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022 Switch Problems!!
Posted by lionel2 on Friday, April 25, 2008 6:27 AM
I am now hooking up my 022 switches for my layout.  I have 12 switches total, 11 of them work great, but 1 does not work right and i cannot figure out what is wrong.  When the switch is in the turning position, the light on the controller is red, but when i switch the controller to make the switch straight, the green light on controller does not light up, and i am unable to switch it anymore.  Any idea what might be wrong??  I am using fixed voltage from a KW transformer, the right wires, and all lionel postwar controllers and plugs.  thanks.
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Posted by kpolak on Friday, April 25, 2008 6:43 AM

Sounds like a short inside, or the switch (turnout) is bound up.

Can you turn the switch by the switch indicator (red/green lamp housing)?

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Posted by lionelsoni on Friday, April 25, 2008 7:28 AM

Not a short circuit but an open circuit.  It could be anywhere from the coil itself through the switch inside the turnout that disconnects the coil after the turnout moves through the cable back to the controller through the controller switch.

Does the turnout throw automatically when a train approaches from either trailing-point direction?

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Posted by fifedog on Friday, April 25, 2008 7:33 AM

Since this thread will probably get a few knowledgable looks, I have an O22 switch problem also...

This particular switches "points" dont snug up to the fixed rails when thrown, and I have to manually twist the lantern to lock them in place.  How can I adjust this?

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Posted by phillyreading on Friday, April 25, 2008 8:44 AM
 fifedog wrote:

Since this thread will probably get a few knowledgable looks, I have an O22 switch problem also...

This particular switches "points" dont snug up to the fixed rails when thrown, and I have to manually twist the lantern to lock them in place.  How can I adjust this?

You have to remove the switch solenoid from the base and re-align it properly, test fit it before putting it back together with the lantern cover.

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Posted by phillyreading on Friday, April 25, 2008 8:51 AM

Take the switch apart and clean all contact points, they will be either silver or copper color in appearance after you clean them. Also bench test(hook up a hot wire to the center rail and a common wire to the long continuos outside rail) your switch at the solenoid housing(where the switch control wires get hooked up) before putting it back in the layout by jumping off either outside terminal to the center terminal, this will tell you if the switch needs work or your controller needs work. If the switch works then your controller needs repair, if the switch don't work then the switch needs work.

Sometimes from experiance the 022 switch just up & dies, no way to fix except replace the solenoid.

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Posted by lionel2 on Friday, April 25, 2008 8:58 AM
Well, I narrowed it down.  Its not the switch controller, because i hooked it up to my good switches and it works perfect.  I will try to see if it will throw when i have the train cross onto it and make it switch.
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Posted by phillyreading on Friday, April 25, 2008 9:02 AM

One word of advice, the switch controller for 027 switches don't work as well as the 022 controller.

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Posted by lionel2 on Friday, April 25, 2008 9:03 AM

It is not throwing when the switch is straight to get it to throw into curve...It works fine when it is curved and it will switch to straight with no problems.  There is something wrong with the internals i think...i opened it up and there are no visible signs of something wrong.  I have no idea what to do.   Because I have 2 switches right be each other. One bad and one good.  The 2 curved parts of the 2 switches are connected to each other, like the one curve of the switch goes into the other curve of the other switch.  Everything else on the layout works fine, just this one dang switch.  I have finished wiring up my UCS sections and track power, and the coal ramp, just have to do 20 other accessories and fix the bad switch.

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Posted by lionel2 on Friday, April 25, 2008 9:06 AM
I am using 022 switch controllers, not the 027, i do not use 027 at all, too small.  the switch motor is fine, cause i got the switch to switch only 1 way but not the other way, the lights on the controller goes dead after i switch it once. then i cannot switch it back, unless i do it manually, but that switch is right in the middle of my layout and its a pain to get to.
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Posted by phillyreading on Friday, April 25, 2008 9:17 AM

 lionel2 wrote:
I am using 022 switch controllers, not the 027, i do not use 027 at all, too small.  the switch motor is fine, cause i got the switch to switch only 1 way but not the other way, the lights on the controller goes dead after i switch it once. then i cannot switch it back, unless i do it manually, but that switch is right in the middle of my layout and its a pain to get to.

Take your switch apart and clean the contacts, also make sure you have all the wire fastened inside. It is definetaly an internal switch problem!

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Posted by Blueberryhill RR on Friday, April 25, 2008 9:34 AM

lionel2................I had a similar problem with one of mine. I have 12 switches on my layout too. All are 022s.  I found the problem to be in the switch controller. The switch worked good, even in the non-derailiing feature. I changed switch controllers and it works fine.

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Posted by lionel2 on Friday, April 25, 2008 10:16 AM
I switches the switch controllers and the switch controller that was hooked up to the bad switch works just fine on other switches.  SO no problems with the switch controller.  Its gotta be the switch, i oped it up and cleaned the contacts and still the same thing.  This is delaying me a ton, hope i can get it figured out.  I think its an open circuit somewhere in the switch, the contacts are not touching or something.
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Posted by ben10ben on Friday, April 25, 2008 10:18 AM

This may be a long shot, but an O22 will behave as you've described if the controller isn't connected properly. Specifically, if the center wire of the controller ribbon is connected to one of the outer posts, the switch will only throw in one direction by the controller. 

For that matter, try just connecting a wire to the center post on the switch. The switch should throw if you touch it to either of the two outside posts. 

If this doesn't solve the problem, what the others have suggested should work well. As a first line of defense, pull the motor off, and spray the moving contacts and solenoid with CRC QD Electronics cleaner. Then, work the motor back and forth by hand, then powered with 18 volts. Be sure the contact cleaner is dry before applying power, however, as it contains methyl(wood) alcohol and is highly flammable. I've caught an O22 motor on fire(luckily without damage) before by failing to do just that.

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Posted by lionel2 on Friday, April 25, 2008 11:14 AM
Here is what I did next...i switched the motor of the switches, put a good motor on the switch that was bad, the switch that was at a hard place to get to on the layout, then i put then bad motor on a switch the is closer to the outside of the layout...still that motor housing is bad...i will try now to connect the switch contoller to the switch directly and see if that works.
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Posted by lionel2 on Friday, April 25, 2008 1:37 PM
IT WORKED!!!  I put a little bit of track cleaning solution on the contacts, now it works great!!  Just thought I would let you guys know, everything is A-OKAY.  Now i have 6 accessories all wired up and ready to run, just 15 more to go, then its playtime.  All this wiring under the table is mind boggling, even with terminal strips, I have 5 installed right now, 2 for track power, 1 for fixed voltage plugs for switches, and 2 for accessories.  Boy, I got alot of wiring. I use yellow and green wires for the accessories and red and green for track power, and yellow for fixed voltage plugs for switches.  I only have 350 more feet of wiring left to use, hope its enough, bet it is way too much wire i bought. 
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Posted by Blueberryhill RR on Friday, April 25, 2008 6:59 PM

lionel2..........Glad to hear that you solved the problem. You had me wondering on this one. I learned something.

Chuck

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