Lionel bell & whistle control

[thankey]

When running engines in conventional mode, is it possible to have both a bell & whistle in the same engine controlled separately?  What cotroller would you use and how would it be hooked up?  Thanks

[krapug1]

Most newer generation transformers have seperate bell and whistle/horn controls.

I use a MTH Z-1000 as an example, and the hand held remote has these features.

I don't know if a seperate "bell control" is available that can be used with an older transformer
(like a ZW) that lacks a bell control.


Ken

[lionelsoni]

The one thing you can't do is to ring the bell and blow the whistle at the same time.  The signal to the locomotive (tender) to blow the whistle is a positive voltage on the center rail (relative to the outside rails) and to ring the bell, a negative voltage.  But you obviously can't have both positive and negative voltage at the same time.

[thankey]

Thanks for your reply.  That makes sense since reversing the connections rings the bell rahter than blows the horn.

Is there a lionel controller which will both blow the whistle and ring the bell separately?  Or is there some way to hook up two 167 wistle controllers or something else? 

[sir james I]

Lionel #6-5906 whistle or bell controller. But it has not been cataloged for quite some time. I would not try those old ones as many have burned out rectifiers in them and do not work anymore. Unless you do know it works.

[rtraincollector]

Lionel #6-5906 whistle or bell controller. But it has not been cataloged for quite some time. I would not try those old ones as many have burned out rectifiers in them and do not work anymore. Unless you do know it works.

Try Jeff Kane at the train tender he might have one in stock never know he has surprised me before

wwwttender.com

[bfskinner]

thankey,

The device you are looking for is Lionel part number 610-5906-001, "Sound Activation Button." They may still be ordered from Lionel Customer Service under "Order Lionel Replacement Parts." Look for item #9 on the page that comes up when you key-in the number above. $13.00 each, you may want two depending on what transformer you use.

The instructions for hooking up either one or two of these are easily found in the Owner's Manual for any modern loco with RailSounds.* The devices essentially replace the old 167's and will work with postwar equipment, although obviously you need a loco/tender with both a whistle and a bell for optimum performance. (There have been mixed reports about how well these devices work with old pre- and post-war air whistles, but my results have been good. They seem to work great with modern air whistles, as well as RailSounds, etc.

Again go to www.Lionel.com , Customer Service and search under Owner's Manuals. For example, look up the manual number 71-1100-250, page 12. Hook up is simple. Whether you use the existing whistle control button on,say, a postwar ZW and add just one 5906 to ring a bell;  or add two 5906 buttons to use with both whistle/horn and bell. Remember that you can't sound both whistle/horn and bell at the same time.*

If you have a very old transformer with no whistle button, you just need one 5906 to get a whistle controller. You'll need two to get both whistle and bell. You cannot "sound" a device you don't have, so your train must actually have a whistle/horn or bell, or both.

Note: there is a device similar but certainly not equal to the 5906 with a different number. It is for an arcane Lionel transformer that I have never seen. You want the 5906. 

*Here's what I do: With my postwar ZW, which has good-working rectifier diodes and clean contacts, I use the built-in controller to blow a postwar whistle or horn.

When I run a modern Railsounds loco/tender or boxcar, however, I wire up two 5906 buttons as shown in the manual, and never use the button built-in to the old ZW. In this situation, I could "get away" with just one 5906 but I choose not to. My thinking is "postwar with postwar; modern with modern."

I protect my transformers with fuses or circuit breakers; and the modern electronics with TVS's.

[lionelsoni]

There have been some topics in the past about making your own controller.  You might want to search for them.

[WestCelt]

lionelsoni

The one thing you can't do is to ring the bell and blow the whistle at the same time.  The signal to the locomotive (tender) to blow the whistle is a positive voltage on the center rail (relative to the outside rails) and to ring the bell, a negative voltage.  But you obviously can't have both positive and negative voltage at the same time.

 

Huh, what trains are these, I have a 2013 New York Central I sound the bell and let the bell ring and then blow the whistle and I go merrily along with bells and whistles abooming.

 

Roland

I do the same thing on my williams and bachmann Minniapolis St. Louis  engine.

[TrainLarry]

Roland,

What Bob is saying is if you were to press both the whistle and bell buttons at the exact same time, no sound would be produced because the positive and negative trigger voltages would cancel each other out.

The bell circuit in the locomotive/tender latches on with one press of the bell button. The whistle needs constant pressing of the button to operate, and does not latch the circuit.

Pressing the bell button, then the whistle button is probably what you are doing. I doubt you are pressing both buttons at exactly the same time.

Larry