Carpenter Matt's Annie/Mogul bash update 5-9-06

[Anonymous]

This project started because of wanting a close to the prototype Mogul. It was suggested I bash an Annie to get one. After reviewing David Fletchers, Peter Bunce's and others Mogul logs and pictures on MLS I figured this is something I could do. The Mogul I'm building is one produced by the American Locomotive Co. Cooke Works for the Waynesburg & Washington R.R. For Prototype Photo's check out www.narrowtracks .com and click on W & W R.R.
I first blew up a print to 1:20 scale from the book Three feet On The Panhandlewhich unfortunately is out of print.



The biggest challange of this I believe will be altering the valve gear to what I believe is called a Stephenson valve gear.








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[Rastun]

You can do it Matt, No problems at all [:D]

Jack

[Anonymous]

Go go Matt,
i'm looking forward to this.I've laid my modelling trams to scrutiny.
Your turn!
My boys want me to build a bloody great big diesel before the next tram.
No worry's.No valvegear!!
Good luck!
I'll race you!
Troy

[grandpopswalt]

Matt,

I'm very anxious to see and learn how you accompli***his project. I've been planning to do the same kitbash, so what you learn will help me and others as well, please keep us posted.

Walt.

[Fletch]

Matt, can you give me a rundown of the specs from the book?
Wheel sizes, boiler diameter, cylinder size etc?

Thanks mate,
you'll have a great time with ths one.
David.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Fletch

Matt, can you give me a rundown of the specs from the book?
Wheel sizes, boiler diameter, cylinder size etc?

Thanks mate,
you'll have a great time with ths one.
David.

Drivers- 41 inches
Pilot wheels- 24 inch
Boiler diameter- unsure but 2 inch Inside diameter PVC pipe fits the print well for 1:20-
outside 2 3/8 inches on the PVC
Cylinders 13 inches X 20 inches

That's about all on the workings stuff, My plan does give locations of domes, stack, and centers on the drivers.

The steam chest on top of the cylinders are a little big on the Annie verses the plan but the cylinders themselves are extemley close and not worth rebuilding.

I'd also like to add that Jim Weinschenker the author of the second book on the W&W R.R. Narrow Gauge in Southwestern Pennsylvania is sending me some pictures of this Last surviving Mogul of the W &W R.R. for more details. I might try to cruise by and see it myself on the way to the ECLSTS.

[Anonymous]

Well I've assesed the model after stripping it down. Other then a few detail parts alot will be sent to the brown box. The cab will also be scrapped and rebuilt in wood according to the drawings.




The up side to all of this I don't really have to remember how all this went together seeings how it will never be a 4-6-0 again![:D]

Fletch, where did you get the Stepenson Valve gear kit for the MLS Masterclass?

[Anonymous]

O.k. so I didn't make it to the hobby store today for valve gear stuff. But I did breakout the cutoff wheel[:p]

First I removed the pilot wheels


Then I cut away lower slip section of boiler.


Then I cut away the bottom support and moved the cylinders back. At first thought I thought I might keep cylinders and change the steam chest but it's not possible, so I will be changing them both out with scratch built pieces.

[vsmith]

Matt I go thru cut off wheels like you wouldnt beleive, they always break. I ended getting a steel circular razor saw blade and have have much better results for plastic butchery. I still use the cutoff wheels and those disks for the finer cuts and burnishes. Good Luck.

[bobgrosh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Matt I go thru cut off wheels like you wouldnt beleive, they always break.

Try this:

Dremel disk 542
Designed to use at low speeds on plastic and wood without melting or burning.
I usually break a regular cutoff disp per coupler install. Got this 3 years ago and have used it a hundred times. Works much better on plastic than regular wheels. Lows and Home Depot both cary this.
B0B

[aljay]

Any more updates Matt? It looks impressive.

[bman36]

Hey Matt,
Quite an undertaking! I am impressed and wish you all the best on your endeavor. Keep us posted on your project. Very cool indeed. Later eh...Brian.

[Anonymous]

Since I last posted I haven't done much other than the below due to this past weekend bathroom remodel starting at home. Easier with 3 out of 5 women gone[:p]. also I thought the misses took the digital camera.

I cut out my boiler to fit and cut out the old smoke unit mounting post and glued them in. Sorry for the blurry picture

Here's the test fit of the whole thing. I'm trying to put it together with disassembly in mind for later.



I have also aquired the necessary supplies to start building the new valve gear both in styrene and or brass[;)]

[Anonymous]

Quote: 'This project started because of wanting a close to the prototype Mogul. It was suggested I bash an Annie to get one.' !!!!!!!!

This is a very interesting project Matt, but I'm a little horrified and nervous about your methods.

Cheers,

Annie

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by LocoAnnie



This is a very interesting project Matt, but I'm a little horrified and nervous about your methods.

Cheers,

Annie

Annie, thats what hacksaws and hammers were made for [:D][:p][;)]
Afterall it is called kit BASHING[;)][:0]

Right Matt? From one Mad plastic surgeon to another[:p][;)][:o)][8)]

[underworld]

carpenter matt Looking great! [:)]

bobgrosh That wheel looks like it means business....thanks for the tip!

underworld

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[Anonymous]

I have been spending time shopping and more or less looking at and or fitting parts. Here's what I have going on so far. Cylinders are on and coming back off to make an adjustment for clearence of the mainrod and valve gear.. But It WORKS[:p]!

Thanks to Fletch's e-mail I figured out what to do correct my binding even if I am terminology challenged on Valve gear part names[:I]



Today is the first day this loco has ever seen power[:0] You would think I would have ran it before cutting it up to ensure that it works first[X-)][:I][D)]

[kstrong]

Looking good, Matt. Did you ever get a copy of the Gazette article? I've got it here if you didn't.

Later,

K

[Anonymous]

Thanks Kevin, no I did not get the gazatte article,it's on my list of things to do like subscribe to the gazette which I've been saying I'm going to do for along time. Jim Weinschenker did send me pictures on a CD which have been aiding me wonderfully in the build.

[Anonymous]

UPDATE, Well kinda... I've been busy at work lately and haven't had a whole lot

of modeling time. The one night I did set a side time for the loco I ended up

blowing out the styrene while trying to drill the hole to mount the pilot wheels,

this was a minor set back, but major at the time of occurence so I quit for the

evening and walked away. I have since rebuilt that blown up piece and I'm

begining the building of the steam chest.

[vsmith]

Matt

Good to see your getting back to it. look forward to more progres pics.

[Anonymous]

How is this progressing Matt?

[Anonymous]

Troy, Very slowly, The steam chest are built but not glued down. As soon as I glue them them down the cylinder assembly will be painted and mounted. i wanted to also color the crossheads with gun blueing. I need to install boiler bands as well.
Then I want to make some saddles for my domes, oh I guess I need to make them too!

[Anonymous]

All part of the fun Matt.
I'm having some serious problems with my new build.Not impossible but a pain none the less.Good to hear you have not given up!

[mgast]

Ahhh HAAA!

There is another page!!!!

I'll be posting my progress here also.

Marc

[Anonymous]

Well it's been a while since I updated this although not much has happened.

The steam and sand domes have been worked out with PVC pipe from home depot. Please note they are not glued up as of yet. Please also note that the boiler bands have been installed.



Ineed to work out the pilot now and the pilot wheels I changed something along the way and pilot mounting point is now in between the pilot wheel flanges and needs to apparently be raised, I guess that's the problem with not working on them more you tend to forget how they were[%-)]
I am amazed with the amount of thought and time put into each step and tracking down the right part or material to make it happen[:0]

[Anonymous]

That's the joy of it Matt.
Totally immodest I know,but when I run the trams I still wonder sometimes how I had the patience to build them from nothing.I won't touch any building now until autumn sets in.
I love the white and gold.shame that engines were so messy that that colour scheme wasn't a viable option.
Good work.

[vsmith]

Matt, Troy

Just keep at it, one day you look at it and realize, "Hey, its done", I dont know why but usually the next thought is "Well, that was easy!" then promptly forgetting all the hastles and frustrations you encountered on this project, you jump right into the next project.

[Anonymous]

Matt that is outstanding work!!!! I am glad that you prowess extends beyond the realm of wood.

I am looking forward to the end product!!!

[Anonymous]

Thanks Guys! Your absolutely right!

Capt, That's why I keep putting of ther wood cab!