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Chanukah TRAIN SETS ? Why no one produces them ?

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Chanukah TRAIN SETS ? Why no one produces them ?
Posted by WRGMILW on Sunday, December 8, 2013 10:11 PM

Hi There

             Lionel, MTH , and Williams produce Christmas sets ! That is a fact .  My question is why there is no Chanukah train sets.  I have only seen one train that has both the Christian & Jewish holiday on a box car .

You say why would a Christian care ?  I lived in a neighborhood in Milwaukee, WI that had many Jewish families in it . I would say I had a few Jewish friends & classmates.  

              So I ask that any one here is Jewish , Do you want  a Chanukah Train? If not Why ?

             

             

 

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Posted by cwburfle on Monday, December 9, 2013 3:57 AM

The train companies don't make Chanukah train sets because they don't think they would sell well.

I think they are correct.

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Posted by Bob Keller on Monday, December 9, 2013 7:05 AM

Reader Bruce Brown took an activist approach and made his own, as documented in this CTT story:

Christmas isn't the only holiday for trains

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Posted by WRGMILW on Monday, December 9, 2013 2:45 PM

Thanks to all that replied so far.

I will  look at hobby  shop for that issue .  I hope to find that issue.  They have a stack of old issues .

Thanks

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Posted by scrambler81 on Monday, December 9, 2013 3:15 PM

 Growing up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood, I was under the impression that it wasn't really a major holiday, at least in comparison to some other Jewish holidays. It just got added attention because it fell around Christmas. Also, despite the attempts of some retailers, it really hasn't gotten nearly as commercialized as Christmas.

 Finally, there is no tree to put the train under.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, December 9, 2013 5:50 PM

Why wouldn't it sell?  Has anyone tried, seriously?

Look, Williams reproduces the "Lady Lionel"  pink Girls Train, you know the one that makes most mens blood run cold, and here in the Fortress Firelock has Lady Firestorm's upper lip curling so much it tickles her right eyebrow?  Obviously that thing sells!

By the way, it isn't just Lady Firestorm either.  When I was visiting Lady F's sister and family I left a CTT open to a page with an ad for a Girls Train.  The look of horror on my sister-in-laws face and her daughter's faces as well was priceless!

So why wouldn't a Hannukah Train sell?  Now maybe if it had a boxcar with a digital recording of Adam Sandler's "Hannukah Song".....

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Posted by Dave632 on Monday, December 9, 2013 7:27 PM

Jewish boys certainly got Lionel trains when I was young.

I doubt marketing trains just for Hanukkah would be much of a marketing success.

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Posted by M. Mitchell Marmel on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:07 AM

WRGMILW

I have only seen one train that has both the Christian & Jewish holiday on a box car .

You say why would a Christian care ?  I lived in a neighborhood in Milwaukee, WI that had many Jewish families in it . I would say I had a few Jewish friends & classmates.  

              So I ask that any one here is Jewish , Do you want  a Chanukah Train? If not Why ?

FWIW, I own a K-Line Chanukah boxcar and a Chinese New Year gondola, both of which date back to the late '90s, so it has been done... 

Makes one wonder just what a Chanukah train would look like.  Little extra flags on the loco with Stars of David on 'em?  A motorized dreidel spinning car?  Illuminated menorah car?  A hopper car loaded with chocolate coins?  Nu, it could work...  ;)

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Posted by David Barker on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:50 PM

I loved K-Line Because they were not afraid. To leave the mold cast in stone,

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Posted by overlandflyer on Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:28 AM

a decorated tree, trains running beneath, cookies in the shape of wreaths, eggnog & Santa...  frankly i think it's sad that just because of a name, some people miss out on the spirit of the holiday season.  it hasn't been about religion for me in decades.

perhaps it should be Festivus, ... for the rest of us.

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Posted by BigAl 956 on Monday, December 16, 2013 10:02 AM

I have the K-Line Chanukah boxcar and the Lionel Mogen David wine car. That's about it for Jewish offerings by train manufacturers. I guess train manufactures are a lot like pro sports teams, Lots of Jewish owners but few players. Smile

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Posted by joe323 on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:02 PM

I actually built a Chanukah train a few years back in HO.  Have a pic somwhere There are train Menorahs so It may not be beyond the relm of reality to built an entire train set but I think a car or two as done in the past is more likely  

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Posted by musicman37 on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:40 AM
Hasn't anyone heard of a "Hanukah bush" to run trains around?
All my trains are kosher. Especially the Mogan David vat car.

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Posted by joe323 on Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:10 PM

No but Facebook had ads for a Menorah Tree.  A 9 branch artifical tree shaped like a Menorah.  I have also seen videos of Chanukkah trains on You Tube.  

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Posted by M. Mitchell Marmel on Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:19 PM

joe323

I actually built a Chanukah train a few years back in HO.  Have a pic somwhere There are train Menorahs so It may not be beyond the relm of reality to built an entire train set but I think a car or two as done in the past is more likely 

Hmmm.  I've got a beat-up 3650 spotlight car lurking about with only the cable reel left.  I suppose I could dismantle that and power a menorah mounted on the depressed center...  ;-)

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Posted by stuartmit on Monday, January 6, 2014 12:13 PM
Typical scenes of livingrooms on Christmas morning very commonly include a toy train circling the tree's base. Displays of trains which are not in stores are common at Christmas time--for example the one at Grand Central in New York and the Bronx Botanical garden as well. So toy trains in some way have become a hallmark of the season-they certainly are not in any way a religious symbol. Because Lionel outsold American Flyer and almost anyone else as well, I credit Joshua Lionel Cowan with enshrining toy trains in our perceptions as part of a typical home Christmas décor. Ironic that he was Jewish, as I happen to be as well. Although I got trains at Chanukah, I had no tree around which to run them--I was lucky enough to have a year around layout on which to run my UP 2023 freight (in retrospect I wish it had been the passenger set, which I never even was aware of until perhaps 1975!).
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Posted by joe323 on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:52 PM

Actually What I did is I took 9 Flameless LED tea light candles Mounted 8 of them on 2 Flat cars and the Shamesh (Ninth taller one) on the cuppola of the caboose. After coloring the flames yellow with a highlighter it looked like a moving Menorah.  In HO it was a bit unwieldy but on my  sscale set, I think it woould work well I am going to try it this year.  In O scale I will used gondolas instead of flat cars.  Of Course while not essential the caboose goes in the center. 

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Sunday, February 2, 2014 8:03 PM
Most of those Christmas train set are broad Holiday themed, North Pole themed, Santa Claus themed, Winter themed. Very few of the individual cars and train sets are biblically based "Christ is Born Today" themed.
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Posted by joe323 on Monday, February 3, 2014 9:34 PM
I think a "christ" theme trainset would be considered heresy For Hanukkah last year I used a happy holiday set.

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:24 AM
There are many possible concepts to consider for a Hanukkah themed train layout. There can be a Macabees versus Greeks animated car with figures fighting. A live stock car filled with hogs for sacrifice has to be in the train. A tank filled with bubbling oil would be an appropriate accessory. Andrew
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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 11:13 AM

musicman37
Hasn't anyone heard of a "Hanukah bush" to run trains around?
All my trains are kosher. Especially the Mogan David vat car.

Shouldn't that be a burning bush???Mischief

....oh all right, going to the back of the room Dunce

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:25 AM

I suspect several things are involved. As noted, the manufacturers may feel there wasn't / isn't enough of a demand for such an item. As noted, Joshua Lionel Cowan was Jewish (as were many other toy manufacturers of his time). Unfortunately, at that time there was a lot of anti-Jewish discrimination, so someone like Cowan may not have wanted to call attention to the fact that he was Jewish (not that he ever did anything to hide it of course) for fear that some yahoos would decide not to buy Lionel trains for their kids because of that.

BTW, I've often wondered if the spelling of his name - "Cowan" - was an attempt by one of his ancestors to make their name sound more English / less Jewish, since I suspect the family name at some point was "Cohen"?? Sadly it wasn't uncommon generations back for Jews or Irish folks to change or modify their names because of discrimination.

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Posted by joe323 on Thursday, February 6, 2014 12:03 PM
There's another factor too. Hanukkah as a commercial holiday is still a recent phenomenon. It was always a minor holiday in terms of Judaism. Also for the most part Jews do not decorate the way Christians do for their holidays. I still think it's too much of a niche market to produce an entire trainset. Maybe a couple of cars though.

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Posted by lionelsoni on Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:10 PM

He changed the spelling himself in 1910, from "Cohen".  However, strictly speaking, the correct spelling seems to be "kaf-yod-hei-nun", so we can't fault any reasonable transliteration from the Hebrew to the Roman alphabet that he may have preferred, for whatever reason.

That being said, there has been a lot of adaptation of names to avoid discrimination.  I discovered long after her death that my Irish-born maternal grandmother, who lived with my family throughout my childhood, went from Bridget Mary Murphy to Beatrice Mary Fleming when she immigrated and married my grandfather.

On the other side, my great-grandfather Anders Svenson, whose father was Sven Nilsson, became Andrew S. Nelson.  The "S." presumably memorialized his former patronym, although he seems never to have written it out.  And Andrew and Nelson are less-Swedish respellings of his given name and his father's surname.

Incidentally, having an "S" that doesn't seem to stand for anything is very American.  Two of our presidents have had such middle initials.

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Posted by M. Mitchell Marmel on Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:03 PM

lionelsoni

That being said, there has been a lot of adaptation of names to avoid discrimination.  I discovered long after her death that my Irish-born maternal grandmother, who lived with my family throughout my childhood, went from Bridget Mary Murphy to Beatrice Mary Fleming when she immigrated and married my grandfather.

On the other side, my great-grandfather Anders Svenson, whose father was Sven Nilsson, became Andrew S. Nelson.  The "S." presumably memorialized his former patronym, although he seems never to have written it out.  And Andrew and Nelson are less-Swedish respellings of his given name and his father's surname.

Heh.  Had some of that on both sides of my family; my father dropped the "stein" from his name in the 50s with a career as a folksinger in mind (so I nearly wound up being Maurice Moses Marmelstein, Jr.!) 

As for my mother's side of the family, one of my ancestors' bosses got tired of referring to an endless succession of Svensons and Johnssons, so came up with the clever idea of turning Carl Anders into Cahlander...  ;-)

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Posted by joe323 on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:09 AM

I picked up the cars for the Chanukkah train at the greenberg show Sunday 2 Gondolas and a caboose

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