Lionel collector, stuck in an N scaler's modelling space.
Jeez Frank - I saw 2 or 3 at York last Friday since I thought my brother was looking for one (he wasn't - I got mine last spring).
Mine came from here (they just had the one, but it's been awhile):
Potomac Trading Post & Antique
(301) 949-5656
You might also try this place - I got some nice boxed pre-war for an excellent price:
Land Of Toys
And these people are my favorite to deal with:
Carver's-Toyland
I'm more than happy to keep my eye out for you too...
Frank,
Give Dave at Toy Train Heaven a call. His number is: 360-576-1602. Call between 9:00AM-7:00PM West coast time. I bought a 736 berk with a 2671W from him for only $175. He is a nice person to deal with, because he doesn't have that attitude that some store owners and parts dealers sometimes have. His prices are very reasonable also.
1688torpedo wrote: Frank- Sounded like Jim was rude to you there. Next time I go there I'll check & see if he has any 221s around. They are not hard to find around here & I do not understand why Jim would ask you to write him a letter instead when you're on the phone? Maybe he had a hard day or something else happened? Anyway, If I see a 221 somewhere I'll let you know. Take Care.
Frank- Sounded like Jim was rude to you there. Next time I go there I'll check & see if he has any 221s around. They are not hard to find around here & I do not understand why Jim would ask you to write him a letter instead when you're on the phone? Maybe he had a hard day or something else happened? Anyway, If I see a 221 somewhere I'll let you know. Take Care.
not to give teh wrong impression. I called and he was too busy - said to call back in a few hours. Called back and asked about a 221 - he said he had one that had no tender and two others that he wasn't sure if they even ran. I was looking for one with a tender that was runnable.
I then explained to him what I was looking - decent post war material that was in good to very good condition - had all the parts, little or no rust, play wear and scuffs ok, dents and gouges not ok.
So I started running down the list - have any New Haven freight cars. Just one, but it's mint in box, and don't want that - you just want what everybody else want's rare stuff at cheap prices.
Well actually no, seeing as how I never mentioned price, and New Haven freight isn't exactly rare. What I want is some runnable post war trains for which I am more than willing to pay a more than fair price.
I told him I was also interested in New York Central and PRR freight cars, at which point he said the best thing to do was write him a letter - no email - a letter.
I guess this is what I will never understand about a hobby shop owner. HSO has money tied up in stuff collecting dust on his shelves. Buyer calls with money to send to him, and it becomes a contest, or he is annoyed that someone is trying to buy something.
I have a real appetitie for certain post war material, and it is by no means rare. If someone has the type of stuff I am seeking, they could probably thousands of dolars wiorth of the the stuff to me. After all, there isn't going to be a day when I buy a $1000 modern engine. The money I don't spend on the latest and greatest is just sitting and waiting for some reasonably conditioned, fairly (or so) priced post war.
However if you do come across a better than ok 221 with a tender, preferably in gunmetal, but I would settle for black, I would be interested and would owe you at least a favor.
Well as I expected the bidding wars on E-Bay cranked up on the NYC GP9 I am tracking. They are close to the price of a brand new one at Trainworld. The one on E-Bay is also brand new, but the way the price is climbing you'd think it had solid gold metal parts on it. ACK!!!!
Dep
Virginian Railroad
traindaddy1 wrote:I have a Lionel steam 2-6-4 engine #2035 and would like to get another engine to compliment it (same era and type but different enough so that they don't look like twins) Any suggestions, as always, greatly appreciated.
Since the 2035 is based on the PRR K4, perhaps a Williams GG1 (I got new at a train show for $150.) or some other Williams PRR type engine. Lionel also has a PRR RS3 for about $70. retail that looks quite nice "in person" (awful in the catalog), that I also have. Joe
Frank53 wrote: 1688torpedo wrote:Hello All! Frank- I'm surprised Jim had no 221s. I've seen them plenty of times at the Trading Post. If I see one at a show or shop., I'll let you know. I guess this is Murphy's Law at work. When you look for something you will not find it, If you're not looking then you will see a thousand of them around at different places. Take Care. was kinda wierd - he didn't much seem interested. While I never mentioned price to him he said I just wanted what everybody else wanted - rare stuff at cheap prices. Gee thanks. He told me to write him a letter and let him know the stuff I was looking for. I offered to send him an email, he said he didn't do email - write a letter. All I wanted to do was buy some trains - shame on me, huh?
1688torpedo wrote:Hello All! Frank- I'm surprised Jim had no 221s. I've seen them plenty of times at the Trading Post. If I see one at a show or shop., I'll let you know. I guess this is Murphy's Law at work. When you look for something you will not find it, If you're not looking then you will see a thousand of them around at different places. Take Care.
was kinda wierd - he didn't much seem interested. While I never mentioned price to him he said I just wanted what everybody else wanted - rare stuff at cheap prices. Gee thanks.
He told me to write him a letter and let him know the stuff I was looking for. I offered to send him an email, he said he didn't do email - write a letter.
All I wanted to do was buy some trains - shame on me, huh?
Hmmm...looks like the Grinch has been turned loose early this Christmas. Heck...I WANT RARE STUFF AT CHEAP PRICES!!! I have yet to hear anyone ask for common stuff at exorbitant prices.
Actually, feedback on E-Bay is pretty meaningless for judging a seller...
The biggest flaw of eBay's feedback system is the risk of retaliation. You leave negative or neutral feedback for someone, and they will — without considering the circumstances or who's at fault — do the same for you. That is the fear, and that is the reason why many people simply let problems slide.
Even worse...
The E-bay system protects the major sellers in that if they are given one or two negative feedbacks, it is but a tiny fraction of a percentage of their overall rating. They can still boast a superior rating even though they may be scamming everyone of their buyers.The buyer is indeed threatened with a negative feedback but for the buyer it is a bigger problem. If the buyer only has 10 transactions a negative feedback, which is now 10% of his rating, can put him in the pool of "personas non gratas" in the E-bay community. He is now a pariah. E-bay's system in inherently unfriendly and unfair to the buyers and eventually this will be the undoing of E-bay. Their complete disregard of the customer, or buyer in this case, will create a culture of bad sellers only who know they can get away with anything on E-bay since E-bay will protect them.
RR Redneck wrote:Y'all can take your chances on eBay. I have gotten burned on there not once, not twice, but three consecutive times. I am never buyin from there again.
I agree....it's definitely a "last resort" for me. But occasionally they have something that simply isn't available anywhere else. I set price limits for myself as far as how much I am willing to "gamble" on E-Bay. If the bidding exceeds my preset limit, I pass on it. No way will I use PayPal for ANYTHING.Way too many horror stories about that outfit.
Frank53 wrote: 1688torpedo wrote:Hello Traindaddy! Call Jim at the Trading Post in Cleveland,Ohio at: 1-216-661-7300. He has plenty of Postwar Lionel looking for a good home & a layout to romp around on. Jim also accepts Layaway & his prices are reasonable too! Hope this helps. Take care. gave it a whirl - no 221.
1688torpedo wrote:Hello Traindaddy! Call Jim at the Trading Post in Cleveland,Ohio at: 1-216-661-7300. He has plenty of Postwar Lionel looking for a good home & a layout to romp around on. Jim also accepts Layaway & his prices are reasonable too! Hope this helps. Take care.
gave it a whirl - no 221.
Here's one on E-bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/221-PREWAR-LIONEL-STREAMLINE-ENGINE-WOW_W0QQitemZ200040403979QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4145QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Holy smokes!!! Just got confirmation that my Berkshire order has SHIPPED! Western Depot sure has FAST service!!!
Just put in an order for an MTH NYC Berk from The Western Depot. Poof!!! Another grand hit on the VISA card. Dang thing is melting away.
I'm tracking a couple of NYC GP9s on E-Bay, but I don't hold much hope for them. Curse the vultures!!!!
jaabat wrote: jefelectric wrote:I know you guys like the old Lionel, but did you know that you can buy a NEW Williams Berk for $200.00.$200 for a new Williams Berk is a greap price. They usually sell for $250 - $300. I have several Williams locomotives and enjoy them all. There are some very real benefits to purchasing a Williams over a post war Lionel. Mainly the warranty and the out-of-the-box like new condition. But there is something about owning a vintage Lionel, and watching one pull a train around my layout always makes me smile.Jim
jefelectric wrote:I know you guys like the old Lionel, but did you know that you can buy a NEW Williams Berk for $200.00.
That is what Marty at Ma & Pa Junction sells them for, last time I looked he only had one in stock, but if you are interested give him a call as the list isn't always up to date.
http://www.mapajunction.com/
Great guy.
Like Dep mentions; it all depends on what you can afford or are willing to pay for an item. I bought an MTH T1 Reading 4-8-4 a few months ago for $1000.00 because it was something that I was after, not too many 4-8-4's were made by most of the companies, maybe ten years ago a T1 Northern was made by Lionel-not sure if it had a sound system or not. Mainly Berkshires or Hudsons are made because the real ones were more plentiful through out the US.
Mainly I won't spend that much on a locomotive. I have an S-2 steamer by Williams that runs good and pulls a lot. I have a GG-1 semi-scale by K-Line, green with gold stripes.
Lee F.
Modeling the Baltimore waterfront in HO scale
jaabat wrote: Deputy wrote: . . . I also bought the MTH S2 as well as have the Lionel 671 re-release (Century Series) S2 on order. You DON'T want to know what the Lionel one cost. . . . Dep Yes we do! Hey Dep, Spending your kid's inheritence? Jim
Deputy wrote: . . . I also bought the MTH S2 as well as have the Lionel 671 re-release (Century Series) S2 on order. You DON'T want to know what the Lionel one cost. . . . Dep
. . . I also bought the MTH S2 as well as have the Lionel 671 re-release (Century Series) S2 on order. You DON'T want to know what the Lionel one cost. . . .
Yes we do!
Hey Dep,
Spending your kid's inheritence?
Jim
Jim,
Hehehe...WHAT kids????
I just got married this year and NO kids are planned. I'm 57. Do the math and you'll see that I wouldn't be around for most of their lives.
Actually, I got a pretty good price for the Lionel 671. $899 brand new in the box. Most of them are going for well over a grand IF you can find them.
Deputy wrote:. . . I also bought the MTH S2 as well as have the Lionel 671 re-release (Century Series) S2 on order. You DON'T want to know what the Lionel one cost. . . . Dep
phillyreading wrote: Like jefelectric mentioned you can buy a new Williams Berk or Pennsy S-2 steamer for close to $200.00. I bought the Pennsy S-2 and would buy another if I could afford any more train stuff lately or will trade my DCS (the hand held says DCS 3.10)system for a Williams Berk. I like the old post war stuff, but a new Williams is almost as good. Williams uses metal gears on the motors and trucks so the gears don't wear out that quick, also no electronics inside to jack up the price! Lee Fritz
Like jefelectric mentioned you can buy a new Williams Berk or Pennsy S-2 steamer for close to $200.00. I bought the Pennsy S-2 and would buy another if I could afford any more train stuff lately or will trade my DCS (the hand held says DCS 3.10)system for a Williams Berk.
I like the old post war stuff, but a new Williams is almost as good. Williams uses metal gears on the motors and trucks so the gears don't wear out that quick, also no electronics inside to jack up the price!
Lee Fritz
Hmmmm...I am of the opposite opinion. I've been hunting an MTH NYC Berkshire for two days and finally located one. It cost $1,000 samolies. I will probably order it today, since they are almost unobtainable. I also bought the MTH S2 as well as have the Lionel 671 re-release (Century Series) S2 on order. You DON'T want to know what the Lionel one cost.
I don't consider the price "jacked up" for having Protosound or Lionel's sound system. I think the extra options in the more expensive trains are worth the extra $$$$. Heck....it all depends on what you can afford and how realistic you want to get
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