Ok, I dont know if its true, but it seams like nobody has talked to me or responded to me in a few days, is everybody mad at me, or is it my imagination?
Grayson
"Lionel trains are the standard of the world" - Jousha Lionel Cowen
I'm not mad at you, but then I don't know you that well either, should I be mad?
ATSJer wrote: I'm not mad at you, but then I don't know you that well either, should I be mad?
Not unless you want to be. Im a good kid, ask anybody thats not mad at me...
LS1Heli wrote:Why would you post a question like this?
Becuase alot of my posts have gotton bad ratings and replies.
Grayson, I don't think anyone is mad at you. But just think about it...
If you were to walk into a cafe, and there are a half a dozen or so of guys and gals sitting at a table talking. And you walk up and say hi. They all great you and invite you to sit down. Well, these folks continue with their chatter, and you don't find it real interesting because they are talking about there Mom's Cherry pie, and whose is better. Ok, this cafe has a lot of trains and stuff, and occassionally they start talking about trains. Well you enter the conversation and do quite well. Everyone is having a good time. So you all leave and say "later". Well, the next day you come in and here they are again, and a few different people too. So you sit down they all greet you, and today they are talking about Chicken and cherry pie. So you tell them that you are tired of hearing about chicken and pie, and go to a different table and say come over here and we won't talk about chicken and pie, we will talk about stuff I want to talk about.
So, they all kinda look at each other, and say Well, hate to see the young man sitting all by himself, but I've been sitting here at this table everyday for 3 years. And I kinda like kidding each other about Chicken and Pie. So they are all a bunch of old fuddy duddy's and just sit there wondering what to talk about. Now that doesn't mean they are mad at you or that they don't like you. But, if they can't talk about Chicken and Pie, they don't know what to say. (Remember their old.) And they kinda got them chairs worn in.
Now none of those people feel they own that table or control the conversation, and sometimes they may even fall asleep while there talking. But, they are still having a good time. Often one of them may say somethng, and it could be hours or even the next day, or possibly never before one of the others acknowledges what was said. That is just the way it is.
Now in the other room there are a whole bunch of kids, with ipods, gameboys, and really having a great time. They are all talking at the same time, and not necessarily to each other. Are they wrong for what they are doing? Of course not. Its just a totally different situation.
And I think that is what is happening.
In my case, when I first came here I was kinda quiet, and just watched awhile to see what was going on. And then slowly started asking questions and talking. That's all. You havn't done anything WRONG, but I know that I ALWAYS learn more by listening to what others say, than I do by listening to what I say. So try what I do, just envsion you are talking to real people and everything will work out fine.
Don't mean to lecture, just trying to help
Don
dbaker48 wrote: Grayson, I don't think anyone is mad at you. But just think about it...If you were to walk into a cafe, and there are a half a dozen or so of guys and gals sitting at a table talking. And you walk up and say hi. They all great you and invite you to sit down. Well, these folks continue with their chatter, and you don't find it real interesting because they are talking about there Mom's Cherry pie, and whose is better. Ok, this cafe has a lot of trains and stuff, and occassionally they start talking about trains. Well you enter the conversation and do quite well. Everyone is having a good time. So you all leave and say "later". Well, the next day you come in and here they are again, and a few different people too. So you sit down they all greet you, and today they are talking about Chicken and cherry pie. So you tell them that you are tired of hearing about chicken and pie, and go to a different table and say come over here and we won't talk about chicken and pie, we will talk about stuff I want to talk about.So, they all kinda look at each other, and say Well, hate to see the young man sitting all by himself, but I've been sitting here at this table everyday for 3 years. And I kinda like kidding each other about Chicken and Pie. So they are all a bunch of old fuddy duddy's and just sit there wondering what to talk about. Now that doesn't mean they are mad at you or that they don't like you. But, if they can't talk about Chicken and Pie, they don't know what to say. (Remember their old.) And they kinda got them chairs worn in. Now none of those people feel they own that table or control the conversation, and sometimes they may even fall asleep while there talking. But, they are still having a good time. Often one of them may say somethng, and it could be hours or even the next day, or possibly never before one of the others acknowledges what was said. That is just the way it is.Now in the other room there are a whole bunch of kids, with ipods, gameboys, and really having a great time. They are all talking at the same time, and not necessarily to each other. Are they wrong for what they are doing? Of course not. Its just a totally different situation.And I think that is what is happening.In my case, when I first came here I was kinda quiet, and just watched awhile to see what was going on. And then slowly started asking questions and talking. That's all. You havn't done anything WRONG, but I know that I ALWAYS learn more by listening to what others say, than I do by listening to what I say. So try what I do, just envsion you are talking to real people and everything will work out fine.Don't mean to lecture, just trying to help
So it appears you are reffering to my post "Grayson's Caboose" aye? See, im just creating my own version of it. There are many people on these forums who dont go to the pot, thats who Im trying to draw in, as well as people that are on the pot. My main reason wasnt what they were talking about, it was the actual atmosphere of it I had my issues with. I just wanted to create my owm version of it. I have no problem with them talking about what they talk about, I just want to create my owm version, where everyone is welcome, and you dont have to create the "respect" aspect of it. I noticed that in the pot, you have to post alot to gain the "respect" part about it. Also, I never seemed to be welcome at the Coffee Pot, never really listened to or something, I dont know, maybe thats my imagination working on me to...
So, I hope that whas what you was referring to Don, by the way, I noticed that you gave my post about the "Heritage Scheme by Lionel" a 'teribble' rating.....
magicman710 wrote:<>So it appears you are reffering to my post "Grayson's Caboose" aye? See, im just creating my own version of it. There are many people on these forums who dont go to the pot, thats who Im trying to draw in, as well as people that are on the pot. My main reason wasnt what they were talking about, it was the actual atmosphere of it I had my issues with. I just wanted to create my owm version of it. I have no problem with them talking about what they talk about, I just want to create my owm version, where everyone is welcome, and you dont have to create the "respect" aspect of it. I noticed that in the pot, you have to post alot to gain the "respect" part about it. Also, I never seemed to be welcome at the Coffee Pot, never really listened to or something, I dont know, maybe thats my imagination working on me to... So, I hope that whas what you was referring to Don, by the way, I noticed that you gave my post about the "Heritage Scheme by Lionel" a 'teribble' rating..... Grayson
Yes, your correct on both counts....
I assumed that your were concerned about people not posting to "YOUR POT" is why THIS thread was started. Nothing wrong with "YOUR POT", I was just trying to relay why people wouldn't nesassarily post. Doesn't matter whether Grayson created it, Don created or whomever. Many, many people participate in this forum WITHOUT going to any pot. And that's fine. A lot of people don't have the time, and some don't have the interest.
As far as gaining respect, that's true anywhere. People need to get to know you, and build a relationship. This is NOT the same as "I'm ing" as in AOL or wherever. You can NOT expect every post to be responded to. There is just too many. I've posted many times and never seen answers as has many other people.
As far as the terible rating, Yes I did that. The when Zeke's name got drug into it, it was for Attention purposes only. Sure, he did wrong, and that was bore out. And it was history. There was absolutely NO need to bring it back in. He caused pain, but he too has had his share I'm sure, (and I'm not relating to the story he told us.) We don't know what else is going on in his world so he doesn't need to be roasted here. And that thread gave the entire forum a bad name. (This one isn't doing it any good either.)
So, you say your mature, then as long as your represent yourself as such, you will be treated that way I'm sure. So put all this behind you and just join in and have fun with the rest of us. You will most likely be teased, quoted, respected, ignored, laughed at, and talked too.
See ya later.
AND, if they are, so ?. This "older" guy's train just won't stop at their station!
Hey Grayson. I started posting on the pot a while ago (It's been at least a year and I think it's been 2 years) and sometimes I got the feeling nobody was reading my posts, too. Sometimes I still do?! But, then I realized that when I tried to reply to everyone and comment on all the posts that had gone by while I was at work or whatever, that it became a big chore and also boring for the readers (my guess), so while I read them all, I just comment on the ones I remember I had something to say about - y'know? Also, you can easily see where someone posted and another person posted a reply and they actually had a short conversation of posts going back and forth for a while - well, by the time I get there, that was usually hours ago and adding to it is usually like repeating the punchline of a joke somebody told the day before. They might smile, but they probably will just move along to the next post and not try to start it up again. Sometimes it does start up again or goes in a different direction, too. There aren't any rules.
I think the coffee pot is great. I tried to start one on a dvd website that I sometimes visit and had zero luck. This is the kind of thing that either works or it doesn't, and I don't know what you could do differently.
My wife thinks I'm crazy for talking about all these folks that I "don't even know", but then she doesn't need much of an excuse to think I'm crazy! Recently, I was talking with her about a former poster and a post purporting to be from a girlfriend telling us he was in the hospital, maybe dying, etc. Well, that's just dumb. Oh yeah, well I told her if I died suddenly, I would want her to post it on the pot no matter what, just so folks would know I didn't quit on them, but had a (hopefully) Higher Calling to attend to, and I would be looking forward to meeting up in a better place.
RIP Chewy - best dog I ever had.
dbaker48 wrote: magicman710 wrote:<>So it appears you are reffering to my post "Grayson's Caboose" aye? See, im just creating my own version of it. There are many people on these forums who dont go to the pot, thats who Im trying to draw in, as well as people that are on the pot. My main reason wasnt what they were talking about, it was the actual atmosphere of it I had my issues with. I just wanted to create my owm version of it. I have no problem with them talking about what they talk about, I just want to create my owm version, where everyone is welcome, and you dont have to create the "respect" aspect of it. I noticed that in the pot, you have to post alot to gain the "respect" part about it. Also, I never seemed to be welcome at the Coffee Pot, never really listened to or something, I dont know, maybe thats my imagination working on me to... So, I hope that whas what you was referring to Don, by the way, I noticed that you gave my post about the "Heritage Scheme by Lionel" a 'teribble' rating..... GraysonYes, your correct on both counts....I assumed that your were concerned about people not posting to "YOUR POT" is why THIS thread was started. Nothing wrong with "YOUR POT", I was just trying to relay why people wouldn't nesassarily post. Doesn't matter whether Grayson created it, Don created or whomever. Many, many people participate in this forum WITHOUT going to any pot. And that's fine. A lot of people don't have the time, and some don't have the interest. As far as gaining respect, that's true anywhere. People need to get to know you, and build a relationship. This is NOT the same as "I'm ing" as in AOL or wherever. You can NOT expect every post to be responded to. There is just too many. I've posted many times and never seen answers as has many other people. As far as the terible rating, Yes I did that. The when Zeke's name got drug into it, it was for Attention purposes only. Sure, he did wrong, and that was bore out. And it was history. There was absolutely NO need to bring it back in. He caused pain, but he too has had his share I'm sure, (and I'm not relating to the story he told us.) We don't know what else is going on in his world so he doesn't need to be roasted here. And that thread gave the entire forum a bad name. (This one isn't doing it any good either.)So, you say your mature, then as long as your represent yourself as such, you will be treated that way I'm sure. So put all this behind you and just join in and have fun with the rest of us. You will most likely be teased, quoted, respected, ignored, laughed at, and talked too.See ya later.
Thanks Don, I think we should let this post go.
But anyway, come on over and introduce yourself at the Caboose, ok?
I'm not in the pot or caboose!
Njalb you're killing me.
Kurt
PS Grayson: To answer your question...No.
Not surprisingly, that was so well put forth I can only add one thing.
When you are in your teens and a gentleman such as Don, with a world of experience in his pocket takes the time to explain to you the valuable lessons of life's experience,
the first word out of your mouth shouldn't be "but"
Learn from those who have lived three or four of your short lifetimes. They know of what they speak.
Well done, Don.
Frank53 wrote: dbaker48 wrote: Grayson, I don't think anyone is mad at you. But just think about it...If you were to walk into a cafe, and there are a half a dozen or so of guys and gals sitting at a table talking. And you walk up and say hi. They all great you and invite you to sit down. Well, these folks continue with their chatter, and you don't find it real interesting because they are talking about there Mom's Cherry pie, and whose is better. Ok, this cafe has a lot of trains and stuff, and occassionally they start talking about trains. Well you enter the conversation and do quite well. Everyone is having a good time. So you all leave and say "later". Well, the next day you come in and here they are again, and a few different people too. So you sit down they all greet you, and today they are talking about Chicken and cherry pie. So you tell them that you are tired of hearing about chicken and pie, and go to a different table and say come over here and we won't talk about chicken and pie, we will talk about stuff I want to talk about.So, they all kinda look at each other, and say Well, hate to see the young man sitting all by himself, but I've been sitting here at this table everyday for 3 years. And I kinda like kidding each other about Chicken and Pie. So they are all a bunch of old fuddy duddy's and just sit there wondering what to talk about. Now that doesn't mean they are mad at you or that they don't like you. But, if they can't talk about Chicken and Pie, they don't know what to say. (Remember their old.) And they kinda got them chairs worn in. Now none of those people feel they own that table or control the conversation, and sometimes they may even fall asleep while there talking. But, they are still having a good time. Often one of them may say somethng, and it could be hours or even the next day, or possibly never before one of the others acknowledges what was said. That is just the way it is.Now in the other room there are a whole bunch of kids, with ipods, gameboys, and really having a great time. They are all talking at the same time, and not necessarily to each other. Are they wrong for what they are doing? Of course not. Its just a totally different situation.And I think that is what is happening.In my case, when I first came here I was kinda quiet, and just watched awhile to see what was going on. And then slowly started asking questions and talking. That's all. You havn't done anything WRONG, but I know that I ALWAYS learn more by listening to what others say, than I do by listening to what I say. So try what I do, just envsion you are talking to real people and everything will work out fine.Don't mean to lecture, just trying to help Not surprisingly, that was so well put forth I can only add one thing.When you are in your teens and a gentleman such as Don, with a world of experience in his pocket takes the time to explain to you the valuable lessons of life's experience,the first word out of your mouth shouldn't be "but"Learn from those who have lived three or four of your short lifetimes. They know of what they speak.Well done, Don.
Just a quick note on experience and wisdom, a wiseman is a fool with experience they are living breathing idiot's guide and for dummies books I like both series of books by the way
and I am not mad just quite at the moment. I have been reading both the pot and caboose just not posting much.
Where did I say but? I agreed with Don and thanked him for his advise!
magicman710 wrote: Where did I say but? I agreed with Don and thanked him for his advise!
ok - to be more freaking blunt:
When someone gives you really good advice, try not blurting out "see, I'm just . . "
My mistake for using the word "but" instead of "see, I'm just . . ."
You see, you're just smarter and more experienced than me or anyone else trying to give you some good and friendly advice - as opposed to advise.
Frank53 wrote: magicman710 wrote: Where did I say but? I agreed with Don and thanked him for his advise! ok - to be more freaking blunt:When someone gives you really good advice, try not blurting out "see, I'm just . . "My mistake for using the word "but" instead of "see, I'm just . . ."You see, you're just smarter and more experienced than me or anyone else trying to give you some good and friendly advice - as opposed to advise.
I dont know about you Frank, but I believe in telling the truth. When I say "see, im just" I am explaining what I did. Is that such a problem? Saying why I created it? I did never say that I didnt say I was smarter than you are anyone else. Im probably not, but telling the truth is not being smart, its being honest. Apperently Frank, your getting confused with respect and honesty. I never did not thank Don for his advise.
Ask any teen on this forum this question and they will tell you this answer: The worst part about telling people if you are young is being treated this way. Your not treated equally.
sounds like you've got it all figured out.
Good luck with that.
If you had waited a while, looked around, you would have seen that there is not that much traffic on this forum. The pot can go for several hours without a post. Thats just normal here. you didn't do anything wrong I just don't see the need. Me I'm new to the pot but they welcomed me I liked that and we have trains in common plus like grits/hate grits, north/south,The Chief and his goat farm(thats new) and each day brings something else.
don't give up join in. Sir James
"IT's GOOD TO BE THE KING",by Mel Brooks
Charter Member- Tardis Train Crew (TTC) - Detroit3railers- Detroit Historical society Glancy Modular trains- Charter member BTTS
Frank53 wrote: sounds like you've got it all figured out.Good luck with that.
Is that honesty Frank or trickery? Also, it seems like you have a problem with me, almost 90% of your posts to me is negative, is this true?
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I had some extra apostrophes, so I put them here for anyone who needs one.
Bob Nelson
Grayson,
Sometimes it's better to just sit and listen.
God bless TCA 05-58541 Benefactor Member of the NRA, Member of the American Legion, Retired Boss Hog of Roseyville , KC&D Qualified
ChiefEagles wrote:You have argued with everyone who has tried to give you good advice. Now argue with this statement. I've tried to visit any one of the guys on the forum if I am in there area. I drove from Palm Springs to San Diego to visit Doug Wallace. Why? Because I thought he was a great person [and he is]. Don Baker drove from the LA area to Palm Springs to meet me. He is a great person. I've vistied Buckeye several times. Chuck and I met on my last trip through Ohio. Bob Nelson took me into his home and fed me his cooking. Roy McClellan picke me up in Ft. Worth and took me to lunch and to his club layout. Jim A, I have visted several times because he lives close to Manchester NH where I go to the home office of my part-time job. The PA/MD gang met me in Harrisburg for lunch [where the Great Grits Caper was]. They took me train watching. John F took me into his house and we ran trains. Dennis W. and family met me in Savanah while I was at Bass Pro Shops and we had several meals together. Bob Keller at CTT took me through their offices and I was treated like a king. Elliot F [Bigboy] and Tammy took me to dinner and back to his house to see his layout. Been to Dewey's and Lisa's. Had lunch and a long chat with Frank 53 [who drove a ways to meet me]. Hope to see Dr. John [maybe Dennis can get there too] next month. Skyray [you've never met] and maybe Lee and some others when I go to Miami the next month. Would hve seen Doug M but missed him when I was in Chicago area [he was down south]. Been hoping to go see Tom P, John S and Keith some day. Jonel [Jon Englehart] and wife came to Rogers Min. to vist while I was at Cabela's. Might get to see "Tim Pigseye Mitchell" [you've never met] if I do the Cabela's in his area this fall [not sure of that one]. Hope I have not missed someone. If so, forgive me. See, the gang on CTT are great folks. They will great you with open arms. First few times I met some of the gang, my wife said, "Aren't you concerned you are meeting someone you don't know. They could be killers." "Honey, don't worry. I can tell they are good folks and Christians." I think it was Buckeye I met first [big killer ]. A young person like you needs to learn patience. I know, I was young once [a long time ago]. You want to fit in. Join in. If no one posts a reply to your post, probably not because they don't like you, just so many posts now, they can't reply to them all. You weren't here when the old software let us back up and review all the posts. Now we can't. I read a lot of them and think of a reply. By the time I get through reading, I've forgotten most of them. These guys know, that if I miss their post, its not because I am mad at them. If it is really important, they email me and say somthing about it. I do the same to them. No one person on this forum is in charge except the CTT staff. God bless.
Thank you Chief for your advise. And thank to Don too. I must not have a wide defitiniton for "argue", maybe because Im young and dont know everything, I dont know. Why do all of you think Im arguing and not thanking? A thanked Don, and tried to explain why I created the caboose, I was giving information.
Anyway, please let this post die, it seams like it really is making people not like me.
lionel2986 wrote:I'm not mad at you either. As a matter of fact, I'm not mad at anyone on these forums. Although someone has gotten defensive with one of my posts while I didn't mean to seem offensive. I guess my communication skills are lacking.Like most people already said, the coffee pot moves way too fast to keep up with everything. Sometimes when I post on there, I only look at the last page. I'm on dail-up and have an 8 year old computer. It takes some time for pages to load and posts to submit. But soon I'll have DSL and I'm ordering more memory for the computer. I also just finished a night class I have been taking this summer at my college. Maybe you guys will see more of me. I can relate to your comment about age. I'm 21 and feel like I'm in the least popular age group for this hobby. I took note of this in an age poll I saw here (or another train forum) some time ago. I don't let that get to me and I enjoy this forums because of the older crowd. I don't notice the kindness and respect I see here with people my age. These people are very open, welcoming and willing to help. I think the older age of this community has something to do with it. When I first signed up, I sat low and quiet because I wasn't used to this. Who knows, I don't even know if what I'm saying right now makes any sense. All I have to say is hopefully my generation grows to be like these people. That way I don't have to loose my sense of humor.
Yea, I like people like you, the ones who have made only 1000 posts or less. You seam like the nicest people, I dont know why. I feel this thread is ruining my reputation.
About the age issue, I could write a book. It was all find and dandy with me and everybody else, I was treated like everybody else. Now, it seems something has happened since my age release. I feel like im treated like a kid (which i am, but never like to be treated like it) and never get the same answers I could have got when everybody though I was there age. The part about Frank saying stuff about my age and not asking but and everything else. If I was still thought of as an adult, that wouldent be a issue. Look, a teen is not a child, but not an adult. Its a young-adult. I think by 12 you should be considered a young adult. Take my word, I recommended any kids here, that havent revealed their age, not to reveal it. Trust me, you will be treated differently. The only thing you can do is not majorly give yourself away. Type formal, dont use abbreviations for words or anything that can give yourself away. I discovered what happens.
Anyway, if you didnt know, I am a very bored person. I have almost nothig to do besides playing with my trains or come here. I spend 90% of my time on the internet on these forums. Im on here as soon as I wake up (because morning seams like the busiest time) and at night before I go to bed. Im very devoted, yall are the only major friends I have, remeber that. Besides school, Im a country southern boy, and you dont have many neighbors or friends then.
Anyway, Ill probably be on here until 2 tonight, like always, and be here at 12 in the morning.
magicman710 wrote:Take my word, I recommended any kids here, that havent revealed their age, not to reveal it. Trust me, you will be treated differently. The only thing you can do is not majorly give yourself away. Type formal, dont use abbreviations for words or anything that can give yourself away. I discovered what happens.
lionelsoni -
lionel2986 wrote:I can relate to your comment about age. I'm 21 and feel like I'm in the least popular age group for this hobby. I took note of this in an age poll I saw here (or another train forum) some time ago. I don't let that get to me and I enjoy this forums because of the older crowd. I don't notice the kindness and respect I see here with people my age. These people are very open, welcoming and willing to help. I think the older age of this community has something to do with it. When I first signed up, I sat low and quiet because I wasn't used to this. Who knows, I don't even know if what I'm saying right now makes any sense. All I have to say is hopefully my generation grows to be like these people. That way I don't have to loose my sense of humor.
Lionel 2986 - I can't speak for everyone on this forum, but what a compliment! What you said made a lot of sense. You don't need to be a particular age to be polite and civil. Sometimes however, it does take a little more time. A case in point -- There are a couple posts regarding a Culvert loader and unloader. The guy that responded even provide phone numbers if the information he had was not on target.
Regarding the age thing, all of the "Senior" guys are doing there best to try and encourage young people into this hobby. Those efforts are visible in many places. As far as treating anyone bad for being youthful. I havn 't seen it. Glad your part of the forum, and congradulations on your class.
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