie mount.

[cabbage]

The obvious question is : "how did I know?"



regards

ralph

[RhB_HJ]

Vic,

That looks more proto on that R1 curve than a lot of LGB stuff we get to look at! And if it's 1:22.5 it probably is more consistently 1:22.5 than a lot of that L-Gummi-B stuff we get to look at.

Of course this is just a sneaky suspicion I have. [;)][:D][;)][;)]

[ttrigg]

Vic;

From the pictorial essay, looks like you had some serious fun. Well done.

[vsmith]

Bob I built it mostly by eye but nominally used a 1/22.5 scale ruler for overall dimensions, heights etc. 1/22.5 seamed best for my layout, matches existing rolling stock, clearances, etc etc. Besides, the original operated on 3'-6" gauge rail, so 1/22.5 is technicaly correct. even at 1/22.5 its 24" long and very tall, it will be the biggest engine on my layout.

[Capt Bob Johnson]

Now Vic, before you get HJ and TOC all frothing at the mouth; What scale is it in? L-gummi-b, 1:20.5, 1:32, 1:29, or it's own?

Far better than I could do, I hereby include a tip o the hat!

[Anonymous]

vic
where is the jet engine???? when do they go into full production ,to sell. [tup][:)]
ben

[Tom The Brat]

What a cool contraption!

Amazing what people have used for trains[:D]

[scooby1]

WOW that thing is sweet

[TonyWalsham]

I'm envious.
Nice work Vic.

[Anonymous]

Wow, Vic! What an awesome looking model! Building such beautiful beast is quite an undertaking as well. I especially liked the ‘construction log’. Thanks much for sharing the pictures and I’m really looking fwd to more!

[kimbrit]

Nice one Vic, where's the wormy things? Like the shot on the curve showing the bogies, er I mean trucks, in operation.
Cheers,
Kim

[Anonymous]

nice! really cool

[Ray Dunakin]

Sweet! Nice work so far; looking forward to seeing the finished beast.

[vsmith]

The Monster is here!

side view

Hi all, OK the beans are spilt, Ralph and Fletch at MLS both guessed it.....Its a 1912 New Zealand A.G.Price 16 wheeler. Kinda a Class A Climax on steroids! Heres the prototype!

This is an amazing looking engine I have always wanted and after the Forney deal fell thru I decided to put the lessons learned from the Class A project and the CPH project to work and go for it by scrapping a couple little engines and a pair of HLW gondolas. I call it the "Monster" because at 24" long its the biggest thing on my layout and its a real beast to carry to the layout.

Like my Climax, its more caricature than scale model but thats what I like. The idea behind the model is that the Climax Co. got the license to build the New Zealand AG Price varient in America utilizing American Climax constuction principles, a Super Class A was the result.


Some more oversize prototype pics





The Plan

The Model as of today

test run around the layout

overhead


articulation on an R1 curve

The building log:

mock up subframe-2 AC centercab bricks scrapped from 2 other lokies

mock up chassis/frame test-2 HLW Gon's spliced together

prepping the frame

drive bricks ready

Wired

chassis/frame complete

scratch built boiler-Thanks Fletch!

articulated couplers for R1 operation

overall showing rear bunker underway

More to come as I get it finished up, need to fini***he marine motor and the undercarraige gearing.
Hope you like it![:)]

PS its 10:06 pm Sunday ..here so I DID keep my promise[;)]

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Capt Bob Johnson

2112 here in the East, 1812 there in Ahnold country; high time to make the famed California flakiness shine through. Do it before dinner cause if you get too much wine with the dinner you will be totally impotent when it comes to pressing the proper keys to get er done!

I can't make Yogi Bear's "Pic a nic" table or a Barbe out of that blurry double exposure!

The car's not big enough to be carrying a bunch of Depends!

Oh, look, see the computer monitor? Vic can see the computer monitor! Did Vic make a flatcar into a mouse pad? Vic wouldn't waste a good car for that would he?

The World awaits the unveiling of the naked truth!

Well if it's stargate related, chances are flex time is the operative work.

The only clearly distinctive feature is "Red"; like a "red box". [;)][}:)][;)]

It could be an articulated leaf blower that uses "high-density, super heated rarified air" distilled from "red box marketing input". The part on the right is "the hopper" for the "input".

[Capt Bob Johnson]

2112 here in the East, 1812 there in Ahnold country; high time to make the famed California flakiness shine through. Do it before dinner cause if you get too much wine with the dinner you will be totally impotent when it comes to pressing the proper keys to get er done!

I can't make Yogi Bear's "Pic a nic" table or a Barbe out of that blurry double exposure!

The car's not big enough to be carrying a bunch of Depends!

Oh, look, see the computer monitor? Vic can see the computer monitor! Did Vic make a flatcar into a mouse pad? Vic wouldn't waste a good car for that would he?

The World awaits the unveiling of the naked truth!

[Anonymous]

its sunday night wheres the monster?

[Chompers]

SPILL 'UM!!!

I've got home work to do so i 'ant got all day!

Looks like a gondola car with a picknick table on it!

With a Barby Q on the Back

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by iandor

Vic

You obviously had too much too drink when you when you took the photo that is why your vision was blurred.


Rgds Ian

Too much?? Hell! [:0] the more I look at this thing I realize I aint had enough! [;)][:p][:D]

Be afraid...its a good day so I'm taking some pics outdoors and will spill the beans later today. Vic[8D]

[Puckdropper]

QUOTE:
It must be gua'uld and it's come through the Stargate - watch out for the wormie things!

So that's why Vic doesn't have an outdoor layout! There's too little room for it with the Stargate! How are you hiding that thing Vic, and can I see it?

[Anonymous]

Vic

You obviously had too much too drink when you when you took the photo that is why your vision was blurred.


Rgds Ian

[Capt Bob Johnson]

A monster battery car having enough power to run a quadruple headed MU unit train of sludge hauling cars (with a fan to blow the odors from the cargo load away) for a day and a half!