6017 caboose

[mouse 3]

I recently purchased a small lionel collection from a lady who had it since 1957 roughly, all postwar lionel, in the cars that were there was a 6017 sp type caboose, it was olive coloured and does not appear to be repainted judging by the lettering on the side of it, any info on this olive coloured caboose would be appreciated, thanks

[Algonquin]

Lionel made a 6167 SP type caboose with an unpainted OLIVE DRAB body. No lettering on the body. The chassis does not have handrails and has one solid coupler. Part of the uncataloged Firestone Tire & Rubber Company set No. 19338.

[cwburfle]

Very desirable, all olive cars demand a big premium over the same car in standard colors.

[teledoc]

According to Greenberg's Guide to Lionel Trains 1945-1969 Vol. VII, Selected Variations, what you have is actually cataloged as #6167 Unmarked SP style Caboose.  Built 1963-1964 and came as Yellow or Olive Drab.  The olive drab is very very scarce and priced at 225 in very good condition, and 500 in like new condition.  There are two other unmarked cabooses in red and brown, which are listed as #6067 uncataloged 1961-1962.  The above referenced book is copyrighted 1995, so value may be more in 2011.  Hope this answers your question.

[mouse 3]

this caboose has a heat stamped 6017 on the side in white letters , not a decaled or painted on , 

[mouse 3]

this has heat stamped numbers on the side 6017, they do not look like someone added them on their own

[Train-O]

mouse 3,

Here's some info. of a Lionel PW olive drab green cab:

http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=caboose

Take care,

Ralph

[nickaix]

That's really interesting. I poked around on tandem-associates.com (which has a lot of good caboose info) and found nothing about a lettered olive drab SP type caboose. I suppose it's possible that Lionel lettered a few of them...

Does the rest of the caboose look original and right for its era? Is the caboose unpainted? What type of trucks are on it? How does the metal frame attach (tabs over the end platforms, or screws)? Handrails? Is the frame blackened or galvanized?

What other cars did you acquire with this caboose? I'm not knowledgeable about postwar sets, but someone who is might be able to tell you whether the other cars you have are consistent with the Firestone set the olive caboose is supposed to have come with.

[teledoc]

If you state that the caboose is not painted, but actually Olive molded body, it would be classified as a 6167 caboose.  You further state that it has Heat Stamped 6017 on the side.  If both of those statements are correct, you have a ONE OF A KIND that is not catalogued anywhere.  I have Greenberg's guide to Selected Variations, Vol. VII, Standard Catalog of Lionel 1945-1969 by Doyle, and no where is there any mention of what you have.  Therefore, the value is VERY VERY High, as it would be considered ONE of a Kind.  The SP cabooses virtually all used the same mold, with the only variations being certain placed rivets in the mold, and how the actual body is attached to a particular frame, viz. tab versus screws.  As I stated in an earlier post to this thread, the value of just a plain OLIVE "6167" in VG condition is $225 and Like New condition at $500.  If you have a "Ultra Rare", as I would classify what you have, the value would far exceed the $500 range to a SERIOUS Collector, if you were to sell it.

 

Teledoc (Jerry)

[cwburfle]

[quote]The SP cabooses virtually all used the same mold, with the only variations being certain placed rivets in the mold, and how the actual body is attached to a particular frame, viz. tab versus screws.  [quote]

There are also variations on the roof in the area where the smoke stack is mounted in some models. I believe that I read an article years ago that described variations in the cat walks too.

[mouse 3]

other cars included two 6464 box cars, 219missouri pacific alcos, a 736 and whistle tender, there was about a dozen more cars, but I cannot remember which ones, nothing special and about six accessories.

[mouse 3]

thanks for the info, I intend to keep this one for my collection, Robert

[teledoc]

You got quite few Keepers, the 736 valued from 200-450 range, the 219 valued in 100-300 range, and depending in which 6464 Boxcars, values vary to the Road Name, so an example of a really rare one would be 6464-1 (type II) with RED HEAT STAMPED lettering is the rarest at rating of 8, valued at 975-2700 depending on condx.  The high end value is Like New condition, with the box.

 

Teledoc (Jerry)

[runtime]

I'm happy for your (apparantly) rarwe find, however, I have found that many variations seem to exist (I have some) that are not documented in the (Doyle in my case) guidebooks.

runtime

[Seayakbill]

Just goes to show that there is still some Postwar gems still buried in the attics and basements around this country.