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Williams 2530 repo of the Lionel baggage car,,issues

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Williams 2530 repo of the Lionel baggage car,,issues
Posted by KRM on Monday, September 12, 2022 4:05 PM

I thought I scored a great deal on a Williams 2530 repo of the Lionel baggage car to go with the 2500 series passenger cars I got in a package deal. Thing looks great,,,,,,,,,,,BUT it un-couples on curves, it also derails over Lionel road crossings and switches ??? Any ideas? I could sure use some help on this one? Huh? one coupler hangs kind of low the other is spot on but place it either way and they still un-hook?? I have looked at everything and just don't get it. I am pulling the four car set. My min curve is a MARX 34"  Bang Head Bang Head

 

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Posted by pennytrains on Monday, September 12, 2022 5:09 PM

I have exactly the same problem with my Williams NYC heavyweights.  Short of replacing the trucks with die cast Lionels (or using zip ties), I haven't found a viable solution.

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Posted by philo426 on Monday, September 12, 2022 5:13 PM

I agree !even on 0-42  curves the Heavyweights seem to have a great deal of rolling friction and require more voltage than should be the case.

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Posted by KRM on Monday, September 12, 2022 5:15 PM

pennytrains

I have exactly the same problem with my Williams NYC heavyweights.  Short of replacing the trucks with die cast Lionels (or using zip ties), I haven't found a viable solution.

 

 

Penny, I also wonder if it has something to do with the fact I am running O27 profile track??? Huh?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 8:05 AM

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pennytrains

I have exactly the same problem with my Williams NYC heavyweights.  Short of replacing the trucks with die cast Lionels (or using zip ties), I haven't found a viable solution.

 

 

 

 

Penny, I also wonder if it has something to do with the fact I am running O27 profile track??? Huh?

 

I've kind of had the same problem (rolling resistance) with the Williams heavyweights I've got.  Lubricating the axles with Tri-Flow solved the problem, they roll much easier now. 

As far as uncoupling during the runs I've never had that problem with Williams cars but have had it with others, including Lionels.  Since I don't do any switching I just locked them shut with cable ties to solve the problem.

I don't think your using 027 profile track should make a difference unless you're running the trains through 027 curves which you said you're not.  Just so everyone knows  Williams specified 031 minimum curves on most of their product line.  From personal experience I can say sometimes  you can get away with running 031 minimum engines and cars through 027 curves, but not always.  

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Posted by KRM on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:09 AM

Trucks are lubed and run free. Couplers are solid and don't open up. Cable ties will do no good. They just slip out of the Lionel couplers going around a curve. I have never seen trucks like these?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 11:49 AM

Here is the truck of the Williams Heavyweight passenger car.  

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Posted by KRM on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 12:21 PM

Thanks but this is Not a heavyweight 6 wheel car it is a repro of the 1955 Lionel 2500 series passenger cars. The Lionel baggage car has no-lite and has a 490-1 Lionel truck like this. I have seen this style truck on other Williams 2530 baggage cars listed on E-bay but never seen the ones on my car?

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 12:27 PM

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 12:29 PM

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 1:40 PM

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I have never seen trucks like these?

Me neither! On anything. Those are darned unusual!  

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Posted by KRM on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 5:31 PM

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I have never seen trucks like these?

 

Me neither! On anything. Those are darned unusual!  

 

After looking they seem to be correct for Williams Golden Memories around 1980, Maybe even in the Kit form?

No matter,,,,,they SUCK!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 5:41 PM

Becky's probably right, replace them with Lionel trucks and couplers.

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Posted by pennytrains on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 6:33 PM

KRM

 

 
pennytrains

I have exactly the same problem with my Williams NYC heavyweights.  Short of replacing the trucks with die cast Lionels (or using zip ties), I haven't found a viable solution.

 

 

 

 

Penny, I also wonder if it has something to do with the fact I am running O27 profile track??? Huh?

 

Mine have uncoupled on O27 (27"), O31 and O31 RealTrax.  They uncouple from themselves as often as they uncouple from my Rail King Dreyfuss no matter how wide the radius and how straight and flat the track is.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 4:05 PM

pennytrains

I have exactly the same problem with my Williams NYC heavyweights.  Short of replacing the trucks with die cast Lionels (or using zip ties), I haven't found a viable solution.

 

Stranger and stranger.  I've got two sets of Williams heavyweights and I've never had a problem with them uncoupling.  I have had uncoupling issues with freight cars of various makes, Lionel, Atlas, and Menards for example. As I said earlier I went the cable tie route to solve the problem. 

As an aside, I've never had uncoupling issues with MTH cars of any kind. 

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Posted by Leverettrailfan on Thursday, September 15, 2022 8:51 PM

I have a Williams heavyweight that I think is of this same type- a PRR observation, it has the solid plastic couplers and seems to be reproducing the old Lionel design.
My best guess is that somehow the couplers are able to wiggle up and down? As in, there's play in the pivot of the coupler that allows it to move vertically.
Initial thoughts are to see if you can reduce any sort of play like that. I'll have to check out my car at some point to see if that helps me understand what's going on. I haven't had issues with mine, but it isn't mating with another solid coupler williams car so that might not tell me much.

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