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Posted by AF1963 on Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:51 PM

Your work is so good Classic Toy Trains magazine should have you do a step by step article on how you make your beautiful buildings.  Along with pictures of course.  Thanks for sharing!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:47 PM

THE IVES FACTORY

A slight mod and repurposing of the transition power house.  The mod is that I made this one square rather than rectangular.

On the cutting board at the moment are 189 and 191 villas.  When my back gives me a break, I'll get back to work on the hellgate which I started drawing last week.

Becky

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:10 PM

NOTHING COULD BE FINER,

THAN DINNER AT:

 

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:58 PM

True fifedog, boring is a constant.  It doesn't even have to be for someone else in my case.  All repitious tasks, like making palm trees for Disneyland for example, drive me batty.  Stick out tongue

But more importantly, there's the cost to value ratio to consider when you sell any craft.  Take something small like a bungalow for example.  #1 I wouldn't be able to sell the litho style bungalows as-is because I didn't design the graphics.  I could however sell solid color versions like the pink or blue ones shown in this thread.  So if we go that route, here's a list of materials used:

  1. Cardstock in 3 colors.  Avg. 7.5 cents x 8 sheets = $6.00
  2. Corrugated cardboard.  I used old usps boxes but I could use 1 sheet of illustration board at $6.00
  3. Vellum paper at roughly 20 cents per sheet.

So we're at about $6.20 for materials and I haven't included lighting yet because at the moment I don't have it.  But a rough guess, add another $5 and bring it to $13.  If we take the standard model and add 300% of cost for labor, glue and other incidentals, we're up to $52 for a paper and cardboard house with a lightbulb inside.  Add 2 trees and hedges on a landscaped foamcore base and you add another $12.  So now we're up to $64 and the question remains, would anyone actually pay it?

And remember, we're just using a little 8 1/2 x 7 x 6" house with little detail and extremely low durability as an example.  Move up to something larger like a 124 station (never mind the terrace) and then everything goes up by at least 20%.  Once you cross that line, you enter the realm of bad condition original Lionel steel accessories which most of us would rather have.  With the materials I'm using the cost to profit ratio turns negative at about $100.  Beyond that point consumers (even in the target audience) wouldn't be willing to pay true worth for a cardstock structure.

I've been asked to make Sleeping Beauty Castle models in the past as well.  For that, I had to consider a special set of issues:

  1. I didn't design the kit.  So before I did anything I'd have to get permission from the designer, which I can't get because he has a contract with Disney to never sell or allow to be sold any of his Disney themed creations.
  2. But even if I didn't have to worry about #1, a printed model needs a lot of toner.  I wouldn't want to sell a model printed with an inkjet, which is what I have at home, because the toner isn't colorfast.  One tiny droplet of water and the model is permanently blemished.  So I'd have to invest in a laser printer or have the parts printed by an outside source.
  3. Lighting and lanscaping of the type I did on my castle module are labor and materials intensive.  Producing that on a routine basis without a drop in quality would be difficult

Let's assume I did try to sell a Disney castle, never mind the Disney lawyers on my backside, my best guess of what the true value of the fully landscaped diorama would be, is $500.  Too much to ask for a simple paper structure.

So, unless I find a way to bring costs down to a workable level, there just wouldn't be any point in trying to sell them.  Anywhere.  Ebay, train shows, craft shows, no matter what I wouldn't be able to make any money let alone survive on it.  That's why I give away all the secrets for free.

Becky

 

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Posted by webenda on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:29 AM
Awesome Becky, just superb!

 ..........Wayne..........

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Posted by fifedog on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:45 AM

In a world that's ever-growing more technical, I find I'm appreciating more simpler things.  These structures are wonderful, and I feel they would produce the funds you desire.  Trouble is, when you turn your hobby into a business, it does take away some of the joy (from a former custom painter of trains).

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:10 PM

OK Becky, good for you!  Looks like I was worried about nuthin'!   Keep up the good work!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:29 PM

Mike, I"ve always loved the display layouts Lionel made, especially the Scenic Railways of the 1920's.  I get such a thrill when I discover the tricks, techniques and construction secrets they used and figure out ways I can do it myself.  Since I'd love to see a resurgence of layouts being built using classic techniques, it only makes sense to me to spread the word.  Even if it's only as simple as someone learning how to make a tree or two to make their layout look more authentic it's all worth the effort.  Big Smile

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:04 PM

Believe it or not I was whistling Little Boxes while I was making those bungalows!  Whistling Laugh  It's kinda what I had in mind.  One of our local TV heroes even used it in a skit (way back when) and the film recently ran on the Big Chuck and Lil' John show.  It's a great anti-conformity song.  I also like Sherman's "Crawl Out Through The Fallout" by the way.  Thumbs Up

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:23 AM

Well Becky, the song "Little Boxes" is a satire on suburban conformity, but the really ironic thing is the satirist (Malvina Reynolds) and others like her were quite the conformists themselves, just with a different world-view.  The "Little Boxes" THEY lived in were apartments in the "artsy" sections of the big cities.

I still think the song's mean-spirited, and I'm surprised Pete Seeger covered it to begin with.  I like Pete's music and find him a VERY interesting man, and I don't think he's got a mean-spirited bone in his body.

Anyway, I'm glad you didn't take offense to the post.   I was concerned considering the quality of your work.

Like I said, I don't want to go political here, this just isn't the place.

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Posted by cheapclassics on Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:38 PM

Good evening all,

Becky, again, wonderful work.  Thank you once more for sharing your talent and work with us here.  As an admirer of all that is Standard gauge, it is good to see someone who can make it more accessible to all.

Keep on training,

Mike C. from Indiana

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:03 PM

Well, I don't know what you guys were talking about but that song's hillarious!  Smile, Wink & Grin

Becky

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:27 PM

Point taken

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American Flyer Trains

"The Toy For the Boy"

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:07 AM

Hey Northwoods, I don't mean to get political here but that song "Little Boxes"  is one of the meanest-spirited pieces ol' Pete ever put out.  I know it was offered in fun but there's nothing "ticky-tacky"  about Becky's work. 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Friday, March 15, 2013 9:32 PM

Becky,

I want to echo the sentiments offered by other folks.  Your work is amazing.  If you go into business I'd be proud to have some of your work on my layout.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Friday, March 15, 2013 7:29 PM

BUNGALOW CITY!

BUNGALOW CITY!

BUNGALOW CITY!

AT BUNGALOW CITY WE CAN SATISFY ALL YOUR BUNGALOW NEEDS!

WE HAVE RED ONES, BLUE ONES, GREEN ONES, PINK ONES!

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A BUNGALOW, YOU'D BETTER VISIT BUNGALOW CITY!

CONVENIENTLY LOCATED AT THE SLAUSSON CUTOFF!

COME ON DOWN TO BUNGALOW CITY TODAY!!!!

Ok, now that you've all cut off your slaussons...Laugh

Becky

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Posted by Penny Trains on Thursday, March 14, 2013 6:46 PM

I've thought about it quite a bit.  The cutting and bending is easy enough, just slightly tougher than what I'm doing now.  It's punching that I don't know anything about.  And without it my windows and doors would look pretty lame.  Stick out tongue

Becky

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Posted by scrambler81 on Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:21 PM

 Once again, you've blown me away. Every thread you post is a joy. Simply amazing work, and the colors are incredible.

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Posted by JamesP on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:43 PM

Absolutely stunning work, Becky.  I just wish you would buy a sheet metal brake and shear... and start building your creations out of steel!

Thanks for posting such inspiring pictures of your project.  Bow

 - James

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:13 PM

Another one done!  Here's my factory:

It's not easy to see, but the letters under the keystone are cut out from the orange so the white shows through from behind.  I used some peel and stick letters on a piece of card to create a template.  I cut out the letters then traced them backwards onto the back side of orange piece.  Then I cut them out of the orange card.

This one's to show the scale of things.  The bungalows I built last sunner for the O gauge layout you can see in the background would fit inside the standard gauge versions if not for their front porches.

Up next: little pink houses!  Smile, Wink & Grin

Becky

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Posted by RedfireS197 on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:07 PM

Becky,

             That 129/124 jumps out at me the most.Thumbs Up  At a quick glance, I thought it was the real thing.  After seeing your work, I wish I would've sent a model to you that I was working on and given you some $$ to put it together.Smile  I don't have the steady hands (or temper) for that kind of delicate work. 

Jim

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Posted by cheapclassics on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:23 PM

Becky,

Again, wow!  Fantastic does not describe your work.  I think Cowen himself would have hired you in the 20s and 30s to make mock ups for the production items. Your approach could literally revolutionize tinplate railroading.  I am surprised Mike Wolf has not tried to buy you out before knock the market out from under his feet.   Wow!  I hope CTT does you justice.and gives you several pages (and articles!) to display your craft work.

Keep on training,

Mike C. from Indiana

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:52 PM

Still looking for the right guy?  OK, tell you what.  The next time there's a mega-train-show in your area put on your most fetching railroad theme outfit, dab a little  "Mega Steam"  scented smoke fluid behind your ears, maybe on the back of your wrists as well (the scent is your choice, but I like "Coffee" the best), and take a demure pose on one of the stools at the snack bar.  Hey, you never know, do you?

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Posted by RedfireS197 on Monday, March 11, 2013 9:49 PM

Penny Trains

Thanks guys!

Nope, not attached.  Still looking for the right guy.  Maybe I'm just too picky.  There aren't a lot of guys out there with large Lionel collections and large bank accounts that would tolerate my mania for layout building!  Laugh

Becky

I've got more Lionel and AF than I know what to do with, but no bank account because of that along with my avatar.Smile, Wink & Grin  Two expensive hobbies can't be good.

Jim

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Posted by rtraincollector on Monday, March 11, 2013 9:32 PM

Well I have the first par tbut not the second and I'm already married so thats probably why I don't have the second part lol

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, March 11, 2013 8:15 PM

Thanks guys!

Nope, not attached.  Still looking for the right guy.  Maybe I'm just too picky.  There aren't a lot of guys out there with large Lionel collections and large bank accounts that would tolerate my mania for layout building!  Laugh

Becky

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Posted by railroaded on Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:21 PM

Awesome. I love it. The station - fantastic.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:42 PM

Becky, YOU ARE AMAZING!  If there's a man in your life I hope he realizes how blessed he is!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:26 PM

Believe it or not I originally started building these things as "place holders'.  It was my intention to build a Christmas layout with the fakes and trash them as I got the real thing.  That was around 1993.  The economy was good, I had steady work and hardly any expenses.  It all seemed perfectly possible back then especially since Ebay was just being born and prices weren't anywhere near the level they're at today.  But MTH O gauge struck my fancy back then and several times a year I was able to buy a starter set so I could play with protosound.  Today all of those engines have been stripped of their electronics and run on DC and I wish I had put my money into postwar Lionel and prewar standard gauge.

Becky

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Posted by AF53 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 1:31 PM

Becky - You could have saved a lot of time and trouble and bought these items, or close to it, on ebay for maybe $1,000 or so! Smile, Wink & Grin

Ray

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