Please read this as it seems this forum had no knowledge of it.
http://www.lionel.com/articles/ELECTRIC-RAILROAD
Life's hard, even harder if your stupid John Wayne
http://rtssite.shutterfly.com/
WOW!!!
So glad I never got into that in the first place. Almost did but backed out as new stuff was coming out. How long will they support the new stuff? Money has a very short site. I will just run mine with the transformer. Sorry Suckers!
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Kev, From The North Bluff Above Marseilles IL.
How can you respond to ignorance.
Ignorance? You got a point there, I think? As far as I can see they don't support any of the old transformer stuff either. Now it is Blue tooth and run your trains on your phone and tablet. What next? From what I see the kids are just not into it these days. Kinda like 8 tracks.
Lionel is just like all the rest of todays places. Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.
It's not just Lionel MTH sets no longer come with any type of controller, you have to add something. The problem is elecronic parts change and getting what is need for the boards becomes obsolete.
"IT's GOOD TO BE THE KING",by Mel Brooks
Charter Member- Tardis Train Crew (TTC) - Detroit3railers- Detroit Historical society Glancy Modular trains- Charter member BTTS
IMO. It's just like what the did with K-line. Eliminate it. Thus removing a product competing with their overpriced low quality line they're pushing. I really don't think that Lionel would still be around today, or if it was, be a big factor in the industry if K-line never sold out.
M. Kline put himself out of business by making poor bussiness decisions. Lionel still outsells all the others by miles. They will be around awhile in spite of their poor customer relations decisions.
K-Line didn't sell out they got caught using a copy right product of Lionel. Lionel basically put them out of business.
Lionel and MTH both have been having big problems with quality control and seems they can't get a handle on it. Which they really need to do so. To some of us older ones, the way they and MTH are heading it is putting us where we don't want their products. If you don't stay up on all the new technology your getting left behind in a hobby you help develop to where it is today kinda.
I never was big into technology but I did have some engines that where TMCC. Some I did the ERR upgrade. Which was a great product for it's time but it has gotten to where it is old technology so Lionel has decided to let it go. A lot where upset by it as it ment they couldn't upgrade and engines that where conventional. But supposedly Lionel is working with someone who wants to keep it going but with different parts to do the same. We will see. To me it's time Lionel let a form of Legacy be released so there is a better product to upgrade conventional.
sir james I M. Kline put himself out of business by making poor bussiness decisions. Lionel still outsells all the others by miles. They will be around awhile in spite of their poor customer relations decisions.
Yep,
And if Edsel had bought out everyone else we would all be driving one.
rtraincollector K-Line didn't sell out they got caught using a copy right product of Lionel. Lionel basically put them out of business.
I wasn't aware of that. I know Lionel was sued by MTH for copywrite/stealing thier plans and had to pay up big!
If I remember correctly it was a steam engine of some type. A big one.
The court threw out the judgement against Lionel in the Lionel-MTH dispute. Here are some of the stories we ran on the MTH-Lionel and Lionel-K-Line litigation:
Train drawings stolen, MTH sues Lionel N&N July 2000 p23
Bob Keller
I heard, not sure if it's true though that Lionel had to hand over its tin plate line to MTH as part of a settlement? Any truth to that?
From what I heard Lionel Licensed it to MTH. It was shortly after the deal so there was some speculation on that but nothing never came of it other than speculation.
Thanks Bob for the info.
KRM Now it is Blue tooth and run your trains on your phone and tablet.
Who is "you"? It isn't me. I don't have Bluetooth or a SmartPhone or a Tablet.
I got roped into TMCC becasue of wanting an engine I couldn't get any other way. I now have three and one Legacy, and I regret every minute of it.
When the CC stuff fails, i intend to rip out the guts and install a bridge rectifier and run on the transformers again. I don't care if I lose the Gee-Whiz gadgetry: the trains will actualy run reliably. Heck, the sounds, lights, and smoke cut out and malfunction now, so I don't have them much anyway.
Or I may gut them entirely and run straight DC. The lights, at least, won't care.
In any case, I am pretty much done with Lionel, and, to be fair, it looks like are done with me becasue I am not techy enough for them. They won't miss my small change, but I won't miss their devolution into poor customer service--I still haven't gotten a reply to a parts request made months ago--unreliable trains, and dismissive attitude, either.
“You” seems to be the market segment that Lionel is looking at as their future as far as I can tell.
I also do not have a tablet, smart phone, Bluetooth or a smart TV but I know there a lot of them out there who do. Fine with me. I will just keep running my conventional trains and use my flip phone. I have enough trains anyway. I must admit I have got some Lionchief for the grandson and they seem fine. Guys my age are not the market Lionel is looking to for their future and good thing they are not.
Maybe there wasn't a big market for upgrades, but there still is enough of us who like the fact there was an option to upgrade or replace TMCC/RailSounds components. I understand the TMCC technology is almost 25 years old, which is an eternity in the electronic world, but I still feel it has a relevant place in our hobby. From what I've read elsewhere, there was other factors such as parts sourcing and aging staff that contributed partially to the decision. I do hope Lionel is looking at alternative options. I really don't want to get into wiring blocks and relays on my layout!!
I'll tell you folks, I don't like hi-tech and I don't like gee-whiz electronics.
I've always taken this great man's words to heart...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NsTi_43g4
And that's why I run conventional. Nothing like just sitting there with a cup of coffee and a smoke and watching 'em go round and round. letting the visual dynamics of my steamers do their magic.
I'm easily amused, I might add.
And RIP, Lieutenant James Doohan, 14th Field Artillery Regiment, Canadian Army, who stormed Juno Beach on D-Day, June 6th, 1944. Not just a fictional hero.
Scotty, you are missed!
It will probably spur a cottage industry....
alank It will probably spur a cottage industry....
Which is what CTT columnist Lou Palumbo has suggested, i.e. "drop-in" electronics for quick and easy repairs when the original equiment fails, maybe without all the sophisticated stuff but just enough to get it going again with basic features.
Although some have said Dallee Electronics is doing just that right now. I don't know, I haven't checked.
Oh, and "Lionchief?" No thank you, I want that conventional operation "fall-back" option, which is why I DID buy a "Lionchief-Plus" locomotive. I tried the remote operation once just to see how it worked. It worked just fine, but that was the end of the experiment. Transformer control is all I want or need.
Oh, "Which one?" you ask? The Lionel Susquehanna GP20. Great runner and lots of fun to use! I WAS going to go for the MTH Susquehanna SD60, but at 18" long it's just too big for the layout. My 17" Trainmaster just barely squeezes through the turns and tunnel without hitting anything.
I have about 5 or 6 engines with TMCC in it. I enjoy it but I still love my post war and prewar. I'm just as happy running either.
The simple facts are that there currently exists an enormous variety of ways to run model trains of all gauges. Running via conventional transformer power is just as valid a mode as the most advanced bluetooth. This doesn't make the newer advanced systems a threat, but merely offers us more choices that did not even exist a few years ago. New advances tend to spice up a hobby, so we should just take it all in and enjoy what we like.
I tried the new technology when it first came out MTH and TMCC I wasn't that impressed then and now I am re-entering the hobby after a 10-year absence and I am only going to mess around with post-war Lionel K line Etc I find the old stuff the most reliable when I got my first MTH command control engine they bragged it was the equivalent of a 283 computer which was already a dinosaur. Even the cheapest of my old engines can fly off the train board on to the cement floor with hardly a scratch and just keeps on running I really don't need the headaches with the new stuff it is fun to look at so I'll just watch videos when I want to see that stuff. Besides that equipment is too expensive for me
Bummer. One of the projects on my 'get to it after I retire' list was upgrading my MKT NW2 with one of the TMCC kits. Guess I'll just sit tight and see what develops.
On the subject of conventional vs TMCC, Legacy, Lionchief, etc., I'v found that I've been running my conventional equipment more lately. I think this is because I do not currently have an operating layout at home, and most of my running has been on temperory layouts. I've found that it is easier to run the conventional equipment as it is truly 'plug & play'. Hook the wires up, and it goes. My Legacy system generally needs a little troubleshooting before it operates smoothly on one of the temperorary layouts.
Well it looks like Lionel and Scott from 3rd Rail have come to an agreement for 3rd Rail to take over ERR. Great news!!
I am getting back into the hobby and am also more interested in the postwar stuff after buying a good deal of TMCC and MTH remote control gear. Price and this abandoning of support are the main reasons for leaving the modern gear.
Virginian Railroad
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