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[passengerfan]

Good Morning again Tom, Time for one more coffee. I have a great set of Canadian National Passenger car books in two volumes. If I have the time in the next day or two I can get the complete history of those two particular cars.The reference type books provide everything about every individual CN and predecessor passenger car. I just wi***heir was a similar set of books for Canadian Pacific passenger cars. My primary reference for streamlined cars is The Pullman Standard Lbrary and Budd Library that provides car plans as built and intereior and exterior pictures of the cars. The P/S set is fifteen volumes and the Budd set is seven and also covers AC&F and SLC lightweight streamlined passenger cars. I also have many books on the old Pullman heavyweights for reference as well. My library numbers over five hundred hard cover books and 300 Soft Cover plus many years of trains magazines and other railroad magazines. recently sold all of my forties and fifties magazines as I was running out of space once again.

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All:

Coffee, please. Here's some $ for the "good of the house," aka Boris's Bail Fund, and some quarters for the jukebox. Gas is holding at $3.19 this a.m. and West Virginia fans are happy.

Herewith some more from the New Haven memory book. I have been working on some of this stuff forawhile, b4 the memories disappear completely.

South Station was the end of the line, but most of our trips began and ended at Back Bay Station. It took five minutes for New Haven trains to travel from South Station to Back Bay. There were four tracks at Back Bay separated by a fence; the two tracks on the north side of the fence belonged to the Boston and Albany railroad and the two tracks to the South were the New Haven’s. The B&A called their side of the station Trinity Place.

A trip to Back Bay was exciting as we traveled through streets lined with brownstone houses only to suddenly come upon the station’s parking area. My grandmother said that the streets in this section of Boston reminded her of those in Bristol, England from when she was a young woman.

Back Bay was a winter kind of place. It was cold, snowy, and damp as only areas near the ocean can be. Wooden doors, handles polished from countless hands opening them, gave onto the station lobby which was a large, square, room of light colored stone. The ticket counter was on one side of the lobby which was hot, humid and smelled of wet woolen coats, rubber galoshes, steam heat and cigar smoke. On the other side of the lobby stairs and an elevator led down to the tracks. The elevator was closed on three sides and open on the fourth which was a cage-like gate that was closed once the passengers got on. The same elevator handled baggage and passengers. O much preferred to ride with the loaded baggage carts rather than with the passengers. I never thought I would see an elevator like that again until years later when I started going into underground mines and encountered the same thing. The wet, dimly lit, trackside smelled of salt air and decomposing offal from the nearby Fort Point Channel. The station platforms curved westward into the distance and there were dwarf signals in the ground at the ends of the platforms. The tracks emerged from the east (South Station) after exiting a short tunnel that was lined with some sort of tile. I recall no announcements of arriving or departing trains but passengers knew a train was coming because they could hear the locomotives in the tunnel. The train suddenly appeared, its PAs, C-Liners, FL9s or GP9s passing in a thunder of diesel noise accented by the hard hissing of steam from beneath the cars and the “screah” sound of the brakes.

The engines were scary but the cars were wonderful. The New Haven had an eclectic collection of passenger equipment that included everything from ancient commuter cars to up-to-date lightweight parlor cars, sleepers, diners, and grill cars. Through cars from the Pennsylvania Railroad operated via the New Haven to Penn Station in New York where they were handed off to the P Company who carried them on from there to cities such as Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington and Pittsburgh. The New Haven also originated and terminated Pennsy sleepers from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. I knew about them from studying the maps and consists in the timetable. I remember seeing the stainless cars from the platform. These cars had green or orange window stripes. Some of them were named for on-line counties or cities, while others had the names of famous people. The Pennsy cars were red with gold lettering. The cars that ran on the “Senator” were stainless with red letterboards with gold lettering that spelled out “Pennsylvania” in a dignified style.

work safe

[siberianmo]

G'day passengerfan Al

That's indeed an impressive array of reference material you are using. It's small wonder that you call yourself passengerfan - a nice fit, for sure! [tup]

Very surprised you haven't located anything with regard to CP's inventory. There are several books out there on Canadian Pacific' s passenger runs - however, these perhaps are more picture and narrative than for research purposes. I'm sure you've checked the familiar URL's .........

National Geographic came out with a disc set of their volumes - from 1888 to 1998. I purchased the set as a gift to my bride - as she's a fan of NG. We were able to discard shelves upon shelves of magainzes as a result of this purchase. Lightened the load, so to speak. The discs contain everything that the magazines contained - ads, everything, except yellowing pages and the like. Perhaps one day, Kalmbach will do the same. While I really prefer the appearance and feel of the real thing, space is an issue and it would surely be my preference to go with the technology .......

Thanx for the info!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hello coalminer3

Hope your Labor Day weekend was relaxing and finds all is well with you and yours ....

[wow] Once again regarding your descriptive narrative and well thought out Post. You have quite a gift for being able to project the reader back in time. As I read through your account, there were times when I could see 'n hear the goings on at Back Bay Station. I'm familiar with the area you described - but never boarded or departed a train there. My trips, as previously discussed, were mainly in and out of North Station - but I did make a trip or two up from New York City and New London, CT to South Station. Love the NH - did then and still do (era: 1957-63).

PRR's Congressional and Senator may be viewed at:

http://www.banksofthesusquehanna.com/MMprr.html

Sure brings back good memories! Just loved to look at and of course travel in those gleaming corrugated stainless steel cars witht the tuscan red strip. [yeah]

By the by, when you're finished checking out the PRR - go to the HOME PAGE - some pretty nifty options to browse there as well. Enjoy.

Check out: http://www.nhrhta.org/htdocs/history.htm for some quick history on the NH. Perhaps some of our guys just don't know ....... [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Let it be known from this day forth (06 Sep 2005) that: The Second Silver Throttle Award for Excellence in Classic Trains Postings at "Our" Place goes to -----

<drumroll, please!> ------

coalminer3 [yeah][wow][tup][tup][tup]

To CM3: Your Post of 06 Sep 2005, 09:18:30 was an outstanding capstone to many informative and well thought out contributions to what "Our" Place strives to maintain. Congratulations from all of your friends at the bar! [yeah][wow]swg][tup][tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

What more can be said about our first annual Labo(u)r Day picnic. "And a fine time was had by all"...'cept [C=:-)] Nasty bruise stout fellow. I don't thnk it will leave a scar in spite of one of the kids mistaking it for a Musk Melon.[^] I had to leave before the "horse shoes" competition in order to warm-up for the Streamliners Big Band segment. BTW, has anyone found the horse shoes I loaned Insp. Clueless and P.I. Doyle yesterday?[:-^]

Tom, the clean-up has gone very well. We've learned a lot since my B.Day Bash![:O] Let's have a nice tall, cold Rheingold draft ("the light beer, the right beer') before the keg goes flat. Then we can survey the refuse for odds and ends left over for Boris' "Carpathian Compost."[:O] Passengerfan Al, I echo Tom's previous accolades for your unfailing erudition on any given aspect of "Classic Trains." You certainly aren't resting on the laurels of your engraved "Brass Buckle Award." Sorry old chap; still no sign of your Inlaws.[:(] Clueless and Doyle are doing forensics on the B.B.Q. grills as we speak.

Pwolfe and Nick, there is a British counterpart to U.S. gas electrics, right? Barndad, still enjoying the pix on your site (rail images). The Cincinnati Car is a real treasure for any museum. Hey, the additional graphics have brought a whole new dimension to "Our" Place. Soon, we will scarcely need to type a word for self expression.[tup]

Well folks, "we've done it again." There is no end to the scope of this stalwart consortium of "good ole boys."[tup] Just when you may think we have fallen into the pit of pedantry Tom proposes provencial poetry pertinent to every person's posture...gasp![8D] Should this entry not merit the "Silver Throttle Award" by proxy? If there be no objections, by the managerial powers vested in me, I hereby present for your approval said "Award" to Commander Thomas Weber. Hearing no objections, it is now official. Congratulations Tom[tup] Boris, the bell please. Champagne all round...the bell please Boris...BOINK That does it![:(!] We don't "want to go there."[alien] See ya's at the 100th page pagentry.[:D]

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. Tom, I'll take black coffee and some plain donuts, please. Sounds like the picnic was a success(except for Nick catching a horseshoe with his head). It's taken about an hour to read all the posts since my absence.
Theodorebear, I have some books about the SLSF and can find no doodlebug pix with a fan over the cab. There is a roster of the cars, however. The Frisco Modelers Information Group has a website that you might find more info. I found it last using the sidebars that are on the Kalmbach home page under historical societies, et al. Good posting on the soapbox.
Nickinwestwales. At the rr this weekend someone left a brochure about a NG rr in Wales that runs excursions. I glanced at it and remember its name had a couple of Ts at the beginning. Was SO BUSY that did not get to read it completely. It had a roster with some small steamers dating back to the 1860s. Always interested in NG, even if I can't understand the language.
Passengerfan, as Midland's book reviewer, my next project is Rock Island Streamliners by Greg Stout. I've glanced at it and already found some errors. Midland's own Rockets, E6 630 and E8 652, are pictured several times.
3.2 beer. I remember this beer was only available on Sundays from certain places. In Springfield, we had to drive across town to the only place that could sell beer on Sunday, which was a steakhouse. All the bars were closed and c stores locked the alcohol cases and even liquor stores were closed. This ended late 80s or early 90s. I don't believe 3.2 beer can be found now. When I was pre 21, we could go to Kansas where the age to buy was 18 to get beer. As we were always broke and pooled our ca***o get beer, we never had enough left to buy gas, even back then when it was lots cheaper!
Tom, liked the G.Lightfoot song. Listened to him a lot back in the 70s when disco was what everyone else my age was listening to. Since you are so good about coming up with words to songs, how about Gallopin Goose by CW McCall--or should I go back to the previous post where you furnished words to Silverton?
Was extremely busy at the Midland this long weekend. We topped over 600 riders on just the trains. Also sold cab rides in our NW2 and sold hamburgers and hot dogs, which was also successful. I ran 8 trips and let another engineer run the last so could help the wife and the GM take down tents and cleanup. All 3 days I was training people--have much more respect for those who do this professionally!!! I'm about wore out.
There is some justice in this world. We cross a busy major 2 lane hiway and the state has'nt got active warning devices installed yet, so are always close calls here. Well the first trip Saturday a pickup was too close as I approached but there was a county sheriff watching and the pickup got nailed!!! On the way back across, the deputy was parked on the shoulder waiting for anyone else stupid enough to try to beat us.
Lots more to talk about this past weekend but I have probably rambled enough. We were at 98 pages when I started writing and might get to 100 today. I missed on my guess for that occurence but I've never had much success at gambling. I really regret not being able to see the gals of OUR PLACE in their abbreviated overalls, especially Ruthie.

[Anonymous]

Egad, this is a double pleasure and honorable observance. Whilst I was composing my last entry, Coalminer 3 has been bestowed the "Silver Throttle Award" in my absence. May I be the second to congratulate you both. How 'bout it gents? Two choruses of "For He's a Jolly good Fellow" in 2 flats (right, B flat major Nick). Hear, hear.

CM3, like Tom, I too arrived at South Station. In July 1962 we made a rail movement to Boston from Baltimore for a Fourth of July Concert and parade. By Gadfery, the trek (bag and baggage) through South Station to the old Essex Hotel across the street was just as you described the scene in every detail. Congratulations again on capturing such vivd mental imagery with your Post. Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

G'day Ted

Awwwwwwwshucks! I didn't expect such recognition and had to research your contract to ensure that you indeed have such authority. You do - I accept and thanx! [swg] So, we now have three recipients of The Silver Throttle Award, I'm honored.

Nice sidestep - Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his trusted friend and associate, Mr Doyle, Private Investigator indeed! I don't think that between the two of 'em they'd be able to toss that Clydesdale horseshoe any further than a couple of feet, much less the distance to the ring in our bona fide, certified and otherwise official Mentor Village horseshoe pit ....... [swg]

That Rheingold tune keeps rattling 'round in my aging grey matter, "My beer is Rheingold the dry beer, think of Rheingold whenever you buy beer. I's not bitter, not sweet .........." Takes me back. Those gals of the Miss Rheingold contests were yesterday's centerfolds of what was to come later. I preferred the way it was done back then ....... [yeah]

I thought that was you in the Music Tent last night .... it was an amazing sight and the sounds were fantastic. The Streamliners and the RDC's from BC really put on quite a show ....... [yeah] Nick was observed jumping in to lend a bit of pizzazz to it all. A good nite was had by all ....... [tup]

Thanx for all you do 'round here, Ted! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day earlydiesels Dan

Glad you made it back to your Reserved Stool at the bar! [tup] [yeah] We had quite a picnic yesterday and for those who were able to partake in the festivities, I'm sure they won't forget what a fine time was had by all .... except perhaps Nick who was creased by a Clydesdale horseshoe ....... [tdn]

Appreciate your taking the time to read thru the Posts since your last one - that's the idea, isn't it [?]

Sounds like you had quite a RR'ing weekend for sure! Anyone hurt in that pickup [?] Can't fix stupid, as the saying goes ........

Looks like we may hit our 100th page without a winner! [wow]

You asked, and here it is!

QUOTE: Artist Lyrics: C.W. Mccall
Song Lyrics: The Gallopin' Goose
Album Lyrics: Roses For Mama

(Chip Davis, Bill Fries)

On a cold November mornin'
Back in nineteen-thirty-seven
With an early snow a-fallin'
On the three-foot tracks at Ames
Came a mighty strange contraption
Known to trainmen as a motor
But to folks in Colorado
She was known by another name

Up the canyons south of Sawpit
Past the red Cathedral spires
'Cross the yellow mountain switchbacks
And the rapids far below
On the high and lofty trestles
Near the fabled mines of Ophir
In the silver San Juan Mountains
Came a goose a-plowin' snow

[Chorus]
With a Pierce-Arrow engine,
Runnin' hot and on the loose
Came the Rio Grande Southern
The Gallopin' Goose
With a Pierce-Arrow engine
Runnin' hot and on the loose
Came Number Five, The Gallopin' Goose

'Twas a four-door auto-mobile
On a dozen wheels of iron
Sixteen feet of rockin' boxcar
Spot-welded to her tail
Loaded down with mercantile
Ten bags a' high-grade ore
Two mothers nursin' babies
Seven miners an' the mail

Up the side a' Sunshine Mountain
By internal gas combustion
Eight Pierce-Arrow pistons pullin'
Fifteen thousand pounds a' lead
At the snowshed on the summit
The conductor said his prayers
He declared a busted driveshaft
On the pass at Lizard Head

[Chorus]
With a Pierce-Arrow engine
Runnin' hot and on the loose
Came the Rio Grande Southern
The Gallopin' Goose
With a Pierce-Arrow engine
Runnin' hot and on the loose
Came Number Five, The Gallopin' Goose

[Musical interlude here.]

Down the three-percent to Rico
In the valley of Dolores
They still talk about the Southern
An' her flock of flyin' geese
From the roundhouse at Ridgway
To the depot at Durango
All the tracks are gone for scrap iron
And the ganders rest in peace

Up the canyons south of Sawpit
Past the red Cathedral spires
'Cross the yellow mountain switchbacks
And the rapids far below
On the high and lofty trestles
Near the fabled mines of Ophir
In the silver San Juan Mountains
There's a legend in the snow

[Chorus]
With a Pierce-Arrow engine
Runnin' hot and on the loose
Came the Rio Grande Southern
The Gallopin' Goose
With a Pierce-Arrow engine
Runnin' hot and on the loose
Came Number Five, The Gallopin' Goose

We've got this song in the Juke - punch C5 and she's all yours!

See ya later! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day All,

Just a reminder once again - we have a Birthday Bash coming up for trolleyboy Rob this Saturday, Sep 10th at 10 PM (Eastern).

While that may be a bit late for some, there's no reason why we can't make a Post or two prior to the appointed hour just to let our Charter Member and good friend know we're thinking about him! [tup]

Let's make this a Ba***o remember!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

”Our Place ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Permanent Stool Chris First customer, [^] Barrister and Quebec connection.

Permanent Stool Ted Manager of “Our” Place and customer with unparalleled good cheer [swg] and determination. Florida connection.

Permanent Stool Nick Chief Chef [C=:-)] of “Our” Place and customer supreme from West Wales. British Isles connection.

Permanent Stool Trolleyboy Rob If it concerns street cars, talk to me! – and Ontario connection.

Permanent Stool Passengerfan Al Walking, talking “Classic Train” aficionado [2c] and author. California connection.

Permanent Stool *** Watkins Rail aficionado [2c], enthusiast, world traveler – and Texas [C):-)] connection.

Reserved Stool earlydiesels Dan Restorations are us! … And train lover at large [2c]. Southwest Missouri connection.

Reserved Stool West Coast S Dave California man of mystery [8D], real and model rail enthusiast, and West Coast connection. Recipient Silver Throttle Award

Reserved Stool coalminer 3 Northeast rail aficionado [2c] and West Virginia connection. Recipient Silver Throttle Award

Reserved Stool Gunns Kevin Machinist, loco restorationist supreme [2c] and New Mexico connection.

Reserved Stool Trainnut484 Russell AT&SF and rail enthusiast, model railroader [:D] and Kansas connection.

A customer may be considered for membership in either category through their participation in the discussions at "Our" Place. The quantity of posts does not mean as much as quality of them.

Further, willingness to participate in the banter goes a long way toward convincing the Selection Committee of one's eligibility. A rule of thumb: (1) Greet the barkeep and (2) Order a drink! It's that simple to get off to a good start with your posts! [swg]

Being a regular customer simply means that you've taken the time to drop in, have something to offer, respond to others, and enjoy the atmosphere of "Our" Place! Inclusiveness is what we're trying to achieve - repetitive one-on-one stuff should be relegated to Email.

Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.
A grand do yesterday[tup] and it certainly seems to inspired the regulars with some great posts and TWO SILVER THROTTLE AWARDS both very well earned may I add[tup][yeah]
Tom in Britain we do not generally have a tip jar but wheh we order the drinks we often add and one for yourself . So i'll have a pint of Bathams and whatever you are having to celebrate your award[tup].

ROB Thanks for the info on the Subs did you have any British subs built a bit earlier perhaps P or O class[?].

THEODOREBEAR Excuse my ignorance but over here is GAS what we call petrol or does it include diesel fuel as well [?]
I was reading in the K.C. Star that there is a small town in Missouri named Gas where a roadside cafe does a good trade selling mugs and T-shirts which read "Don't pass GAS call in[:-,]

EARLYDIESELS I keep leaving the advert for your railway out so the wife sees them hopefully we will be able to come this year when does the season end [?]I am getting withdrawal symptoms from not being on a train[sigh]

Hope to call in soon. Tom those photos of the CAN-AM ARE great[yeah][wow].

[siberianmo]

Hi Pete

Appreciate the kind words and pint ....... [tup] Mine is the easier 'round here - it's the guys who make this place of ours what it is. I strive to ensure that no one gets left out.

Missouri not only has some interesting names of towns - but by now you've discovered the pronunciation oddity as well. Took me quite awhile to get used to it ....

As the cooler weather arrives, the closer we'll get to the Amtrak trip! [yeah]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening Guys!

Seems like a slow enough night for me to contribute a story of my rail travels. This was Posted some time ago on another thread that I created, before "Our Place - only Rob and *** may recall this one ........

Okay - time for MY story about a VIA Rail trip with a and a not-so-happy conclusion.

In December of 2002, my wife and I departed Toronto aboard VIA Rail's "Canadian" bound for Vancovuer. Having made the round trip once before, but in May, we were exicited about the prospects of a winter voyage across most of Canada.

We were able to book the drawing room suite in the Park Car (Glacier Park) and settled into our seats in the dome as the train pulled out of Toronto's Union Station. The day was rather gloomy, a bit of light rain and sleet hitting the windows as we wound our way through and out of the city.

The further north we got, the clearer the skies and by the time we started see evidence of that magnificant Canadian Shield, the skies were blue with some white puffy clouds. Great picture taking with some memorable sights indeed.

Now I could continue this dialogue in the style aforementioned - but then it would just drone on and one - for really, the trip WAS fantastic. The snow amounts were far, far less than what we had hoped for - but then again, those of you living in Canada - especially the mountainous regions, know full well what the drought conditions have been like for quite some time. Nevertheless, we were undaunted in our optimism that the trip would hold true to our high
expectations - and for the most part it did.

On Friday, January 3rd, our train was struck by a rock slide just north of Boston Bar in the Fraser Canyon. Fortunately, this event did not seriously damage the train or harm any people within it. The delay of six hours wound up being a PLUS in that once we resumed our voyage, we got to view some sights that would have otherwise been "voids" to us. For had the train kept to its schedule, we would have passed through that area in darkness. (Same for the eastbound - darkness..........). Saw things that were all new to me (and have been alluded to in my previous posts) - for example, the rock slide 'sheds' that deflect the slides OVER the tracks rather than on to them. Interesting and effective concept indeed. Also the tunnel carved out of the rock - no portals - pretty rugged and functional. Can just imagine the work those people put into building that railroad! Wow.

Now - fast forward to the day of departure from Vancouver, Sunday, January 5th.

Talk had been heard in the "Silver & Blue" waiting area set aside for bedroom passengers at Pacific Central Station, that the "Cruise Ship Virus" had been detected on the train that had arrived from Toronto that morning. The train, was "quarantined" - not the passengers - and another had to be assembled rather quickly for the eastbound "Canadian" that evening (our triain).

Now for those of you who don't know - this particular virus is a real doozy. Once it hits you - expect to be "out of it" for 48 hours, working very well from all 'ends' I might add. It probably is better known as the "Norwalk Virus" to most people who follow these things.

It was said that 15 passengers in the coach portion of the morning train had come down with the virus and they were in very poor shape as some were carried from the train. All of this talk didn't bode well for what we had expected to unfold.

We board the "new" train - deposited our belongings in the drawing room of the Stathcona Park Car and headed up to the dome to take in the sights of the train departing Vancouver. Just a marvelous way to travel - my wife had a complimentary glass of champagne and I had a local brew - and all was well with the world as we left Vancouver behind us.

The next day was a picture taking day indeed. Just to give you one example, check out this photo of Mt. Robson - the tallest mounain in the Canadian Rockies at 12,972 ft/3,953 m. (click to enlarge ......)



That should give you an idea of the great sky very conducive to picture taking (and keeping!).

Fast forward to the next day as the train pulled into Winnipeg. We noticed all kinds of activity alongside the south side of the tracks as we neared the station. TV cameras, reporters, microphones, et al. When we asked our car attendant what was going on - he indicated that he had no idea, so we let it go at that. We arrived at the station to an announcement that if anyone wanted to stretch their legs now would be the time, but that they would NOT be permitted to reboard until further notice. Hmmmmm - we stayed on board.

After about 2 hours of sitting up in the dome,and the train already late for the scheduled departure, we began to ask of the "new" attendant, what was going on. She said there was a "work issue" and that several new crew members refused to board the train. No further elaboration was given.

About 2 hours after that - we heard an announcement that the train would be delayed further pending arrival of Health Canada officials. Hmmmmmmm.

Fast forward to the bottom line:

The virus had stricken a half dozen passengers, one in the bedroom compartment adjacent to ours. We had noticed that all during the trip, the handrails were being constantly wiped by attendants wearing latex gloves and spraying a solution wherever one might be expected to touch ....... That was the only overt indication of preventative measures being taken to safeguard us from this virus. The replacement crew refused to board at Winnipeg until assurances were given that they would not be adversely impacted.

That evening - after the train finally left, a total of 6 hours in delay - we had dinner. Within a half hour of that event, I got sick - and did I ever get sick! I'm an "old guy" and have experienced feeling bad in my life - but I assure you, NEVER quite like this.

The remainder of the trip to Toronto was spent in the toilet - got to know that rascal "up close and personal" or comatose in bed. Awful experience to say the least.

We were met at the station by VIA Rail and Health Canada officials. The latter wanted to take "samples" and the former wanted me to sign something similar to a "release." I provided the sample - but refused the release.

We remined on the train for about 45 minutes after everyone else had departed and then we were "cleared" to go. The VIA Rail official arranged for our baggage to be taken to a taxi - put us in it - picked up the tab (for the cab, that is) and sent us on our way to the hotel we had made reservations with. Stayed at the Renaissance in the Sky Dome.

Fast forward to today: Haven't heard a word about the incident since and the replies to my inquiries regarding exactly what was done with my "samples" and confirmation from VIA and Helath Canada that this was the "Cruise Ship Virus" have NEVER been addressed. I even provided photo copies of the newspaper accounts of the virus aboard the trains (that earlier train I alluded to, and ours) - but it was if the recipients closed their minds to the facts ......[tdn][tdn][tdn])

Case closed.

P.S. Am I angry with VIA Rail over this? NO - absolutely NOT. I love those trains and I enjoy the experience. However, I think ineptitude and rudeness on the part of ANY indiviudal can NEVER be excused. So, I will probably always harbor a feeling of ill will directed toward those who should have:

(1) Informed the passengers on the train of the situation when it became apparent that the virus was indeed detected.

(2) Permitted those of us who were not yet effect, to get off the train in Winnipeg in order to make other travel plans.

(3) Been a bit more helpful to those of us stricken with the illness to include arranging for a doctor to check us out either on the train or at our hotel.

(4) etc. ......
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Okay - that's it for me. Have a great day and I hope to see a bit more activity tomorrow on OUR discussion topic.[tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Back again for a tall (16 oz.) "Wide Mouth, keg lined" can of Blatz, please Tom and "one for yourself." A fine traditional salutation pwolfe. Oh, I had "petrol" specifically in mind. I'm aware of some of the diesel electric and over head electric multiple units. I rode some during my Ireland vacation. One train was the leg from Dublin to Dun Laoghaire (Kingstown), another between Cork and Cobh (Queenstown). I was really impressed how well the roadbed and equipment was maintained. Yes, some of the cars are a bit thread bare and showing their age from proir use but over all, its a good system. I regret not taking the Ferry from Dun Laoghaire over to West Wales but an unseasonable gale blew in off the Irish Sea and the boats weren't running that day. Too bad because I have no plans for returning.

[#offtopic] Providence knows I would rather have a hemorrhoid attack in Church than review today's headlines. It is the unconscionable political slander that is now being waged by the liberal "mainstream media cartel" against all efforts for restoring New Orleans. I suppose we should have bulldozed San Francisco to the ground after the last devastation of buldings built on Jello and a double deck freeway (Nimitz) built on "quick sand?" What of the San Andrea's fault running under Los Angeles? Worst of all, the Federal Government is being blamed for the total incompetence of a indecisive Mayor and a vacuous Governor of Louisiana. We are hearing from Toadies in Vermont on the "real" failures in the Gulf region. These stoic evacuees don't need rancor and mindless political rehtoric. Come to think of it, neither do we.[tdn]

The site Tom posted a couple of pages ago on Pennsy's "Congressional and Senator" is a "must see" for any eastern road fans.[tup] I rode both trains trailing the venerable GG-1's from Baltimore to Philly and Grand Central, they never disappoint. The AmTrak "Northeast Corridor" is arguably the only remnant left of this Nation's once proud, fast , clean and efficient passenger rail service.[:(] I understand the West Coast still has decent service between major cities too. I surely don't know of much "in between."

Okay, its getting late and I need to "do the rounds" before retiring. Kudoos for the "Silver Throttle Award" members, Tom and earlydiesels Dan. Thanks again for the Frisco site, I'll be looking into it shortly. What a Pandora's box "Doodlebugs" have opened. No Boris, put the Black Flag away...Krumlins! Happy rails all.

[Anonymous]

My most grevious apologies, its later than I thought. RETRACTION: coalminer 3 is the recipient of the "Silver Throttle Award." Sorry earlydiesels Dan for the premature award.

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening one and all,please excuse brevity but have just accidently deleted a measured response to all recent posts and am frankly too tired to type it all out again-suffice it to say--SPLENDID PARTY HEAD HURTS SPEAK SOON nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Ted & Nick

Was beginning to wonder whether we'd be closing up early tonight .... slow, slow, slow. Well, perhaps that's to be expected, given the festivities of yesterday and last night! [swg]

The Phantom Browser Syndrome continues .... I've seen three of our regulars peeking in today and this evening, with nothing to say - absolutely nothing. I just don't get it ........ Same thing happened yesterday at the picnic - one of our guys was there but simply wouldn't join in. Strange ......... [sigh]

Ted Glad you enjoyed the Pennsy site - my favorite of favorite roads for sure. Wish I had been a position to travel in 'em more as an adult. Duty called in those days and while I was traveling, it wasn't on steel rails. [swg]

Don't let this media driven frenzy get to ya - I share your thoughts and opinion. I suspect many Americans are fed up with the never ending inquisitions into virtually all aspects of what is or isn't done these days (daze). Some of our not-so-loyal opposition claims patriotism is driving their efforts to uncover the facts. Huh [?] Keep the faith!

Nick Man oh man, how I hate that when it happens - the old disappearing Post trick! Have you considered using a word processor program to compile your thoughts, then copy 'n paste 'em onto the thread [?] Works .......

Catch ya in the 'morrow when I think we'll reach that Century mark! [yeah]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Gunns]

Hi all, sorry Tom,
Ran off to my folks place in Colo <Bayfield 18 mi from Durango>
and dads connex is too slow ......
any way need coffee! am at work again. While in Colo I snuck off to the D&S shops and bummed around in the shops for a day I'm jelous... wanna loot them tools <G> The private cars there are really "Classics", and I saw the drivers for the 315 in the shops, look like they had never been turned before lotsa metal left.
later
Gunns

[siberianmo]

Hi Gunns

Glad to have you back ...... I was going to tweeeeeeet you for a Rules Violation, but what the heck ....... [swg]

Hope you take the opportunity to read thru the Posts and Summaries since your last visit - if not, you'll surely miss out on some good stuff; we've had an interesting several days for sure.

Maybe on your next visit you'll order something ........ gotta pay those bills, ya know![;)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning! Mid-week and time for some light breakfast fare - hot coffee and pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery. [yeah] Great way to start the day ..... [tup]

News of the Day:

(1) Repeat Consider helping those who are suffering from the effects of Hurricane Katrina.

(2) updated When will we reach 100 Pages [?]

Chris says September 5th Eliminated!
Russell says September 9th
Nick says September 11th
Al says September 5th (by Noon!) Eliminated!
Doug says September 5th (by 6 PM!) Eliminated!
Rob says September 8th
Dave says September 5th Eliminated!
Pete says Sepember 12th
Dan says September 3rd Eliminated!
Ted says September 16th

CONTEST CLOSED!

(3) SILVER THROTTLE AWARD

Introduced by Theodorebear – Ted, Manager of ”Our” Place for outstanding achievement in quality of Posts on our thread. Ted requests that we not refer to it as the Teddy Bear Award! [swg]

Criteria [?] Sustained excellence, relevance and personal warmth reflected in Posts regarding Classic Trains at ”Our Place.

First – West Coast S – Dave – 27 Aug 2005

Second – coalminer3 – CM3 – 06 Sep 2005

Third – siberianmo – Tom – 06 Sep 2005

(4) Birthday Bash for trolleyboy Rob Saturday, Sep 10th at 10 PM (Eastern).

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 00:12:33 (98) Tuesday’s News & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 06:58:35 (98)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 07:08:42 (98) reply to passengerfan

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 07:59:10 (98)

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 09:18:30 (98)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 10:27:53 (98) reply to passengerfan

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 10:45:35 (98) reply to coalminer3

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 11:09:48 (98) Silver Throttle Award

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 11:12:52 (98)

(10) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 11:25:27 (98)

(11) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 11:49:37 (98)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 12:45:06 (98) reply to Theodorebear

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 13:01:04 (98) reply to earlydiesels & The Gallopin’ Goose

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 14:10:42 (98) Birthday Bash reminder

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:52:47 (99) Order of the Stools

(16) pwolfe Pete Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:53:18 (99)

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 17:44:45 (99) reply to pwolfe

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 19:38:43 (99) VIA Rail story

(19) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 19:49:28 (99)

(20) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 19:56:25 (99)

(21) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 20:02:24 (99)

(22) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 20:43:39 (99) reply to Theodorebear & nickinwestwales

(23) Gunns Kevin Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 23:58:36 (99)

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 00:15:55 (99) reply to Gunns

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Good late evening Leon since Tom has long gone to bed and I'm soon to follow I'll not order anything tonight[|)]. [c]CM3 Congrats and yes a fine fine post. I sence that you are or were a writer in this or a former life[;)] pwolfe Yes to your question, the RCN had 4 "O" class boats. The Ojibwa,Olanagan, and the Onaadaga all new built in 62-63. Ojibwa was the original boat bought off the shelf. A fourth unit the ex HMS Olympus was purchased in the late 80's. She was non-operational and was used as a temporary dockside trainer. Tom I didn't think you folks had any diesel boats left at the time. Mind you any that were left were likley older than the 'O' class we were retiring.I've heard awfull stories about HMCS Rainbow, which was a sub we picked up second hand from the USN in the 50's. A guppy3 rebuild. It was uniformly despised by the crews too cramped and too slow. The O class were far superior in both reguards. This likely had something to do with the choice. That and the fact our miserly Liberal govt, which is known for it's non supporting of the armed forces( they were and are getting heat from the general pop on thier questionable armed forces policies ) got a deal they couldn't refuse from the Royal Navy. Al Wonderfull info on those PSTR cars. I'm as always humbled by your veast store house of knowledge. I had thought that there was a halfways decent set of Morning sun books on CPR freight and passenger cars as well. Similar to the two they put out on the CNR. The CPR books were published first ( likely sold out ) If you get a chance pop by our museums website. Under the stop 92 gift shop section their may be a couple of books that may help you on wooden passenger cars Crossen and a few other small manufacturers. We don't just sell trolley and traction books. The gift shop manager's favourite passtime is finding and selling rail and traction books hard and soft cover. Email me of you have a wish list I'm on good terms with her seeing as she is Heather's mom ! This goes for ebveryone else as well Ted & barndad I agree with Ted the curved side is a pure treasure. I'd love to have one for our museum. My hometown of St Catharines Ontario's main city cars were a fleet of 16 of those bought second hand. The NS&T tended to be thrifty, they ran the city systems in St Catharines and Niagara Falls ON. as well as the interurban runs to Port Colbourne , Welland, Thorald and Port Dalhousie. You guys wouldn't be interested in borrowing or lending that car off indeffinatly would you? [;)][:D]I know silly question, it is good to see such a good example of such a common car type. [tup][:p]really and truly only Peter Witt's and PCC's were more common. Oh Ted and everyone else, I have gotten the rest of the layout pictures of Ted's up and running on my rail images site so have a peek at the rest of Ted's modelling genious ![tup][:I] Well gent's I'm atired and am now heading for the trolley barn.[|)] Speaking of which I shopuld have some construction pictures and such on my own efforts up soon[:I]( once the film is developed and then scanned ) Tom [/b] Thanks for the new couple of urls on the NH I'm filimng them for future perusal.[tup][:)] Nite gentlemen. Rob [zzz]

[siberianmo]

Early Mornin' Rob

Up late - or still up early - whatever! [swg] .......... Glad you stopped by, we were just closing up .......... As long as we have even one customer at the bar, we'll stay opened .....

Those diesel boats I referred to were in surplus - mothballed as they say. None were operational. Can't comment on the USS Rainbow and the 50's transfer ... have no knowledge of it. Those sub sailors are a special breed, indeed. [tup]

Nah, I'm just one who gets verbose from time to time and every once in awhile, whatever I'm saying actually makes sense! [swg]

Filiming the URL's [?] <huh> Not sure I follow that ..... nevertheless, glad you put 'em to use.

Looks like this may be our 100th page day - See ya later !

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

G'Mornin' one and all. Hey Tom, sit tight, I'll fetch a Juan Valdez and a couple of Cocanut Cremes. If there were any questions about your Award, the synopsis of your VIA rail excursion put any such doubts to rest. Egad, no telling what could've devloped from the Norfolk virus scare. The long delays alone would have found yours truly on the first connection to Seattle and thence home.[xx(]

Rob many thanks for the trouble you took to post "Lil K.C. Mo," I owe ya buddy! There is still so much to do and "undo" that it will take months. Hey mon ami, looks like you are about to win the 100th page Jack Pot! Glad you had a great "getaway," in spite of "petrol pump paralysis."[:O] Submarines, hmmm! I did a tour through the Tarsk (Baltimore Harbo(u)r) W.W. II U.S. Sub and nearly "lost it" to claustrophobia. Not my cup of Twinnings. Lookin' forward to your B.Day Bash on the 10th (10:00 p.m. eastern). It should fall about right for our Mtn. and Pacific time crews. Minnie the Moocher is usually having her night cap about then and me "hitting the Posturepedic." No problem, I'll take a NoDoze and don a lamp shade for the festivities.

Gunns, thought we lost you to the "Summer Winds." Durango is such a beautiful setting, the air is dry and elevation ideal for some serious R & R. Always that sound of the D & R G W steam whistle echoing through the mountain valleys, what a shrine it is. The wife and I stayed over night at the hotel downtown June 1973, had a great meal across the street. This was part of our Honeymoon package I put together for maximum rail opportunities. Durango, Grand Canyon, Royal Gorge and Taos, N.M. were highlights for me. Carol liked the Hopi Indian Reservation, go figure women?

Nick old chum[C+:-)], this just hasn't been a good week for you.[}:)] Could the clairvoyant lady of mystery you've been seeing have any bearing on these misfortunes? ["..bubble bubble toil and trouble..."] Know about hitting the "Reset" instead of "Preview," *#$ !$#@! IT![:(!] Hey, like your Jazz dude; sit in anytime. Took me half an hour to blow the cobwebs from the old Bach 50-2b (double trigger, 12 " bell) Bass Bone. Ain't nothin' like being the cushion under a big jazz band.![^] Remember Ted Heath?

Okay Boris, you don't need to worry about the "Doodlebugs;" they only eat other ants. We will talk to Gunns about reparing "Old 99's bell." This is the last time "Our" Place pays the tariff. Go ahead...BUNG Oooh GAD!!!

[Anonymous]

Morning all. I'll take some of those plain dognuts from the Mentor Village bakery and a cup of joe , Tom.Almost at 100!
Coalminer3, congratulations on the Silver Throttle Award. It made me feel like I was there--could even smell the smells!
pwolfe, the Midland's season ends around Halloween. We still have several events planned as well as the regular excursions. Beside the computer, I have flyers for the Murder Mystery trains later this month and next month is the Halloween trains. In between, we have Maple Leaf Festival which is going to feature some WW2 reenactors for the first time. Have you checked our website?
Tom, that was some trip you took! At least you survived it and are not too awful bitter. A clarification here, I did not hit that pickup on Saturday. He crossed in front of me too close and his action was witnessed by a sheriff's deputy, who then pulled over the pickup. On the return trip, the deputy was parked on the shoulder to watch our passage. No collisions at this crossing,yet. Appreciate the words to Gallopin Goose. I was trying to get the band to play this and Silverton over the weekend but they had'nt heard of either song! At least I had the tape in the truck.
Gunns, sounds like a good trip--got to see the folks and pursue your hobbies! 2 volunteers from our rr recently came back from time in Colorado. They said that D&S is getting even more commercial. Lots of things that used to be free are now paid and some places are fenced off. I read that the company that owns D&S and GSMrr is moving its corporate HQ to Durango. The prez already enrolled his children in the Durango schools.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Ted

Regarding the VIA Rail trip report - [yeah] It was quite the adventure. Actually, I'm fortunate that the virus attack didn't occur on the way west. As it was, we had departed Winnipeg, en route Toronto when I fell ill. The Norwalk virus aka: Cruise Ship virus isn't anything to fool with. [:(]

Thanx for the kinds words - as always! More importantly, I appreciate your taking the time to read it! [tup]

Appears as if Boris 'n you have become quite attached to one another ..... I'm sure he'd love a trip to Florida! [swg] Just set him loose in the Everglades and Katy bar the door ......... [:O]

If we top 100 pages today - there won't be a winner. Gotta hit it on the mark, otherwise no cigar!

Catch ya later!

Tom][4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hi earlydiesels Dan

Good to see ya and help yourself to the pastries ....... [tup]

Appreciate your taking the time to read my ViA Rail adventure - and no, I can't fault the railroad for the virus attack. What I do hold them responsible for is listed at the end of my story. Overall, it was truly quite an adventure for those six days and nights aboard the Canadian.

I reread your Post and see now where I misunderstood - thanx for the clarification! There is justice every now 'n then. [swg]

Here's one of my favorites - and somehow appropriate for these times:

QUOTE: The City of New Orleans
by Steve Goodman

Riding on the City of New Orleans,
Illinois Central Monday morning rail
Fifteen cars and fifteen restless riders,
Three conductors and twenty-five sacks of mail.
All along the southbound odyssey
The train pulls out at Kankakee
Rolls along past houses, farms and fields.
Passin' trains that have no names,
Freight yards full of old black men
And the graveyards of the rusted automobiles.

CHORUS:
Good morning America how are you?
Don't you know me I'm your native son,
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.

Dealin' card games with the old men in the club car.
Penny a point ain't no one keepin' score.
Pass the paper bag that holds the bottle
Feel the wheels rumblin' 'neath the floor.
And the sons of pullman porters
And the sons of engineers
Ride their father's magic carpets made of steel.
Mothers with their babes asleep,
Are rockin' to the gentle beat
And the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.

CHORUS

Nighttime on The City of New Orleans,
Changing cars in Memphis, Tennessee.
Half way home, we'll be there by morning
Through the Mississippi darkness
Rolling down to the sea.
And all the towns and people seem
To fade into a bad dream
And the steel rails still ain't heard the news.
The conductor sings his song again,
The passengers will please refrain
This train's got the disappearing railroad blues.

Good night, America, how are you?
Don't you know me I'm your native son,
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.

I prefer the Willie Nelson version - although Arlo Guthrie's is in the Juke as well! [tup]

Here's to a full recovery for all those who call the Crescent City home! [tup][tup][tup] And of course, for the resumption of passenger rail service to the city! [yeah]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good afternoon. Coffee, please - quarters for the jukebox as usual and a round for the house. Thanks to all for the kind words re "silver throttle." There will be more to come as time permits.

Enjoyed the Canadian story and the picture - breathtaking (the photo anyway). We had a similar situation one time when I was on the Lakeshore. Medical folks came on and carted the infectious passenger off at Schenectady. That's a good way to make your day.

Hotel Essex? And you survived ? Congratulations! That was a crew base for the NH back in the day, IIRC. Also the Hobbytown Store was right down the street. Not to be confused with the model equipment manufacturer. The store later moved to a location near North Statiion, so we had the elevated nearby when we visited the place. The Essex stayed around for awhile even after the "reconstruction" of the South Station area began.

Let's loop back to the New Haven's lightwegiht trains for a minute. You can find lovely color shots of them in Peter Lynch's excellent book, New Haven Railroad. p. 151 has a full-page color shot of the John Quincy Adams "haulin' it" through Wickford Jct., R.I. , in 1957. You'll find a color shot of the "Roger Williams" (the RDC train) at Canton Jct. in 1958 on p. 152, and on p. 153 there's an almost full page color shot of the Dan'l Webster at Madison, CT in 1957.

The NH had different paint schemes (if you can call them that on their RDCs). Most folks recall the white front with the white "NH" on an orange background. There's a shot of a set of them on p. 104. The picture was made at Canton Jct. in 1957. p. 145 has an RDC1/RDC1/RDC4 at Plainville, CT in 1953. These are plain faced with the NYNH&H script herald on the door. p. 128 as an excellent closeup of the script lettering, etc. on an RDC at Winsted, CT in 1954.

I also touched on the B&M's RDCs awhile back and that set me to thinking abt a book I remembered. It's by John L. Worden, III, and the title is Arlington's Little Local Railroad: An Illustrated History of the Lexington and West Cambridge Railroad and its Successors. It was published in 1991 and I got my copy from the Friends of the Bedford Depot. It may still be available. Good maps, excellent pictures. You might enjoy it.

Well, better gat back after it. Thanks again.

work safe

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom. Time for a CR and a round for the House.
Well had a few minutes so I thought I would research those two PSTR "Canadian Flyer "Coaches. The two cars were CN numbers 5183 and 5203 the same numbers they carried when transferred to Via Rail Canada. The two cars were built between October and December 1937 by Canadian Car & Foundry as part of the series 5180-5229 with 48 Non Smoking seats and 16 smoking seats. They were assigned to long distance services in the Continental between Montreal / Toronto and Vancouver. After retirementb from Via Rail they were assigned to CN work trains service and the interiors were stripped. In 1989 they were sold to the PSTR and fitted with the interiors they now wear for Charter services. they were renumbered 51 and 52 for service on the PSTR.