I watched it today.
Becky
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I remember that episode.
Doug Murphy 'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...' Henry V.
phillyreading Penny Trains: Hogan's Heroes, first season. "Without rumors there would be no war!" Love that show! Becky I forget the name of the general, on that episode, who told col. Hogan that. Will have to check the first season DVD set again! Lee F.
Penny Trains: Hogan's Heroes, first season. "Without rumors there would be no war!" Love that show! Becky
Hogan's Heroes, first season. "Without rumors there would be no war!" Love that show!
I forget the name of the general, on that episode, who told col. Hogan that. Will have to check the first season DVD set again!
Lee F.
I don't remember either. But I do remember he had an eyepatch and it was an episode where Hogan was trying to convince Klink that the war was almost over.
If I had to use any tubular track for a temporary or seasonal layout that has be packed-up, it would be the Snap Track now made by Ready-Made-Toys.
If I had to choose tubular track for a long term layout, then I would choose from what Gargraves and Ross produces.
I prefer solid-rail track, that is why I got Atlas O for one railroad layout. I might try MTH ScaleTrax for another railroad layout.
Andrew
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Penny Trains Hogan's Heroes, first season. "Without rumors there would be no war!" Love that show! Becky
I have heard it said on a sitcom, "Without rumors where would war be?"
Anyway it was a long discussion on tubular track.
Seayakbill someone claimed they got an email saying so from them guess they got an email from someone that didn't know and just shot off an answer. You would think that a reply from Lionel's information center would be accurate and not just a guess. Since tubular track and switches have not been in any of Lionel's last two catalog releases are they just not promoting it, time will tell.
someone claimed they got an email saying so from them guess they got an email from someone that didn't know and just shot off an answer.
You would think that a reply from Lionel's information center would be accurate and not just a guess. Since tubular track and switches have not been in any of Lionel's last two catalog releases are they just not promoting it, time will tell.
AHA! The plot thickens! Maybe they WANT to get rid of the stuff?
LL675 so then the rumors of the world coming to an end tomorrow is false as well....
so then the rumors of the world coming to an end tomorrow is false as well....
hahahaha the day is still young.
Bill T.
What a relief. I have bought a lot of 027 profile 42" + 54" circle track. I own about a dozen 42" circle switches,, most of them the discontinued K-Line which are easier to cut & modify. You can pull 20-30 car trains of MPC & newer 027 cars around a 42" circle track without a tipover (as long as the hopper cars have their plastic hinges replaced with bolts). I really miss the 72" circle 027 profile track discontinued about 5 years ago that I think was made by K-Line. To me 42" circle 027 is the poor mans wide radious track.
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Ogaugeoverlord I just received a reply to an e-mail I sent Lionel and it states that they are NOT discontinuing tubular track.
I just received a reply to an e-mail I sent Lionel and it states that they are NOT discontinuing tubular track.
Sfill, it was an interresting discussion.
yeah I guess so as I personally couldn't see lionel doing away with there staple track although someone claimed they got an email saying so from them guess they got an email from someone that didn't know and just shot off an answer.
Dave
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Bob Keller
Hopefully it's not a plot to raise prices on tubular track that is left with the Lionel name on it. There are some companies that still make tubular track, so it's not a complete change over as of yet.
Handcranks on cars were dangerous or so I have been told! I never tried to use a handcrank to start a car, so I don't know. The storage battery was a very good idea as far as safety was concerned. But these newer types of track are not exactly an improvement for safety, but just a higher cost thrown at us, who are trying to model O gauge trains, and tries to drain our wallet faster!
Think about this, if you spend more money on new track styles, where is the money you were going to spend on a new engine or piece of rolling stock?
I'm sure if they had Forums in 1912, there would be those wailing about the end of hand-cranks being a plot to sell car batteries.
The north half of my bedroom layout has 2 levels. Upper level is a turnaround point. Before this sections construction I held up in the air a 48" fastrack circle,,, too wide as it stuck into the walkway. I didn't want to go as small as a Fastrack 36" circle. So everything on the upper deck of the layout is tubular. Some pieces of the grade going into and out of the closet are tubular. All the rest is Fastrack. It looks nice but its expensive. I hope to still be able to buy tubular in the long term future. Its just easier to do what you really want to do in tight spots. You can see my layout on youtube under my name mustangstrainsmowers.
I hve been using my Dad's original tublar that he got as a kid, plus a bunch of used I've picked up over the last 20 years. I've bought some new 3' sections, but I've ran nothing but used tublar.and I use Type Vs for power. maybe I'm stuck in the past, but I like it and it works great for me.
This is really just a grand plot so all those dealers at York and elsewhere with boxes of tubular track under their tables for "$10 for the whole box" can now get $4.75 per section.
Regards, Roy
I tend to build my layouts on theme as much as everybody else. I prefer tubular track for tinplate and basic, less detailed postwar (like scouts), and scale rail for the more detailed equipment. When I rebuild my main layout I'll most likely end up using RealTrax. I'd like to use ScaleTrax, but I doubt I'll be able to afford it. So, my middle ground is an easy to work with system that has a "T" rail profile, and a plastic base which is both easy to glue ballast onto and is insulated right out of the box which makes blocks and signals easier to install. After all, all you need to do to isolate a section of RealTrax is rip off the connecting brasses. To that end, I've been running all of my equipment on a small O31 oval in my bedroom to test the track out. So far the only issue I have with it is with the operating track section. Prewar equipment and postwar Marx engines especially hate the electromagnet and jump like crazy going over it. My Marx 999 slams to a stop when it's pick-ups hit the magnet. Strange enough though, my Lionel prewar 259 runs much better on the RealTrax than it does on tubular.
But no, I wouldn't expect Standard Gauge to look right on RealTrax any more than a modern scale hudson does on old tubular with it's super high profile. And I whole heartedly dislike FasTrack. I just don't get it. With Gargraves, MTH and Atlas making more realistic track why would Lionel opt for a square chromed rail?
The real cost of the track system is how well the switches operate, how the switches can be configured, and how well equipment can negotiate the switches without power loss and derailments.
I think that it is too bad that they don't want to continue having a choice. If someone really likes Fastrac, then more power to them. I for one am really turned off by the cost, especially the turnouts. I have some for ovals around the tree, it may be louder...but is stays together real well for running trains in the background and not worring about derailments. I like 027 but use the wide radious curves and some of the 042 turnouts. I love being able to fit it into almost any idea and cutting is easy and cheap. Accessories work like they were designed. I find that I really like hte look of my 027, but I hate the turnouts. I think that I will be best off using Ross turnouts and the tubular track so what I save in track I can spend on turnouts. With one income and three kids, cost is a very real limitation. I suspect that I am not alone in that area, not everyone in the hobby is a scale hi-rail guy.
Steve
lionroar88 vsmith: Based on recent LHS visit Fastrack $4.79 each vs tubular $1.89 each. That adds up to a huge difference on even a small layout. Sorry that your focus is only $$$$. You have your opinion, I have mine... I've used 3 track systems throughout the years and I can tell you from experience that FasTrack by FAR blows the others out of the water. Does it have it's drawbacks? Yes, just like every other product ever produced. But to continually lambast something because it looks cheep or whatever to you... well I'm not going there... Done with this thread.
vsmith: Based on recent LHS visit Fastrack $4.79 each vs tubular $1.89 each. That adds up to a huge difference on even a small layout.
Based on recent LHS visit Fastrack $4.79 each vs tubular $1.89 each. That adds up to a huge difference on even a small layout.
Dont get upset, these are just discussion points
Track price is a very valid issue when one is planning a layout. Its not just the cost, as I have repeatetly said, I just dont like the looks of it and I'm not alone, I'm sure it works well and is all the good things that the banner-wavers say it is, but to me it just so beyond fake that I cringe it the sight of it. I use tubuler, with additional ties added and real ballast added to that, it just looks better to me, call me old school, archaic, a dinosuar I'm fine with that, if you like it - use it, go for it, and as long as your having fun, thats the point, I can freely understand why people use it, and if you want to pay the increased price and can afford it go for it. As for me if I expand and cannot find any tubular at the LHS or at online sources, there are other makers and , I can always trawl Ebay, I dont think that tubular will disappear for another 100 years , so have fun.
Vic, The Tubular Track Dinosaur
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vsmith Based on recent LHS visit Fastrack $4.79 each vs tubular $1.89 each. That adds up to a huge difference on even a small layout.
Brent as you say 1000 times but I have seen it done different ways and its still noisier than tubular. And most people ( not on this forum) set up just for Christmas so there not going to go to the extend that a person with permanent layout and all of a sudden they got to there local place to get track and told ( come Christmas time) Lionel don't make it any more you have to switch over to fastrack is not going to be a poplar choice. yes there going to be able to goto Ebay and other places to get used and I'm sure Charles roe has enough to supply for at least 6 months . but the bottom line as you may like fast track others for same reason like tubular. as for atlas no comment never used the stuff. and Gargraves I have some and plan on using it but thats down the road for me. Yes I know Williams still selling tubular track but from what I see just straight aways and curves. nothing else.
I was the one who originally posted it on the OGR forum.
JerryUnfortunately, we no longer manufacture tubular track. I am told however that you may still be able to purchase some through various dealers, as to who I am afraid that we don't have that information.We apologize for the inconvenience! Thank you!Lionel Talk To Us
This is the e-mail I received this morning from them:
Mr. MakowieckiIn regards to your question, Lionel does still produce tubular track, there wasn't any listed in the current catalog. So we are making it.
Lionel Talk To Us
I'm wondering if anyone at Lionel knows what they actually make there or is this the electronic equivalent of a call center where the folks sending replies aren't really connected with the toy train industry? Or do you think after the past few days of fielding questions about this the higher ups at Lionel started to wonder what the h*** is going on? I know not everyone knows everything about what the place they work at has or can do but if you don't know don't just wing it and hope you're right.
I for one am glad they are still making it as long as they actually are and this isn't another miscommunication.
Jerry
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