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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, February 3, 2006 4:28 PM
Hello Tom and Gents at the bar!

My, my, my - the theme today is the PRR isn't it[?] I'd say Al sorta kinda overextended himself with that absolutely data filled, everything one could possible wanna know, post of his. Much too long and I really think it would help us all out a tad if you'd take up the offers made by some to put those %$#(# things in sections. Please!

So, how's it going, Tom[?] Are the B.....tards getting you down[?][swg] Don't envy you, for the last time we had floors torn apart for new ones, it was the nightmare on our street for sure![tdn] I'm sure you'll fill us in though. My wife has decided to get those rooms redone, but wants to wait until better weather <phew!>[swg] Off the hook - for just a bit.[swg]

Nice info, CM3. I like that baseball idea and will see if I can come up with anything to help out.[tup]

Some Billy Loes 'stuff' - William (Billy) Loes (born December 13, 1929 in Long Island City, New York) is a former pitcher in Major League Baseball. From 1950 through 1961, Loes played for the Brooklyn Dodgers (1950, 1952-56), Baltimore Orioles (1956-59) and San Francisco Giants (1960-61). He batted and threw right handed.

In an eleven-season career, Loes posted a 80-63 record with 645 strikeouts and a 3.89 ERA in 1190.1 innings pitched. He made the American League All-Star team in 1957.

Loes was known for his sense of humor as much as his pitching prowess. One time, he booted a ground ball in a key situation. After the game, a reporter asked him the all-too-obvious question of what had happened. Instead of going off on the reporter, Loes calmly responded, "I lost it in the sun!"
Before the 1952 World Series, Brooklyn Dodgers' manager Charlie Dressen cornered pitcher Billy Loes.
"I see in the paper where you picked the Yankees to beat us in seven games. What's wrong with you," Dressen said.
"I was misquoted," Loes protested. "I picked them in six games."
(the aforementioned from Wikipedia under the terms provided

I'll take one of those steak [dinner] dinners when I return, and a pitcher of brewski![swg]

Buy a drink with this ten spot for the bar and let's hoist the mugs to that fine railroad, the Pennsy![tup][tup][tup]


Until the next time!

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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, February 3, 2006 3:25 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual and a bacon sub please.

TOM and AL. Great and very detailed posts on the Pennsy [wow][tup][tup].
On one of my earlier visits to the U.S. I had a 7 hour layover at Newark and took a trip to Penn Station New York from the then nearly new station at the airport, linked to the terminals by a light rail system. I guess that this was the Pennsy main line.If I get a chance again it would be good to spend some time at the Newark Penn station.
On the sleeping cars a very impressive fleet. I wonder who selected the names for them. A golden age of rail travel indeed.

Many thanks for compiling these two very informative posts.Have around on me [yeah][tup.]

ROB Welcome Classic Juice Safety Car Encore.
With the Blackpool trams I would think that they will keep some of the older cars. A privatly funded company in the U.K has designed and built a light rail tram, the first one for over 40 years and they are hoping to gain orders from abroad as well as in the U.K.

CM3 Just caught your post[tup]. A Mentor Village Baseball team[?]. Who could we get get to play against them. A pity there is not trains about like the one in the ad.
Tom. Any Steak tonight, if not is there any Fish & Chips left over [?]. PETE.
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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, February 3, 2006 3:24 PM
Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please (with a little extra from the "Breath of Heather" bottle behind the bar); a round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. B4 we begin, let's raise a glass to Western Union and the end of the telegram.

Now to the jukebox - here's one I can relate to, "I Liked You Better Before I Got to Know You So Well." Let's follow it with "She's Looking Better After Every Beer," and round out the set with the toe-tapping honky tonk classic, "I Still Miss You Baby, But My Aim's Gettin' Better."


We will be working Sat and Sun getting ready for Safety Stand Down on Monday - it's going to be busy for certain.

My,my some wonderful posts. The C&O/PM summary and other car summaries are all so useful and most appreciated. Broadway, PRR history - wow!

I enjoyed the description of "lighting the groundhog," and wonder if it's anything like "presenting the haggis?"

Also, appreciated the information on the Speedliner. The stuff I posted was, IIRC a little bit later when the train only ran as far as Baltimore.

I can see why the police and fire reports of the Mentor Gazette are shipped separately - if they were added into the paper, the springs on the RPO would fail. It sure is a busy place for such a small town.

Movie nights look even better what with Bound for Glory and one of my all-time favorites, "Emperor of the North." Borgnine was positively evil in that one.

As for the sports section. Bobby Thomson (aka the Flying Scot or the Staten Island Scot) closed out his career in 1960 playing for the Red Sox and the Orioles. I did see him when he was in Boston. As Yogi might have said, "He was taller than he looked." He was about 6'2" and weighed 180. He hit 264 home runs in his career and is only remembered for one. I remember Russ Hodges's radio call and the picture of Ralph Branca looking like he had been in a train wreck. Sometime later I heard Red Barber's call of the same game and thinking how different it was compared to Hodges yelling and carrying on. Of course, I don't think Barber ever raised his voice. I really used to enjoy his segments on NPR. For our steamed propiretor - who in !@#$ will be carrying our Cardinals now that KMOX bailed out?

As for Bobby Orr - 'nough said. One of the best - ever - period/end of story.

Now the Dodgers comments brought to mind an otherwise forgettable journeyman pitcher named Billy Loes. He once butchered a ball, threw it into the seats, and cost the Dodgers the ballgame. His remark to the press was, "I lost it in the lights." The only problem was that it was a day game and a grounder.

BTW, when does training camp start for the Greater Mentor Village nine? Maybe we can sponsor players and get our names on the uniforms, sorta like Chico's Bail Bonds in the original "Bad News Bears." My God, we already have enough mascots - some of them human!

How about beginning a list of great lines from baseball movies.

Let's start with three from A League of Their Own:
"There's no crying in baseball! Rogers Hornsby, my manager, once called me a stinking pile of pig!@#$ - did I cry ? No. Why? because there's no crying in baseball."
"Come on girls, God knows we've got a game."
"I loved you in the Wizard of Oz."

From Bull Durham
"Come on, meat - take your best shot - the way I hear it, you couldn't hit the water if you fell out of the boat."
"Anything hit that far should have a stewardess on it - don't you think?"
"Candlesticks always are a good gift - let's get two."

On a somewhat more "cultural" note, those of you that are music and baseball fanciers may want to check out Billy Crystal's book 700 Sundays. His story about going to the movies with Lady Day is a classic. His baseball material is outstanding as well.

BUT - I digress.

Here's some more copy abt. B&O Slumbercoach service. iMHO, what the Viewliner could have and should have been if people had only looked at earlier designs.

Thrifty Travelers
Sleep ‘n Save
At low coach fares in B&O’s Private Room
Slumbercoaches
Between
Baltimore
Washington
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
St. Louis
And certain Texas points
Comfort and privacy at bargain coach fares
(Plus moderate space charge)
Single and double rooms
Soft armchairs
Comfortable full length beds
Solid sliding door with mirror
Private toilet facilities
Crib for infants

B&O Form A-90m 10/29/61

And a little more general type of advertising

Enjoy These Modern Travel Pleasures
Go By Train – at Low Rail Fares

Comfort – Relax in reclining coach seats, Slumbercoaches or modern Pullmans
Convenience – Depart and arrive in the center of town – near hotels, business offices and stores
Dependability – Fine, fast dependable service...in all kinds of weather
Good Meals – Dining is a pleasure – selection of reasonably priced meals, a salad or a sandwich
Relaxation - Highway strain and hazards are avoided p and lunges offer a club-like spot for sociability

Our employees invite you to ride with us – and enjoy B&O’s Courteous Service

Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (4/61)

Well, that's abt. enough for now - I may be offline for a bit, depending on how things go, but I'll try and check in.

work safe
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 3, 2006 8:57 AM
Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Three


Pennsylvania Railroad


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Locale: Chicago and St. Louis to New York City and Washington, DC

Reporting marks: PRR

Dates of operation: 1846 – 1968

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


The Pennsylvania Railroad (AAR reporting mark PRR) was an American railroad existing 1846–1968, after which it merged into Penn Central Transportation. Commonly referred to as the Pennsy, the company was headquartered in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The company's symbol was a keystone (Pennsylvania's symbol) with the letters PRR intertwined inside it. When colored, it was bright red with silver-grey edges and lettering (although it also appears in metal leaf outline on a wooden background on station benches).

The PRR was the largest railroad by traffic and revenue in the US throughout its 20th century existence and for a long while was the largest publicly traded corporation in the world. The corporation still holds the record for the longest continual dividend history, over 100 years of never missing an annual shareholder payment.

Like the Reading Railroad, the PRR served Atlantic City, New Jersey; one of the four railroad squares in the board game Monopoly is called Pennsylvania Railroad.

Standard Railroad of the World

The Pennsylvania Railroad, as the "standard railroad of the world", also strove for an air of permanence, decorating its railroad stations with symbols of itself. For a long time the PRR called itself the Standard Railroad of the World, meaning that it was the standard to which all other railroads aspired, the "gold standard". For a long time that was literally true; the railroad had an impressive lists of firsts, greatests, biggests and longests. The PRR was the first railroad to rid itself of wooden-bodied passenger cars in favor of the much safer steel-bodied cars. It led the way in many safety and efficiency improvements over the years. This advantage lessened as the years progressed, and the PRR eventually abandoned the use of the phrase.

The Pennsylvania Railroad was standard in another way, too - it was an early proponent of standardization. While other railroads used whatever was to hand or available, the Pennsylvania tested and experimented with solutions until they could decide on one, and then made it standard across the whole company. Other railroads bought locomotives and railroad cars in small lots, taking whatever was available from manufacturers at the time. The PRR produced huge numbers of standardised designs. This gave the railroad a feel of uniformity and greatly reduced costs. The PRR was also an early adopter of standard liveries and color schemes.

History

The eastern part of the PRR's main line was built by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania as part of the Main Line of Public Works, a railroad and canal corridor across the state. The system opened in 1834, consisting of the Philadelphia and Columbia Railroad from Philadelphia west to Columbia on the Susquehanna River, a canal from Columbia to Hollidaysburg, the Allegheny Portage Railroad from Hollidaysburg to Johnstown, and another canal from Johnstown to the terminus in Pittsburgh. The Philadelphia and Columbia Railroad had one inclined plane at each end; the Allegheny Portage Railroad had ten.

The Pennsylvania Railroad Company was chartered by the Pennsylvania legislature on April 13, 1846. Construction began in 1847 and the first section opened from Harrisburg west to Lewistown on September 1, 1849 (including the original Rockville Bridge across the Susquehanna River). Further extensions opened to McVeytown on December 24, Mount Union on April 1, 1850, Huntingdon on June 10, and Duncansville (west of Hollidaysburg) on September 16, 1850, taking it to a connection with the Allegheny Portage Railroad on the east side of the Allegheny Ridge. On the other side of the ridge, the main line opened from Conemaugh (on the Portage Railroad east of Johnstown) west to Lockport on August 25, 1851. On December 10, 1851, sections opened from Lockport west to Beatty (west of Latrobe) and from Pittsburgh east to Brinton, with a temporary stagecoach transfer between via the Southern Turnpike and a short turnpike branch built to Beatty. Part of that gap was filled on July 15, 1852, from Brinton east to Radebaugh, and on November 29 the full line was completed, forming the first all-rail route between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

Plane Number 1 of the Portage Railroad was bypassed on April 1, 1852. Other planes began to be bypassed by the New Portage Railroad, completed in 1856, but on February 15, 1854 the PRR's new line opened, leaving the old one on the east side of the ridge in Altoona and running west via the Horseshoe Curve and Gallitzin Tunnel, only using a short portion of the old Portage Railroad near South Fork and a longer adjacent section of New Portage Railroad. A reciprocal trackage rights agreement made March 18, 1854allowed the PRR to use that section for free.

On March 21, 1849 the PRR contracted with Eagle Line, primarily a steamboat company, for through service over the Philadelphia and Columbia Railroad. The PRR obtained trackage rights over the Portsmouth, Mount Joy and Lancaster Railroad, opened in 1838, on April 21, providing a route from Harrisburg to the Philadelphia and Columbia at Dillerville, just west of Lancaster. On September 1 the first section of the PRR opened, with all arrangements in place for service from Philadelphia to Lewistown. On December 20, 1860 the PRR formally leased the line west of Dillerville, renamed the Harrisburg, Portsmouth, Mount Joy and Lancaster Railroad in 1855.

In 1853 the PRR surveyed the Lancaster, Lebanon and Pine Grove Railroad from Philadelphia west via Phoenixville to Salunga on the Portsmouth, Mount Joy and Lancaster Railroad. This was done in order to show the state that the PRR was willing to build its own alignment around the Philadelphia and Columbia. On July 31, 1857, the PRR bought the whole Main Line of Public Works. The Philadelphia and Columbia Railroad was integrated into its system. Most of the New Portage Railroad, just completed the previous year at a cost of $2.14 million, was abandoned, while short sections became local branches. The canals were abandoned, and short sections were filled and covered by rails. In 1904 the New Portage Railroad east of the Gallitzin Tunnels (through the "Muleshoe Curve") was reopened as a freight bypass line.

Access to New York, Baltimore and Washington

In the early 1860s the PRR gained control of the Northern Central Railway, giving it access to Baltimore along the Susquehanna River (via connections at Columbia or Harrisburg). [1]

On December 1, 1871 [2] the PRR leased the United New Jersey Railroad and Canal Companies, which included the original Camden and Amboy Railroad from Camden, across the Delaware River from Philadelphia, to South Amboy, across Raritan Bay from New York City, as well as a newer line from Philadelphia to Jersey City, much closer to New York, via Trenton. Track connection in Philadelphia was made via the United Companies' Connecting Railway and the jointly-owned Junction Railroad.

The PRR's Baltimore and Potomac Rail Road opened on July 2, 1872 between Baltimore and Washington, but with a required transfer via horse car in Baltimore to the other lines heading north from the city. On June 29, 1873, the Baltimore and Potomac Tunnel through Baltimore was completed, and the PRR initiated the misleadingly-named Pennsylvania Air Line service via the Northern Central Railway and Columbia. This service was 54.5 miles (87.5 km) longer than the old route via the Washington Branch of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad and Philadelphia, Wilmington and Baltimore Railroad, but avoided a transfer in Baltimore. The Union Railroad opened on July 24, 1873, eliminating the transfer, and the PRR contracted with the Union Railroad and the PW&B. New York-Washington trains began using that route the next day, ending Pennsylvania Air Line service. The PRR acquired a majority of PW&B stock in the early 1880s, forcing the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad to build the Baltimore and Philadelphia Railroad to keep its Philadelphia access.

Low-grade lines

Around 1900, the PRR built several low-grade lines for freight to bypass areas of steep grades. These included the following:

• 1892 - Trenton Branch and Trenton Cut-Off Railroad from Glen Loch east to Morrisville (not only a low-grade line but a long-distance bypass of Philadelphia)

• 1892 - Waverly and Passaic Railroad (finished by the New York Bay Railroad) from Waverly, New Jersey to Kearny


• 1904 - reopening of the New Portage Railroad from the Gallitzin Tunnels east to New Portage Junction, then continuing north over the Hollidaysburg Branch to Altoona

• 1906 - Philadelphia and Thorndale Branch from Thorndale east to Glen Loch

• 1906 - Atglen and Susquehanna Branch from Harrisburg via the Northern Central Railway south to Wago Junction, then east to Parkesburg

The Pennsylvania and Newark Railroad was incorporated in 1905 to build a low-grade line from Morrisville, Pennsylvania to Colonia, New Jersey. It was never completed, but some work was done in the Trenton area, including bridge piers in the Delaware River. North of Colonia, the alignment was going to be separate, but instead two extra tracks were added to the existing line. Work was suspended in 1916.

Penn Central merger

On February 1, 1968 the PRR merged with arch-rival New York Central to form the Penn Central. The ICC required that ailing New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad be added in 1969. Penn Central declared bankruptcy in June, 1970.

Successors

Penn Central rail lines were split between Amtrak (Northeast Corridor and Keystone Corridor) and Conrail in the 1970s. After the breakup of Conrail in 1999, the portion which had formerly been PRR territory largely became part of the Norfolk Southern Railway.

Timeline

• 1916 PRR adopts new motto, "Standard Railroad of the World".

• 1916 First I1s 2-10-0 "Decapod" locomotive completed.

• 1916 A5s 0-4-0 and B6sb switching locomotives introduced.

• 1918 PRR stock bottoms at $40¼ due largely to Federal railroad control, lowest since 1877.

• 1918 Emergency freight routed through New York Penn Station and the Hudson tunnels at night by the USRA to relieve congestion.

• 1918 N1s 2-10-2 locomotives introduced for Lines West.

• 1968-02-01 Pennsylvania Railroad absorbs New York Central to form the Penn Central.

• August 26, 1999: The United States Postal Service issues 33-cent All Aboard! 20th Century American Trains commemorative stamps featuring five celebrated American passenger trains from the 1930s and 1940s. One of the five stamps features an image of a GG-1 locomotive pulling the Congressional along Pennsy's route between New York and Washington, D.C., and whose slogan was "Every Mile Electrified!"

PRR equipment, and colors & painting

PRR colors and paint schemes were very standardised. Locomotives were painted in a shade of green so dark as to be almost black, called DGLE (Dark Green Locomotive Enamel) but often called Brunswick Green. Underparts were painted true black. Passenger cars were painted Tuscan red, a brick-red shade. Lettering and lining was originally real gold leaf on passenger locomotives and cars, but in the post World War II period became Buff, a light yellow shade of paint. Some electric locomotives and most passenger-hauling diesel locomotives were painted in Tuscan also. Freight cars were painted Freight Car Color, an iron-oxide red.

Trackside, the PRR was virtually alone in its exclusive use of position-light signals.

Steam locomotives

For most of its existence, the PRR pursued a motive power policy of conservatism and standardisation. Almost uniquely among American railroads, the Pennsylvania designed most of its steam locomotive classes itself and built a fair proportion of them in its own Altoona Works - in fact, the PRR is believed to have been the 4th greatest builder of steam locomotives in the United States, after the three largest commercial builders.

Outside builders were, of course, used - the sheer numbers of locomotives the PRR ordered were far greater than its own works could produce. Unlike most roads who left the majority of the decision-making and design to the locomotive builder, giving only a broad specification, the PRR generally used a commercial builder as a subcontractor, building exact replicas of an existing PRR design.

When it needed to use a commercial locomotive builder, the Pennsy favored Philadelphia's Baldwin Locomotive Works over all others. Baldwin was a big PRR customer, for one thing -- its raw materials were delivered by the PRR, and its finished products were shipped over PRR metals also. That the two companies were headquartered in the same city certainly had a bearing - PRR and Baldwin management and engineers knew each other well. The second preference, when both the PRR and Baldwin shops were at capacity, was the Lima Locomotive Works in Lima, Ohio. Only at a last resort, it seems, would the PRR use Alco, the American Locomotive Company, based in Schenectady, New York - serviced by and favorite locomotive supplier to the Pennsy's arch rival, the New York Central Railroad.

The PRR had a definite style that it favored in its locomotives. The square-shouldered Belpaire firebox was a PRR trademark that otherwise found little favor in the United States; almost every PRR locomotive had it. It traded more difficult construction for a greater heating surface and simpler firebox staying. The PRR used track pans extensively to pick up water on the move, so the tenders of their locomotives had a comparatively large proportion of coal (which could not be taken on board while running) compared to water capacity. The PRR was wary of gadgets and its locomotives were not generally festooned with devices; the PRR also favored a neat mounting of such devices when necessary, leaving the lines of the locomotive comparatively clean. Smokebox fronts bore a round locomotive numberboard (freight) or keystone numberboard (passenger) and were otherwise uncluttered except for a headlamp mounted at the top, with a steam-driven turbo-generator behind it. In later years the positions of the two were reversed, since the generator needs more maintenance than the lamp.

The PRR, until its final years, preferred a philosophy of smaller locomotives rather than buying the biggest.

Each class of steam locomotive was assigned a class designation. Early on, this was simply an alphabetical letter, but when these began to run out, the scheme was changed so that each wheel arrangement had its own letter, and different types of the same arrangement were defined by a subsequent number. Subtypes were in turn indicated by a lower-case letter; superheating was designated by a "s" until the mid 1920s, by which time all new locomotives were superheated. Thus, for example, a 'K4sa' class was a 4-6-2 "Pacific" type (K) and of the fourth class of Pacifics ordered by the PRR. It was superheated (s) and was of the first variant type (a) after the original (unlettered). See PRR locomotive classification for details.

Major passenger stations

The PRR built several grand railroad passenger stations in major cities, either alone or in conjunction with other railroads. These architectural marvels served as the hubs for the PRR's extensive passenger service. Many of these stations are still in use today, served by Amtrak as well as regional passenger carriers. See also Pennsylvania Station, the name given to many of them.

Union Station, Washington, DC

Union Station served as a hub for PRR passenger services in the nation's capital, with connections to the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, and Southern Railway. The Richmond, Fredericksburg and Potomac Railroad provided a link to Richmond, Virginia, about 100 miles to the south, where major north-south lines of the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad and Seaboard Air Line Railroad provided service to the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida.

Penn Station, New York, NY

Penn Station was designed to be a replica of the Baths of Caracalla; it was notable for its enormous railshed and infamous demolition in the railroad's waning years. The station was built in 1910 to provide direct access to Manhattan from New Jersey without having to use a ferry, and was served by the PRR's own trains as well as those of the PRR's subsidiary the Long Island Rail Road. The demolition did not extend to the platforms, or the tracks, or even some of the staircases, however.

Penn Station, Newark, NJ

This Art Deco station was built in the 1930s as part of the Pennsy's Northeast Corridor infrastructure. It still stands, unlike the enormous trainshed of the New York station.

30th Street Station, Philadelphia, PA

In classical grandeur, the 30th Street Station displays its majestic - and traditional - architectural style with its enormous waiting room and its vestibules. The station, in spite of its apparent architectural classicism, was constructed in the early 1930s, when moderne and art deco styles were more popular.

Union Station, Chicago, IL

The Pennsylvania Railroad, along with the Milwaukee Road and the Burlington Route, built Chicago's Union Station, the only of Chicago's old stations to still exist as a train station (the rest of Chicago's operating passenger stations have been substantially remodelled). It was designed by Graham, Anderson, Probst & White in the Beaux Arts style.

Company officers

Presidents of the Pennsylvania Railroad:

• Samuel V. Merrick (1847–1849)
• William C. Patterson (1849–1852)
• J. Edgar Thomson (1852–1874)
• Thomas A. Scott (1874–1880)
• George B. Roberts (1880–1896)
• Frank Thomson (1897–1899)
• Alexander J. Cassatt (1899–1906)
• James McCrea (1907–1912)
• Samuel Rea (1913–1925)
• William W. Atterbury (1925–1935)
• Martin W. Clement (1935–1948)
• Walter S. Franklin (1948–1954)
• James M. Symes (1954–1960)
• Allen J. Greenough (1960–1968)

Chief Executive Officers of the Pennsylvania Railroad:

• James M. Symes (1960–1963)
• Stuart T. Saunders (1963–1968)

References:

Pennsylvania Railroad Technical and Historical Society

PRR Chronology - in depth

PRR Corporate History

Railroad History Database

PennsyRR.com - comprehensive PRR facts and history site, comprising multiple individual websites.

prr.railfan.net - contains a lot of Pennsy information, including equipment diagrams, freight car info.

Keystone Crossing: Hobo's Guide to the Pennsy

Atterbury-Bakalar Air Museum (2000), General Atterbury. Retrieved February 21, 2005.

Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (2005), RPI: Alumni hall of fame: Alexander J. Cassatt. Retrieved February 22, 2005.

President and Fellows of Harvard College (2004), 20th century great American business leaders - Martin W. Clement. Retrieved February 23, 2005.

White, John H., Jr. (Spring 1986), America's most noteworthy railroaders, Railroad History, Railway and Locomotive Historical Society, 154, p. 9-15.

Pennsylvania Railroad Company Inspection of Physical Property, Board of Directors November 10-11-12, 1948


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 3, 2006 8:29 AM


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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, February 3, 2006 7:28 AM
Good Morning Tom just a little more on the PRR.

PENNSYLVANIA Streamlined Sleeping Car
by Al

The PRR was one of the largest operators of lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars and one of the first to buy large numbers of these cars. Unlike the NYC who streamlined their TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED in 1938 the PRR not only streamlined the BROADWAY LIMITED but purchased additional streamlined sleeping cars for operation in other PRR trains. Even though the other trains were not fully equipped with streamlined sleeping cars the PRR had Pullman streamline a number of heavyweight sleeping cars for these trains as well They became the Fleet of Modernism as the PRR referred to them. The trains that belonged to the fleet of Modernism were the BROADWAY LIMITED between New York and Chicago, LIBERTY LIMITED between Washington and Chicago, GENERAL between New York and Chicago and the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS between New York and St. Louis. The latter train carried connecting cars to and from Washington meeting the main body of the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS at Harrisburg. Only the BROADWAY LIMITED of the four trains was all Pullman at that time. The other three would soon become All Pullman trains once again as the depression's effects gradually eased. All four of these trains had originated as heavyweight trains and all four became the fleet of Modernism on June 15, 1938.
First of the new trains to depart New York on that date was the GENERAL on its fast 17 hour 10 minute race to Chicago. The GENERAL was pulled between New York and Harrisburg by the GG-1 electric locomotives. West of Harrisburg the famous PRR K-4 Pacific Locomotives assumed the task. The Sleeping car section of the two GENERAL consists was comprised of the following cars.

SALMON P. CHASE 14 Section Stream-lined Heavyweight Sleeping Car

MAIDEN BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL RANGE 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 double Bedroom Sleeping Car

COLONIAL CONGRESS 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car


HEAVYWEIGHT DINER

HEAVYWEIGHT DINER

COLONIAL GOVERNORS 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

PHILADELPHIA COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF NEWARK 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

LAWMAKER 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Streamlined Heavyweight sleeping car (Pittsburgh - Chicago)

SECOND CONSIST

ELBERT H. GARY 14 Section Streamlined Heavyweight Sleeping Car

MAJOR BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL TERRACE 4 Compartment 2 drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

COLONIAL FATHERS 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

HEAVYWEIGHT DINER

HEAVYWEIGHT DINER

COLONIAL STATESMEN 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

LANCASTER COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF LOUISVILLE 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

HENRY CLAY 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Streamlined Heavyweight Sleeping Car (Chicago - Pittsburgh)

The BROADWAY LIMITED was the next of the Fleet of Modernism trains to depart from Pennsylvania Station and it was the flagship of the fleet. Discounting the two head end cars each first day inaugural consist was seven cars as follows.

CITY OF NEW YORK 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

CITY OF COLUMBUS 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

HARBOR POINT 2 Double Bedroom Secretary Room Barber Shop Shower Bar 28 Seat Lounge Car

4420 Modernized Heavyweight Dining Car

IMPERIAL PARK 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

ALLEGHENY COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

METROPOLITAN VIEW 2 Master Room 1 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 Seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

CITY OF CINCINNATI 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

CITY OF PITTSBURGH 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

HARBOR SPRINGS 2 Double Bedroom Secretary room Barber Shop Shower Bar 28 Seat Lounge Car

4423 Modernized Heavyweight Diner

IMPERIAL POINT 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

NEW YORK COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SKYLINE VIEW 2 Master Room 1 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 Seat Lounge Observation

The third train to depart from New York Pennsylvania Station was the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS that required three sets of equipment for daily service as follows.

THOMAS A. HENDRICKS 14 Section Streamlined Heavyweight Sleeping Car

JOSEPH D. OLIVER 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Streamlined Heavyweight Sleeping Car

CITY OF YOUNGSTOWN 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

COLONIAL MANSIONS 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

HEAVYWEIGHT DINER

MEADOW BROOK 12 Duplex Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

WHITE OAK 8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Streamlined Heavy-weight Sleeping Car

JACK'S NARROWS 2 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 23 Seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

BARTHOLOMEW PENROSE 14 Section Streamlined Heavy-weight Sleeping Car

RICHARD MONTGOMERY 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Streamlined Heavyweight Sleeping Car

CITY OF WILMINGTON 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

COLONIAL INNS 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

HEAVYWEIGHT DINER

MAR BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

WATER OAK 8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Streamlined Heavy-weight Sleeping Car

LEWISTOWN NARROWS 2 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 23 Seat Lounge Observation

THIRD CONSIST

GEORGE ROGERS CLARK 14 Section Heavyweight Stream-lined Sleeping Car

JOHN MORTON 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Heavyweight Streamlined Sleeping Car

CITY OF AKRON 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

COLONIAL DAMES 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

HEAVYWEIGHT DINER

MAPLE BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GRAY OAK 8 Section 2 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Streamlined Heavy-weight Sleeping Car

JUNIATA NARROWS 2 Drawing Room 1 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 23 Seat Lounge Observation

Departing from Washington and Chicago that same day was the last of the new Fleet of Modernism trains the LIBERTY LIMITED. The sleeping car section of this train was as follows.

MARCUS A. HANNA 14 Section Streamlined Heavyweight Sleeping Car

4500 Streamlined Dining Car

MILL BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

COLONIAL STAGES 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

MORNING BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Room Sleeping Car

CASCADE FALLS 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

FEDERAL VIEW 2 Master Room 1 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 Seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

CYRUS K. McCORMICK 14 Section Streamlined Heavyweight Sleeping Car

MIRROR BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

4501 Streamlined Dining Car

COLONIAL TRAILS 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Bar 26 Seat Lounge Car

MINERAL BROOK 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE PARK 10 Roomette 5 double Bedroom Sleeping Car

WASHINGTON VIEW 2 Master Room 1 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 25 Seat Lounge Observation

The following sleeping cars were those specifically built for the BROADWAY LIMITED.

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1938 Plan: 4068D Lot: 6539 (Built for and assigned to BROADWAY LIMITED)

CITY OF BALTIMORE

CITY OF CINCINNATI

CITY OF COLUMBUS

CITY OF NEW YORK

CITY OF PHILADELPHIA

CITY OF PITTSBURGH

CITY OF ST. LOUIS

CITY OF WASHINGTON

4 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1938 Plan: 4069B Lot: 6540 (Built for and assigned to BROADWAY LIMITED)

IMPERIAL PARK

IMPERIAL PASS

IMPERIAL PLATEAU

IMPERIAL POINT

13 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1938 Plan: 4071A Lot: 6541 (Built for and assigned to BROADWAY LIMITED)

ALLEGHENY COUNTY

NEW YORK COUNTY

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM SECRETARY ROOM BARBER SHOP SHOWER BAR 28 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4077 Lot: 6550 (Built for and assigned to BROADWAY LIMITED)

HARBOR POINT

HARBOR SPRINGS

2 MASTER ROOM 1 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4080 Lot: 6548 (Built for and assigned to BROADWAY LIMITED)

METROPOLITAN VIEW

SKYLINE VIEW

The following listing of Heavyweight Sleeping Cars were streamlined by Pullman for the PRR Fleet of Modernism. Not only did these cars serve in those trains the PRR assigned them to other trains upgrading those trains external appearance. The following cars are known to have operated in the PITTSBURGHER, PHILADELPHIA NIGHT EXPRESS, and PITTSBURG NIGHT EXPRESS and many other trains.

14 SECTION SLEEPING CARS

ANDREW CARNEGIE

ANDREW SQUIRE

BARTHOLOMEW PENROSE

CYRUS H. McCORMICK

DAVID SINTON

ELBERT H. GARY

GEORGE ROGERS CLARK

HENRY WATTERSON

MARCUS A. HANNA

POTTER PALMER

SALMON P. CHASE

THOMAS A. HENDRICKS

12 SECTION 1 DRAWING ROOM SLEEPING CARS

ANDREW JACKSON

CHEVY CHASE

CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS

DANIEL WEBSTER

GEORGE ARMISTEAD

HENRY CLAY

JAMES WHITCOMB RILEY

JOHN EAGER HOWARD

JOHN JAY

JOHN MORTON

JOSEPH D. OLIVER

JOSEPH REED

LAWMAKER

NATHANEAL GREENE

NATHANIEL BACON

PAN-AMERICAN

RICHARD DALE

RICHARD MONTGOMERY

ROBERT MORRIS

ROGER WILLIAMS

THOMAS COOK

THOMAS PAINE

WILLIAM BAINBRIDGE

WILLIAM ELLERY

6 SECTION 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS

POPLAR ARBOR

POPLAR COUNTRY

POPLAR GORGE

POPLAR ISLE

POPLAR RANGE

POPLAR REALM

POPLAR SLOPE

POPLAR SQUARE

POPLAR VALE

POPLAR VILLA

8 SECTION 1 DRAWING ROOM 2 COMPARTMENT SLEEPING CARS

COUNCIL OAK

FOX OAKS

GRAY OAK

WATER OAK

WHITE OAK

10 SECTION 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS

VILLA BEAUTIFUL

VILLA COLONIAL

VILLA PALATIAL

6 SINGLE BEDROOM BUFFET LOUNGE CARS

SUMMIT GROVE

SUMMIT LAKE

1 DRAWING ROOM 1 COMPARTMENT BUFFET OBSERVATIONS

ANDREW W. MELLON

RICHARD BEATTY MELLON

The following lightweight streamlined sleeping cars all built by Pullman Standard were assigned to those other three Fleet of Modernism trains GENERAL, LIBERTY LIMITED, and SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.

4 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1938 Plan: 4069B Lot: 6540 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL)

IMPERIAL RANGE

IMPERIAL TERRACE

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1938 Plan: 4068D Lot: 6539 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL and SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS)
GENERAL

CITY OF LOUISVILLE

CITY OF NEWARK

SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS

CITY OF AKRON

CITY OF WILMINGTON

CITY OF YOUNGSTOWN

13 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1938 Plan: 4071A Lot: 6541 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL)

LANCASTER COUNTY

PHILADELPHIA COUNTY

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1938 Plan: 4072A Lot: 6542 (Built for and assigned to LIBERTY LIMITED)

CASCADE FALLS

CASCADE PARK

12 DUPLEX SINGLE ROOM 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April - May 1938 Plan: 4066 B Lot: 6538 (Built for and assigned to Fleet of Modernism)

GENERAL

MAIDEN BROOK

MAJOR BROOK

LIBERTY LIMITED

MILL BROOK

MINERAL BROOK

MIRROR BROOK

MORNING BROOK

SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS

MAPLE BROOK

MAR BROOK

MEADOW BROOK

1 DRAWING ROOM 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM BAR 26 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4078 Lot: 6551 (Built for and assigned to Fleet of Modernism)

GENERAL

COLONIAL CONGRESS

COLONIAL FATHERS

COLONIAL GOVERNORS

COLONIAL STATESMEN

LIBERTY LIMITED

COLONIAL STAGES

COLONIAL TRAILS

SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS

COLONIAL DAMES

COLONIAL INNS

COLONIAL MANSIONS

2 MASTER ROOM 1 DOUBLE ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4080 Lot: 6548 (Built for and assigned to LIBERTY LIMITED)

FEDERAL VIEW

WASHINGTON VIEW

2 DRAWING ROOM 1 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT BUFFET 23 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4081 Lot: 6549 (Built for and assigned to SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS)

JUNIATA NARROWS

LEWISTOWN NARROWS

JACK'S NARROWS

Since the PRR was not interested in new lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars with Sections this was one of the reasons so many PRR overnight trains carried streamlined heavy-weights and heavyweights with sections. The main reason for this was the Government would only reimburse for travel in a lower berth at that time. The PRR like most railroads with service out of Washington received a great deal of Government business and was not about to lose any of it because they no longer carried Sleeping cars with sections.
Pleased with the new lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars received in 1938 the PRR immediately placed orders for additional new sleeping cars with eighteen CITY 18 roomette sleeping cars arriving in December 1938 just in time for the Christmas-New years rush.

18 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1938 Plan: 4068H Lot: 6563 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

CITY OF ALTOONA

CITY OF CAMDEN

CITY OF CANTON

CITY OF ELIZABETH

CITY OF ERIE

CITY OF FORT WAYNE

CITY OF GARY

CITY OF HARRISBURG

CITY OF JOHNSTOWN

CITY OF LANCASTER

CITY OF NEW BRUNSWICK

CITY OF NORFOLK

CITY OF READING

CITY OF TERRE HAUTE

CITY OF TRENTON

CITY OF WHEELING

CITY OF WILLIAMSPORT

CITY OF YORK

Additional new sleeping cars for operation in such trains as the PITTSBURGER and the other major overnight trains were ordered in 1938. The first new sleeping car orders began arriving in June 1939 and they were assigned to a general sleeping car pool to be assigned to the east west lines mostly between New York and Chicago but also trains between Pittsburgh - Chicago, New York - Cincinnati, Washington - Detroit and other routes. By the time the last of the prewar lightweight streamlined cars were delivered to the PRR between 1938 - 1940 they were operating 142 lightweight streamlined sleeping cars and another 60 streamlined heavy-weight sleeping cars for a total of 202. The 1939 cars listed below a majority of them went to the PITTSBURGHER the rest to general service.

12 DUPLEX SINGLE ROOM 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard June 1939 Plan: 4066B Lot: 6566 (Built for and assigned to PITTSBURGHER and General Service)

MAGIC BROOK

MANOR BROOK

MARTIN BROOK

MAY BROOK

MIDDLE BROOK

MOOR BROOK

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard June 1939 Plan: 4072B Lot: 6565 (Built for and assigned to PITTSBURGHER and General Service)

CASCADE FOREST

CASCADE GARDENS

CASCADE HILLS

CASCADE PASS

CASCADE TERRACE

CASCADE TRAILS

13 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard June - July 1939 Plan: 4071B Lot: 6572 (Built for and assigned to PITTSBURGHER and General Service)

CAMBRIA COUNTY

HAMILTON COUNTY

JEFFERSON COUNTY

LAKE COUNTY

4 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard July - August 1939 Plan: 4069D Lot: 6571 (Built for and assigned to PITTSBURGHER and General Service)

IMPERIAL CREST

IMPERIAL LAWN

IMPERIAL MANTLE

IMPERIAL PATH

IMPERIAL TRAIL

IMPERIAL VIEW

The 1940 cars were added to the general service pool and many of the main east - west streamliners were assigned several of these lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard July - August 1940 Plan: 4072C Lot: 6610 (Built for and assigned to General Service Pool)

CASCADE BAY

CASCADE BEND

CASCADE BOWER

CASCADE BRIM

CASCADE BRINK

CASCADE CANYON

CASCADE CHASM

CASCADE CLIFF

CASCADE COVE

CASCADE CRAG

CASCADE DEN

CASCADE ECHO

CASCADE GORGE

CASCADE HEIGHTS

CASCADE HOLLOW

CASCADE KNOLL

CASCADE LAKE

CASCADE LEDGE

CASCADE MANTLE

CASCADE MEADOW

CASCADE MELODY

CASCADE MIRAGE

CASCADE PEAK

CASCADE PINNACLE

CASCADE PLATEAU

CASCADE POND

CASCADE POOL

CASCADE RANGE

CASCADE RAPIDS

CASCADE RAVINE

CASCADE ROAR

CASCADE SLOPE

CASCADE TIMBER

12 DUPLEX SINGLE ROOM 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September 1940 Plan: 4066C Lot: 6611 (Built for and assigned to General Service Pool)

MARSH BROOK

MEMORY BROOK

MORROW BROOK

MYSTIC BROOK

6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BAR 20 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard September 1940 Plan: 4086A Lot: 6612 (Built for and assigned to General Service Pool)

BIRCH FALLS

CEDAR FALLS

CYPRESS FALLS

ELM FALLS

HEMLOCK FALLS

HICKORY FALLS

JUNIPER FALLS

LOCUST FALLS

MAPLE FALLS

OAK FALLS

PINE FALLS SPRUCE FALLS

SYCAMORE FALLS

How did the total of 202 lightweight and streamlined heavyweight sleeping cars compare to the other railroads streamlined sleeping car fleet at the beginning of WW II? The NYC matched the PRR with 142 lightweight stream-lined cars but they had no streamlined heavyweight sleeping cars. How did the PRR and NYC compare to the other railroads with streamlined sleeping cars at the beginning of WW II?

PRR 200, NYC 142, UP 97, AT&SF 92, SP 59, B&O 50, CRI&P 40, IC 20, C&NW 17, CB&Q 14, GM&O 5, KCS 5, ERIE 4, MP 4, C&S 3, FW&D 3, and D&RGW 2.

PRR Sleeper Lounge Observation JACK'S NARROWS built for the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS was renamed WAKE ISLAND in March 1942 for the American defenders of that small Pacific Island eventually overwhelmed by Japanese forces.
In April 1943 Pullman rebuilt the interiors of BROADWAY LIMITED 2 Double Bedroom Secretary room Barber Shop Shower Bar 28 Seat lounge Cars HARBOR POINT and HARBOR SPRINGS. They were rebuilt to 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 26 seat Lounge cars. This work was done at the request of the war department as cars with only two sleeping car spaces were either to be rebuilt with additional revenue space or stored for the duration of the war. The PRR chose the former course of action while rival NYC stored several cars for the duration.
All prewar lightweight streamlined sleeping cars built for the PRR were from a single manufacturer Pullman Standard. This would not be the case following WW II as the PRR would purchase streamlined sleeping cars from all three major manufacturers American Car & Foundry, Budd Company, and Pullman Standard.
Deliveries of postwar lightweight streamlined sleeping cars began in April 1948 and the last PRR owned lightweight streamlined sleeping car was delivered in October 1950.
But before any of the new sleeping cars arrived an event took place that many said would never come to pass, that was through transcontinental sleeping cars service. The PRR was one of the major proponents of this service and operated the greatest number of through sleeping car routes. Besides the PRR in the east the NYC and B&O also offered through sleeping car services. The railroads in the west that took part in offering through car services were the C&NW-UP-SP, CB&Q-D&RGW-WP, CRI&P-SP, and AT&SF between Chicago and the West Coast carrying through sleeping cars originating in New York, and Washington.
The first of these services began March 31, 1946 using the PRR BROADWAY and Santa Fe CHIEF. The PRR assigned three IMPERIAL series cars IMPERIAL PARK, IMPERIAL PASS and IMPERIAL POINT to the through service, all were painted two tone gray for transcontinental service. The Santa Fe assigned HUALPAI, NASLINI, TCHIREGE, and TSANKAWI. This service became even more exclusive later when the Santa Fe switched the through cars from the CHIEF to the SUPER CHIEF. Beginning in February 1954 the Santa Fe assigned six new REGAL series 4 Compartment 4 Double Bedroom 2 drawing room cars to the service replacing both the older prewar Santa Fe and PRR cars as through cars. The six REGAL series cars initially assigned were REGAL CREST, REGAL LANE, REGAL LARK, REGAL MANOR, REGAL PASS and REGAL SPA.
Another service began March 31, 1946 was the PRR - CNW-UP route to Los Angeles using the PRR GOLDEN ARROW Westbound MAHATTAN LIMITED Eastbound and the LOS ANGELES LIMITED in both directions west of Chicago. Initially operated with heavyweight VILLA and POPLAR series cars they were replaced by 10-6 sleepers in February 1950. The cars were than assigned to the UP CITY OF LOS ANGELES west of Chicago. The UP 10-6 Sleeping cars assigned were PACIFIC COVE, PACIFIC COVE, PACIFIC GARDEN, PACIFIC HEIGHTS, and PACIFIC HILLS. For there part the PRR assigned STONEY RAPIDS and TIPPECANOE RAPIDS to the through service painting both cars in UP Yellow.
On the same startup date March 31, 1946 the PRR also began operating a 12-1 heavyweight from Washington to Los Angeles as well, this car ran originally in the ADMIRAL Westbound and RAINBOW Eastbound. Later the PRR switched the car to the LIBERTY LIMITED Westbound and PENNSYLVANIA LIMITED but this car never seemed to attract the passenger loading of other through cars and was discontinued in 1949.
The last through service begun on March 31, 1946 was the one using the OVERLAND west of Chicago to San Francisco. This service alternated days between the NYC and PRR east of Chicago. Initially the service was assigned heavy-weight 10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment cars. Beginning March 1, 1950 the service was assigned 10-6 Sleeping cars. The NYC and PRR cars assigned were painted two-tone gray to match the OVERLAND. The NYC car assigned was PASSAIC RIVER and the PRR car was BUFFALO RAPIDS. The SP assigned 9037 and 9039. The three UP cars assigned were painted UP colors they were PACIFIC LODGE, PACIFIC UNION, and PACIFIC WATERS.
One day after the previously mentioned services began another San Francisco routing began using the NYC and PRR on alternate days east of Chicago and the CB&Q-D&RGW-WP route west of Chicago. Initially this service was provided using 10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment heavyweight sleeping cars. In March 1949 the western service was streamlined using a train named the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR? For their part the PRR purchased a single 10-6 sleeping car to match the other CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR cars. This car was named PRR SILVER RAPIDS. In order to provide daily through car service seven 10-6 sleeping cars were required. The CB&Q, WP and D&RGW provided two each. One of the D&RGW cars was leased to the NYC who owned no CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR cars to fulfill their obligation for one car for through service. The other cars assigned initially were CB&Q SILVER POINT and SILVER SHORE, WP SILVER BAY and SILVER SURF, and D&RGW SILVER CREEK and SILVER GLACIER.
The last through train service to the West Coast by way of Chicago began June 2, 1946 between Los Angeles and Chicago via the GOLDEN STATE operated by the CRI&P and SP. Each of the three operating roads assigned two 4-4-2 prewar streamlined sleeping cars to the service. For their part the PRR assigned IMPERIAL RANGE and IMPERIAL TERRACE. The SP assigned GOLDEN CAVERN and GOLDEN TERRACE trail while Rock Island assigned GOLDEN DIAL and GOLDEN FLEECE. In 1948 the new colors of the GOLDEN STATE became Red and Silver. The two PRR cars were repainted to match the GOLDEN STATE cars.
Another gateway to the west was opened in 1946 through St. Louis. But through service by way of St. Louis extended to Texas and Oklahoma primarily with one heavyweight car operating through to Mexico City by the MP. This service was discontinued when the MP streamlined their trains.
On July 7, 1946 the PRR and MP began joint service between New York and Houston-Galveston, New York and San Antonio, New York and El Paso, New York and Dallas, Washington and Fort Worth, and Washington and Houston. The PRR assigned a number of CASCADE series cars to these routes while other routes were initially operated with 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom, and 10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment heavyweight sleeping cars. In June 1948 the PRR repainted eleven CASCADE series 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars into the Blue and Gray of the MP for through service to Texas points. The eleven CASCADE series cars were:

CASCADE BOWER

CASCADE CLIFF

CASCADE COVE

CASCADE CRAG

CASCADE HOLLOW

CASCADE MANTLE

CASCADE MELODY

CASCADE PEAK

CASCADE PINNACLE

CASCADE POOL

CASCADE SLOPE

The PRR ordered fourteen 10-6 Sleeping cars for August - October 1950 delivery that were to be delivered painted in MP colors and assigned EAGLE names. Instead EAGLE PLAIN, EAGLE TRIBE, and EAGLE VIEW were delivered painted PRR Tuscan red with the names AMON G. CARTER, BLUE RAPIDS and BUFFALO RAPIDS respectively. American Car & Foundry delivered these cars to the PRR.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS American Car & Foundry August - October 1950 Plan: 9008 Lot: 3200 (Built for and assigned to PENN TEXAS - TEXAS EAGLE service)

8430 EAGLE BEAM

8431 EAGLE BLUFF

8432 EAGLE CHARM

8433 EAGLE CHIEF

8434 EAGLE COVE

8435 EAGLE EYE

8436 EAGLE GRAND

8437 EAGLE HEAD

8438 EAGLE OAK

8439 EAGLE PARK

8440 EAGLE PASS

(Intended for PENN TEXAS - TEXAS EAGLE Service but diverted for other services)

8441 AMON G. CARTER intended name EAGLE PLAIN

8442 BLUE RAPIDS intended name EAGLE TRIBE

8443 BUFFALO RAPIDS intended name EAGLE VIEW

On that same date July 7, 1946 the PRR began joint service with the SL-SF and KATY as well. A through New York - San Antonio 8 Section 5 Double Bedroom car began running via the TEXAS SPECIAL. Later in May 1948 the new 14-4 Sleeping cars would take over. For there part the PRR assigned CASCADE MEADOW and CASCADE RANGE to the service and painted them to match the other TEXAS SPECIAL cars complete with shadow-line striping to simulate fluted stainless steel. In October 1950 the CASCADE series cars CASCADE MEADOW and CASCADE RANGE were replaced by PRR RAPIDS series 10-6 sleeping cars SWATARA RAPIDS, and TIOGA RAPIDS. These cars remained painted Tuscan Red until 1953 when they were repainted to match the other TEXAS SPECIAL cars.
The TEXAS SPECIAL through service ended October 1, 1958.
Another service begun that July 7, 1946 was the through service to Oklahoma City via the METEOR. Initially operated with 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars the service later received PRR CASCADE series cars CASCADE BRIM and CASCADE RAVINE while for their part the SL-SF assigned 14-4 sleeping cars. This service was cut back to Tulsa and discontinued altogether in 1949.
In October 1949 the PRR and L&N inaugurated through streamlined sleeping cars between New York and Louisville, Memphis, and Nashville. The cars operated east of Cincinnati over the PRR and switched to the L&N at that point. Both the L&N and PRR assigned 10-6 sleeping cars to these services with all cars painted PRR Tuscan red. New York - Memphis Service operated with PRR cars WILL RAPIDS, SHENANGO RAPIDS, SHERMAN RAPIDS and L&N KENTUCKY RIVER. New York-Louisville service was assigned PRR TUSCARORA RAPIDS, RARITAN RAPIDS and L&N GREEN RIVER.
New York - Nashville service was operated with PRR TOWANDA RAPIDS, TURTLE RAPIDS and L&N GREEN RAPIDS. New York - Nashville service was discontinued March 1, 1954. New York - Memphis service ended July 14, 1956 and New York - Louisville service ended April 27, 1958.
The first new postwar sleeping cars delivered to the PRR were seven 21 Roomette sleeping cars delivered by American Car & Foundry in April - May 1948. These cars were assigned to replace 18 Roomette sleeping cars operated in prewar trains.

21 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CARS American Car & Foundry April - May 1948 Plan: 9010 Lot: 2981 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

VINCENNES INN

WARSAW INN

WILKESBARRE INN

WILKINSBURG INN

WOOSTER INN

XENIA INN

ZANESVILLE INN

Next was an order for fifteen IMPERIAL series 4 Compartment 2 drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom sleeping cars for assignment to the BROADWAY LIMITED. LIBERTY LIMITED GENERAL and other trains. These postwar IMPERIAL series cars differed from the prewar cars in that all rooms had private bathroom annexes.

4 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS American Car & Foundry September - December 1948 Plan: 9009 Lot: 2982 (Built for and assigned to replace prewar cars of this type in premier trains)

IMPERIAL BENCH

IMPERIAL BOWER

IMPERIAL BRINK

IMPERIAL CLIFF

IMPERIAL FIELDS

IMPERIAL HILLS

IMPERIAL LEA

IMPERIAL LOCH

IMPERIAL MEADOWS

IMPERIAL PEAK

IMPERIAL RIDGE

IMPERIAL ROAD

IMPERIAL TERRAIN

IMPERIAL TREES

IMPERIAL VALE

Pullman Standard delivered 18 10-6 sleeping cars in the new RAPIDS series between November 1948 and January 1949. This was the first order for this type car received by the PRR and would become the postwar replacement for the prewar CASCADE series 10-5 sleeping cars.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard November 1948 - January 1949 Plan: 4140 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

OCTORARO RAPIDS

RACCOON RAPIDS

RARITAN RAPIDS

SANGAMON RAPIDS

SCHUYLKILL RAPIDS

SHENANGO RAPIDS

SHERMAN RAPIDS

STONEY RAPIDS

SWATARA RAPIDS

TIOGA RAPIDS

TIPPECANOE RAPIDS

TOWANDA RAPIDS

TURTLE RAPIDS

TUSCARORA RAPIDS

WHEELING RAPIDS

WILLS RAPIDS

JUNIATA RAPIDS

MACKINAW RAPIDS

Probably the most famous four postwar cars delivered to the PRR were the two HARBOR series 3 Double Bedroom Shower Barber Shop Secretary's Room Buffet 20 Seat Lounge cars HARBOR COVE and HARBOR REST. They were delivered to the PRR in December 1948 by Pullman Standard. In January 1949 the new VIEW series Sleeper lounge Observations with the squared off tapered end were delivered MOUNTAIN VIEW and TOWER VIEW. They featured two Master Rooms as the prewar cars had but the new Bedroom in each car had private bathroom annex. There was also a Buffet and Lounge with seating for 24. These two cars were probably the two most photographed postwar cars belonging to the PRR. Both of these famous car types were built for and assigned to the postwar BROADWAY LIMITED consists.

SECRETARY ROOM SHOWER BARBER SHOP 3 DOUBLED BEDROOM BUFFET 20 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard December 1948 Plan: 4141 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to BROADWAY LIMITED)

HARBOR COVE

HARBOR REST

! DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 MASTER ROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard January 1949 Plan: 4133 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to BROADWAY LIMITED)

MOUNTAIN VIEW

TOWER VIEW

The three prewar NARROWS series sleeper Lounge Observations were assigned new names in January - February 1949 as follows.

JANUARY 1949

SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK ex PRR WAKE ISLAND originally PRR JACK'S NARROWS

FEBRUARY 1949

WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON originally PRR JUNIATA NARROWS

JOHN EDGAR THOMSON originally PRR LEWISTOWN NARROWS

One other car received a new name in April 1949 that car was the FALLS series car OAK FALLS renamed BUTTERNUT FALLS.
The largest single order for sleeping cars for the PRR following WW II were fifty 21 Roomette sleeping cars from Budd delivered between January - June 1949 These cars replaced all of the 18 Roomette prewar cars in the premier trains. These cars were all painted in the standard Tuscan Red scheme.

21 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CARS Budd Company January - June 1949 Plan: 9513 Lot: 9967-024 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

ALLIANCE INN

ANDERSON INN

ASHTABULA INN

BEAVER FALLS INN

BEDFORD INN

BRADDOCK INN

BUCYRUS INN

BUTLER INN

CAMBRIDGE INN

CARNEGIE INN

CHAMBERSBURG INN

CHESTER INN

COATESVILLE INN

COLLINSVILLE INN

COSHOCTON INN

CULVER INN

ELMIRA INN

FRANKLIN INN

GRAND RAPIDS INN

GREENSBURG INN

HAGERSTOWN INN

HAMILTON INN

JEANETTE INN

KANE INN

KOKOMO INN

LATROBE INN

LEWISTOWN INN

LIMA INN

LOCK HAVEN INN

LOGANSPORT INN

MANSFIELD INN

MARIETTA INN

MASSILLON INN

NEW CASTLE INN

NORRISTOWN INN

OLEAN INN

PETOSKEY INN

PIQUA INN

PRINCETON INN

RAVENNA INN

SALEM INN

SEWICKLEY INN

SHARON INN

STEUBENVILLE INN

SUNBURY INN

TIFFIN INN

TYRONE INN

UNIONTOWN INN

URBANA INN

VAN WERT INN

The postwar replacement for the 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom car only had 4 Double Bedrooms due to the enclosed bathroom annex's in the Double Bedrooms. The PRR was the only railroad to buy these cars postwar and assigned them to premium service trains.

12 DUPLEX SINGLE ROOM 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January - April 1949 Plan: 4130 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to premium service trains)

CABIN CREEK

CEDAR CREEK

CENTER CREEK

CHARTIERS CREEK

CHATHAM CREEK

CHERRY CREEK

CHICKIES CREEK

CHIMNEY CREEK

CHIPPEWA CREEK

CRYSTAL CREEK

CLEAR CREEK

CLIFF CREEK

CLOUD CREEK

CLUB CREEK

CLYDE CREEK

COLDWATER CREEK

COLLEGE CREEK

CONEWAGO CREEK

CONNOQUENES-SING CREEK

CONODOGUINET CREEK

COUNTRY CREEK

CRANE CREEK

CROSS CREEK

CYPRESS CREEK

The PRR purchased postwar Sleeper Lounge Observations for three of their premium service trains the CINCINNATI LIMITED, LIBERTY LIMITED and SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS. These cars with 2 Drawing Rooms 1 Compartment 1 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations were delivered by Pullman Standard in February March 1949. They were originally intended to carry NARROWS suffix names but before delivery the cars received names of noted PRR personalities.

2 DRAWING ROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 1 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard February - March 1949 Plan: 4134 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to specific trains)

CINCINNATI LIMITED

GEORGE BROOK ROBERTS intended name BRANDYWINE NARROWS

FRANK THOMSEN intended name CONEMAUGH NARROWS

LIBERTY LIMITED

THOMAS ALEXANDER SCOTT intended name ALLEGHENY NARROWS

ALEXANDER JOHNSON CASSATT intended name OHIO NARROWS

SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS

JAMES McCREA intended name POTOMAC NARROWS

SAMUEL REA intended name SCHUYLKILL NARROWS

WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY intended name SUSQUEHANNA NARROWS

Four 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars arrived from American Car & Foundry in March 1949. They were assigned to General Service.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEEPING CARS American Car & Foundry March 1949 Plan: 9008 Lot: 3079 (Built for and assigned to General service)

FRENCH RAPIDS

GENESSEE RAPIDS

GREEN RAPIDS

HURON RAPIDS

Additional 10-6 sleeping cars arrived from Pullman Standard in March - April 1949 as follows.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March - April 1949 Plan: 4129 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

CATAWISSA RAPIDS

CLARION RAPIDS

CLEARFIELD RAPIDS

CONEMAUGH RAPIDS

CONESTOGA RAPIDS

CONEWEGO RAPIDS

FISHING RAPIDS

ILLINOIS RAPIDS

CYRUS H. K. CURTIS intended name IROQUOIS RAPIDS

KALAMAZOO RAPIDS

KANKAKEE RAPIDS

KASKASKIA RAPIDS

LEHIGH RAPIDS

LITTLE MIAMI RAPIDS

MANISTEE RAPIDS

MONONGAHELA RAPIDS

MUSKEGON RAPIDS

New FALLS series 6 Double Bedroom Buffet 20 seat Lounge cars arrived from Pullman Standard between March - May 1949 for assignment to general service in such trains as the ADMIRAL etc.

6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 20 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard March - May 1949 Plan: 4131 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to secondary service trains)

ALDER FALLS

ASPEN FALLS

BALSAM FALLS

BEECH FALLS

CATALPA FALLS

FIR FALLS

LARCH FALLS

LINDEN FALLS

PALM FALLS

SASSAFRAS FALLS

SUMAC FALLS

The PRR received eight COLONIAL series 1 Drawing Room 3 Double Bedroom Buffet 27 seat Lounge cars from Pullman Standard in May-June 1949. These cars were assigned to the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS, LIBERTY LIMITED, and GENERAL.

1 DRAWING ROOM 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1949 Plan: 4132 Lot: 6792 (Built for and assigned to Premium service trains)

COLONIAL ARMS

COLONIAL CABINS

COLONIAL CRAFTS

COLONIAL DOORWAYS

COLONIAL FLAGS

COLONIAL HOUSES

COLONIAL LANTERNS

COLONIAL SCOUTS

Following WW II the decision was made that the SILVER METEOR would begin operating with lightweight streamlined sleeping cars as soon as possible. They would replace the heavyweight sleeping cars then operating in these otherwise all lightweight trains. At the same time two additional stream-liners would be instituted by the SAL the SILVER COMET between New York and Birmingham, and the SILVER STAR between New York and Florida. Each railroad that the trains operated over provided new lightweight sleeping cars for these services in proportion to the miles traveled over that road. The PRR provided six Budd built 10-6 sleeping cars to the SAL-RF&P-PRR pool of cars assigned to the SILVER METEOR etc.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd June - August 1949 Plan: 9503 Lot: 9662-025 (Built for and assigned to SAL trains)

ATHENS

BRADENTON

CHESTER

CLINTON

ELBERTON

GREENWOOD

In August 1949 PRR received a pair of 10-6 stainless steel sleeping cars from Budd they were operated for many years in Florida trains of the ACL and SAL during peak travel periods. At other times the two cars ran in general service.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company August 1949 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

SCIOTA RAPIDS

STURGEON RAPIDS

In September - October 1949 Pullman Standard delivered eight 10-6 sleeping cars to the PRR for service in SOUTHERN trains primarily the CRESCENT LIMITED a New York - New Orleans train that operated over the PRR between Washington and New York. The eight sleeping cars owned by the PRR operated in the four consists of the CRESCENT LIMITED.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September - October 1949 Plan: 4140 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CRESCENT LIMITED)
BIRCH RIVER

BUSH RIVER

DELAWARE RIVER

MIDDLE RIVER

PATAPSCO RIVER

RARITAN RIVER

SCHUYLKILL RIVER

SUSQUEHANNA RIVER

In September - October 1949 the PRR received eight sleeping cars for service in ACL trains to and from Florida. Six of the cars were 10-6 sleeping cars and the other two were 21 Roomette sleeping cars. They were built for assignment to the winter only FLORIDA SPECIAL and year round WEST COAST CHAMPION and summers assigned to the EAST COAST CHAMPIONS as well.

21 ROOMETTE SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September - October 1949 Plan: 4156A Lot: 6809 (Built for and assigned to FLORIDA SPECIAL, EAST COAST CHAMPION, and WEST COAST CHAMPION)

GOVERNORS ISLAND

STATEN ISLAND

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard October 1949 Plan: 4140 Lot: 6809 (Built for and assigned to FLORIDA SPECIAL, WEST COAST CHAMPION, and EAST COAST CHAMPION)

BALTIMORE COUNTY

BUCKS COUNTY

CHESTER COUNTY

DELAWARE COUNTY

HUDSON COUNTY

UNION COUNTY

In February - March 1950 two 14 roomette 2 Drawing Room cars arrived from American Car & foundry for service in the FLORIDA SPECIAL and EAST COAST CHAMPION. These two sleeping cars were the last Florida assigned cars delivered to the PRR.

14 ROOMETTE 2 DRAWING ROOM SLEEPING CARS American Car & Foundry February - March 1950 Plan: 9006 Lot: 3098 (Built for and assigned to FLORIDA SPECIAL - EAST COAST CHAMPION)

ANACOSTIA RIVER

HACKENSACK RIVER

The PRR received five 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars in 1950 in two different lots from American Car & Foundry at that would be the last new sleeping cars ever purchased by the PRR.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS American Car & Foundry September - October 1950 Plan: 9008 Lot: 3200 (Built for and assigned to General Service)
ALLEGHENY RAPIDS
MISSISSIPPI RAPIDS
OHIO RAPIDS
PENNS RAPIDS

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR American Car & Foundry October 1950 Plan: 9008 Lot: 3212 (Built for and assigned to General Service)
MAHONING RAPIDS

The following postwar lightweight streamlined sleeping cars are known to have been assigned to the BROADWAY LIMITED.

GRAND RAPIDS INN

MASSILON INN

RAVENNA INN

SHARON INN

SHUYLKILL RAPIDS

CATAWISSA RAPIDS

CLARION RAPIDS

CLEARFIELD RAPIDS

CONEMAUGH RAPIDS

LITTLE MIAMI RAPIDS

MANISTEE RAPIDS

CABIN CREEK

COLLEGE CREEK

IMPERIAL BOWERS

IMPERIAL FIELDS

IMPERIAL TERRAIN

IMPERIAL TREES

The PRR assigned the older prewar sleeping cars to such trains SOUTHLAND, PENN TEXAS, MANHATTAN LIMITED, CLEVELANDER, STATESMEN, AMERICAN, DETROIT EXPRESS, OHION, DOMINION EXPRESS, PITTSBURGH NIGHT EXPRESS, PHILADELPHIA NIGHT EXPRESS, RED ARROW NORTHERN ARROW, and GOLDEN TRIANGLE.
The PRR assigned the postwar sleeping cars to BROADWAY LIMITED, SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS, CINCINNATI LIMITED, PITTSBURGHER, LIBERTY LIMITED, GENERAL, GOLDEN TRIANGLE, and ST. LOUISIAN. Many of the trains mentioned above operated with both postwar and prewar sleeping cars. There were still other overnight trains on the PRR that were assigned heavyweight sleeping cars right through the 1950's.
Beginning in 1950 the PRR assigned 8000 series numbers to Sleeping cars for accounting purposes but the cars never actually wore the numbers. The sleeping cars are divided by prewar sleeping cars and postwar sleeping cars just as the PRR numbering system divided them.

Prewar Sleeping Cars

8000 ALLEGHENY COUNTY

8001 CAMBRIA COUNTY

8002 HAMILTON COUNTY

8003 JEFFERSON COUNTY

8004 LAKE COUNTY

8005 LANCASTER COUNTY

8006 NEW YORK COUNTY

8007 PHILADELPHIA COUNTY

8008 IMPERIAL CREST

8009 IMPERIAL LAWN

8010 IMPERIAL MANTLE

8011 IMPERIAL PARK

8012 IMPERIAL PASS

8013 IMPERIAL PATH

8014 IMPERIAL PLATEAU

8015 IMPERIAL POINT

8016 IMPERIAL RANGE

8017 IMPERIAL TERRACE

8018 IMPERIAL TRAIL

8019 IMPERIAL VIEW

8020 MAJIC BROOK

8021 MAIDEN BROOK

8022 MAJOR BROOK

8023 MANOR BROOK

8024 MAPLE BROOK

8025 MAR BROOK

8026 MARSH BROOK

8027 MARTIN BROOK

8028 MAY BROOK

8029 MEADOW BROOK

8030 MEMORY BROOK

8031 MIDDLE BROOK

8032 MILL BROOK

8033 MINERAL BROOK

8034 MIRROR BROOK

8035 MOOR BROOK

8036 MORNING BROOK

8037 MORROW BROOK

8038 MYSTIC BROOK

8039 CITY OF AKRON

8040 CITY OF ALTOONA

8041 CITY OF BALTIMORE

8042 CITY OF CAMDEN

8043 CITY OF CANTON

8044 CITY OF CINCINNATI

8045 CITY OF COLUMBUS

8046 CITY OF ELIZABETH

8047 CITY OF ERIE

8048 CITY OF FORT WAYNE

8049 CITY OF GARY

8050 CITY OF HARRISBURG

8051 CITY OF JOHNSTOWN

8052 CITY OF LANCASTER

8053 CITY OF LOUISVILLE

8054 CITY OF NEWARK

8055 CITY OF NEW BRUNSWICK

8056 CITY OF NEW YORK

8057 CITY OF NORFOLK

8058 CITY OF PHILADELPHIA

8059 CITY OF PITTSBURGH

8060 CITY OF READING

8061 CITY OF ST. LOUIS

8062 CITY OF TERRE HAUTE

8063 CITY OF TRENTON

8064 CITY OFWASHINGTON

8065 CITY OF WHEELING

8066 CITY OF WILLIAMSPORT

8067 CITY OF WILMINGTON

8068 CITY OF YORK

8069 CITY OF YOUNGSTOWN

8070 CASCADE BAY

8071 CASCADE BEND

8072 CASCADE BOWER

8073 CASCADE BRIM

8074 CASCADE BRINK

8075 CASCADE CANYON

8076 CASCADE CHASM

8077 CASCADE CLIFF

8078 CASCADE COVE

8079 CASCADE CRAG

8080 CASCADE DEN

8081 CASCADE ECHO

8082 CASCADE FALLS

8083 CASCADE FOREST

8084 CASCADE GARDENS

8085 CASCADE GORGE

8086 CASCADE HEIGHTS

8087 CASCADE HILLS

8088 CASCADEHOLLOW

8089 CASCADE KNOLL

8090 CASCADE LAKE

8091 CASCADE LEDGE

8092 CASCADE MANTLE

8093 CASCADE MEADOW

8094 CASCADE MELODY

8095 CASCADE MIRAGE

8096 CASCADE PARK

8097 CASCADE PASS

8098 CASCADE PEAK

8099 CASCADE PINNACLE

8100 CASCADE PLATEAU

8101 CASCADE POND

8102 CASCADE POOL

8103 CASCADE RANGE

8104 CASCADE RAPIDS

8105 CASCADE RAVINE

8106 CASCADE ROAR

8107 CASCADE SLOPE

8108 CASCADE TERRACE

8109 CASCADE TIMBER

8110 CASCADE TRAILS

8111 WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON

8112 JOHN EDGAR THOMSON

8113 SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK

8114 FEDERAL VIEW

8115 METROPOLITAN VIEW

8116 SKYLINE VIEW

8117 WASHINGTON VIEW

8118 HARBOR POINT

8119 HARBOR SPRINGS

8120 COLONIAL CONGRESS

8121 COLONIAL DAMES

8122 COLONIAL FATHERS

8123 COLONIAL GOVERNORS

8124 COLONIAL INNS

8125 COLONIAL MANSIONS

8126 COLONIAL STAGES

8127 COLONIAL STATESMEN

8128 COLONIAL TRAILS

8129 BIRCH FALLS

8130 CEDAR FALLS

8131 CYPRESS FALLS

8132 ELM FALLS

8133 HEMLOCK FALLS

8134 HICKORY FALLS

8135 JUNIPER FALLS

8136 LOCUST FALLS

8137 MAPLE FALLS

8138 BUTTERNUT FALLS

8139 PINE FALLS

8140 SPRUCE FALLS

8141 SYCAMORE FALLS


POSTWAR PRR STREAMLINED SLEEPING CARS

8241 ALLIANCE INN

8242 ANDERSON INN

8243 ASHTABULA INN

8244 BEAVER FALLS INN

8245 BEDFORD INN

8246 BRADDOCK INN

8247 BUCYRUS INN

8248 BUTLER INN

8249 CAMBRIDGE INN

8250 CARNEGIE INN

8251 CHAMBERSBURG INN

8252 CHESTER INN

8253 COATESVILLE INN

8254 COLLINSVILLE INN

8255 COSHOCTON INN

8256 CULVER INN

8257 ELMIRA INN

8258 FRANKLIN INN

8259 GRAND RAPIDS INN

8260 GREENSBURG INN

8261 HAGERSTOWN INN

8262 HAMILTON INN

8263 JEANETTE INN

8264 CINCINNATI INN

8265 KOKOMO INN

8266 LATROBE INN

8267 LEWISTOWN INN

8268 LIMA INN

8269 LOCKHAVEN INN

8270 LOGANSPORT INN

8271 MANSFIELD INN

8272 MARIETTA INN

8273 MASSILON INN

8274 NEW CASTLE INN

8275 NORRISTOWN INN

8276 OLEAN INN

8277 PETOSKEY INN

8278 PIQUA INN

8279 PRINCETON INN

8280 RAVENNA INN

8282 SALEM INN

8283 SHARON INN

8284 STEUBENVILLE INN

8285 SUNBURY INN

8286 TIFFIN INN

8287 TYRONE INN

8288 UNIONTOWN INN

8289 URBANA INN

8290 VAN WERT INN

8291 VINCENNES INN

8292 WARSAW INN

8293 WILKES BARRE INN

8294 WILKINSBURG INN

8295 WOOSTER INN

8296 XENIA INN

8297 ZANESVILLE INN

8298 GOVERNORS ISLAND

8299 STATEN ISLAND

8300 CATAWISSA RAPIDS

8301 CLARION RAPIDS

8302 CLEARFIELD RAPIDS

8303 CONEMAUGH RAPIDS

8304 CONESTOGA RAPIDS

8305 CONEWAGO RAPIDS

8306 FISHING RAPIDS

8307 ILLINOIS RAPIDS

8308 CYRUS H. K. CURTIS

8309 KALAMAZOO RAPIDS

8310 KANKAKEE RAPIDS

8311 KASKASKIA RAPIDS

8312 LEHIGH RAPIDS

8313 LITTLE MIAMI RAPIDS

8314 MANISTEE RAPIDS

8315 MONONGAHELA RAPIDS

8316 MUSKEGON RAPIDS

8317 OCTORARO RAPIDS

8318 RACCOON RAPIDS

8319 RARITAN RAPIDS

8320 SANGAMON RAPIDS

8321 SCHUYLKILL RAPIDS

8322 SHENANGO RAPIDS

8323 SHERMAN RAPIDS

8324 STONEY RAPIDS

8325 SWATARA RAPIDS

8326 TIOGA RAPIDS

8327 TIPPECANOE RAPIDS

8328 TOWANDA RAPIDS

8329 TURTLE RAPIDS

8330 TUSCARORA RAPIDS

8331 WHEELING RAPIDS

8332 WILLS RAPIDS

8333 ATHENS

8334 BRADENTON

8335 CHESTER

8336 CLINTON

8337 ELBERTON

8338 GREENWOOD

8339 FRENCH RAPIDS

8340 GENESEE RAPIDS

8341 GREEN RAPIDS

8342 HURON RAPIDS

8343 JUNIATA RAPIDS

8344 MACKINAW RAPIDS

8345 CHESTER COUNTY

8346 BALTIMORE COUNTY

8347 BUCKS COUNTY

8348 DELAWARE COUNTY

8349 UNION COUNT

8350 HUDSON COUNTY

8351 BIRCH RIVER

8352 BUSH RIVER

8353 DELAWARE RIVER

8354 MIDDLE RIVER

8355 PATAPSCO RIVER

8356 RARITAN RIVER

8357 SCHUYLKILL RIVER

8358 SUSQUEHANNA RIVER

8359 ANACOSTIA RIVER

8360 HACKENSACK RIVER

8361 CABIN CREEK

8362 CEDAR CREEK

8363 CENTER CREEK

8364 CHARTIERS CREEK

8365 CHATHAM CREEK

8366 CHERRY CREEK

8367 CHICKIES CREEK

8368 CHIMNEY CREEK

8369 CHIPPEWA CREEK

8370 CRYSTAL CREEK

8371 CLEAR CREEK

8372 CLIFF CREEK

8373 CLOUD CREEK

8374 CLUB CREEK

8375 CLYDE CREEK

8376 COLDWATER CREEK

8377 COLLEGE CREEK

8378 CONEWAGO CREEK

8379 CONNOQUENES-SING CREEK

8380 CONODOGUINET CREEK

8381 COUNTRY CREEK

8382 CRANE CREEK

8383 CROSS CREEK

8384 CYPRESS CREEK

8385 IMPERIAL BENCH

8386 IMPERIAL BOWER

8387 IMPERIAL BRINK

8388 IMPERIAL CLIFF

8389 IMPERIAL FIELDS

8390 IMPERIAL HILLS

8391 IMPERIAL LEA

8892 IMPERIAL LOCH

8393 IMPERIAL MEADOWS

8394 IMPERIAL PEAK

8395 IMPERIAL RIDGE

8396 IMPERIAL ROAD

8397 IMPERIAL TERRAIN

8398 IMPERIAL TREES

8399 IMPERIAL VALE

8400 ALDER FALLS

8401 ASPEN FALLS

8402 BALSAM FALLS

8403 BEECH FALLS

8404 CATALPA FALLS

8405 FIR FALLS

8406 LARCH FALLS

8407 LINDEN FALLS

8408 PALM FALLS

8409 SASSAFRAS FALLS

8410 SUMAC FALLS

8411 COLONIAL CABINS

8412 COLONIAL CRAFTS

8413 COLONIAL FLAGS

8414 COLONIAL ARMS

8415 COLONIAL HOUSES

8416 COLONIAL DOORWAYS

8417 COLONIAL LANTERNS

8418 COLONIAL SCOUTS

8419 MOUNTAIN VIEW

8420 TOWER VIEW

8421 THOMAS ALEXANDER SCOTT

8422 GEORGE BROOK ROBERTS

8423 FRANK THOMSEN

8424 ALEXANDER JOHNSTON CASSATT

8425 JAMES McCREA

8426 SAMUEL REA

8427 WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY

8428 HARBOR COVE

8429 HARBOR REST

8430 EAGLE BEAM

8431 EAGLE BLUFF

8432 EAGLE CHARM

8433 EAGLE CHIEF

8434 EAGLE COVE

8435 EAGLE EYE

8436 EAGLE GRAND

8437 EAGLE HEAD

8438 EAGLE OAK

8439 EAGLE PARK

8440 EAGLE PASS

8441 AMON G. CARTER

8442 BLUE RAPIDS

8443 BUFFALO RAPIDS

8444 ALLEGHENY RAPIDS

8445 MISSISSIPPI RAPIDS

8446 OHIO RAPIDS

8447 PENNS RAPIDS

8448 MAHONING RAPIDS

8449 SILVER RAPIDS

8451 SCIOTA RAPIDS

8452 STURGEON RAPIDS

The PRR prewar sleeper lounge observation 8113 SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK was repainted UP colors in April 1952 and assigned to one of the CITY OF LOS ANGELES train sets. It remained operating in this capacity until April 1955 when the UP received the new Dome Lounge Observations. At that time the 8113 SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK was repainted PRR Tuscan red and returned to the PRR.
Beginning in August 1955 the PRR began a renaming program for certain sleeping cars. The names selected were for businessmen and moguls of industry with certain of the names having regional overtones. In 1956 a number of sleeping cars renamed were assigned to the overnight all Pullman PITTSBURGHER, those cars will be identified as such. Other cars were repainted PRR Tuscan Red before renaming in the case of the former EAGLE prefix 10-6 sleeping cars that had operated as through cars in cooperation with the MP and T&P in the PENN TEXAS/TEXAS EAGLE. After the service ended the PRR assigned the cars to general service and did not seem anxious to repaint them at that time. Several of the cars after renaming received a second new name within a couple of months of the first renaming. Those cars renamed for assignment to the PITTSBURGHER are designated as such by the name being underlined.

AUGUST 1955

8416 NICHOLAS FIRESTONE originally 8416 COLONIAL DOORWAYS

APRIL 1956

8442 FAIRLESS HILLS originally 8442 BLUE RAPIDS

JULY 1956

8322 SAMUEL M. KIER originally 8322 SHENANGO RAPIDS

8365 HUGH HENRY BRECKENRIDGE originally 8365 CHATHAM CREEK

AUGUST 1956

8241 JACOB J. VANDERGRIFT originally 8241 ALLIANCE INN

8246 PETER SHOENBERGER originally 8246 BRADDOCK INN

8247 HENRY S. SPANG originally 8247 BUCYRUS INN

8252 WILLIAM THAW originally 8252 CHESTER INN

8287 JAMES HAY REED originally 8287 TYRONE INN

8323 JAMES O'HARA originally 8323 SHERMAN RAPIDS

8329 HENRY W. OLIVER originally 8329 TURTLE RAPIDS

8372 CHARLES LOCKHART originally 8372 CLIFF CREEK

8380 BENJAMIN BAKEWELL originally 8380 CONODOGUINET CREEK

8387 H.J. HEINZ originally 8387 IMPERIAL BRINK

8388 B.F.JONES originally 8388 IMPERIAL CLIFF

8407 HENRY PHIPPS originally 8407 LINDEN FALLS

SEPTEMBER 1956

8278 JEFFERY SCAIFE originally 8278 PIQUA INN

8287 B.F.JONES ex 8287 JAMES HAYE REED originally 8287 TYRONE INN

8319 ALEXANDER M. BYERS originally 8319 RARITAN RAPIDS

8328 JOHN PITCAIRN originally 8328 TOWANDA RAPIDS

8330 JAMES PARK originally 8330 TUSCARORA RAPIDS

8373 ALFRED HUNT originally 8373 CLOUD CREEK

8387 ANDREW W. MELLON ex 8387 H.J.HEINZ originally 8387 IMPERIAL BRINK

8388 RICHARD BEATTY MELLON ex 8388 B.F.JONES originally 8388 IMPERIAL CLIFF

8405 CHARLES MICHAEL SCHWAB ORIGINALLY 8405 FIR FALLS

OCTOBER 1956

8328 H.J.HEINZ ex 8328 JOHN PITCAIRN originally 8328 TOWANDA RAPIDS

8373 ALFRED E. HUNT ex 8373 ALFRED HUNT originally 8373 CLOUD CREEK

8381 JOSEPH HORNE originally 8381 COUNTRY CREEK

8384 HENRY CLAY FRICK originally 8384 CYPRESS CREEK

NOVEMBER 1956

8035 JAMES HAY REED originally 8035 MOOR BROOK

8259 E.T.WEIR originally 8259 GRAND RAPID INN

8268 JOHN PITCAIRN originally 8268 LIMA INN

8362 AUGUST A. BUSCH originally 8362 CEDAR CREEK

DECEMBER 1956

8330 JAMES PARK JR. ex 8330 JAMES PARK originally 8330 TUSCARORA RAPIDS

JUNE 1957

8076 GEORGE WESTINGHOUSE originally 8076 CASCADE CHASM

OCTOBER 1962

8431 LOYALHANNA RAPIDS originally EAGLE BLUFF


MARCH 1963

8437 DELAWARE RAPIDS originally 8437 EAGLE HEAD

JANUARY 1964

8430 LIGONIER RAPIDS originally 8430 EAGLE BEAM

8433 PARK RAPIDS originally 8433 EAGLE CHIEF

APRIL 1964

8434 LOYALSOCK RAPIDS originally 8434 EAGLE COVE

8438 BRANDYWINE RAPIDS originally 8438 EAGLE OAK

JUNE 1964

8435 DAYTON RAPIDS originally 8435 EAGLE EYE

JULY 1964

8440 LYCOMING RAPIDS originally 8440 EAGLE PASS

DECEMBER 1964

8436 WISSAHICKON RAPIDS originally 8436 EAGLE GRAND

FEBRUARY 1965

8432 PERKIOMEN RAPIDS originally 8432 EAGLE CHARM

JUNE 1965

8439 HUNTINGDON RAPIDS originally 8439 EAGLE PARK

Pullman in Buffalo rebuilt BROADWAY LIMITED car 8428 HARBOR COVE to a 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 20 Seat lounge Car in January 1956. One month later the same rebuilding took place to 8429 HARBOR COVE. The two cars returned to the BROADWAY LIMITED after rebuilding.
The Union Pacific's CITY OF DENVER was already having a tough time competing with the CB&Q DENVER ZEPHYR when that road announced all new DENVER ZEPHYRS for the fall of 1956. The information of most concern about the new DENVER ZEPHYRS for the Union Pacific was the announcement of the Slumbercoach to these new trains. Here was overnight private room sleeping with bathroom facilities available for coach charge plus a small room charge, no longer would it be necessary to upgrade to first class.
The same month the new DENVER ZEPHYRS entered service the UP leased two 21 Roomette sleeping cars from the PRR 8245 BEDFORD INN and 8253 COATESVILLE INN and repainted them UP colors for Slumbercoach service in the CITY OF DENVER. The UP sold the space in these cars at the same rate as the CB&Q Slumbercoaches. The UP passengers were getting a real bargain when compared to the CB&Q Slumbercoaches. Unfortunately the Slumbercoach carried forty passengers per trip and the 21 Roomette sleeping cars just over half that number. Finally in December 1956 the CB&Q added a second Slumbercoach to the DENVER ZEPHYRS and UP could see that the 21 Roomette cars were no competition. The two cars were returned to the PRR in April 1957 after repainting in PRR Tuscan Red, another noble experiment gone by the wayside.
In 1957 the PRR removed several sleeper Lounge Observations from Pullman lease and designated the cars parlor cars for service in Northeast corridor trains with no change in the interiors taking place. All cars were assigned a 7100 series number for Parlor car operation.

JANUARY 1957

7150 SKYLINE VIEW originally 8116 SKYLINE VIEW

7151 WASHINGTON VIEW originally 8117 WASHINGTON VIEW

APRIL 1957

7152 WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON originally 8111 WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON

7153 SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK originally 8113 SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK

NOVEMBER 1957

7154 ALEXANDER JOHNSTON CASSATT originally 8424 ALEXANDER JOHNSTON CASSATT

7155 WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY originally 8427 WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY

7156 FRANK THOMSON originally 8423 FRANK THOMSON

7157 JAMES McCREA originally 8425 JAMES McCREA

7158 GEORGE BROOKE ROBERTS originally 8422 GEORGE BROOKE ROBERTS

The 7150 - 7153 were retired and sold by January 1962 while the 7154-7158 reverted to their original 8400 series numbers and returned to Pullman lease in June 1958.
In February 1959 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping car 8337 ELBERTON was extensively damaged by a fire that originated in the cars electrical cabinet. At least four of the cars Roomettes were extensively damaged in the fire that occurred while operating in the SILVER METEOR. The PRR made a decision to rebuild the car as an eleven double bedroom car and transfer it to every other day service in one of the BROADWAY LIMITED consists. The 8337 ELBERTON was rebuilt by PRR shops in June 1959 with Bedrooms supplied by Budd in a knocked down kit. It was hoped the original six bedrooms the car was built with could be reused and all that would be necessary would be cleaning. After removal the damage to the entire car exterior was realized and the ventilation system needed to be completely replaced as well. It is doubtful if the car would have been rebuilt if the extent of the damage had been known before rebuilding commenced.
The PRR was finding less and less assignments suitable for the all Roomette sleeping cars from before the war and after the war. The PRR was never one for purchasing many streamlined dormitory cars other than the twin unit dining cars that featured one half of the twin combinations as Crew Dormitory - Kitchen space. Many railroads were to designate sleeping cars of differing types as Crew Dormitory cars by simply changing the number of the car to one that denoted a non-revenue producing car. The following is a list of those 18 Roomette sleeping cars designated as crew dormitory cars.

December 1961

7996 originally PRR 8039 CITY OF AKRON

January 1962

7997 originally PRR 8050 CITY OF HARRISBURG

7998 originally PRR 8051 CITY OF JOHNSTOWN

February 1962

8059 originally PRR 8052 CITY OF PITTSBURGH

The two 21 Roomette sleeping cars assigned to Crew Dormitory duties were the two ISLAND series cars built to operate in ACL trains to Florida. After the all roomette sleepers were withdrawn the PRR assigned there two to the SOUTH WIND as Crew Dormitory cars and in winter months they operated in the FLORIDA SPECIAL pool of cars.

AUGUST 1964

7994 originally PRR 8298 GOVERNORS ISLAND

7995 originally PRR 8299 STATEN ISLAND

The PRR repainted six IMPERIAL series 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom sleeping cars silver in October 1962 for assignment to that winters FLORIDA SPECIAL. Six IMPERIAL series cars meant that two of these deluxe accommodation sleeping cars were assigned to each of the three consists necessary for daily operation.

8011 IMPERIAL PARK

8012 IMPERIAL PASS

8014 IMPERIAL PLATEAU

8015 IMPERIAL POINT

8016 IMPERIAL RANGE

8017 IMPERIAL TERRACE

Many railroads in the early 1960's were finding passenger growth in Coaches but a steady decline in sleeping car space was taking place at the same time. Many streamlined sleeping cars were being retired and sold to the NdeM or in some cases scrapped. Other railroads chose to rebuild sleeping cars into coaches in order to accommodate the growth at less cost than buying new coaches. Few of these rebuilding occurred to prewar sleeping cars but significant numbers of postwar sleeping cars were rebuilt to coaches and other type cars. It was cheaper to rebuild good cars than scrap those cars for the little return on scrap metal in those days.
The PRR retired all fifty of the Budd built 21 Roomette INN series sleeping cars in August 1963 and sent them to Altoona for rebuilding. Forty-eight of the cars were rebuilt to 76 revenue seat coaches and two were rebuilt to 70 revenue seat coaches with a snack bar. They were then assigned 1500 series numbers 1500-1547 straight coaches and 1548, 1549 were the snack bar coaches. They were not rebuilt in any particular order and all were assigned to Corridor service trains.

September 1963

1500 originally PRR 8250 CARNEGIE INN

1501 originally PRR 8273 MASSILON INN

1502 originally PRR 8279 PRINCETON INN

1505 originally 8267 LEWISTOWN INN

October 1963

1503 ex PRR 8241 JACOB J. VANDERGRIFT originally PRR 8241 ALLIANCE INN

1504 originally PRR 8286 TIFFIN INN

1506 originally PRR 8263 JEANETTE INN

1507 originally PRR 8244 BEAVER FALLS INN

1508 originally PRR 8254 COLLINSVILLE INN

1509 ex PRR 8246 PETER SCHOENBERGER originally PRR 8246 BRADDOCK INN

1510 originally PRR 8281 SALEM INN

1511 originally PRR 8277 PETOSKEY INN

1512 ex PRR 8268 JOHN PITCAIRN originally PRR 8268 LIMA INN

1513 originally PRR 8275 NORRISTOWN INN

1514 originally PRR 8257 ELMIRA INN

1515 ex PRR 8278 JEFFERY SCAIFE originally PRR 8278 PIQUA INN

1517 originally PRR 8265 KOKOMO INN

1518 ex PRR 8259 E. T. WEIR originally PRR 8259 GRAND RAPIDS INN

1520 originally PRR 8290 VAN WERT INN

1521 originally PRR 8283 SHARON INN

1522 ex PRR 8264 CINCINNATI INN originally PRR 8264 KANE INN

1523 originally PRR 8245 BEDFORD INN

1524 ex PRR 8287 JAMES HAY REED ex PRR 8287 B. F. JONES originally PRR 8287 TYRONE INN

1525 originally PRR 8269 LOCK HAVEN INN

1526 originally PRR 8261 HAGERSTOWN INN

1527 originally PRR 8253 COATESVILLE INN

1528 originally PRR 8284 STEUBENVILLE INN

November 1963

1516 ex PRR 8247 HENRY S. SPANG originally PRR 8247 BUCYRUS INN

1519 originally PRR 8262 HAMILTON INN

1529 originally PRR 8266 LATROBE INN

1530 originally PRR 8272 MARIETTA INN

1531 originally PRR 8280 RAVENNA INN

1532 originally PRR 8276 OLEAN INN

1533 originally PRR 8255 COSHOCTON INN

1534 originally PRR 8256 CULVER INN

1535 originally PRR 8282 SEWICKLEY INN

1536 originally PRR 8243 ASHTABULA INN

1537 originally PRR 8258 FRANKLIN INN

1538 originally PRR 8270 LOGANSPORT INN

1539 originally PRR 8274 NEW CASTLE INN

1540 originally PRR 8260 GREENSBURG INN

1541 originally PRR 8242 ANDERSON INN

1542 originally PRR 8271 MANSFIELD INN

1543 originally PRR 8289 URBANA INN

1544 originally PRR 8251 CHAMBERSBURG INN

1545 originally PRR 8248 BUTLER INN

1546 ex PRR 8252 WILLIAM THAW originally PRR 8252 CHESTER INN

1547 originally PRR 8249 CAMBRIDGE INN

1548 originally PRR 8285 SUNBURY INN

1549 originally PRR 8288 UNIONTOWN INN

In 1964 the PRR was again in need of additional parlor car space and the simplest solution was to designate eight postwar COLONIAL series 3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 27 seat Lounge cars by simply assigning 7100 series numbers. It is believed the doors to the Bedrooms and Drawing Room were removed while the cars were in this service as follows.

May 1964

7148 originally PRR 8411 COLONIAL CABINS

7149 originally PRR 8412 COLONIAL CRAFTS

7150 originally PRR 8413 COLONIAL FLAGS

7151 originally PRR 8414 COLONIAL ARMS

7152 originally PRR 8415 COLONIAL HOUSES

7153 originally PRR 8416 NICHOLAS FIRESTONE originally PRR 8416 COLONIAL DOORWAYS

7154 originally PRR 8417 COLONIAL LANTERNS

June 1964

7155 originally PRR 8418 COLONIAL SCOUTS

At the same time as the COLONIAL series cars became designated Parlor cars in 1964 the PRR designated three prewar FALLS series 6 Double Bedroom Bar 20 seat Lounge cars to be Parlor Cars. These cars were assigned to the Northeast Corridor trains between New York and Washington.
One year later in May 1965 the PRR designated an additional four FALLS series 6 Double Bedroom Bar 20 seat Lounge Cars to be Parlor cars assigning 7100 series numbers.

MAY 1964

7156 originally PRR 8132 ELM FALLS

7157 originally PRR 8134 HICKORY FALLS

7158 originally PRR 8141 SYCAMORE FALLS

MAY 1965

7159 originally PRR 8129 BIRCH FALLS

7160 originally PRR 8138 BUTTERNUT FALLS

7161 originally PRR 8131 CYPRESS FALLS

7162 originally PRR 8136 LOCUST FALLS

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, February 3, 2006 6:42 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and maybe one of the crumpets from the Mentor Bakery.

Tom truly enjoyed the latest coipy of the Mentor Gazette. Even my better half got a laugh out of the classes felt I should be attending most of them.

Congratulations to BK for elevation to Order of Stools.

Nice to have Rob back

I see the regulars also dropped in yesterday Lars, Nick and Peter.

Just had time to glance at colums yesterday as the tax rush is now in full swing. Not sure how long I will be able to continue the STREAMLINER Corner until after tax season ends.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 55

BROADWAY LIMITED PRR Trains 28-29 September 15, 1948 New York – Chicago All Pullman daily overnight 907 miles 16 hours

The PRR answered the challenge of the new 1948 20th CENTURY LIMITED with new postwar BROADWAY LIMITED trains on the same date as the chief rivals new premier trains began service September 15, 1948. The new BROADWAY LIMITED still offered Master Rooms one of only two postwar railroads to offer this the most deluxe of all railroad sleeping car space, the other railroad offering Master Rooms after WW II was the Southern in there CRESCENT LIMITED. The new postwar BROADWAY LIMITED was assigned A-B-A sets of EMD E7 units for power the additional 2,000 HP over the NYC 20TH CENTURY LIMITED necessary to maintain the fast sixteen hour schedule over the mountainous regions of Pennsylvania.

5881A EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5864B EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

5883A EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

6507 Baggage 30’ Railway Post office Car

RAVENNA INN 21- Roomette Sleeping Car

CABIN CREEK 12- Duplex Single Room 4- Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

MANISTEE RAPIDS 10- Roomette 6- Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SCHUYLKILL RAPIDS 10- Roomette 6- Double bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL BOWER 4- Compartment 2- Drawing Room 4- Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

HARBOR REST 3- Double Bedroom Barber Shop Shower Secretary Room Buffet 20- Seat Lounge Car

4600 ½- Twin Unit Dining Set containing 68- Seat Dining Room

4601 ½- Twin Unit Dining Set Containing Kitchen 21- Crew Dormitory

IMPERIAL FIELDS 4- Compartment 2- Drawing Room 4- Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CLEARFIELD RAPIDS 10- Roomette 6- Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CONEMAUGH RAPIDS 10- Roomette 6- Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TOWER VIEW 1- Double Bedroom 2- Master Rooms Buffet 25- Seat Lounge Observation

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, February 3, 2006 5:27 AM


FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good morning! The pastry case is chock full of goodies from The Mentor Village Bakery and the menu board features our <traditional> and <light> breakfasts. So, fill up a cuppa Joe and start the day with us![tup]


Daily Wisdom

It gets late early out there.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Watch for The Mentor Village Gazette Today!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 05:21:44 (236) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 06:28:05 (236) Streamliner #54 – Daylight Speedliner

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 08:12:33 (236) The Mentor Village Gazette

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 10:25:39 (236) Gazette comments


(5) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 12:23:14 (236) Noon report

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 15:13:21 (236) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 15:19:46 (236) for: Nick

(8) pwolfe Pete Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 16:11:35 (236) Inclusive Post, etc.,

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 16:35:32 (236) for Pete

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 17:10:36 (236) etc.

(11) bjdukert Duke Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 18:09:18 (236) Long time, no see!

(12) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 18:27:29 (236) PM check-in!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 21:15:37 (236) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 23:06:56 (236) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Feb 2006, 23:16:52 (236) Classic Juice #10



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features beginning Monday, January 30th!

. . . January 30th thru February 4th: Oh, Mr. Porter! (British - 1937) starring Will Hay, Moore Marriott & Graham Moffitt – and – Shadow of a Doubt (1943) starring Teresa Wright, Joseph Cotten & Macdonald Carey.

Coming attractions!

. . . Sunday, February 5th thru 11th: The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James – and – Breakheart Pass (1975) starring Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson & Richard Crenna.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, February 2, 2006 11:16 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! Okay encore of the safety car Classic Juice number 10 originally appearing on page 162 . A long read but one I;m fairly proud of. Enjoy again.[;)][:)]

Rob




QUOTE:
Okay Classic Juice #10

The changes in car design and crewing and the comming of the safety car'

A lot of you will remember the Saftey car or the Birney from your own cities systems. Next to the Witt Birney's were likely the most common streetcar type out there, with most major and alot of the minor systems operating them,they came in two main forms the single or double truck models. They were designed for singleman operation as well, hence the safety car moniker.

First a bit of run up back history to the avant of the one man car.

To the uninitiated,the general appearance of trolley'sappearse tio have chaged little before the 1930's. One however can find many subtle changes beginning in the 20's. Monitor roofs , with their small openable clerestry windows, gave way to the arched roof with ventilators around 1910. Rear plateforms were enlarged for the new Pay as you enter PAYE fare system , and doors started to appear more commonly in the centre when Paye as you pass started with the Witt cars.

More common use of bright colours, and the abandonment of fancy lettering and striping in the 20's also occured. Likley the biggest change was construction methods, in the 20's steel replaced wood as the construction medium. At the turn of the century (approx 1906 ) steel was used as an underframe, with a wood body previous to that cars were generally all wood. The first NA manufacturer tp do steel bodies was the pressed steel company of Pittsburgh which delivered it's first all steel cars to Montreal in 1907.

Most companies however beleaved that heavier wood bodied cars ( steel underframe ) gave a smoother ride,some going even as far as to insist on concrete floors for extra added stability ! Nevertheless steel offered more strength ,was less fragile for external panel use, and could be more easily repaired with rivetting or welding. It was also more fireproof and held together better under vibration. As steel's advantages became better known and hardwoods became more scarce,the tide of opinion changed and by 1912 the star of the changeover took place. Wood interiors and wood framed canvas covered roofs remained in vogue for many years yet but after 1917 the all wood car was obsolete.

While double truck cars became increasingly more popular after the turn of the century ,single truck trams continued to be built to the 1930's. Because they were shorter and lighter, and took up less street space,required less maintenance and consumed less energy.They were better suited to single man pay as you pass operations as well for smaller cities and less travelled routes. Money savings were the prime motivation in the 30's to single man cars as well.

The unions of coarse were not happy with the loss off two man crewing. The main crux was what if the motorman passes out ot dies with no conductor who would save the passengers, this is a death trap etc etc. Enter the safety car ( and better motorman wages/ sorry conductors the union got less jobs but, more money for the remaining members )

Significant technical improvements / advances happen just prior to WW1 making 1 man operation safe and practical. With the "safety cars " the first was built by St louis car in 1913 for the illinois traction ( later terminal , thought you would like that Tom ). It featured a combination brake,sand and door mechanism plus a deadmans handle. The latter became the main feature to overcome the objections to one man operation should the operator become unconscious or dead.The handle has to remain depressed,otherwise the brakes and would automatically apply amd the doors would be made openable only by hand. Doors could not be openned while the car was moving nor could the car move if the doors were open. Hence the "safety car" name.

This system was designed by J.M. Boisenbury ( Illinois Traction's superintendant of motive power ) he worked in conjunction with westinghouse. A foot positioned deadman's button which had to be stood on at all times was also developed at this time.( PCC's use these )

Safety cars of all shapes and sizes were built to double and single truck models.The most popular was the Birney designed by Charles O. Birney of Stone & Webster. his car standarized on a 28 foot 16,000 pound car first produced by Brill in 1916 ( The KW picture I posted on Sunday ) This was a rougyh riding but cheap to produce car essentilally the model T of the transportion systems.They were no frills minimal heating with rataan seats. The latter double truck models rode better but were still rough 47 feet long 40,000 pounds. The later still witt's and PCC's are also safety cars in that their safety appliances are the same ( deadman handle on the Witt , floor pedal on the PCC ) they were just more civilized to the ride characteristcs and of coarse they wer faster.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, February 2, 2006 11:06 PM
Good evening Tom and the various and sundry. I'll take a good belt of CR and one of the cod plates that sir Nick has so graciously created for us. No mushy peas for me though just the chips ( never understood the love of mushy peas[:(][xx(])

Tom Depending on the time frame of the next installment for the cage liner I have a few thoughts I'll get them together and email them through to you[;)] Hopefully your house reconstruction is progressing I have a bathroom to partially redo in March nothing major just paint and some new flooring. I think Lars is right all this rash of reconstruction seems to have been started by you. See what happens when our wives occationally read along[:0][V][;)]

Lars I will definatly let you know if we intend to darken your doorstep. It's always good to have a local for guidance. You get to the best restaurants etc etc. Big chore for me is getting Heather to cross the boarder she has a phobia about it for some reason. Though i'm not old enough to remember the "shot heard round the world" My dad does he was always a big Dodgers fan still is though they play second fiddle to the Blue Jay's now that they are around. I still remember our more modern shot when Joe carter hit the game and series ending homer for the Jay's in 1993.

Pete Hopefully Blackpool doesn't decide just to end tram service. I suppose though if the traffic is heavy enough they'll likley upgrade to Lite rail Siemens or Duwag cars. Hopefully when they do change over, they'll keep a car or two of the old stuff for charter work. The TTC does in Toronto they have retained two PCC's and one small Witt which do charters and occational Sunday Summer runs on the Harbour front line.

Well folks I'm off for now. I'm going to post one more Encore them i may have some new stuff.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 2, 2006 9:15 PM
Evenin' Gents!

Nick - Pete - Duke appreciate your stopping by! Haven't seen you in awhile, Mr. Duke - hope all is well and I'm guessing you're still "at it" over at the CS. Give 'em my regards ....[tup]

Been a looooooong day for moi and there's more of the same in the 'morrow![ugh]

Glad to know that the Gazette tickled you a bit, Nick! 'Tis a bit better than reading the "real world" stuff, wouldn't you agree[?][swg]

Good idea about "saving" the menu - I'm not so sure even this Saturday will be worth having you spend so much time with it. Take a break - hey - I'm the boss!

Well, Pete if you thought what Awk did was funny, you should have seen Boris first time he tried to make love to a bowling ball!<geesh!>

Time to check out - Leon the Night Man has the bar! Drinks on me ... ring it, Boris!

Nite[zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, February 2, 2006 6:27 PM
Well good evening one and all and a splendid evening it is too.....
Have just devoured the latest `Gazette`--[4:-)][oX)]TOM-You have outdone yourself mate[tup][^][tup]-by the time I got to adult classes 3&4 I was in tears-Brilliant!.
In fact,I`m gonna save this weeks menu for sat. night since most folk will be engrossed in the `paper this evening.
So-tonight we just have plain fish suppers-Cod,Haddock,Halibut,Plaice in beer batter with chips
Also sausages,saveloys,chicken quarters,pies & pasties
Baked beans,mushy peas,curry sauce,pickled eggs,mixed pickles
Right,enjoy chaps-I`m going out to the galley to read the paper again--take care,nick[C=:-)]
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Posted by bjdukert on Thursday, February 2, 2006 6:09 PM
Hi Tom and all,thought I would come across the tracks and see how things are going and it looks like it hasn’t changed too much.

If anyone is interested in an “O” scale layout,I went to one last Sunday that a co-worker told me about and took some pics. It is called CHI-TOWN and is suppose to be around the Chicago area about 1955. It is in an old grocery store and has about 4,500ft of track. I happen to recognize one of the people that is helping the owner but I only know him from seeing him at a live steam layout in my area. He was kind enough to take me and Ray (a friend that went with me) up on top to see the computer that runs most of the trains and also down below where the wiring and boosters are. So,if any of you are interested just go to my Photobucket account and look under CHI-TOWN and I hope you enjoy.
Well, it is about time to head out and get back across the tracks,so all of you take care and talk to you later.

Duke

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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, February 2, 2006 5:10 PM
Hi TOM

A pint of the usual .

I though it strange you didn,t mention the club. I guess it is called an armoury over here[?], hope it hasn't caused a problem.

I glad the groundhog problrm has been solved. There hasn't been such a ruckus since AWK thought the white ball was an egg during the track gangs pool tournament [:D] PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 2, 2006 4:35 PM
Hi Pete and anyone else straggling in!

Thought you'd like to know that the Forum's Censor doesn't permit the use of the word A-R-S-E as in A-R-S-E-N-A-L (check you Post and you'll see what I mean!) The way around it is to do what I just did. If you type it all together - you get *****.[swg] That's why I didn't include the name of the soccer club in the sports article.

I'll look into those 2 flicks you mentioned - if I can find some info, they will be included. Thanx for the suggestion![tup]

Last word I heard is that the film was seized shortly after it was discovered that the Press was taking pix. Those folks over at the Groundhoggery are quite sensitive, ya know![swg]

Don't worry about the order for fish 'n chips - we begin serving [dinner] at 5 PM - plenty for all![swg]

Thanx for the round and comments about the Gazette![tup][tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, February 2, 2006 4:11 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a round for the bar please.

TOM An excellent issue of the Gazette[tup][tup]. Will the film of the fracas involving Sir Sleepalot and his adversarys be shown between features at the Emporium, can we get the censors approval [?]. Some great films coming up. Perhaps later Jack Warner in Train of Events and A. Ridley's Ghost Train could be shown.
A footnote to Herbert Chapman after the end of this season****nal will be moving from the marble halls of Highbury to a new ground.****nal have never been out of the Engli***op devison.
Hope the bride dosn't see the courses on offer I would certainly be signed for the shopping one [:-^].

NICK Thanks for the list of the model locos a good selection. What is the number of the Black Five[?] I did not know there was a model of the 4-Cor and to show my age I can remember when the Metro Cam. DMU model first came out.

AL Good Streamliner with the RDCs. It is a shame the passenger numbers tailed off.
I suppose a lot was lost to the airlines [:(].

DOUG. If you could E-Mail on car #1 it would be great[tup].

ROB I will try to find a link to the San Fran trolleys. I read recently that the Blackpool tramway in England is considring modernizing its fleet most of which is getting on in years. I really must get there to see the old trams before they do.

TOM Can I place my order for[C=:-)] Nick's Fish and Chips with mushy peas for later please and can you take a[bow] for the gazette.
If Vito or his pals want a drink you can add it to my tab[:-^]. PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 2, 2006 3:19 PM
For: Nick

Sorry, Mate ... .forgot to make mention of your fine work last night with the model RR input. A rather impressive lot of rolling stock, fer sure, fer sure![tup]

A drink on me for all that effort - ring it Boris your man is thirsty![swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 2, 2006 3:13 PM
G'day Gents!

Thanx for the Gazette comments, Rob 'n Lars! Glad it "worked" for you two .....

House is upside down today and it doesn't appear as if the work will be finished 'til tomorrow. Things are moving along well, however with a rather late start, a couple of snafu's here 'n there, well, y'all know how that goes, eh[?][swg]

Received your Email Rob - appreciate your comments, thanx![tup]

Lars Joe Black didn't make it up to the "bigs" 'til 1952, so he wasn't on the roster when Thomson killed the Bums![swg] Anyway, nice ryhme![tup] When that happened, it was the first time I ever saw my mother cry. Big Dodgers fans in my family. Had grandparents who lived not too far from Ebbetts Field ... spent many a summer's day watching those "Boys of Summer!" Good memories. And yet ANOTHER similarity - we both were Brooklyn Dodger fans! <yikes>

Rob Seems like you're really "into" the Gazette, so it's past due for some "input" for the next issue![swg]

Lars Some of the "stuff" I've used came from those "silly" Emails that people seem to think have to be readdresssed and readdressed and ..... Anyway, now that I'm in the market for "material," I've begun a file of sorts for "stuff" to use in the paper. I'm referring to things like those signs, the bumper stickers and the courses for men. Glad you enjoyed it all! Thanx for the round![tup]

I'll check back in this evening, but right now, got other things to attend to, like getting Juneau out - that is if we can find a "hole" to sneak through to the door!


Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, February 2, 2006 12:29 PM
Hey Tom

Darned near forgot! I liked that reference to Bobby Thomson being from Staten Island. Don't believe very many people younger than us have a "clue" about the "Shot heard 'round the world," but it was a huge event in baseball.

My family went absolutely beserk over that homer - all Giants fans, big time; except for little old me (at the time!) I was a Dodger's fan. Alas, alak, where was Joe Black[?][swg] Poor Ralph Branca - he never, ever was the same after giving up that homer. So, anyway, thanks for the nostalgia trip, much appreciated!

Until the next time!

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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, February 2, 2006 12:23 PM
Hello Tom and Gents at the bar!

Looks like only Rob has been in to make comment on your fine efforts with the Gazette! A 3[tup] salute, Sir![tup][tup][tup] Great job - lots of laughs

Talk about irony - but let me back up a bit. My wife has been talking about new carpeting and floors in the kitchen and bathrooms. Actually, she's been bugging me about it for months. Somewhere along the line, she picked up on what is going on in YOUR house and now is dragging my sorry butt out to the stores to begin the selection process. Oh moan and groan and pain and suffering. The things we men have to do![swg] It's YOUR fault! So, I'd think the drinks should be on YOU! Why not[?] Boris go on, ring it - the boss man is buying![swg]

Got a real kick out of those classes for men. Where in the world do you come up with these things[?] Then those signs were killers for laughing as well. My wife thinks I'm losing it - and again, it's YOUR fault![swg] Thelead story about the Groundhog and all the rest - just a nice way to start the day! Beats reading the real world stuff a thousand fold.

Rob If you are ever down this way, be sure to give a "holler," as it would be my pleasure to show you around a bit. A rendezvous aboard the old S.I.R.T., now there's an image to reflect on![swg] Thanks for the consideration for Toronto, I'm sure you'll all carry on quite well without having another sailor in your midst![swg]

Buy the bar a drink, barkeep and here's a ten spot to cover it![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, February 2, 2006 10:25 AM
Morning Tom a good hearty breakfast or in Our Place's case two light breakfasts. [:D] Need it to refuel after the hilarity of the reading of the local parrot cage liner. [tup][swg][tup][swg]

So H&H and Vito's boyz are upto it again are they. Do I need to call upon Dudley Doright to help "calm" the situation. ( I can here the music starting now ) < When I'm calling Youuuu ! >I'm not gonna touch the buggering of the rug smugglers bit too Jerry Springer for my taste.[swg]

Good to see that the sleeeze bean patch hasn't been buldozed yet with the warm wet winter we have had those beans and turnips should be a bumper crop this year. Heck Boris may even turn a profit [:O] perhaps some muzzles and obiedience classes for both him AWK and Tex will be afforded this year. Not to mention some somminex for a certain sleeping rodent,mid you it might as well be an early spring winters been a bust this year and it brings us closer to Toronto.

Be well everyone

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 2, 2006 8:12 AM
. . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .

Vol. II, Number 2 . . . . . . . . Thursday, February 2nd, 2006 . . . . . . . . . Free
. . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ground Hog’s Day Edition . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Groundhog bites Armadillo, Parrot swipes at Groundhog, Pandemonium erupts

Feb 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Ed Venture, Staff Reporter

The Mentor Village Groundhog, Sir Sleepsalot, was awoken from his long snooze to find that his shadow was showing, thereby sending him scurrying back into his “digs” for a prolonged nap. Unfortunately for those in his path, which included Tex the Armadillo from the bar known as ”Our” Place, Sir Sleepsalot didn’t take kindly to the obstacle confronting him and took a “chunk” of Armadillo tail en route his den. Spotting this from the air, the Parrot known as Awk also from ”Our” Place swooped down upon Sir Sleepsalot and began pecking at both ears until the Groundhog rolled over in a submissive position, whereby Tex the Armadillo seized the moment and pounced upon the unsuspecting Groundhog. Meanwhile, Dilford Stumblefoot, Chief Keeper & Handler for the Mentor Village Groundhog, attempted to calm the situation and wound up in a three-ring circus affair with a crazed Armadillo, a diving bombing Parrot and an incensed Groundhog. At last sighting, the four of them were conducting a battle royal. Film at 11.


BudKarr BK Inducted into the ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Feb 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Verbal Funderburk, Staff Reporter

BudKarr BK was inducted into the Order of the Stools on Feb 1st . Unfortunately, BK is in Europe and was unable to attend “his” party at the Mentor Village bar known as ”Our” Place. However, the customary crowd of free-loaders and “usual suspects” (aka: customers) was on hand to celebrate his induction.

As has become custom, the induction ceremonies were carried out by the Selection Committee in the Pool Room of the bar. Attendees included the Track Gangs of the Can-Am, CN and CP railways along with municipal leaders, business movers & shakers along with visiting conventioneers attending the Four-handed Games Olympics at the Mentor Village Convention Centre and Indoor Camel Racing Track. The Gals of ”Our” Place were on hand to provide food and drink for one and all, attired in their hot pink and blue bib overalls with RR Engineer’s caps.

BK spoke to the gathering via satellite video hookup, cheering them on with a rousing rendition of, “You’re nobody, ‘til somebody loves you!” sung in the key of FLAT with the emotion of a slug drowning in a tin of salt and beer. BK was last heard warbling a rendition of the Icelandic National Anthem in the native tongue. Quite a late afternoon for one and all.

As the crowd began to dissipate, several attendees wondered aloud where those red marks on their ankles came from, as sounds of “clickety clack” could be heard in the background from what appeared to be a small animal scurrying into an adjoining room. Others were seen swatting at a multi-colored [UFO intent on dive bombing the dignitaries as they ran for cover. It was later reported that Awk the Parrot and Tex the Armadillo were indeed on the loose once again.

(Reporter’s comment: Attending these events is surely hazardous to one’s well being!)


Spotted along our highways and byways

Feb 2nd, Mentor Village
By: E. C. Street, Staff Reporter










Special Investigative Unit formed to inquire into recent charges of illegal activity

Feb 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Ima Crook, Crime Reporter

As was reported in the previous edition of this newspaper, several scandalous events have taken place within the Village that have overtaken the abilities of local law enforcement to uncover the facts behind each. The Can-Am County Office of the Special Prosecutor (CACOSP) has formed a Special Investigative Unit to determine the linkage between the hostile takeover of the former First National Bank of Mentor Village by Vito the Hit and his Boyz with the development plans for the Mentor Village Shopping Mall, the threatened extinction of our Black turnip and Sleaze bean patch and the recent “buggering” incidents of the Rug Smuggler sleuths. The Grand Jury has adjourned pending a report of findings by CACOSP, expected, “Pretty soon,” according to an anonymous source.

On a related note, Vito Grammarian (aka: Vito the Hit), was observed frequenting the County Line Massage Parlour and Transcendental Reading Room for what appeared to be a meeting of “family” business associates. Several rather large black limousines were observed quadruple parked at the site of the Parlour trailers. When questioned by this reporter, Vito’s spokesman said, “A guy should be able to get his parts oiled now ‘n then without having the press in his face.” When asked about the license plate’s of the limousines bearing the markings, “Vito 1,” “Vito 2,” “Vito 3,” etc. he remarked, “That’s a bunchacrap, youse got nuttin’ on me, ain’t no law bein’ broken. We’re all here to celebrate,” with no further elaboration. More to follow …….


Mentor Village Emporium Theatre has a Grand Re-opening

Feb 2nd, Mentor Village
By: Pop N. Corn, Entertainment Reporter

The Grand Re-opening of the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre took place on January 9th and was the village’s single most memorable event in decades.

With Hollywood-style searchlights flooding the sky, limousines pulling up to discharge the Gentry, along with a veritable “Who’s Who” from the County and Village, the grand old theatre was revived to life as never before.

With a packed house, the theatre’s first double feature presentation of Von Ryan’s Express (1965) starring Frank Sinatra & Trevor Howard - and - The Great Locomotive Chase (1956) starring Jeffrey Hunter, Fess Parker & Slim Pickens drew applause during and after the showings. Between films, live entertainment captivated the audience as veritable panoply of stars from years past emulated the acts once seen during Vaudeville’s finest days.

The Mentor Village Constabulary indicated that there were no reports of disturbances as a result of the gala nor was the crowd anything but festive and cooperative throughout the evening.

An anticipated confrontation between the Track Gangs and the Boyz from the Bank did not materialize as they were seated on opposite sides of the theatre and kept largely separated throughout the affair.

Surprise guests included Annie Bodie, Female Mud Wrestling Champion of 2005, who presented commemorative plates to the first 500 theatre goers. Foster Dennis Peeding-Bullet, NASCAR contender for the 2006 Can-Am 500, signed commemorative plates for those few who recognized him (her??). Aaron D. Tires and Anita Biernow represented the Motorcycle Rodeo Federation with commemorative Harley plates. As an after thought, it was overheard that perhaps the next time plates are given out, we should do so at the end, as there were sounds of glass breakage throughout the evening, according to Theatre Manager, Drew D. Kurtain.

Our hometown celebrity, Yogi was overheard saying, “This was a great night, we need to have grand re-openings more often!”


EDITORIAL

We wi***o acknowledge the fine work of all who support the efforts of the “Steamed Proprietor” of ”Our” Place in keeping the Village bar flourishing. While at times an irritation to some, the historic landmark building is a source of pride for many others. Generations of Mentorites have frequented the gatherings held within those walls and there are very few amongst us who cannot recall a Friday night pizza with that first “legal” beer when we came of age!

So, to one and all who consider yourselves as regular customers of ”Our” Place, we say – get a life!


CLASSIFIED Section

Free puppies. Part German Shepherd, part dog. Call: 852-5125 (daytime only).

Main Street Pizza: We deliver, or pick up. Call: 813-6122

Nordic track, $300. Hardly used. Call Chubby at 866-8733 (evening)

Exercise equipment: queen size mattress and box springs, $175. Call: 813-9963

Joining Nudist Colony – must sell washer and dryer. Call: 853-1276


SPORTS History

Baseball: Bobby Thomson of the New York Giants, from Staten Island, NY, hit one of the most famous home runs in baseball history, against the Brooklyn Dodgers at the Polo Grounds in New York. His homerun in the bottom of the 9th inning not only won the game, but also the Pennant for the Giants in this third and final pennant playoff game of the 1951 National League season.


Football: The Four Horsemen of Notre Dame comprised a winning group of football players at the University of Notre Dame under coach Knute Rockne. They were the legendary backfield of Notre Dame's 1924 football team. They were Harry Stuhldreher, quarterback, halfback Don Miller, Elmer Layden, fullback and Jim Crowley, halfback.


Basketball: Bill Russell (#6) of the Boston Celtics dominated the professional game of basketball in the ‘60s as no other player did. He reintroduced the art of defense to the game and intimidated opponents by his mere proximity to the basket. Russell received virtually every NBA honor that exists, and in 1968, he received Sports Illustrated magazine's "Sportsman of the Year" award. In 1980, he was named the greatest player in the history of the NBA by the Professional Basketball Writers Association of America. He was exceptionally active in the American Civil Rights Movement.


Hockey: Bobby Orr, considered by many as the greatest hockey player ever, appeared to fly through the air as he scored the winning overtime goal against the St. Louis Blues that returned the Stanley Cup to Boston after an absence of 29 years. May 10th, 1970 remains as one of the most memorable days in Boston sports history. Forced to retire after more than a dozen knee operations, the mandatory three-year waiting period was waived and in 1979 he was enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame at age 31. He was the youngest player to be inducted and one of only ten players to get in without having to wait three years. He has been honored with his name recorded on Canada's Walk of Fame. A museum exists in his honor in his home town of Parry Sound called the Bobby Orr Hall of Fame. In 1979 he was made an Officer of the Order of Canada, and was voted the greatest athlete in Boston history in the Boston Globe newspaper's poll of New Englanders, beating out Ted Williams, Bill Russell, Carl Yastrzemski and Bob Cousy.


Soccer: Herbert Chapman, Britain’s most famous team manager between the two world wars, is known as the man who created the modern image of the game of soccer. He was one of the first football managers in the modern sense of the word, taking full charge of the team, rather than letting board members pick the side. As well as his tactical innovations, Chapman was also a pioneer of physical fitness in football - he instituted a strict training regime and the use of physiotherapists. His innovative ideas spread beyond the training pitch. He was an early advocate of floodlights, white footballs and numbered shirts among many others. In 2003 Champan was inducted into the English Football Hall of Fame in recognition of his impact as a manager. A bronze bust of Chapman stands in the entrance of the marble halls of the home ground at Highbury, in tribute to his achievements at the club.


COMIX

From the Bumper:


WANTED: Meaningful
overnight relationship.



Guys … just because you have one,
doesn’t mean you have to be one …



Some people are only alive
because it is illegal to shoot them.



ADULT LEARNING

WINTER CLASSES FOR MEN at the Mentor Village ADULT LEARNING CENTER
REGISTRATION MUST BE COMPLETED BY Monday, February 20th, 2006

NOTE: DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND DIFFICULTY LEVEL
OF THEIR CONTENTS, CLASS SIZES WILL BE LIMITED TO 8 PARTICIPANTS MAXIMUM.


Class 1
Health Watch --- Bringing Her Flowers Is Not Harmful To Your Health.
Graphics and Audio Tapes.

Three nights; Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 7:00 PM for 2 hours.

Class 2
Real Men Ask For Directions When Lost --- Real Life Testimonials.
Tuesdays at 6:00 PM Location to be determined.

Class 3
Is It Genetically Impossible To Sit Quietly While She Parallel Parks?
Driving Simulations.

4 weeks, Saturday's noon, 2 hours.

Class 4
Learning to Live --- Basic Differences Between Mother and Wife.
Online Classes and role-playing
.
Tuesdays at 7:00 PM, location to be determined

Class 5
How to be the Ideal Shopping Companion
Relaxation Exercises, Meditation and Breathing Techniques.

Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning at 7:00 PM.

Class 6
How to Fight Cerebral Atrophy --- Remembering Birthdays, Anniversaries and Other Important Dates and Calling When You're Going To Be Late.
Cerebral Shock Therapy Sessions and Full Lobotomies Offered.
Three nights; Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 7:00 PM for 2 hours.

Class 7
The Stove/Oven --- What It Is and How It Is Used.
Live Demonstration.
Tuesdays at 6:00 PM, location to be determined.

Upon completion of any of the above courses,
diplomas will be issued to the survivors.



THEATRE

Mentor Village Emporium (check local listings for showtimes)

Double Features all of the time!

. . . Monday, January 30th thru February 4th: Oh, Mr. Porter! (British - 1937) starring: Will Hay, Moore Marriott & Graham Moffitt – and – Shadow of a Doubt (1943) starring: Teresa Wright, Joseph Cotten & Macdonald Carey.

. . . Sunday, February 5th thru 11th: The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James – and – Breakheart Pass (1975) starring Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson & Richard Crenna.

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.

. . . Sunday, February 19th thru 25th: Fahrenheit 451 (1966) starring: Oskar Werner, Julie Christie & Cyril Cusack – and – Flame Over India/Northwest Frontier (1959) starring: Kenneth More, Lauren Bacall & Herbert Lom.

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.
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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, February 2, 2006 6:28 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a quik cup of coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 54

DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINER B&O trains 21-22 October 28, 1956 Philadelphia – Pittsburgh daily each direction 418.7 miles each way 9 hours 10 minutes each way

The Baltimore & Ohio Railroad after a weekend rail fan trip using Budd Rail Diesel Cars between Baltimore and Chicago were impressed with the mountain climbing abilities of the cars and it was all that was needed for the B&O to order six RDCs for special service. The new trains to be known as the DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINER operated between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia by way of Washington and Baltimore. For the DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINERS the B&O purchased four standard RDC 1s 1908-1911 and two custom RDC 2s 1960 and 1961. Each of the two DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINER trains that began service from opposite terminals that October 28, 1956 consisted of one RDC 2 leading and two RDC 1s trailing. The special RDC 2s built for this service contained a standard Baggage Compartment followed by a small kitchen and 24 seat Dining Room. To the rear of the dining area was located coach seating for an additional 24 passengers, Each three car DAYLIGHT SPEEDLINER had a revenue seating capacity of 202.


CONSIST ONE

1960 RDC-2 Baggage – Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 24- Revenue Seat Coach

1908 RDC-1 90- Revenue Seat Coach

1910 RDC-1 90- Revenue Seat Coach

CONSIST TWO

1961 RDC-2 Baggage – Kitchen 24- Seat Dining 24- Revenue Seat Coach

1909 RDC-1 90- Revenue Seat Coach

1911 RDC-1 90- Revenue Seat Coach

The RDC equipped SPEEDLINERS were quite popular in the early years of operation but passengers still were abandoning the rails in spite of the fast timekeeping of these trains. Between end points Philadelphia and Pittsburgh these were the fastest trains operating between those city pairs.

In 1958 the east end was cut back to Baltimore and the trains operated Baltimore – Pittsburgh only.

In 1963 the trains were annulled altogether with passenger loads having dropped to less than the capacity of the RDC-2 and a single RDC-1, on most days of the week the RDC-2 would have been sufficient.

TTFN AL
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 2, 2006 5:21 AM


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good morning! The pastry case is chock full of goodies from The Mentor Village Bakery and the menu board features our <traditional> and <light> breakfasts. So, fill up a cuppa Joe and start the day with us![tup]


Daily Wisdom

“What did you like best about school?” “When it’s closed.”
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Watch for The Mentor Village Gazette Today!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 05:15:35 (235) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 07:29:16 (235) Streamliner #53 Western Star

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 08:07:53 (235) AM visit

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 09:03:12 (235) Gazette Ad

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 09:36:38 (235) New Inductee, Order of the Stools

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 10:39:54 (235) 2nd AM visit!

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 10:40:23 (235) Inclusive Post & Pike stuff

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 10:50:05 (235) Encore! – Classic Steam #6

(9) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 14:15:02 (235) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 14:38:50 (235) PM chat

(11) pwolfe Pete Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 15:53:20 (235) Inclusive Post, etc.

(12) passengerfan Al Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 18:49:37 ((235) C&O and Pere Marquette

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 19:01:01 (235) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 19:02:40 (235) Pike Perspective’s Day!

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 19:12:54 (235) etc.

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 20:59:52 (235) Night Post

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Feb 2006, 23:08:30 (235) Inclusive Post, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features beginning Monday, January 30th!

. . . January 30th thru February 4th: DOUBLE FEATURE Oh, Mr. Porter! (British - 1937) starring Will Hay, Moore Marriott & Graham Moffitt – and – Shadow of a Doubt (1943) starring Teresa Wright, Joseph Cotten & Macdonald Carey.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 11:08 PM
Good evening leon set up a round for all those interested if you -please.[tup]
Does Boris know that you are playing the shell gang with Tex[?].Interesting usage for the pith helmut I must say.

Pete Hey i'm glad you liked those two websites. I'm not sure who or where that trolley arrived from. A suggestion would be to look up San Fransisco's public transit website. They liley own and run the car so you should be able to find out there. Interesting transit system in san fran. not only are the cable cars an opereating national historical monument , but their streetcar fleet 99% PCC come from all the various street railway companies of the US and Canada that operated PCC's. When you ride the cars there they even are left painted for their original owners. You'll see Pacific electric, Boston, Cleveleand ,KC, Toronto paint jobs and on and on, quite neat really and they are all well maintained.

nick glad you liked the reread of the Huntsville sub. No excuses for proper operation now. LOL[;)][:p] Interesting assortment of equipment you have as well, the 0-6-0 electrics will look quite good pulling the Northlander don't you think[?][:D]

Lars If you change your mind about TO let us know as Tom said definatly the more the merrier. Who knows we may decide to rendevous in your back yard. All of us on the SIRT could be an interesting thing.

Tom Carefull with that lifting. I kniow that the deed done by now , hopefully with out any herniations or otherwise. I've always found that swearing while lifting and dropping bzillion pound TV's is quite therapeudic as well,does scare the cat but she gets over it.


Doug Hey glad to see you pop back in. Holy cow though are they cooking that poor groundhog[:0][xx(] At first glance I thought that the people of Chicago had captured Boris and were doing the frankenstein thing to him, that or it was a new wizard of oz set.<ignore the man behind the curtain>Still it will be intersting to see what Wiarton Willie has to say for himself tomorrow, likley six more weeks of almost winter such as it's been this year.

Well fellers I'll check back later.

Rob
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 8:59 PM
Good evening Tom and fellow groundhog fans. Please accept a round on me, and chip BK for another for his newly elevated status as a reserve member!

Pete, the article on car 1is from The Fast Mail No. 417, February 2006. I just got it yesterday. I can scan and e-mail it to you if you would like.

Sorry to "post and run", but I've got to get up very early to be on hand for the groundhog "prognostications" in Woodstock. You will recall that the movie "Groundhog Day", released in 1993 with Bill Murray was filmed in Woodstock. The "bed and breakfast" he stayed in was actually the home of my friend and flight instuctor. Here is a shot of the festivities tonight, which they call "lighting the groundhog".



hope you don't mind the non-train-related post, but since groundhod day was mentioned, I figured it was ok. By the way, there has only been 14 occasions since 1887 that the groundhog did not see his shadow.
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 7:12 PM
Hi [4:-)][oX)]TOM-Fancy a beer ?-I reckon you`ve more than earned it [swg].n
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 7:02 PM
Right,back again for this weeks Pikes Perspective Pitch,my Brit trains stocklist.

First a little background, The Somerset & Dorset Jt Rly connected Bouremouth on the South Coast with Bath,Bristol,Gloucester & the North,giving the Midland Railway a direct route to a popular holiday coast.
The line was jointly administered by the Midland and London & South-Western Rly`s and their sucessors the L.M.S & Southern Rlys.
In the last years before closure the line was transferred to Western Region control.
Most of my stock is of L.M.S or G.W origin with a couple of Southerners and just a flavour of Diesel


L.M.S. stock:-
..........................8P...4-6-2 "Duchess of Abercorn"................Hornby
..........................8P...4-6-2 "Princess Elizabeth"....................Tri-Ang Hornby
.........................5MT..4-6-0 Black 5..........................................Tri-Ang/rebuild
..........................4F....0-6-0..........................................................Airfix
..........................3F....0-6-0..........................................................Tri-Ang
..........................3F....0-6-0T......"Jinty".......................................Tri-Ang
..........................3F....0-6-0T..currently "Thomas" for Hannah Tri-Ang
..........................1F....0-6-0T...."Johnson Tank"........................Hornby/conv.
...........................0F...0-4-0T..."Pug"-lined black.......................Hornby
...........................0F...0-4-0T..."Pug"-unlined black...................Hornby


Great Western stock:-
........................60xx....4-6-0..."King Edward II"...........................Hornby
........................49xx....4-6-0..."Albert Hall"...................................Tri-Ang Hornby
........................43xx....2-6-0...Churchward "Mogul"....................Mainline
........................22xx....0-6-0...Collett goods.................................Mainline
........................61xx....2-6-2T...large prairie.................................Airfix
........................45xx....2-6-2T...small prairie................................Lima
........................20xx....0-6-0PT..open cab pannier.....................Hornby
........................14xx....0-4-2T....auto-tank.....................................Airfix


Southern & Misc. stock:-
........................6P5F...4-6-2...BoB "Lord Beaverbrook"..............Hornby
........................2MT.....2-6-2T.....B.R Std 2.....................................Bachmann
........................2F........0-6-0T..J.72-sold to N.C.B,Norton Hill....Mainline
........................0F........0-4-0T..Ind.tk based on S.R. orig.............Tri-Ang Hornby
........................0F........0-4-0T..earlier version of above................Tri-Ang

Diesels & Southern Electrics:-
N.B-tops codes used for convenience,all units in green livery
........................08....0-6-0 English Electric shunter.......................Hornby
........................33...Crompton Bo-Bo diesel-electric.....................Lima
........................35...B/P Hymek Bo-Bo diesel-hydraulic................Hornby
........................37....E/E type 3 Co-Co diesel electric....................Triang-Hornby
........................."Midland Pullman" 4-car D.M.U..............................Tri-Ang
........................Metro.-Camm. 2 car D.M.U. w.4 assd C cars.......Triang
........................Southern Electric 4COR dmbs and trailers..........Hornby-Dublo and Triang
........................Southern Electric 2BIL dms and trailers................Tri-Ang
.........................0-4-0 Baldwin (?..)dock tank....................................Tri-Ang

So there you have it-rather than waste pages of cyberspace (?) trying to explain all of it at once,if anybody wants anything expanded on,just ask.
Right,just going to sit by the juke box and practice smiling,ready for the forthcoming tourist season[^],speak soon,nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 7:01 PM
Evenin' Gents!

To Nick & Pete "Britian's Dynamic Duo" - nice Posts - inclusive, informative, some humor - just right![swg]

For Lars Good to see you at the bar and the "timeframe" seems to suit you just fine. The round is certainly appreciated by the aforementioned "duo!"[swg] Thanx for the concern - but I've already "ruined" my lower back (been there, done that) and there' s no way I'm about to put myself out of commission for another 7 weeks or so.[tdn]

Pete The more I learn about RRs in your country (thanx to those magazines you've provided each time we get together![swg]) the more interested I become in crossing back over the "pond." [yeah] I can see us somehow winding up in a Pub or three - but isn't that all part of the "experience"[?][swg]

Nick Loud swearing chases Juneau scurrying for cover. Gotta be considerate of the beast.[swg] The heavy lifting is about to ensue, as it's nearing time to pull the 4 bizillion pound TV out of it's "nook" and make ready for the 'morrow. Hope the bride has had her Wheaties today![swg]

Just wanted to touch base with the guys who are keeping us "up 'n running," and to express my ongoing appreciation for your patronage!

Lars Can't imagine not having a hulluva good time in NYC. 'fraid my barking and howling days (daze) are far behind me - other than here in cyber space!s[swg] Takes far too long for the recovery! Such is life approaching 68.<grin> Regardng Toronto, should something change, and one never really knows, just keep us in mind. The more the merrier!

Question: How come no one has stepped up to the plate to assume the "awesome" responsibility of Manager[?] No one[?] <Good Grief!> You'd think this was a "hard job" or something .... c'mon, it's all cyber stuff - it's all for <grins>. No one[?]

Nick If you knew a bit more about BK and his "comings & goings" you'd fear for the well being of those Track Gangs![swg] I have a feeling he can "handle it," and then some. I've been wrong before, but I'm right tonight, Mate![swg] Oh yes, before I forget - I did ship an Email off to BK to let him know of his Induction. GIven the difference in time zones coupled with his ongoing travels, it may take a couple of days to hear from him.

Okay - gotta get back to the prep stage for the 'morrow.

Leon the Night Man has the bar! Doesn't he look splendid in his Khaki desert uniform with the multiple pockets[?] The pith helmut could be discarded, however, those leggings strapped around the shined jump boots makes him look like someone none of us want to mess with! So behave, Gents![swg]

Set 'em up Leon and Boris ring the bell!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 6:49 PM
Good Aftternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a quick CR and a round for the house. Being so close to the office I don't think they will miss me for 15 minutes.
Will have to catch up on all of theposts later this evening in the meantime in keeping with Toms new series yesterday I am including the following.

CHESAPEAKE
&
OHIO
&
PERE
MARQUETTE
Streamlined Coaches
by Al;

The C&O for its size would order one of the largest postwar fleets of lightweight streamlined cars ever placed with Pullman Standard. Unfortunately it was more cars than the C&O could possibly use for their passenger services. Many of the cars from this order were canceled before metal was cut for their construction. Others were sold directly to other railroads such as the D&RGW, IC, and B&O. A further group of cars would be sold by the C&O after Pullman Standard delivery some having never operated in C&O service. The C&O would still end up with one of the most modern passenger fleets of any eastern railroad. For coach passengers the C&O would introduce some of the most innovative new coaches of any railroad.
The first of the C&O postwar streamlined trains to enter service was the two consists of the PERE MARQUETTES inaugurated August 10, 1946. These two Pullman Standard built seven car streamliners would enter service between Detroit and Grand Rapids, Michigan scheduled for three round trip daily. The Pere Marquette Railway was owned by the C&O but operated at that time under its original name. In 1947 the Pere Marquette would become the Northern lines of the C&O. The trip between Detroit and Grand Rapids was 152 miles in each direction with each train operating 456 miles daily. Each of the seven car streamlined trains provided revenue seating for 220 passengers. The trains were painted Enchantment Blue Roofs, Car Ends, Window Bands and Trucks with a Venetian Yellow Letter Board and fluted stainless steel panels on the car sides below the windows. The E7A units were painted to match minus the fluted stainless steel panels. The two head end cars and diesel unit were the only cars turned at terminals. The remaining five cars like the prewar Reading CRUSADER consisted of a pair of Coach Observations with Blunt ends a pair of Coaches and a 44 seat Dining car in the center. The trains were train lined with a Baggage 15’ Railway Post Office Car, Baggage Car, Coach Observation, Coach, Dining Car, Coach, and Coach Observation. The seats in the Coaches and Coach Observations were simply reversed at terminals. The consists were replaced by newer cars in 1950 and many of these original PERE MARQUETTE cars were sold to other roads.

101 EMD E7A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

51 Baggage Car

61 Baggage 15’ Railway Post Office Car

21 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation

30 54 Revenue seat Coach with 10 seat Smoking Lounge

11 44 seat Dining Car

31 54 Revenue seat Coach with 10 seat Smoking Lounge

23 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation

SECOND CONSIST

102 EMD E7A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

50 Baggage 15’ Railway Post Office Car

60 Baggage Car

20 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation

30 54 Revenue seat Coach with 10 seat Smoking Lounge

10 44 seat Dining Car

32 54 Revenue seat Coach with 10 seat Smoking Lounge

22 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation

BAGGAGE 15’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CARS Pullman Standard July, 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)
50 – 51

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard July 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)
60 – 61

56 REVENUE SEAT COACH OBSERVATIONS WITH 10 SEAT LOUNGE Pullman Standard July 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)
20 – 23

54 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 10 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE Pullman Standard July 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)
30 – 33

44 SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard July 1946 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTES)
10 – 11

All eight of the above cars with revenue seating 20-23, 30-33 were sold to the C&EI in 1950 replaced by newer C&O cars delivered that same year. The C&O added another pair of PERE MARQUETTES between Chicago and Grand Rapids in 1950 with connecting service from Holland and Muskegon provided in each direction. The Coaches came from the large Pullman Standard order of 1950 numbered 1610 - 1668. A single Baggage 32 Revenue seat Coach 1403 was also assigned to PERE MARQUETTE service in 1950. A similar car 1402 was assigned to the other PERE MARQUETTE train set in 1950; this car was a Baggage 28 revenue seat Coach Combination built by Budd for the stillborn CHESSIE of 1948. Two 54 revenue seat Coaches with 9 seat lounges 134 and 135 were delivered by Pullman Standard in 1950 for PERE MARQUETTE service. The four 30 revenue seat Parlor cars built for PERE MARQUETTE service in 1950 were 1800 TORCH LAKE, 1801 BURT LAKE, 1802 CHARLEVOIS LAKE and 1803 ELK LAKE. The final car built specifically for PERE MARQUETTE service in 1950 was Lunch Counter Tavern Lounge Car 1920 CHESSIE CLUB.

BAGGAGE 28 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION CAR Budd Company July 1948 (Built for CHESSIE assigned to PERE MARQUETTE service)
1402

BAGGAGE 32 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATION CAR Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTE service)
1403

54 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 9 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTE service)
134 – 135

8 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER BUFFET 30 SEAT LOUNGE CAR Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTE service)
1903 CHESSIE CLUB

30 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to PERE MARQUETTE service)
1800 TORCH LAKE
1801 BURT LAKE
1802 CHARLEVOIS LAKE
1803 ELK LAKE

The Chesapeake & Ohio received three consists of lightweight streamlined cars in August 1948 from the Budd Company to inaugurate a new daytime streamlined train service between Washington, DC and Cincinnati, Ohio powered by coal fired streamlined Turbine locomotives. A connecting through car service would be operated between Newport News and Charlottesville powered by streamlined stainless steel shrouded Hudson’s. The new deluxe all coach streamliner named the CHESSIE was scheduled to enter service in September, 1948 but after one delay or postponement after another the CHESSIE was quietly dropped having never entered service. The CHESSIE would have been one of the most innovative if not the most innovative coach streamliners ever built with features never found on any other coach streamliner in America. The three train sets featured Coaches with revenue seating for 36 with an 8 seat smoking lounge numbered 1500-1511 and 1600-1609 as the standards for the trains with all other CHESSIE cars specialty cars except for the 1400 – 1402 Baggage 28 revenue seat Coach combination cars. The 1700-1702 were Family Coaches with revenue seats for 32, a diaper changing room, Children’s Playroom, Children’s Theater, and Buffet. The 1850-1852 series cars featured 5 Roomettes, 1 Single Bedroom, 3 drawing Rooms and 24 non revenue seats in the dome with all space sold for daytime use only. The 1875 – 1877 series cars were 20 revenue seat Coaches with a snack bar beneath the 20 non revenue seat Dome Observations. Car numbers 1900 – 1902 were 8 seat Lunch Counter Buffet 38 seat lounge Cars. Car numbers 1920 – 1922 featured 5 seat Lunch Counter 32 seat Dining and 10 seat Lounge Observation with Blunt Observation end and diaphragm installed. Cars 1940 – 1942 featured a Crew Dayroom 12 seat Lunch Counter and Kitchen, these cars were paired with 60 seat Dining Room Theater cars 1970 – 1972. If the CHESSIES had entered service several of the 36 revenue seat coaches and the 1920 – 1922 series Lunch Counter Dining Room Lounge Observations would have operated as through Newport News – Cincinnati cars. The 46 cars constructed by Budd for the CHESSIE sat idle while the C&O made up their mind what to do with them. Eventually the 20-revenue seat Coach 24 non-revenue seat dome Observations 1875 - 1877 would be assigned temporarily to PERE MARQUETTE service before being sold to the D&RGW in September 1948. The D&RGW after repainting these cars and installing adapters for mid train use assigned the cars to the ROYAL GORGE. The 22 coaches in the 1500-1511 series and 1600-1609 series were sold six to the ACL in October 1950, eight to the SAL in August 1950, and the remaining eight were sold overseas and shipped to Argentina. Two of the 1900 – 1902 series Tavern Lounge cars 1900 and 1901 were also sold and shipped to Argentina, while 1902 was retained by the C&O and rebuilt into Business car 19 in 1950. The three twin unit dining sets were 1940- 1942 and 1970- 1972 series were all sold to the ACL in December 1950. The three sleeper Domes 1850 – 1852 were sold to the B&O in December, 1950 and assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED and SHENANDOAH between Washington and Chicago. The three Family Coaches 1700 – 1702 were sold to the C&EI in March 1951 the last of the former CHESSIE cars sold.

BAGGAGE 28 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1400– 1402

36 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 8 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGES Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

Vestibule Aft
1500 – 1511

Vestibule Forward
1600 – 1609

32 REVENUE SEAT FAMILY COACHES WITH CHILDREN’S PLAYROOM THEATER DIAPER CHANGING ROOM Budd Company August, 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1700 – 1702

24 SEAT DOME 3 DRAWING ROOM 5 ROOMETTE 1 SINGLE BEDROOM PRIVATE ROOM CARS Budd Company August, 1948 Plan: 9524 Lot: 9669 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1850 – 1852

24 SEAT DOME 20 REVENUE SEAT COACH 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Tapered) Budd Company August, 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1875 – 1877

8 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER BUFFET 38 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1900 – 1902

KITCHEN PANTRY 5 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 32 SEAT DINING 10 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1920 – 1922

CREW DAYROOM 8 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN CARS ½ of TWIN UNIT Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1940 – 1942

60 SEAT DINING ROOM THEATER CARS ½ of TWIN UNIT Budd Company August 1948 (Built for stillborn CHESSIE)

1970 – 1972

The streamlined coaches to modernize the remaining C&O passenger services arrived in 1950 from Pullman Standard several of these cars were listed previously for the PERE MARQUETTE services (1403, 1800 – 1803, and 1903). The largest part of the order was for eighty 52 revenue seat coaches of whom fifty-nine were actually delivered to the C&O numbered 1610 – 1668. These cars were built with two compartments seating 26 with a serpentine open divider between the compartments. The reason given for this design was it broke up the tube like shape of the coach seating area. These cars actually seemed more roomy than most with this center divider although in actual fact it was only an illusion. These cars were assigned to the SPORTSMAN, PERE MARQUETTES, GEORGE WASHINGTON, and FFV. Many secondary trains were also equipped with these coaches.

52 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard 1950 (Built for and assigned to General Service)
1610 – 1668

Two of the above cars 1610 and 1611 were remodeled with a Kitchen occupying the space of the former men’s room at one end and the 26 coach seats at that same end were replaced by a 22 seat Dining room. At the other end of the car in the space where the large women’s restroom was formerly located smaller men and Ladies Rest rooms were installed and the 26 revenue seat coach compartment remained.

TTFN AL

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