Good ol, days of streamlined steam

[daveklepper]

You bet I disagree!   The I-5, Daylight, and N&W J for me!

[espeefoamer]

SP GS 4. That double headlight made an excellent engine even better.

SP GS 2,3,and 6.Almost ad good.

PRR T1

N&W J

NYC J3

[Anonymous]

The

"MALLARD"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4488_Union_of_South_Africa

[MopacBarrettTunnel]

  Santa Fe" Blue Goose'

 I'll drink to that!!!

 

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And I'll put forth two other "Blues Brothers" for consideration - any Wabash 4-6-4 {which really weren't fully streamlined}:

 

 

And the Frisco's "Firefly" power {which WAS fully streamlined}:

 

 

[Gunneral]

  Santa Fe" Blue Goose'

[ghonz711]

Hope this bit of info helps answer a few of your questions.

Quoting Patrick C. Dorin from his book Canadian Pacific Railway ( Motive Power, Rolling stock, Capsule History )  Superior Publishing Company 1974

 

"Two of the trains were assigned to the Montreal-Quebec service which involved a 4 hour, 30 minute schedule for the 173 mile run in each direction, including 32 intermediate stops.  Another train, with two 4-4-4 type locomotives assigned to the run was assigned to the Toronto-Detroit run.  This Train was christened the "Royal York" and made a round trip between Toronto and Detroit daily.  The 229 mile run ( one way) was made in 5 hours, 35 minutes in both directions with 19 intermediate stops.  The fourth train, the "Chinook", ran between Calgary and Edmonton and made the round trip daily.   The 194 mile run (one way ) was completed in 5 hours, 15 minutes in both directions with 22 intermediate stops.  Each train was made up of 4 cars and 1 locomotive."

The developement of the 4-4-4 Jubilee type locos was for a very specific reason.  High speed local service.  16 light weight, air conditioned, streamlined cars were also made specifically for the first F2a class Jubilees.  The 2 Jubilee classes were the F2a, #3000-3004, built on 80" drivers in 1936 at the Montreal Locomotive Works and the F1a, #2910-2929, built on 75" drivers during 1937-1938 by the Canadian Locomotive Company in Kingston, Ontario.  The later locos differed also in that they drove on the rear axle, unlike the Hiawatha Atlantics and F2a's that drove on the front axle.  Both Jubilees utilized 300 psi boiler pressure.  RDC Budd rail cars replaced the Jubilees when they were retired in the 1960's.  I believe only one Jubilee remains, F1a # 2928 at the Canadian Railroad Historical Association in Delson, Quebec.

Bruce Webster

Thank you for posting that. An F2a vs Hiawatha race would be very interesting. Any chance one of these will ever run again?

Unfortunatly none of the F2a's escaped the scrap heap.  Perhaps if either Scranton, or the CRHA overhaul the F1a's they have, we could see a jubilee running again.  However, although don't quote me on it, I don't think any Hiawatha's escaped the torch either

Bruce Webster - Does your book have any reference to the actual consists for each of these trains that the J2a's hauled?  It would be very interesting to find out.

Ghonz

[daveklepper]

I have to agree about the last four of the B&O streamlined Pacifics, same class of streamlining as the N&W J, SP Daylight, and NYNH&H I-5.   Have not seen a picture of the B&O job for a long time and hope someone posts one!

[UP 829]

Hope this bit of info helps answer a few of your questions.

Quoting Patrick C. Dorin from his book Canadian Pacific Railway ( Motive Power, Rolling stock, Capsule History )  Superior Publishing Company 1974

 

"Two of the trains were assigned to the Montreal-Quebec service which involved a 4 hour, 30 minute schedule for the 173 mile run in each direction, including 32 intermediate stops.  Another train, with two 4-4-4 type locomotives assigned to the run was assigned to the Toronto-Detroit run.  This Train was christened the "Royal York" and made a round trip between Toronto and Detroit daily.  The 229 mile run ( one way) was made in 5 hours, 35 minutes in both directions with 19 intermediate stops.  The fourth train, the "Chinook", ran between Calgary and Edmonton and made the round trip daily.   The 194 mile run (one way ) was completed in 5 hours, 15 minutes in both directions with 22 intermediate stops.  Each train was made up of 4 cars and 1 locomotive."

The developement of the 4-4-4 Jubilee type locos was for a very specific reason.  High speed local service.  16 light weight, air conditioned, streamlined cars were also made specifically for the first F2a class Jubilees.  The 2 Jubilee classes were the F2a, #3000-3004, built on 80" drivers in 1936 at the Montreal Locomotive Works and the F1a, #2910-2929, built on 75" drivers during 1937-1938 by the Canadian Locomotive Company in Kingston, Ontario.  The later locos differed also in that they drove on the rear axle, unlike the Hiawatha Atlantics and F2a's that drove on the front axle.  Both Jubilees utilized 300 psi boiler pressure.  RDC Budd rail cars replaced the Jubilees when they were retired in the 1960's.  I believe only one Jubilee remains, F1a # 2928 at the Canadian Railroad Historical Association in Delson, Quebec.

Bruce Webster

Thank you for posting that. An F2a vs Hiawatha race would be very interesting. Any chance one of these will ever run again?

[J. Edgar]

<------------- see picture     nuff said

[Dr Leonard]

Jubilee (4-4-4) No. 2929 is at Steamtown, in sad shape. I photographed it there in 2005.

[tim o'm]

Since I know a lot of you will disagree, I will throw gasoline on this fire and say that the NYC Mercury was the best streamliner I have seen. These two were Pacifics instead of Hudsons, and really looked more like 1930s-era robots than locomotives. If I saw one rolling through the streets of Syracuse, I would imagine it was the end of the world. It is that massive and surreal.
For conventional styling, I would go with the two Empire State Express hudsons. They were sleek.
If yous have the Steam Glory 2, you can see these examples.

[DMUinCT]

This photo from the 1939 American Flyer Catalog said it all.   The New Haven Railroad's Baldwin built Hudsons.

[Anonymous]

 

Speaking of CPR, although it's a bathtub the Jubilee 4-4-4  and the more 'Royal Hudson' styled 2900 class 4-4-4's rarely get mentioned, How fast were they compared to the Hiawatha's and what were they used for. I've seen a few pictures of them in commuter service but little else and it seems hard to imagine that's what they were built for, unless they were running Acela-like service.

Hope this bit of info helps answer a few of your questions.

Quoting Patrick C. Dorin from his book Canadian Pacific Railway ( Motive Power, Rolling stock, Capsule History )  Superior Publishing Company 1974

 

"Two of the trains were assigned to the Montreal-Quebec service which involved a 4 hour, 30 minute schedule for the 173 mile run in each direction, including 32 intermediate stops.  Another train, with two 4-4-4 type locomotives assigned to the run was assigned to the Toronto-Detroit run.  This Train was christened the "Royal York" and made a round trip between Toronto and Detroit daily.  The 229 mile run ( one way) was made in 5 hours, 35 minutes in both directions with 19 intermediate stops.  The fourth train, the "Chinook", ran between Calgary and Edmonton and made the round trip daily.   The 194 mile run (one way ) was completed in 5 hours, 15 minutes in both directions with 22 intermediate stops.  Each train was made up of 4 cars and 1 locomotive."

The developement of the 4-4-4 Jubilee type locos was for a very specific reason.  High speed local service.  16 light weight, air conditioned, streamlined cars were also made specifically for the first F2a class Jubilees.  The 2 Jubilee classes were the F2a, #3000-3004, built on 80" drivers in 1936 at the Montreal Locomotive Works and the F1a, #2910-2929, built on 75" drivers during 1937-1938 by the Canadian Locomotive Company in Kingston, Ontario.  The later locos differed also in that they drove on the rear axle, unlike the Hiawatha Atlantics and F2a's that drove on the front axle.  Both Jubilees utilized 300 psi boiler pressure.  RDC Budd rail cars replaced the Jubilees when they were retired in the 1960's.  I believe only one Jubilee remains, F1a # 2928 at the Canadian Railroad Historical Association in Delson, Quebec.

Bruce Webster

[broadythecableguy]

N&W J

SP Daylight

NYC Dreyfess

[oldline1]

Another big spotting difference between the N&W J & K-2/K-2a is the tenders. The J's were welded and the K's were riveted. Both make my heart race!!!!

 I think the NH I-5's rate right up there with the N&W streamliners for looks. B&O's last 4 streamlined P-7 Pacifics were slick! The SP GS classes were very nice too. I think the NYC Dreyfuss, Mercury and other streamlined Hudsons remind me of the drug commercial on TV...................."this is your brain on drugs".

Roger

[tomikawaTT]

Streamstyled M1a????  Like Pennsy????

My error    Should have been K2  Maybe I was thinking PRR.

N&W class K2 was a streamstyled rebuilt USRA heavy 4-8-2, very similar to the J in appearence.  Trainspotter's giveaway was the shrouded Worthington BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side - looked as if it was packing a sidearm!

Chuck

[Joe Hohmann]

I like the NYC Empire State Express the best, followed by the PRR T1 duplex. The Canadian one mentioned is great as well. One of my least favorite is the Loewy designed K4 (too "fat" in a attempt to cover too much running gear), as well as all the "inverted bathtub" designs.

[alexweiihman]

PRR-S1

PRR-Streamlined K-4

Hiawatha

[wjstix]

I love 'steamliners' too!! How about those yellow CNW pacifics on the Minnesota 400?? I have a painting print of one of them on my desk at work...but then, who but Canadian Pacific would streamline a 2-10-4?? Those are pretty cool too.

Fun to think 'what might have been'. Northern Pacific thought about streamlining some of their A class 4-8-4 Northerns, that would be fun to see!! 

[Trainmaster.Curt]

I never grew up in the ages of steam, but from what i've seen, nothin beats the CNR U4a 6400 Streamer Northerns. They have the best lines of any streamlined locomotive and could go almost 110mph! If you read the last Classic Trains magazine, in the article "Cab Rides In Canada" it tells you just how exhilirating those engines were.

[wallyworld]

PRR S1....

[Lost World]

T-1 Duplex.

Nothing looked faster; nothing was faster.

[rji2]

No. 1 - SP Daylight.

No. 2 - L&N 295. 

[UP 829]

I like the Dreyfuss Hudsons because they remind me of a Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers space ship and Art Deco which was popular at the time. The ones with Scullin Disc drivers were especially interesting. Didn't some of them have the drivers lit up in blue light at one time?

I generally don't care for the inverted bathtubs or some of the extreme bullet noses. My favorite would be the GS-class Daylight as the best balance between streamlining and still looking like a steam engine. A CPR Royal Hudson gets my second place vote.

Speaking of CPR, although it's a bathtub the Jubilee 4-4-4  and the more 'Royal Hudson' styled 2900 class 4-4-4's rarely get mentioned, How fast were they compared to the Hiawatha's and what were they used for. I've seen a few pictures of them in commuter service but little else and it seems hard to imagine that's what they were built for, unless they were running Acela-like service.

[jimrice4449]

Streamstyled M1a????  Like Pennsy????

[steamfanatic]

 

N&W J - No doubt.

[DMUinCT]

New Haven I-5 Hudson.  Ten built by Baldwin in 1938.  That's The New Haven's "Comet" passing on the left.

[daveklepper]

Those of you who (like me) are N&W J and SP  Daylight fans, please look at the New Haven I-5's.   Won't you agree that is the very best streamlined Hudson, 4-6-4, far better than the Hiawathas the Mercury, the 20th Century and the Empire State Express?   This question is for Daylight and J people only, not for those who like inverted bathtubs.

[spikejones52002]

A steam engine (any Steam engine) is my dephibulator.

My heart beats with each chug. The excitement as it labors to get started. The exhilaration as it runs by.