RhB_HJ _ Lay out design GRR

[Anonymous]

Did you get your Fax?

[vsmith]

"......Just the Fax, Ma'am!..."



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[Anonymous]

What is the Aussie equivalent of Rhode Island and why is it.

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bluebonnet - 71

Did you get your Fax?

Bill,

Yes it got here. Sent you an email regarding the Problem.

[RhB_HJ]

If at first you don't succeed.........

Well gang.............. the FAX got here, is printed and now the fun can begin.

Have I ever mentioned that I use CADrail for doodling?

What's doodling?, you ask.
It's that process when we sketch free hand all kinds of "fancy" trackplans and then realize that it can't possibly fit because the curves are too tight, the turnouts too short and the grades too steep.
Soooooooo instead of doing that I figured it is just as easy to use CADrail, establish a minimum radius, size of turnouts and maximum grades.
Better chance of getting even a preliminary design that will work.

[vsmith]

Be kinda nice if we knew WHAT THE HECK this topic is about??????

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[Anonymous]

The fax is a GRR I sent Hans to see if he can CADrail it for me.
Me being a non-dooder type he is giving his free time to help me.

Hans, Thank you Sir. [:)]

PS I think he wanted to post it later Mr. Smith....

[Anonymous]

I am still working on my track plan for Area 3 and I am coming up against one small problem after another and am overcoming them as I go, I do not think you would have a hope of doing it theoretically alone. These problems do not include placement of points or tight curves were ok on those but other things are causing me a number of interesting problems and it is these things that make this hobby so interesting. The amount of skills needed are quite incredible. Gradient is importand as this area 3 layout is a double dogsbone crossing over itself three times please see page page 25 of "Garden Railroading"

For instance I have a small odd shaped area of way, that has a gradient of 4 %, is 500 mm (18") long X 300 mm (12") wide and it is about 100 mm (4") above ground level. To complicate things, it will have two converging track running side by side and a crossover track including two LGB left hand sets of points (switches) with a trailing arrangement. One track has a 1.1M (43") radius and the other is straight. and then they will both curve in the opposite direction with an external radius of again 1.1 m and again climbimg at 4 %.

Many ideas have gone through my head as how to do it, many ways will work but what would be the best for me? Well I have gone for cribbing and i will pack the whole area up with crusher fines and cribbing. This is important to me to have to whole thing stable and absolutely correct considering the pernickity nature of points and the fact that the positioning of this section is crucial it must be correct and true before I go on with the rest of the layout or none of it will work. ie height and positioning both lateral and lengthways is crucial to the whole layout.

Any one interested in seeing a photograph of this subject, please contact me by email [e-mail] and i will send you a copy of a few photos that will explain the whole thing.

Regards
Ian

[RhB_HJ]

Hey Vic,

I was trying to see if the smog cleared in LA... [;)][}:)][:D]

Can't just willy-nilly go and post Bluebonnet's info, but now I can.





That's the sketch of Phase I which "plays" in modern times i.e. curves need to be large enough that the "monsters" run OK and look reasonable.
My guesses:
minimum radius is 6.25ft on the main.
turnouts are #6 in the main areas.

Now Bluebonnet needs to state what the length and the width is.

[Anonymous]

With all the turnouts no wonder Bluebonnet is researching the computer controlled setup.

[Anonymous]

There is more plans than that [}:)][:D][}:)][:)]
Oh yes, did I say that I am giving up my 1st born child for this?[;)]

[vsmith]

Well now I know![;)]

I would guess the overall requires area dimensions at say...15' wide by 45' long,

...am I close?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bluebonnet - 71

There is more plans than that [}:)][:D][}:)][:)]
Oh yes, did I say that I am giving up my 1st born child for this?[;)]

Good trade[}:)][:D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith


I would guess the overall requires area dimensions at say...15' wide by 45' long,

...am I close?

We will have to see what the Artist HJ comes out with.
I always told the artist "just do it" and every thing has alway come out fine.
But some people are hard to please, not me....unless it is my b-day or christmas given presents, if it ain't on the list, then I need the purchase ticket.
Just FYI, for years after years I got crap that I don't need, etc...and could not sell at a garage sale if I wanted to for $0.25.
So I bought a book "For Packrats Only" By Don Aslett now I find that old stuff and poof is gone, good book [:D]

[RhB_HJ]

Hi all,

OK here's the first CADrail doodle. When comparing to Bluebonnets sketch please read the notes below the doodle.





Notes:

1. The original sketch has a real operational bottle neck at the station/switching area.

2. The track as it was drawn had two reverse loops connecting to the bottle neck (real fun).

3. I haven't drawn in the tunnels and bridges, yet. Let's just say tunnels on a curve and a grade are an open invitation for "Murphy".

4. The trackplan has been unwound to provide to ovals with partially overlapping trackage.

5. A Wye has been added close to the station/switching area to turn trains and/or equipment when necessary

6. The passing sidings have been placed to have somewhat of a balance of mainline between stations.

7. The arrival/departure tracks in the freight yard are 20ft long ( engine and 12 cars)

8. Special attention given to placing switching areas to the perimeter (where possible), for easy access!

9. Minimum radius 7.5ft except some switching sidings. as long as smaller engines are being used for wayfreights and in the yard this will work fine. Most trunouts are #6, some switching sidings are Aristo Large radius.

10. The grid is 5ft! The layout is 120ft long by 50ft wide

11. Lots of room left for structures, industries and access path. Remember you got to be able to get at things to maintain, clean and rectify problem. "Murphy" will always strike where you can't easily get to.

12. Water features, bridges etc. etc. to follow in next installment.

Operations: continuous running with 3 trains, independent switching of yard, wayfreight starting from yard going North (top of drawing) over the Hi-Line switching all trailing moves of industries, turns at lower station and returns to yard switching rest of industries. Of course the same routine can be followed starting North on the Lo-Line.

Looking forward to the comments![;)][:)]

BTW now we need to know what the industries are! Mind you I have a fairly good idea what I'd put in there to make switching interesting and have a certain shipping/receiving balance.

Oh for those who wondered why all that room with the BIG curves. Bluebonnet wants a modern railway with large motive power and I'm a firm believer that you plan accordingly.[;)][:)]
I leave the [banghead][banghead][banghead] to those with more robust heads.[;)][:)]

[RhB_HJ]

Addendum:

All the track is Aristo standard sizes, or fractions there of, with very few exceptions.

Of course this would look better with flex track! If I get the time I'll doodle it with flex track on the mainline instead of the fixed radii.

[Anonymous]

WOW that wye sure makes it more better.
Petrochemical, like I have been speaking of. Might have to get Marty to give me some tips.
Very large area I like that! [:D]
Now, I think I would have to see it "in place" (temp) for other ideas......ugh

[Anonymous]

Rhode Island is neither a "Road" nor an "Island." It is our nation's smallest state. Rhode Island and Providence Plantations is an old colony.

I live in Texas, the Largest State (we of Texas have never fully recognized the existance of...Alaska!).

We, Texans, do have one of the shortest pledges to the flag...

"Honor the Texas Flag, I pledge alleigenace to thee,
Texas, one and Indvisible."

Oh, and by the way...

Yeeeeee-haw!

[Anonymous]

I checked again the 120' x 50' and it will work.
Will post photos of the land some time when I get the spikes in the dirt.

[Anonymous]

Yeah well Joe mate, the Answer is "Tasmania" as it is an island state and our smallest,
the purpose of this is to indicate that other countries have states besides the United Ones. I live in Queensland our second largest some 700,000 square miles how does Texas like that mate!
Ian

[Anonymous]

Hans: Iam being meak here but can you do a Cad for me on my Area 3 which is under construction at the moment. I can send you a photograph of my drawing and the layout itself to date or I can post a full size drawing to you the mail does go from Australia to Canada still I think!


Rgs Ian

[bman36]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bluebonnet - 71

I checked again the 120' x 50' and it will work.
Will post photos of the land some time when I get the spikes in the dirt.

Hey there,
That is one ambitious project my friend! Marty Cozad is the guy to talk to on BIG modern mainline running. People marvel at our 18x35 garden. Yours would send them into the ER! [:O] ZAP!!! Just how much land do you live on??? This will definately be one to watch. All the best. Later eh...Brian. [:D]

[Anonymous]

Brain,

I have 10 acres.

[vsmith]

120' x 50' [:0] [?]

Wow was I off! Gues I've been working indoors too long now! [:D]

looks good so far, looking forward to seeing its progress.[8D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith


Wow was I off! Gues I've been working indoors too long now! [:D]

I been working outside for 3 yrs about 12 hours a day and it seems that the summer just keeps geting hotter?????!!!!!!

Update @ hompage, just some photos. http://santafetx.tripod.com/

Have not had a chance to take digital photos of staked land 120x50. [:(]

[Anonymous]

Hans,

I would like to hear you and everones input as to any and everything to add to the Phase I.
Even Rene, if she has cought up with paper work by now [;)] or she might be searching for a screen saver of the Falls [:D]

[Anonymous]

Hi iandor
Don't think he will like sandgroper territory much iether[:D]
Looking at the track plans presented here I think I will stick with my simple loop and siding arrangement which will eventualy be conected to a larger
simple loop and siding arrangement out the back.
With an offshoot into the laundry for storage and a little bit of indoor scenery indulgence.
regards John

[Anonymous]

Hi guys,
Simple is best for me, apart from which SWMBO would bury me in the garden if I tried to take any more than I have. Saying that, the widest part is about a yard for a passing loop and a couple of spurs. In my garden CAD stands for 'Can And Do'
Cheers,
Kim
[tup]

[bman36]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bluebonnet - 71

Brain,

I have 10 acres.

Wow, that's a lot of land for a Garden RR. We have our eye on about 5 acres north of the city. Ohhhhhh the possibilities! Gotta' concentrate on getting my 18x35 area up and running. Been two years already. Finally getting things the way we like it. Have to build a gate for the backlane to close off our yard. Then I'll lay track. Had it all down once already to see how things shape up. Don't want to leave it there until things are more secure. Later eh...Brian.

[Anonymous]

OK.....[|(]