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Some tinplate live steam action!
Posted by emdmike on Saturday, March 21, 2020 5:09 PM

Running some vintage live steam while staying safe at home.  Both engines are from Bassett-Lowke in the UK.  Both are alcohol fired pot boilers and are pulling newer LMS tinplate coaches from Darstaed. First up is my old Enterprise, available from the mid 1920's up thru the 50's mine dates from the end of the production run and has seen little use as shown by no wear in the motion or axle bearing holes.  Second video is the Mogul, engine has been restored at some time, the tender is the original finish. I have not managed to date this one yet as it also had a very long production run, along with being reissued by Corgi in 1999/2000(those are different and require more fine scale track).  You want a vintage one if you wish to run on tinplate track.  The Mogul has a throttle/direction lever thru the cab roof, the Enterprise depends on the load its pulling to temper/control its speed.  Both have a schrill steam whistle.   Enjoy!  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSpTUu1Qa88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-3nDGXGg3E

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 21, 2020 9:12 PM

Great stuff!  Love that blue glow under the boilers from the burners!  And that exhaust steam from the stack is as real as it gets! 

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Posted by emdmike on Saturday, March 21, 2020 9:53 PM

Along with the smells of hot oil, steam and fuel burning, the chuffing is genuine and not some fangled digital sound card.  Just have to deal with oily mess they become after running with a gentle wipe down while still warm.  Just part of the fun, and to think they gave these things to young boys to run on the living room floor back in those years.  And being expensive as they were, they were being run in really really nice homes on hardwood floors and rugs!    Mike the Aspie

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:01 PM

Yeah Mike, I know, it's hard to imagine in this hyper-cautious-with-kids and lawsuit happy age we live in kids decades ago actually playing with toys like yours.  Different time indeed.

Or maybe the idea of a "trip to the woodshed" if they fouled up royally and set the living room on fire made them especially  cautious?  

Or possibly it was really like those old magazine illustrations where Dad grabs on to the Lionel trains and Junior never  gets to run 'em?   I can see it! 

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Posted by emdmike on Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:09 AM

I suspect the dad's that could afford these back then were seldom home and nannies raised the children.   A very different time back then if you could afford these trains.  

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:41 PM

The toys being sold at toy stores even in the '60's would be considered far too dangerous now a days. I remember Model rockets, airplane motors, and all sorts of things being sold to any kid with the money. I purchased a mini jet engine powered with solid fuel. This was my brief model rocket days.

A friend at school and I would make rockets out of tightly rolled paper, and packed solid with match heads, which can be surprisingly explosive. We would have contests. This all stopped when a classmate lost two fingers.

sorry about the downer. I'm lovin' those engines !!!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:54 PM

Me too!  Estes model rocket engines!

When I was in college I used to take empty Garcia y Vega plastic cigar tubes (I loved cigars back then!) fill 'em with black powder, and an Estes model rocket motor was a perfect fit in the tube.  Glued on some fins an voila!  Home-made surface to air missile!  Made a nice BOOM when the parachute popper charge went off!  

I left a foot wide powder stain on a water tower with one!  Lasted for years!  Whistling

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:51 PM

You are like me. Sometimes I consider myself very lucky to have survived my childhood unscathed.....

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Posted by emdmike on Sunday, March 22, 2020 6:25 PM

We swam were we probably shouldn't, roamed the streets till the street lights came on with not adults with us.  We all did stuff that parents do not let their kids do today.  But we are all still here and probably a bit wiser and smarter from it.  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:38 PM

Postwar Paul

You are like me. Sometimes I consider myself very lucky to have survived my childhood unscathed.....

Paul

 

Well Paul, you, Mike and I probably have one thing in common, there's a big difference between crazy and stupid!  Know enough not to cross the line and you'll be OK!  Wink  

I've still got all my original parts.  Most of 'em still work too!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, March 23, 2020 8:04 PM

I once put a D engine in a tiny rocket with the nosecone taped down tight.  I found it sticking straight up in the middle of a gravel road.  Smile, Wink & Grin  Who says paper tubing can't stand extreme G's!  Whistling

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, March 23, 2020 8:10 PM

emdmike
Just have to deal with oily mess they become after running with a gentle wipe down while still warm.

You know, I was just reading an article by Jeff Young in the Garden Railways mag from December 2009 today.  In the "Raising Steam" column under the heading "The collective wisdom of live-steam hobbyists" he mentions using "Harley Davidson's Harley Spray Cleaner and Polish" sprayed on a soft shop towel.  Says it "picks up the grime and leaves a nice shine on the engine that would make any old-time engine wiper proud."

By the way, I recently ordered this back issue because it has an article on a Disney themed layout: "Adventures in Anaheim-The Castle Peak & Thunder Railroad."

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:44 AM

I missed that issue. But, it would be easy to duplicate a Disneyland train using a Hartland 4-4-0. It seems easy to make something that looks right.

But, be careful!!!

When I started with Lionel, I told myself"Just one train".....

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:00 AM

"Just one train..."

Then it's "One more train..."

Kind of like this guy...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEDKUTV-mCA  

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Posted by emdmike on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:29 PM

At one time, Hartland did a limited edition WDRR engine in coperation with the Carrolwood group.  Just as Lionel did a WDRR "General" yeas ago.  One could also take an Accucraft live steam 4-4-0 to do a custom live steam version.   Accucraft did a 2-4-2 Fort Wilderness live steamer after the ones that ran at that now long closed Disney attraction.  Those are hard to come by, I would love to have one myself.     Mike the Aspie. 

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Posted by Penny Trains on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:28 PM

Here are the G locos running on David Sheegog's layout: https://www.cptrr.com/locomotives.html

You can read the full text of the Garden Railways article on his website: https://www.cptrr.com/garden-railways-magazine.html.  He built them from scratch.

Fort Wilderness Railroad:  The train doesn't show up untill about 7 1/2 minutes in, but before that you can see and hear water traffic on Bay lake including at least one of the two side wheel steamers.

I hate to do this...

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But if I didn't show you that...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Wilderness_Railroad

"Rolling stock

The FWRR utilized four 2-4-2T steam locomotives and twenty passenger cars built in 1972 by WED Enterprises in Glendale, California.[5] After the railroad closed, the locomotives and passener cars were stored and forgotten for several years until they were rediscovered by Carolwood Pacific Historical Society co-founder Michael Broggie.[6] The locomotives and twelve of the surviving passenger cars were acquired by Carolwood Pacific Historical Society members Jim Zordich of Boring, Oregon (Locomotive No. 1 and one passenger car); Bill Dundas of Camarillo, California (Locomotive No. 2, Locomotive No. 3, and ten passenger cars); and Michael Campbell of Livermore, California (Locomotive No. 4 and one passenger car).[7]Music Jim Zordich later sold his locomotive and passenger car to Justi Creek Railway owner John Lasseter of Glen Ellen, California, who had them converted to 3 ft (914 mm) gauge.[5] While Locomotive No. 1 and Locomotive No. 4 are static displays, the locomotives owned by Bill Dundas can be found on his private Santa Rosa Valley Railroad, which consists of 2 ft 6 in (762 mm) narrow gauge track as well as 7 12 in (190.5 mm) gauge track for the miniature trains he also owns.[9] None of the FWRR locomotives are operational. In addition, a few of the passenger cars were previously on public display elsewhere in Walt Disney World. Two were used as ticket booths at the Pleasure Island entrance to Downtown Disney prior to its transition into its current form as Disney Springs.[4] They have since been sold at auction to private individuals.[10] Another was previously used as a prop in the Typhoon Lagoon parking lot before it was removed and scrapped."

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:46 PM

It was a sin to let those beautiful locomotives and cars go to waste like that!  At least some of them found good homes.

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Posted by emdmike on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:17 PM

You should see the Accucraft G scale live steam one, along with the matching correct coaches they did.  Quite hard to find for sale these days, but beautifully done!    Mike

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:38 PM

I found a video!  Big Smile

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:42 PM

Thanks for the video Becky, oh-so-cool!

I was at a train show in Virginia Beach about 20 years ago where some live steamers were putting on  demonstration.  One of the club members told me that for their small size those live steam models are quite powerful, amazingly so.  

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Posted by emdmike on Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:16 AM

They are very powerful.  My Aster GWR Pannier tank has no problem slipping its drivers on heavy loads.  I run out of traction long before I run out of power, much like the real ones did. And we dont have sanders in this scale to help on slippery rail!  Here is a short video of it pulling a friends consist at the Muncie, IN show a few weeks ago, just before this virus stuff shut down all the shows and stuff.   Mike the Aspie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDkVDy3m5oE

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Posted by M636C on Friday, March 27, 2020 3:26 AM

emdmike

They are very powerful.  My Aster GWR Pannier tank has no problem slipping its drivers on heavy loads.  I run out of traction long before I run out of power, much like the real ones did. And we dont have sanders in this scale to help on slippery rail!  Here is a short video of it pulling a friends consist at the Muncie, IN show a few weeks ago, just before this virus stuff shut down all the shows and stuff.   Mike the Aspie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDkVDy3m5oE

 

Look closely at the leading vehicle in the video...

It is a reference to the 1953 movie The Titfield Thunderbolt  where an old coach body was mounted on a well wagon as a replacement passenger car...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAd-NIz_78E

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, March 27, 2020 9:47 AM

"The Titfield Thunderbolt" is a movie I haven't seen, but now I'm going to have to!  From that clip it looks like a lot of fun!  Thanks Peter!

THIS popped up right after I ran the clip of the 1953 film.  Just as much fun and beautifully photographed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUYhKxUrSzg  

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Posted by emdmike on Friday, March 27, 2020 10:33 AM

My friend has the Aster live steam Titfield Thunderbolt, that is the Loriet and Dan's House kits from Mercian Models in the UK.  He also has the "toad" brake van(caboose to us in the states) brass kit to build as well.  This makes up the train the Thunderbolt pulled in the movie.  Quite a funny movie to watch, but a bit hard to find online.  He ended up buying a copy of it on DVD on ebay. He was unable to find the movie on any of the streaming services he uses.     Mike the Aspie

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