Question on a Lionel train set

[Train-O]

Deputy,

I contacted Withers, in Halifax, Penna.and the title is: "Train Masters", if you can wait I'll send you a copy in exchange for the Greenberg book.

Ralph

[Deputy]

Train-O

Dep,

Thanks for you suggestion, with engine smoke discoloring RR. equipment rooftops and bodies, black will solve everything.  No worry of a correct prototypical color.

I E-Mailed the D.L.&W. RR Historical Society and the President Will Shultz recommended a book of D.L.&W. RR. F.M. T.M. by Withers Publishing, which if contacting them direct a book may be purchased from them.
The book has drawings and photos. of Lackawanna and other RRs. which owned F.M. T.M.

I'll check a local hobby shop, which carries a vast number of books and if they don't have it I'll contact Withers Publishing.

Ralph  

Sounds good. I saw a bunch of books but I had no idea which would be the best reference. And the dang books are pricey!!!

[Train-O]

Dep,

Thanks for you suggestion, with engine smoke discoloring RR. equipment rooftops and bodies, black will solve everything.  No worry of a correct prototypical color.

I E-Mailed the D.L.&W. RR Historical Society and the President Will Shultz recommended a book of D.L.&W. RR. F.M. T.M. by Withers Publishing, which if contacting them direct a book may be purchased from them.
The book has drawings and photos. of Lackawanna and other RRs. which owned F.M. T.M.

I'll check a local hobby shop, which carries a vast number of books and if they don't have it I'll contact Withers Publishing.

Ralph  

[Deputy]

Ralph: A hint....black paint may solve your problems

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

[Train-O]

Deputy,

Thanks for your reply, as to the terms of prototype and scale. 

I PM you regarding the photo. of the real F.M. engine.

And, yes, I too like O-Scale, as they're more detailed and closer to proportional scale sizes and colors.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Ralph

[Deputy]

While I agree the cars in the picture are nice, my stuff is mainly O-Scale, so I need the scale rolling stock.

You have to be careful about two terms....prototypical and scale. As far as I know, ALL FM Trainmasters are "scale size". That includes FMs made by Lionel, MTH, Williams, and K-Line. However, not every FM is "prototypical". For instance, after an exhaustive search done by me and many others on this forum, we did NOT find an FM Trainmaster in the blue/tangerine color of the Jersey Central that Lionel and MTH made and make. It simply doesn't exist in those colors. Lionel must have thought the colors looked nice together (they certainly DO!) and just made an FM in those colors. MTH simply copied Lionel. And MTH recently released yet another tangerine/blue Jersey Central FM and it sold out rather rapidly. So it is a popular color scheme. It just never existed on an FM. Williams went completely bananas with their FMs and not only reproduced Lionel "fantasy" colors, but made FMs for raillroads that never had them (for example New York Central)!!!

As to the Erie Lackawanna colors, the only one I've been able to verify is the maroon top one. Here's a picture of it pulling some heavyweight passenger cars:

 

[Train-O]

Deputy,

First off, all of the Deleware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad Company (Lackawanna), Erie and Erie Lackawanna engines and cars you show are great to have, regardless of scale sizes.

Lionel's 1950's Lackawanna maroon roof version, accordingly, had the prototypical roof color scheme and yet their newer #6-18375, L.S.R.L.P. $449.99, 'Standard' 'O' engine in the 2006 Classic Trains, vol.1 catalog shows the engine with a dark grey roof, light grey body, large horizontal maroon stripes, thin hotizontal yellow stripes, some yellow coloring on it's ends and in the photo. it appears that the name 'Lackawanna' is a dark grey.
It states in the catalog: "These Lackawanna Train Master locomotives have been painstakingly replicated with the look and feel of the original prototype."

I don't know what was the actual prototypical color scheme, or are they using a play on words, or did the actual engines have some color variations?  Who, knows? 
These newer 16 1/2" long Lionel models can only be operated in T.M.C.C. and (more play on words)-Conventional Transformer Mode/(Conv. Mode).

What I would like to know is the scale length sizes of the F.M. 'Standard' 'O' and the 'Traditional' engines you show in the photos?

Thank You,

Happy Thanksgiving,

Ralph  

[Deputy]

Thanks guys. I found some scale MTH cabooses, so that's no sweat. They ARE very pricey...$55-$60 each. Boxcars and rolling stock are tough to locate and also pricey when you do find them. I did find ANOTHER MTH Erie Lackawanna FM loco (30-2619-1) that is scale and grabbed it for $300. It is the grey top version with Proto 2. The other one is the maroon top. Both have smoke. But the newer one is Rail King Scale and not Premiere. Here's the Rail King version: 

 

Here's the Premiere Proto 1 version;

[ADCX Rob]

 The "Standard O" extended vision caboose could pass for scale size, but the rest is all traditional Lionel O gauge equipment all from postwar tooling.

Rob

[ogauge]

 If you want true scale, keep looking... some of the cars there are traditional and some are out of the Lionel Standard O line  which probably won't keep you happy if you want scale.  They all have cast in grabs etc and the lettering will be below par for todays offerings.  Of course the SD40 was traditional, ie its short and the cab is too wide to make room for the Pullmor motors.  Its a perfectly fine train set however.  I'd be happy to have it in my stable.

[dougdagrump]

Can't help with the scale/non-scale question but it sure seems that the Lackawanna roadname stuff sure seems to fetch a fairly respectable price in the secondary market.

[Deputy]

I've added an MTH Erie Lackawanna Proto 1 FM loco to my stable and was looking for some scale Lackawanna rolling stock for it. VERY scarce from what I've been able to find so far on E-Bay. Anyway, I spotted this Lionel set and was wondering if anyone knew if this is scale or not?

The set description is Lionel #1451 Erie Lackawanna Limited Train Set 1984.
I have a bad feeling it's traditional size. Nice looking cars, but I need scale. It comes with an SD40 diesel.