How would you build a road?

[dwiemer]

Sing it with me everyone..."me...and my shadow...."

Those who can do (CTT Feb. 08). Some of those that can't follow us around trying to discredit us. Pathetic...

Also quote"Another "helpful and insightful" scenery making post from the owner of a plywood prairie! " by Jumijo. Jim, You have made it painfully obvious that you do not read my posts, or you would know of our heavy involvement with the kids. I actually have my kids helping with a few projects besides the layout. I can even take them to functions with other kids and not check out their mothers.

My issue with you is that you parade the fact that you were in the pages of CTT like it gives you the right to be overly critical of those who have not had their layouts in a magazine.  You also tend to give out advice on things to which you know very little.  As seen in the above posts (mind you, these posts are from this thread alone), you try to start arguments.  We know your history from how you acted on OGR.  You then came here and bragged about how you got so many people angry at you. 

You would be held in high regard if you had left your advice to subjects to which you seem to have some experience...like building trees out of furnaces, and not become the flame poster that you have.  You get things given to you out of the kindness of other forum members heart and then post about selling these items off so you could buy a GG1.  I guess that would be a lesson for others, DO NOT GIVE Jim anything, unless you don't mind throwing it away.

Lastly, it is offensive that you take pride in the numbers of people you have run off.  I won't name them, but they are far better people than you and contributed a lot more valuable information to the people of this forum than you ever have.  They are not here anymore, but they left with their good names intact.

I hope that whoever tells you what posts you should read will direct you to this one.  This will be my last correspondence to you.  I am sorry to others who have had to read all this.  I don't like to put folks down, but I also don't want to stand on the sidelines while good people are leaving because of such foolishness.

Dennis

[jonadel]

Well written Dennis, thank you for keeping it objective. It is about integrity.

[ChiefEagles]

Sing it with me everyone..."me...and my shadow...."

Those who can do (CTT Feb. 08). Some of those that can't follow us around trying to discredit us. Pathetic...

Also quote"Another "helpful and insightful" scenery making post from the owner of a plywood prairie! " by Jumijo. Jim, You have made it painfully obvious that you do not read my posts, or you would know of our heavy involvement with the kids. I actually have my kids helping with a few projects besides the layout. I can even take them to functions with other kids and not check out their mothers.

My issue with you is that you parade the fact that you were in the pages of CTT like it gives you the right to be overly critical of those who have not had their layouts in a magazine.  You also tend to give out advice on things to which you know very little.  As seen in the above posts (mind you, these posts are from this thread alone), you try to start arguments.  We know your history from how you acted on OGR.  You then came here and bragged about how you got so many people angry at you. 

You would be held in high regard if you had left your advice to subjects to which you seem to have some experience...like building trees out of furnaces, and not become the flame poster that you have.  You get things given to you out of the kindness of other forum members heart and then post about selling these items off so you could buy a GG1.  I guess that would be a lesson for others, DO NOT GIVE Jim anything, unless you don't mind throwing it away.

Lastly, it is offensive that you take pride in the numbers of people you have run off.  I won't name them, but they are far better people than you and contributed a lot more valuable information to the people of this forum than you ever have.  They are not here anymore, but they left with their good names intact.

I hope that whoever tells you what posts you should read will direct you to this one.  This will be my last correspondence to you.  I am sorry to others who have had to read all this.  I don't like to put folks down, but I also don't want to stand on the sidelines while good people are leaving because of such foolishness.

Dennis

Dennis, your shadow says the same   BTW: as of yesterday AM, he had given out 182 posts of his advice for this month.

[spankybird]

I personally like Flex-Stone spray paint. It comes in several different colors and looks great.

From a custom layout that I designed and built for one of our guest.

From the tin plate layout that I designed and built at The Western Reserve Model Railroad Museum.

(and just for the record, I am the V.P. of the Museum and Assistant Curator and I have also been in CTT, May 08) 

 

[Wes Whitmore]

Scenic Express makes some foam road with and without lines for quick roads.  I have also seen foamcore painted with multiple layers and colors of paint in the pages of CTT. 

I would think you could even use a thin layer of joint compound to simulate a rolled asphalt surface, then sand, smooth out, rough up, and paint the surface to taste.  I think there are a ton of ways to do it, regardless of color. 

Wes

[magicman710]

There are many ways to make roads, from shingles, Woodland Scenis Road Kit, black paint, gray paint, ect. But, in color of the roads, that really doesnt matter. Everyone knows freshly laid asphalt is dark black, then it fades to a gray slightly blushish color. (The blue is added by the types of rocks used around here). Im my preference, very black asphalt matched with very greeen scenery is very nice looking. Thats because I have seen it in real life, and road and land doesnt usually match that way.. But it did..

[1688torpedo]

Who gives a ---- about all that crap.  Ashpalt is black. 

Umm, why are we arguing about what color asphalt is? Roads are different colors in different parts of the country. I just drove on gray, almost black, and reddish roads going barely two miles to the pharmacy. Four different roads, three colors.

I didn't want to say anything but it's getting ridiculous. I don't know what's been going on here for the past 8-9 months or so. As best I can tell it's a few people with egoes that are entirely too big, still fighting the Civil War.

The Civil War ended 143 years ago. (Both sides lost.)

This used to be a nice place to come and talk about toy trains. It used to be bustling with activity. Now there's not much activity and a lot of it isn't about toy trains. And when it is about toy trains, it turns into an ego-fest.

I don't spend nearly as much time here as I used to. There are a number of other places where the people are nice, they enjoy talking about trains, and some of them even know a thing or two about them.

Maybe I'll get banned (whether formally or informally) for speaking up, but that's OK. There are other places that will have me.

I think that Dave F hit the proverbial nail on the head with his analysis above. This used to be a friendly forum.....not anymore. In the last year, things have deteriorated very rapidly here & that is not good at all & I'm sure that this has contributed much Ill Will & discouraged other folks from posting here or even leaving for Greener Pastures. I can see why the Mods over on OGR are very strict & I cannot blame them. The same needs to be done here IMO. Dave- I hope you never get banned. You spoke the truth & are one of the helpful guys around here.Take Care.

[Buckeye Riveter]

This is asphalt....

Does anybody recognize the building in Southern California?

I haven't personally seen this type of asphalt paving, but I had read about it in the trade magazines.  

[Anonymous]

This is asphalt....

Does anybody recognize the building in Southern California?

I haven't personally seen this type of asphalt paving, but I had read about it in the trade magazines.  

I can see colors all that well, but that surface appears red to me.

We have some red asphalt roads here in MD... and not in horror of the university of the same name. The red is actually not the asphault, but the sealer they apply. Not sure what it is but I can say with certainty that it does not fade as quickly as black asphault sealer and it is much easier on the eyes at night when the surface is wet, it doesn't generate the glare.

IMHO make your roads anyway you want... it is personal preference, just like modeling mountains, streams, rivers, bridges, etc.

[ChiefEagles]

This is asphalt....

Does anybody recognize the building in Southern California?

I haven't personally seen this type of asphalt paving, but I had read about it in the trade magazines.  

I can see colors all that well, but that surface appears red to me.

We have some red asphalt roads here in MD... and not in horror of the university of the same name. The red is actually not the asphault, but the sealer they apply. Not sure what it is but I can say with certainty that it does not fade as quickly as black asphault sealer and it is much easier on the eyes at night when the surface is wet, it doesn't generate the glare.

IMHO make your roads anyway you want... it is personal preference, just like modeling mountains, streams, rivers, bridges, etc.

In honor of NCSU.

[magicman710]

"How would you build a road?"

I beleive that was the original title of this thread.... I'll say it again. Me and Chief have our differences, being from 2 different Southern states but he has taught me one important thing....

Chief Book of Proverbs 1:1 "Ingore, Ignore, Ignore"

[dbaker48]

This is asphalt....

Does anybody recognize the building in Southern California?

I haven't personally seen this type of asphalt paving, but I had read about it in the trade magazines.  

Of course I can identify this.  It is Union Station in Los Angeles.  This is ONE of our discolored streets, as you are aware are streets are ALL paved in GOLD.

[Buckeye Riveter]

This is asphalt....

Does anybody recognize the building in Southern California?

I haven't personally seen this type of asphalt paving, but I had read about it in the trade magazines.  

Of course I can identify this.  It is Union Station in Los Angeles.  This is ONE of our discolored streets, as you are aware are streets are ALL paved in GOLD.

Don....I knew somebody would know a train station when they saw one.  Great job!!!!

[joetrains]

"How would you build a road?"

I beleive that was the original title of this thread.... I'll say it again. Me and Chief have our differences, being from 2 different Southern states but he has taught me one important thing....

Chief Book of Proverbs 1:1 "Ingore, Ignore, Ignore"

 

   Some people make themselves hard to ignore.

[ChiefEagles]

"How would you build a road?"

I beleive that was the original title of this thread.... I'll say it again. Me and Chief have our differences, being from 2 different Southern states but he has taught me one important thing....

Chief Book of Proverbs 1:1 "Ingore, Ignore, Ignore"

 

   Some people make themselves hard to ignore.

  More like a "rug".    Going to take your advice, Grayson.  BTW: you are growing up too fast.    

[Brutus]

Laz used sandpaper with what looked like great results from his pics, didn't he?

[jwse30]

Back to building a road, I've tried the shingle method, and it worked on my last toylike layout. But...

On the last roof we did (architectual shingles), we installed a starter strip that was a spool of roughly 5" wide by 25' long of shingle material. The width  seemed right, and the price seemed reasonable; I want to say about the same as a bundle of 3 tab shingles. As an added bonus, this stuff had wax paper on the back to cover the glue. I doubt the glue was very strong, as it was designed to hold the strip in place long enough to get a course or two on the roof. 

Keep in mind,  I've never tried this material. It just seemed like a great idea when I was up on the roof in August. Either it was the heat, or it was the right width and a long length between seems and had a weak glue to 'tack' it in place while you figured out the scenary nearby. 

It's just an idea I've never tried,

 

J White

 

[Buckeye Riveter]

SKATEBOARDS......Yes, skateboards!!!  The kids here in Buckeyeland buy a sandpaper grit material with a sticky backing to put on their skateboards to keep their feet from slipping.  The material is sold from a large roll at the local hardware store.  I believe this would make a great paving material.  (I'm using this same material on my boat trailer so that when I stand on the fenders, I don't slip.)

[ChiefEagles]

SKATEBOARDS......Yes, skateboards!!!  The kids here in Buckeyeland buy a sandpaper grit material with a sticky backing to put on their skateboards to keep their feet from slipping.  The material is sold from a large roll at the local hardware store.  I believe this would make a great paving material.  (I'm using this same material on my boat trailer so that when I stand on the fenders, I don't slip.)

A black version is sold at Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's.  [just for what Buckeye uses it for].  Its in sheets there and not rolls.  Rolls are better.

[gwg50]

I made my streets out of 1/8" paneling and painted it dark gray.

Gary

[dwiemer]

SKATEBOARDS......Yes, skateboards!!!  The kids here in Buckeyeland buy a sandpaper grit material with a sticky backing to put on their skateboards to keep their feet from slipping.  The material is sold from a large roll at the local hardware store.  I believe this would make a great paving material.  (I'm using this same material on my boat trailer so that when I stand on the fenders, I don't slip.)

 Buckeye, Our local WalMart has rolls of this stuff in the RV/Trailer section for using on the steps.  I had mentioned it in my first post on this thread.  If it is too black for some people's taste, you can tone it down with weathering chalk.

BTW, thought about this:  one reason that folks up north may not see black roads all that often is the fact that they use Rock Salt for the winter.  Here in the South, it is not much of an issue.

Dennis

[ChiefEagles]

SKATEBOARDS......Yes, skateboards!!!  The kids here in Buckeyeland buy a sandpaper grit material with a sticky backing to put on their skateboards to keep their feet from slipping.  The material is sold from a large roll at the local hardware store.  I believe this would make a great paving material.  (I'm using this same material on my boat trailer so that when I stand on the fenders, I don't slip.)

 Buckeye, Our local WalMart has rolls of this stuff in the RV/Trailer section for using on the steps.  I had mentioned it in my first post on this thread.  If it is too black for some people's taste, you can tone it down with weathering chalk.

BTW, thought about this:  one reason that folks up north may not see black roads all that often is the fact that they use Rock Salt for the winter.  Here in the South, it is not much of an issue.

Dennis

Ours will turn whiteish gray when sprayed with brine.  After the first event [snow or rain], that color is gone.

[RockIsland52]

SKATEBOARDS......Yes, skateboards!!!  The kids here in Buckeyeland buy a sandpaper grit material with a sticky backing to put on their skateboards to keep their feet from slipping.  The material is sold from a large roll at the local hardware store.  I believe this would make a great paving material.  (I'm using this same material on my boat trailer so that when I stand on the fenders, I don't slip.)

 Buckeye, Our local WalMart has rolls of this stuff in the RV/Trailer section for using on the steps.  I had mentioned it in my first post on this thread.  If it is too black for some people's taste, you can tone it down with weathering chalk.

BTW, thought about this:  one reason that folks up north may not see black roads all that often is the fact that they use Rock Salt for the winter.  Here in the South, it is not much of an issue.

Dennis

Dennis,

Up my way we see black asphalt all the time, right after the asphalt has been layed.  That's it.  Unfortunately, this thread has pointed out intolerance for different points of view, though all are valid.  As David Farquar elegantly pointed out, it is disappointing to me (as a newcomer) to read this stuff....on a topic as benign as the color of a road.  No, my asphalt roads are not black. 

After one year of sun and a winter of sanding, cinder, plowing, rock salt, other ice melting chemicals, and runoff, the asphalt roads here and North into Canada are not black any more but grey, as Jim and others have posted.  And the roads lighten with every succeeding year.  That is why Chief's comment about color made no absolutely sense to me and to those of us that have to contend for months each year with the slippery stuff.  The fact is, the South and warmer climes enjoy a newly paved road both in condition and color (black) a lot longer.

As for the pink asphalt discussion, I saw that color for the first time about a decade ago around here.  It sure looked different.  The paving crew said the pink compound was supposed to hold up  better in our climate extremes for whatever reason.  It didn't and has long since been paved over.  Not my first choice of color for a layout, but for some it may be normal, to them.

Add in the frost heaves we get, these literally lift up the pavement; and you can see that a smooth, pothole free (pothole repair free) asphalt road with intact shoulders is a luxury up here, more uncommon than common.  So much so that people's selection of what vehicle to drive, what suspension option to select, what wheel size to select, and what tire to select is affected.  Make a mistake in one or all of these choices and your ride can be downright unpleasant every mile driven for the life of your ownership.      

I like Buckeye's "skateboard footpad" material idea as a starter for a road.  It seems it would be thin, durable, easy to work with, and would stay put.  Are the granules finer than roofing shingles?

Jack  

[cnw1995]

Buckeye's skateboard 'covers' and Dennis's RV non-slip rolls are great ideas. I never thought of using them that way. Their granulated surface is much more finer than most of the roofing shingles I've seen.

[Anonymous]

Jack,
There is a lot of information provided in this thread - some good, some bad - but the point for us all to take away from this is there are 100+1 ways to model just about everything on a model railroad, it just depends on your abilities, desire, desired effect, resources, etc.

Also, we need to understand that just because roads 'look' one way where we live, they may look different somewhere else.

[RockIsland52]

The roads to Emerald City in the land of Oz are yellow brick. 

Jack

[dwiemer]

Another "helpful and insightful" scenery making post from the owner of a plywood prairie!
 

Sing it with me everyone..."me...and my shadow...."

Those who can do (CTT Feb. 08). Some of those that can't follow us around trying to discredit us. Pathetic...

Jack, I have no intention of stating my points again.  I honestly believe in what I have posted.  I know that you are new here and there is a lot of history regarding my previous post.   I agree with you that the intolerance is bad....but it seems to be coming from one person who likes to stir up trouble (see above quotes).  I am sorry for you and many who have had to read this on what otherwise is a useful thread.   I have high regard for Dave Farquarr and I hope he doesn't leave.  Many folks have left as I mentioned in my earlier post.  Again, I don't want to continue to hash this out.  Bad things happen when good people sit back and do nothing....I have sat back too long and watched the caustic attitude of one person degrade the overall tone of this forum for too long.  I really do wish he would change and be a honorable participant...or leave.    He once was a pleasure to have here, but at some point, he started talking about lustful desires for mothers of kids at scout meetings, and the list began to grow....not such a nice person any more.

Again, sorry for getting into this, but the record needs to be set straight.  If you need copies of this information, we have them.  I am also sorry that I have not welcomed you here.  Kinda late for a happy "Hello", but I do hope to see your participation in this great hobby.  By the way, I lived 24 years in NJ/PA, so I have a idea about roads up there too.

Regards,

Dennis

[magicman710]

 "By the way, I lived 24 years in NJ/PA, so I have a idea about roads up there too."

Regards,

Dennis

Yea Jack, dont let the "Southwest, GA" in the location part of the profile fool you! He is a born Yankee!  

[laz 57]

Another "helpful and insightful" scenery making post from the owner of a plywood prairie!
 

Sing it with me everyone..."me...and my shadow...."

Those who can do (CTT Feb. 08). Some of those that can't follow us around trying to discredit us. Pathetic...

Jack, I have no intention of stating my points again.  I honestly believe in what I have posted.  I know that you are new here and there is a lot of history regarding my previous post.   I agree with you that the intolerance is bad....but it seems to be coming from one person who likes to stir up trouble (see above quotes).  I am sorry for you and many who have had to read this on what otherwise is a useful thread.   I have high regard for Dave Farquarr and I hope he doesn't leave.  Many folks have left as I mentioned in my earlier post.  Again, I don't want to continue to hash this out.  Bad things happen when good people sit back and do nothing....I have sat back too long and watched the caustic attitude of one person degrade the overall tone of this forum for too long.  I really do wish he would change and be a honorable participant...or leave.    He once was a pleasure to have here, but at some point, he started talking about lustful desires for mothers of kids at scout meetings, and the list began to grow....not such a nice person any more.

Again, sorry for getting into this, but the record needs to be set straight.  If you need copies of this information, we have them.  I am also sorry that I have not welcomed you here.  Kinda late for a happy "Hello", but I do hope to see your participation in this great hobby.  By the way, I lived 24 years in NJ/PA, so I have a idea about roads up there too.

Regards,

Dennis

DENNIS!

  I stayed away from this forum because of this jerk, but NO MORE.  GO away just like you did on the OGR, no one needs you here.  B GOOD or B GONE!

  On another note with roads, I have used 120 grit garnet paper and spray paint.  Spray painted, as many as I needed then used a spray adhesive on the back of the paper and apply to the layout.  Easy and not to bad on the cost.  Biggest expense is sand paper.

laz57

[selector]

I am going to close this thread on the last note by Dennis, and I am largely in agreement.  I feel, as late as I am in coming here (long story), that jumijo was out of line, and clearly many others are expressing their distaste.

Let me add a little note of education, not wanting to seem overbearing or pedantic, but to disagree with someone's assertions merely because they do not do, or have, is called a fallacy of relevance...an ad hominem in the study of formal logic and discourse.  No matter that we are not engaged in formal debate here, the fallacy is the same. 

Suppose a priest states in front of a crowd that a star is a gravitationally balanced sphere of hydrogen gas with sufficient density and temperature at its core to fuse atomic hydrogen into atomic helium, and thereafter to carbon.  An astrophysicist steps up and chastises the priest with this statement, "Father, do you have a doctorate in astrophysics as I do?  No?  Then leave the stellar physics to me," the latter will have committed a fallacy of relevance, because the priest's statement is either true or it is false.  His priestliness is neither true nor false.

Chief's state of modelling is entirely irrelevant for the purposes of the discussion.  In that respect, jumijo's statement was a put-down, and I think that is what the subsequent unhappy responders are saying in a variety of ways.

It would be a much more pleasant place if the facts could be discussed in a more civil manner, and the personalities behind the discussion left with their dignity.  Please try it.

-Crandell