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Finished door Layout! Small but a real blast!

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Finished door Layout! Small but a real blast!
Posted by msacco on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:13 PM

Just finished this for my two nephews. Didn't quite make Christmas but I will deliver it next week to them.

   I got this door layout from Thortrains and it's really a lot of fun. A switcher and a few cars and you can have a lot of fun. I installed 4 remote tracks to increase the switching possiblities. Also, added a 397 and a milk car/platform and gateman. 

    I've included a few pics. All wiring is invisible as I had a shop teacher route the bottom as seen in pic 3. Buried all wires and it came out pretty nice. Almost don't want to part with it.

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Posted by Birds on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:18 PM

Great looking layout! Thumbs Up [tup]

Some Beeps and Buddy's would look good on that too.

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Posted by msacco on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:23 PM

Oh, I forgot! I'm including a Milwaukee Beep. It runs better on this layout than my O gauge tubular big layout.

 

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Posted by EIS2 on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:56 PM

I like the way your wiring looks.  You must be a special uncle to your nephews.

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Posted by darianj on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:08 AM
Nice layout.  They'll have a lot of fun with that!Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Jumijo on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:12 AM

That looks great! I hope to build one with my children someday soon.

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Posted by RR Redneck on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:18 AM
Looks good. Hope the kids enjoy it.

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Posted by mickey4479 on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:59 PM
That is cool.  Lots of color and action.  Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Dave Farquhar on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:13 PM
I like how you painted the surface. Can you describe the technique you used to paint the grass? I don't know that I've ever seen a layout that looks quite like it.
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Posted by msacco on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:21 PM

Dave,

Since this layout is for really young boys (6 and 4), I kept it toy like. It's also meant to be stored away when not in use in a vertical position. Because of this I elected not to use ground foam. Mostly because I didn't want my sister-in-law to have to be vacuuming it up all the time. Same for ballast.

    I still wanted to give them a turf and ballast look so I basically brushed in some dark green and creamy yellow house paint to give it a faux shrubby kind of look. Kept it wet and just pushed paint around with the brush. Almost like sponging but with a brush.

   I figure if they want and my sister-in-law is up to it, they can add ground foam and ballast on their own. Can't do the whole thing for themSmile [:)]

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Posted by Dave Farquhar on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:27 PM
I think it looks really good just the way it is. It's distinctive. I may have to try that technique out once I finalize my layout.
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Posted by Dr. John on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM
Mike, simply outstanding!Thumbs Up [tup]
 
I'm a big proponent of door layouts. My last "permanent" layout was made from 3 doors making an approximately 5x9 layout. I also built a temporaru test layout using the identical trackplan to yours (yes, from thortrains.net) with Marx manual swithces, but without any scenery. Yours looks great! Using a router to create wiring channels is a great idea. I also like the paint technique you used. I imagine your nephews will be thrilled! Smile [:)]
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Posted by luther_stanton on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:09 PM

That is a really great layout - nice use of space. I especially like the accessories - defintely increases the play value and makes things more interesting.

It is amazing what you did in the space of a door! 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 7:36 PM
Nice work, Mike!  I hope those youngsters appreciate what a talented uncle they have.  I'm sure their mom will!  Any kid receiving that layout is very lucky indeed!
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Posted by johnandjulie13 on Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:16 PM

I love it!  I wish I had an Uncle like you when I was a youngin'

Regards,

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Posted by Brutus on Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:01 PM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

Great job!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:47 AM
I am curious about the wiring arrangement.  It appears there is a main feeder runing down the middle on the underneath side with wiring to the vaious accessories.  What is the main feeder line made of and how is the wiring from the transformer and the accessories connected to it?  Thanks
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Posted by thor on Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:03 PM
Amazing!  Also a great 'get off your bum you lazy so and so' inspiration for yours truly!  Expect a 'me too' in the not too distant future.
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Posted by Wes Whitmore on Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:04 PM

I would say that you are seeing duct tape, not the feeder line.  Is that what you mean?

Look great!

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Posted by Jumijo on Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:27 PM

I know I've already chimed in, but I'd like to say it again. That is one wonderful little layout. It's an inspirational, motivational thing for me to see. I hope to build one very much like it soon.

Great job!!! 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:30 PM
I should of looked closer.  That does look like duct tape!  Thanks.
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Posted by Wes Whitmore on Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:03 PM

This is the first door layout I have seen.  I assume that this is a 30" wide door? 

So is the main benifit weight?  Why else choose a door instead of a piece of 3/4 ply?  It looks great, it just never would have occured to use a door.  Do you just go out and get a blank without the knob hole?

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Posted by msacco on Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:58 PM

I see this thread has come up again. As an update I'd just like to say that my two nephews are really enjoying the layout.

   Now to answer some questions: It's  a 30 inch door with no knob purchased at HD. It's primary benefit is size/portability. It's heavier than you might think but can be lifted and stored vertically pretty easily. Sans coal loader and other heavier accessories.

    Now there's no bus wire here. It's duct tape that I ran down the main channel. All wiring is neatly tucked in those channels, but I decided to just tape up the main conduit.

 Any other questions just fire away. It was a real blast making this and I liked playing with it too.

 

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Posted by jimhaleyscomet on Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:31 PM

Here is a little 36" door layout I completed a while ago.  Along the side were switches where I could switch off a section of the inner or outer loop.  Door construction (especially if you find  a light door!) is very rigid, yet light.  The only down side is it tends to be a tad loud.  I regularly ran two trains that were about the same speed on each loop (for a total of 4 operating trains) plus one or two on the switched sidings.  I actually had a lot of fun with this layout until I decided to make it bigger on a two door layout.  Now I wish I had kept it!

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Posted by Dr. John on Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:39 PM
Jim, you and Mike both have built excellent door layouts. I can see your inner tracks are O-27. What is your outer track? Gargraves? K-Line Shadow Rail?
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Posted by jimhaleyscomet on Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:51 PM

I used 031 K-line snap track on the outer loop.  Actually a made a few mistakes on this layout that I might change next time.  First is that it was a 36" door.  That would be o.k. except it means you have to flip it sideways to go through a door and therefore I had to remove trains, and make sure track, buildings and ground foam was securely attached.   For ease of portability I could have gone with a 30" door  but I would have lost the outer track.  I liked having an outer track so trains could pass in opposite directions.  My second mistake (not shown) was adding a fully landscaped mountain on the end (with two tunnels).  It was a great idea but made transportation even more difficult!  I guess you need to know what you want an then stick with it.  

Still, it was a ton of fun.  You could reverse train direction with the reverse loop, pick up ice at the ice house and use the switches to drop or add cars.  The short siding was long enough so one train could pass another (RMT beep, one car, and caboose).   The outside "mainline" was used just for running. 

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Posted by Wes Whitmore on Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:30 PM

How good do you have to be to run 4 trains at the same time on that small of a track?  Also, how did you control each of the two trains on that track?  I'm new to controls, and without DCS, I have no idea how you would do it.

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Posted by jimhaleyscomet on Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:49 PM

Running two trains on the same track was fairly easy to wire but an operational challenge.

I took 1/4 of the oval and insulated the center rail at either end.  Then I ran a power lead off the transformer to a household light switch and then on to the center rail of the insulated 1/4 section.  NOTE: Power for the entire outside loop was off of just one transformer post....it is just that the power to the 1/4 loop went through the on/off switch. 

Now to operate the easy way...lock the engines in forward.  I started with very short trains (usually short engine (BEEP), one cargo car, and a caboose).   For easiest operation pick two trains similar in speed.  As one train (the fast one) begins to catch up just stop the power to the 1/4 loop as soon as the "slow" train leaves the 1/4 loop.  The fast train will stop as it enters the 1/4 loop while the slow train will proceed around the still powered 3/4 loop.  Flick the power to the 1/4 loop back on as the slower train traverses the powered 3/4 block and is about to enter the 1/4 dead block.  Running four trains means that I had to be flicking 2 switches off /on.  It was a challenge and is what made it so fun.  Then once you get it good at it you can make the challenge harder by having trains that run at different speeds or making the trains longer or allowing the reverse units to cycle.  Then be ready for the crash!!! It is part of the fun!

Running the trains at far below maximum speed is probably a good idea.  You do not want to be using a switch to apply full transformer power to a stationary train.  It could strip the gears.   Another option would be to replace the on/off switch with a reostat so you slow the faster train instead of just stopping it.   

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Posted by jimhaleyscomet on Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:51 PM
P.S.  This is of course for hands on operation only.  If you want a hands off layout you have to add more blocks, insulated track sections, and maybe even relays.
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Posted by Wes Whitmore on Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:23 PM

Thanks for the explanation.  I had no idea how you would do it.  For a truely hands on, you can replace those switches with momentary push button switches as well.  But then you couldn't run just one train all the time, unless the push button actually created an open.  I bet it would be fun.

How many other people on here have their main layout on something the size of a door?  I think it would be fun to attach two doors together with 6" long dowels or 2x4s and run a subway system under it.  I got that idea from my local hobby shop's layout.  Of course, theirs was a big layout.

Wes

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