Your trademark is being used to make millions. And you get nothing CTT!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ben10ben

For 50 years, Lionel has used the UP name and logos without UP asking for so much as a cent. Why the sudden change of heart?

They probably have been sending Lionel letters for years. How do we know? You can only take things from the "nasty neighbors" for so long before you've had enough and finally have to take them to court.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AlanHN

jack

It's more than that, it is the goodwill that UP has paid over the years for the UP name. If the name was worthless then Lionel would not use it. WE are willing to pay for trains with the UP logo so why shouldn't Lionel pay too. Why should Lionel have a free lunch??

What this comes down to is that Lionel is using the UP name; making money using it and not paying for the right to use it . Why should Lionel have a market advantage over other Toy train manufacturers that ARE paying UP to use the UP name(s).

Up is not being greedy They are simply recouping value for value. Just because you dont have this kind of value or can get money for your name doesn't mean that it is worthless to UP or others like Coke or Pepsi.

These companies spend millions making the name mean something, and now you feel Lionel should be able to just take it gratis?!

I don't get why some feel that toy trains are somehow exempt from paying licensing fees?


Alan

AMEN! AMEAN AMEN!

And the people who call it free advertising are wrong. It isn't free advertising, it's called LEECHING. Lionel is using UP and is not paying. I just hope they don't hit too hard because Lionel will USE US and nail us for a lot more than a few dollars.

[rlplionel]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005Would you like some enterTRAINment hats, coffee mugs, t-shirts or post cards. I still have plenty.

Hey Big Boy, what do your hats look like? I may be interested in one or two.

[eZAK]

Elliot,

1) They are a corp. enity not just a railroad any more. They NEED to protect their corp. name, logo, & idenity in order to charge anyone who comes along in the future.
You have to charge everyone OR no one. Why now? I have a feeling when this is all over we all will know the exact reason.

2) These could also be charged for, spun off, or sold outright. And not just train related.

3) B/c they are waiting for the outcome! Once this is settled they all will jump on the band waggon b/c a precedence has been set.

Rember! Greed is all around you! It Is everwhere! You can not escape it!

After all it is part Human Nature! Also don't forget Lionel and Athearn are also corps. looking out for THEIR own bottom line!

[3railguy]

If you think you're going to make millions peddling silk screen T shirts, I'm afraid you're in for a surprise.

[Big_Boy_4005]

Hate to say it Jack, but the CTT masthead ain't worth 2 cents to me. I don't want to buy it!Would you like some enterTRAINment hats, coffee mugs, t-shirts or post cards. I still have plenty.

This is a free market, UP owns their trademark and has every right to TRY to collect every penny for their name. I have never claimed otherwise. We know that people are willing to pay for the use of Coke, Pepsi, Ford etc. Which of these is more valuable the Minnesota Twins or the New York Yankees, and it is an acceptable answer to say that they both suck.

My problems with UP's position are:
1) Why did they wait so long to do this?
2) Why are they seeking to the rights to the fallen flags?
3) Why aren't BNSF, NS, CP and CN taking similar action?

The only conclusion that I can draw from all of this is GREED!!!! And if there is one thing in this world that I can't stand, it's GREED!!!!! UP can call their action any damn thing they want. They can try to convince people that they are DEFENDING THEIR VALUABLE TRADEMARK. But in MY eyes they look like IDIOTS!!!!!! GREEDY IDIOTS!!!! I am not alone in this view.

Win or lose in court, UP is losing in the court of public opinion. In my mind, their grand history is tarnished by this action. This lawsuit is a BADWILL gesture, the GOODWILL is over. In the blink of an eye, UP has managed to destroy it's image. Nothing anyone says will change my mind about this.

[Anonymous]

There is a link to the filing in another of the many threads that have popped up about this.

It'd be nice if all of the separate threads were one. There's too much talk about legal issues & not enough about trains now.

Tony

[Anonymous]

i'd like to know if there is more to the story. (there has to be) if a lawsuit has been filed, it's a public document and we can read the complaint... cant we? now... where do we find it?

[ben10ben]

For 50 years, Lionel has used the UP name and logos without UP asking for so much as a cent. Why the sudden change of heart?

[Anonymous]

jack

It's more than that, it is the goodwill that UP has paid over the years for the UP name. If the name was worthless then Lionel would not use it. WE are willing to pay for trains with the UP logo so why shouldn't Lionel pay too. Why should Lionel have a free lunch??

What this comes down to is that Lionel is using the UP name; making money using it and not paying for the right to use it . Why should Lionel have a market advantage over other Toy train manufacturers that ARE paying UP to use the UP name(s).

Up is not being greedy They are simply recouping value for value. Just because you dont have this kind of value or can get money for your name doesn't mean that it is worthless to UP or others like Coke or Pepsi.

These companies spend millions making the name mean something, and now you feel Lionel should be able to just take it gratis?!

I don't get why some feel that toy trains are somehow exempt from paying licensing fees?


Alan

[Anonymous]

This is all it boils down to with Lionel and UP. As someone who owns trademarks, has paid thousands of dollars to secure them, and has lawyers attack anyone who infringes upon them without paying me a royality, I must say that this UP/Lionel thing has gone on long enough.

If you think UP is a villain because they want Lionel to pay for using their trademarks, just put yourself in UP's position.

Lets take CTT for example. I am going to start selling CTT T-shirts using their Mast head artwork and not give Kalmbach Publishing a dime. That's okay isn't it Neil? Afterall, it's free advertising, right? If you say that it's okay, I'll be heading to my silk-screening center with your artwork right away and I'll be listing CTT T-shirts for sale for $12.99. Argue with this one Elliot.