"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon. I'll take a keith's and leave this bag of loonies for the "coal scuttle"

Tom Don't know what to tell you about the pictures. I tend to use one's I've taken or family members have taken ( in the case of alot of the traction Heather or her Dad ). It's almost impossible to get permission from some people, which I can understand.In some cases some of the old traction shots I have are shots from members at the museum so me posting them generally isn't a problem. I'm sure that you have lots of good shots of your own in the archieves. Urls do work and for the most part the guys here will go to the web sites and enjoy.

I must have missed something. Why is Nick "uncomfortable" [?]

I have to say that I'm almost at the bottom of ad's to post so I'll have to dig deep for some more pertainent similar info ( no fear I have more Classic Juices and steam bits to come as well )

Doug Good to "see" you. Liked the final steam in India post. I figured that we would get a shot with people hanging onto the side of a train. We weren't dissapointed. Really a good article as have been the others. It's too bad that that magazine went under. Interesting poem as well, I don't think that anyone had posted it before either.

Have you folks been able to fix the Zepher yet ?

Al I thought I was on mount Olympus their for a while LOL. Nice info on the Zepher's, I would say it was all Greek to me but Tom would Tweet me for bad puns.[swg][:O]

Ted Sooo we hav vays of making you talk. Actually I agree with you cleaning under the wires is a bit of a pain in the undercarriage,need to have a bit of real looking overhead though to make the scene look real. In my case the electrification will span a couple of the removable gaps for doors so people will have to pretend that there is overhead in those portions this is also why I'm not running powered overhead. That and the fact that I don't want to perform surgery on my trolly's to make them run of pole pwer either.

Well folks that raps up this visit. I'll pop back soon.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay so now that I've been refreshed by that Keith's Leon was so good to give me I will endevour to get back on track so to speak. For the first time in a while...a new

CLASSIC JUICE #14 THE TORONTO SUBURBAN RAILWAY


This is the little known Toronto electric line. It had a peculiar and not altogether happy history. For most of it's years of operation it was onlt a suburban streetcar line. When construction of the major intercity line comenced, it proceeded at a snails pace. As a consequence, the extention to it's as planned radial line ruined the company financially.

It was incorporated in 1894 as the Toronto Suburban Street Railway Company and built in the mid-nineties from Keele and Dundas streets in Toronto via Dundas Road to Lambton Mills, and to Weston via Keele and Weston Road. In addition a street car line was built from Bathurst Street and Davenport Road via Davenport and Weston Roads to Keele.Around 1901 the line developed great ambitions of building to Hamilton, but the project never got beyond the survey stage,and the company continued for a decade as a small suburban carrier, with about ten miles of line and a moderate rate of return on investment.

In 1911 the line was aquired by MacKenzie ( of Candian Northern Fame ), and plans for extention were revived, this time in the direction of Guelph. First however, the Weston line was extended in a crooked winding route into Woodbridge,following the road for a distance and then the Humber River. The track reached Woodbridge in 1913, but a dispute with the town over location prevented introduction of regular service until oct 10 of 1914. The mainline to Guelph was surveyed in 1911, and construction commenced in 1912. Much of the grading was finished in 1913 except for heavy work near Lambton. Work continued in 1914, during which year miost of the rail was laid. The war slowed down construction,and not until april 14, 1917, was service inaugerated on the 49 mile line from Lambton to Guelph.

The road was built to relativly high standards,with substancial grading and filling and several extensive bridges and tressels,including a 711 foot steel bridge over the Humber and a 315 foot wooden tressel accross the west branch of the Credit river. The track was nearly all on a private right of way, following Dundas street to summerville and then cutting cross country via Medowvale, Huttonville,Norval,Georgetown,Acton, and Edon Mills, south of the Grand trunk's old mainline. The Line climbed 755 feet from lambton to a point west of Acton.( This is nowadays Milton, our Museum ROW is the old TSR line through to Guelph ) The operation was 1500 volt DC , with catenary overhead, and the track unlike the old line of the company was standard guage. In 1916 the company sought permission to change a portion of it's Toronto trackage to standard guage to allow through operation of their cars. Although the city was opposed on the grounds that operation of interurban cars on city streets was unsafe, the permission was granted and the changes made. The interurban cars then terminated at Keele and Dundas, still a long distance from downtown.

The delays that plagued construction were not over, even as introduction of regular service approached; several of the cars completed for the company by the Preston Car and Coach Company were destroyed when a fire swept the car building plants,so TSR was forced to restrict its operations to a limited scale for several months. The 59 foot sixty-two passenger cars were of the centre door type ( only), unique in Candian interurba operation. Two 61 foot 9 inch cars were built for tthe line by the Niagara St Catharines and Toronto Railway in 1924.

The line was scarcley finished before the roads parent company, the Canadian Northern, was aquired by the Dominion govt to become a portion of Candian National Railways. The attitude of the latter towards the TSR shifted several times over the next decade. At first CNR was willing to let the road go to become part of the Hydro radial system, but when plans for the latter fell through Sir Henery Thornton( CNR's first President ) became enthusiastic for a time about a system of electric lines in the Toronto area under CNR owbership.He merged the TSR with the unfinished Toronto Eastern, comenced to complete the line and latter refused an offer by the city to purchase the line in 1922 ( would have become part of the TTC ) The line was operated, after 1923 as Candian National Railways, Toronto Suburban District. In 1924 and 1925 a new entrance into the city was built from west of Lambton to St Clair and Keele via a private ROW with an underpass under the CPR.Plans were developed to bring cars downtown to the Union Station over the main CNR tracks. The old Lambton line was sold to the township and operated by the TTC till it's abandonement in 1928.Meanville in 1923 the expiration of the city lines occured and the former city routes of the TSR and incorporated into the new TTC. The Weston line was sold to Weston and York township but was operated as a TTC line until 1948 when it was abandoned due to bus competition.

Opertating deficits appeared in 1921 and continued to build,revenues fell while the exopenses kept edging higher. The operating ratio was 145 by 1925. Thus the TSR was the most unproffitable electric line in Canada. If it had been a private company the plug would have been pulled in 1926 but pressure from Guelph and the other towns on the interurban line kept it going. By 1931 only 300 assengers a day were being carried by the line, all operations were discontinued in that august. All the physical plant was sold off at 25 cents on a dollar so $500,000 was recouped by the creditors. All the cars were given to the NS&T which was also a CNR electric line. Interestingly car 107 made the last run on the TSR and as NS&T's #83 it made the last passenger run on the NS&T in 1959.


Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Rob back to "night owl" schedule, eh[?] The things we do for money! [swg]

Good stuff with your latest Classic Juice - just hope the guyz appreciate your efforts and that some acknowledgments come forth. [tup][tup]

Appreciate the Loonies and I'll send Boris over to The Second National Bank of Mentor Village tin the morning to exchange them for U.S. quarters for Herr Wurltizer der Juke via Coal Scuttle![swg][tup] Any favories you'd like to have played[?] Vito's goons tellers get a bit uncomfortable at the sight of him coming up to the window with a sack of money in his paws hands.[:O]

Most of my pix are of other than railroads and the like. Plus the overwhelming majority from years past are on 35mm color slides and I have no way available to copy them. Additionally, I'm really coming to the end of the line with my personal collection of pix for the Can-Am trainroom, layouts and VIA Rail and Amtrak trips of the past decade. The ones I have Posted over these many Sunday Photo Posting Days! are it. Doesn't look promising unless we get some rejuvenated participation. I've made some direct requests to a couple of guys here at the bar, and also by Email, but haven't met with any success.

Speaking of that - not responding - it is becoming more and more the "norm," which is a dead giveaway for not reading the Posts. Not hard to pick out when reading through what the guys have to say. Someone Posts a question or makes commentary deserving of a response and it goes unanswered. This is what comes of someone Posting - checking out right away - and then not checking what has been Posted when signing in later on. Bugs me.

Appreciate, as ever, the support you give this bar 'n grill. I've checked back through the pages - many, many, many pages - and for but a relative brief absence or two, you and Ted are our most frequent and interactive customers. So when it comes to the term regular 'round here, it really comes down to just the two of you. Seriously - just two over all the time we've been on the Forum. The rest come 'n go, with one or two Posting, but hardly ever recognizing the efforts of others. Bugs me. Kudos to you and Ted once again! [tup][tup][tup]

Okay - enough of my rant - not a good way to prepare to hit the sack, eh[?] I have trouble enough sleeping in this stage of my life without adding to it! <geesh> You'd think I'd learn ......

Okay, Boris RIng the bell for last call - drinks on the house as Leon prepares to close up.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! What better way to start the day than to try some of our pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery with a cup of our freshly brewed coffee. Oh yes, we are now serving <traditional> and <light> breakfasts, check ‘em out on our Menu Board![tup]

See page 208 for the current issue of The Mentor Village
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Daily Wisdom

What time is it? You mean now?. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Tomorrow is the Birthday Bash! for CM3. Stop by during the morning or early afternoon to wish our friend and permanent member of the Order of the Stools a belated [bday] for his 59th!

(2) repeat Sunday Photo Posting Day! returns on January 8th. Let’s make this a successful event through active participation by more than one or two! [tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 00:33:14 (210) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 08:27:12 (210) Daily post

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 09:39:25 (210) reply to coalminer3

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 09:45:24 (210) Inclusive Post, etc.

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 09:58:15 (210) Streamliner #36

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 10:13:03 (210) reply to Theodorebear, etc.

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 10:22:34 (210) Inclusive daylight Post!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 11:53:57 (210) reply to trolleyboy

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 13:34:13 (210) Commentary

(10) rgroeling Chris Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 14:29:26 (210) Nice

(11) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 14:41:23 (210) Inclusive PM Post!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 16:33:08 (210) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 18:03:33 (210) NOSTALGIA #35 – Ad – CNR (1949)

(14) barndad Doug Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 18:32:52 (210) He’s baaaaaaaack! Steam Delights of India, Final

(15) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 Jan 200, 18:59:29 (210) etc.

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 21:29:33 (210) Poem! etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 22:27:58 (210) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Jan 2006, 23:35:19 (211) Classic Juice #14

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 01:03:37 (211) reply to trolleyboy, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and whoever else gets up this early. I'll have 2 light breakfasts please. I'm sorta on a diet again. Great CNR stuff by the way ... but reviewing yesterdays posts, I believe my little poem got missed.

Rob, really enjoyed your post on the Toronto subway system. I've only been to Toronto once, but I sure liked the town and people. I did manage to duck underground for awhile, and was amazed to find a city under the city, loaded with shops and just as clean as the streets above me. Very impressive. As to your question on repairing our damaged Zephyr cars, fund raising efforts are underway, but I have not heard a definitive number as to what the costs will be. A few of our museum workers have been penalized because of the incident, but I don't know what those penalties entailed.

Here's part I of another article I thought might be of interest:

Genius at the Junction of Thomas Edison and the early days of his life with the railroad – by John Uckley …. Rail Classics March 1980

Thomas Alva Edison at the age of fifteen while still working on passenger trains as a candy butcher for the Grand Trunk. Courtesy of Stratford Historical Society.

One mile northeast of the town of St. Mary’s, Ontario, there stands a cut-limestone depot of Gothic design which was built during the year 1859. The depot, which has been abandoned for some time, huddles close to the Canadian National Railway’s single track line extending between London, St. Mary’s, Stratford, Guelph, Brampton and Toronto. This area is known as St. Mary’s Junction. A branch line, originating in the junction, runs southwest through such towns as Lucan, Ailsa Craig, Forest and Camlachie to the St. Clair River terminus of Sarnia.

Many years ago this depot and its associated railroad facilities was known as Stratford Junction on the Grand Trunk Railway. In the early days a six-stall cut-limestone roundhouse of Gothic architecture, with an Armstrong turntable, was situated in the junction. This roundhouse was utilized as a storage facility for the overflow of steam locomotives from the extensive GT repair shops at Stratford, about eleven miles up the line. The roundhouse was demolished by the CNR in 1930. There were also maintenance sheds, cattle pens, a large wooden water tank, and many crudely built houses for Irish construction workers.

All of the above-mentioned information is quaint and illuminating. However, there are many depots and geographical location that could surpass St. May’s Junction and its topography. The great equalizer comes in the form of one name that falls like a cascade of summer lightning over St. Mary’s Junction, giving it an aura of endearing humanity and unique history. The magic words are Thomas Edison.

Yes, the name of a herculean genius, Thomas Edison, is written in the back pages of the history of St. Mary’s Junction. But in this story we will not be speaking of the awesome mental prowess of the mature Edison who invented the electric lighting system, the phonograph, the motion picture camera, the modern storage battery, the carbon microphones for use in telephones, the first practical electric railway and so many other gifts to humanity. What we will see is a brief synopsis of Thomas Alva Edison’s early years and a detailed account of his first important job, that of telegraph operator at Stratford Junction (later St. Mary’s Junction) Ontario.

Thomas Alva Edison was born at Milan Ohio, on February 11, 1847. When he was 11 years old his family moved to Port Huron, Michigan. Young Tom received formal education for three months but left school when his impatient teacher labeled him an unruly dunce. When the Chicago, Detroit & Canada Grand Trunk Junction Railroad was completed and leased by the Grand Trunk system in March, 1858 between Detroit and Port Huron, Tom Edison got a job as a newsboy and candy butcher on GT passenger trains.

Edison set up a printing press in the baggage car of the passenger train and published a newspaper called The Weekly Herald. This was the world’s first newspaper printed on a moving train. It contained local tidbits of news and gossip related to travel accommodations available at various stations, farm market news and advertisements.

Meanwhile, Tom Edison sat up a modern laboratory in the basement of the family home and carried on experiments with various chemical formulas. Edison even established a small laboratory in the baggage car so that he could experiment in his free moments while riding the GT trains between Detroit and Port Huron.

One day the lurching of the train caused a bottle of volatile phosphorous to fall on the floor and shatter, causing a hearty fire in the baggage car. The angry train conductor cuffed young Tom severely about the head, causing some minor ear damage which was further aggravated later on by another such incident. This lead to partial deafness. Later, Tom talked the seething conductor into allowing him to continue working as a news and candy butcher on the train, minus his portable laboratory and chemicals.

One lazy summer day during the year 1862, Edison was at the depot in Mount Clemens, Michigan, waiting for the Grand Trunk mixed train to finish switching boxcars ona siding near the depot. He noticed the three-year-old son of the station agent playing in the gravel on the main line right in the path of the boxcar that was being moved off the siding. Tom ran out on the main line and snatched the young boy out of the way of the oncoming freight car.

The agent, J.U. MacKenzie was very grateful and offered as a reward to teach Edison the fine art of telegraphy. Edison moved in with the MacKenzie family and paid board while he studied to become a first-class telegraph operator. The young man studied hard for five months and assisted the station agent at his office. He even put together his own version of a telegraph key.

Thomas Edison worked for a short time in 1863 at a jewelry and book store in Port Huron. Operating a modest telegraph office and experimenting with electricity in his spare time. His first important employment was obtained when he was seventeen years old in May, 1864. He was given the “night wire” as a telegraph operator at Stratford Junction, Ontario. The hours were 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m., and the rate of pay was set at twenty-five dollars a month.

During the daylight hours, when he was supposed to be sleeping, Edison worked on various electrical apparatus such as a storage battery, as well as other experiment. At night, his duties required he await telegraph messages and signal trains and stations according to the prevalent Grand Trunk schedule. Freight and passenger traffic on the main line between Toronto, Guelph, Stratford, and Sarnia was comparatively light during the hours of darkness. The trackage from Stratford Junction to London are considered the main line.

This paucity of night trains gave Tom Edison plenty of chance to read, experiment or catch up on much-needed sleep. However, the problem was that all Grand Trunk operators had to signal the main office of the central dispatcher at Toronto on the hour, beginning at 9:00 p.m. every night to ensure that they were awake and on duty. Edison had to send the number “6” over the key once every hour between 9:00 p.m. and dawn. The budding young inventor worked out a method of getting around this cumbersome task.

Tom Edison took the station clock and attached a small wheel, with finely cut notches fashioned into the rim. The wheel revolved with great deliberation on the clock. This device, running in complete synchronization and accuracy with the clock, was also attached via wires to the telegraph key. Whenever the clock chimed off the full hour and the wheel had finished a full revolution, the wheel and its wires threw open the key and sent the number “6” over the telegraph line.

This was a foolproof way for Edison to get some sleep and still appear to be wide awake. The difficulty arose when the chief dispatcher in Toronto or the operator in Stratford would try and reach Tom Edison on the telegraph line a few minutes later. There was no response. This was indeed strange.

The district Grand Trunk superintendent went down to the depot at Stratford Junction one evening to investigate this paradoxical situation. Looking into the lighted depot window the official saw the young man sound asleep at his desk with the clock and its associate mechanism sitting near the telegraph key.

The superintendent walked into the waiting room of the depot and then slowly opened the door of the operator’s office and crept in. He eyed the telegraph key that was attached via wires to the notched wheel on the clock. The official assumed it was an alarm that would wake the young man out of his dreams on the hour.

The older man waited and watched nervously as the mechanism swung into operation while the clock chimed off the correct hour. The signal “6” was sent over the telegraph key and Tom Edison continued to sleep serenely. The superintendent grabbed the sleeping Edison and roused him from his tranquil rest. Tom Edison was given a severe tongue lashing on the spot. He was informed that any more infractions of existing company rules would result in his immediate dismissal.

Depot at St. Mary’s Junction


[:I] part II to follow later today [:I]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for Coffee and a Crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #37

KANSAS CITY CHIEF AT&SF Trains 9-10 April 12, 1950 Chicago - Kansas City overnight daily 451 miles 9 hours 30 minutes

The Santa Fe introduced the an overnight streamlined pair of trains between Chicago and Kansas City naming the pair the KANSAS CITY CHIEFS. The new KANSAS CITY CHIEFS began service April 2, 1950. The new trains were not assigned any particular diesel passenger units but simply whatever units were available.

Initially each of the consists operated with a single heavyweight Centennial Club Car. These cars were rebuilt by Topeka shops for the Kansas Centennnial and assigned one each per KANSAS CITY CHIEF consist. The interior of these cars as rebuilt contained Crew Dormitory Space with a small kitchen and Club Lounge area decorated in an 1850's decor. The two Centennial Club cars were soon replaced by lightweight stainless steel lounge cars.
The consists of the KANSAS CITY CHIEFS varied from night to night but it is known that 44-revenue seat leg rest were assigned for those passengers travelling coach. For those passengers traveling first class in the sleeping cars the KANSAS CITY CHIEFS operated initially with prewar lightweight 17-Roomette Sleeping car that was handed doen from the CHIEF. A lightweight streamlined prewar 10 roomette 5 double bedroom "CASCADE" sleeping car was assigned to each consist the only two cars of this type owned by the Santa Fe. A postwar 24 Duplex Roomette Sleeping car of the "INDIAN" series was next in each train. This was followed by a pair of lightweight streamlined "VALLEY" series sleeping cars with 6-Sections 6-Roomettes and 4-Double Bedrooms. One of the latter cars was a through Tulsa - Chicago car in each direction.

CONSIST ONE

3411 Baggage Car

1522 Heavyweight 8-Crew Dormitory Bar 22-Seatr Centennial Lounge Car

2862 44-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2866 44-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

2910 44-Revenue Seat Coach

SURPRISE VALLEY 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE MILLS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

INDIAN PONY 24-Duplex Roomette Sleeping Car

CHINLE 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

KAW VALLEY 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Chicago - Tulsa)

CONSIST TWO

3419 Baggage Car

1523 Heavyweight 8-Crew Dormitory Bar 22- Seat Centennial Lounge Car

2871 44-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

2879 44-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

2877 44-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

PECOS VALLEY 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE SHOALS 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

INDIAN FALLS 24-Duplex Roomette Sleeping Car

TONTO 17-Roomette Sleeping Car

RED ROCK VALLEY 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tulsa - Chicago)

Eastbound KANSAS CITY CHIEF combined with CHIEF beginning Septemebr 1958. Westbound continued to operate as separate train.

In September 1968 the KANSAS CITY CHIEF was discontinued.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

A couple of lengthy Posts - one somewhat inclusive, the other not at all. Way too early for me to digest serious reading - but I will! [tup]

Doug Looks like I missed your Poem Post in the Summary - it has been added. Must have been the lateness of the hour. [%-)] Anyway, nice job!

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[Anonymous]

ALL RIGHT! Hey, some very welcomed "interaction" as of this morning.[tup] Tom, I'll get myself around a Prune Danish and a cuppa Juan Valdez this beautiful Thursday mornin'. Thanks for the response to e-amils, appreciated very much.[^] I love those "Red Birds" after spending a goodly amount of time swaying from the straps but can offer no rationale for them on my "land locked" midwestern Cityscape.[V] I was thinking a viable source of "live" entertainment at the MV Emporium "Gala" would be the "Preservation Hall" traditional Dixieland Band replete with the 5 string Banjo and Tuba would be appropriate for the respective "era" (of the Theatre) and needed employment for these "classic" Elders of Jazz. BTW, booking for CM3's Birthday Bash on the morrow finds the reknown duo of Banjo artist Roy Clark and "Master of the Singing Saw," H. Arthur Kinardley to the "Our" Place orange crate stage.[tup] Enjoy! The Coal Scuttle will be passed around for your generous donations.[:D]

Passengerfan Al, thanks for waking me from my temporary amnesia. I "plumb forgot" about the Appolo and Venus aux. power cars being the transition to the "articulated" section.[:I] Barndad Doug, speaking of the Zephyrs, I surely hope the funds for repairs can be met to get those beauties "up and rolling" again. Ron Johnson (Author) is, no doubt, an artist with prose as Leonardo was with pigments.[^] I would give part of my anatomy to make a such a tour as his. The Stabovitz Poem? Yes, a good attitude if you really like what you see coming "head on."[:-^] I'll stay with "hindsight is always 20-20." [(-D] Rob, great stuff on the woes of the early electric raidals around the area. It would seem the private enterprise venture was doomed from the start. Funny how government "red tape" can paralyze even a viable "Carrier" solution, then come along and "pick up the pieces" for next to nothing, isn't it?[V] Happens all the time and we haven't far to look for it, even today.[2c] Couldn't agree more on the "overhead power feed." "Life is too short" without begging for more "shorts."[xx(] Nick [C=:-)] old Chap, lots'a doings hereabouts that require your many inate "gifts." What are you waiting for, the Scots Guard to "pipe you in?" Gadfey, Boris is despondent and has turned to Hilda and Helga for his ration of massochistic tendencies. "Not a pretty sight!"[:O] Cm3, your wisdom belies your age of 59 years. You aren't, by chance, related to the late Jack Benny are you (39 years)? Okay, that's enough for this installment. Please folks, let's have a rousing Matinee celebration tomorrow for our resident Bard CM3, no matter what age he may claim.[:-^] Right, a round for the early Sots crowd and Boris BRANGGG, see what I mean Nick? [:(!]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Cool and cloudy here this a.m. with maybe some snow later on.

Thanks for the thoughts and kind words re the situation at Tallmansville.

Man, there's a lot of material posted since yesterday.

RDC names (to get us started)

Beeliner - Boston and Albany
Shoreliner - New Haven
Speedliner - B&O
Chessieliner - C&O

A friend's son (back when we lived in Boston) couldn't pronounce Budd Car - and believe me that's pretty much what ran on the B&M when he was a little kid - he called them "Bunners."

I enjoyed reading the material on the Zephyrs - they don't name cars like they used to. I have a question. Was the auxiliary power baggage car used for train lighting? I am guessing that the heating and cooling duties were handled by the locomotive.

Those car names are about as good as some of the ones on the New Haven, Erie, DL&W, and Santa Fe.

Also another fascinating installment on the Indian Railways.

Re the Toronto Suburban Ry. I knew that the omnibuses had wiped out that line; however, is there any trace left of it at all? Or did it go the way of a lot of other operations.

Also enjoyed the post about TAE - He never stopped working. Edison went into the mining business as well - iron mining in New Jersey - an interesting story that is admirably covered in the book Iron Mine Railroads of Northern New Jersey - worth trying to find.

Banjos and a singing saw? Life is full, indeed.

BTW is there a Mighty Wurlitzer at the Emporium Theatre? It would go great to accompany a silent epic such as the "Great Train Robbery." I can see it now, rising out of the orchestra pit with Boris at the keyboard - sort of like the monster's song and dance act in Young Frankenstein.

One interesting modeling note - I see where Athearn is coming out with a 4-6-6-4 in N scale, with sound, yet. So save your loonies, shinplasters, and greenbacks if you want one.

Well, I must get ready for my upcoming birthday - if I can just find the keys to the Maxwell.

work safe

[siberianmo]

Good Morning (again)!

A rousing start by Ted down in sunny [?] and warm FLA. Here 'tis a bit on the gloomy side with temps in the mid-30s (F). No precip forecast, just more of the same 'til a warm front moves in making things more like fall than winter. <ugh>

Appreciate the "booking" for the Elders of Jazzz and their Dixieland enternmaint 'tween flicks on Monday nite at the Emporium! We expect a sell out crowd, and as previously mentioned, the balcony seats are all taken. Many of those folks are undergoing therapy right now in order to get those balky fingers working their "magic" (arthritis dontchano) -one more time down mammory memory lane. [swg]

Thanx for the AM wake up call! [tup]


Oh, before I totally forget: I will be here for tomorrow's kick-off Belated Birthday Bash for CM3 - who just "may" - repeat - "may" reveal his name to us. Anyway, I may then be away until mid-afternoon. I expect there will be sufficient numbers of you guyz to keep things movin' forward in honor of our [bday] celebrant! [tup]



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

G'day CM3!!

Happened again, as I stuck around for a couple of minutes and there was your Post! Otherwise, would have had to wait 'til later on to respond. All one needs to do is hit that "refresh/reload" feature and "wa-la" up they pop! Oh, pity for the technophobes! [swg]

Good stuff in your Post, as always. Yes, yes - The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre is fully equipped with the vesitages of old, including a very handsome and mighty Wurlitzer organ. Also has a dual piano set-up for our silent flicks and of course a full orchestra pit. This is a first class operation rivaling the best of theatres past. As someone far more famous than I once said, "Don't miss it if you can!" [swg][?]

Appreciate the listing of those RDC train "names," however, my memory banks indicate a far longer list. Perhaps it was passengerfan Al who put that together. Nonetheless, thanx - and I'l have to do an advanced search to satisfy my curiosity.

The more I learn regarding the WVA mining disaster, the sadder it gets. The media is having it's typical and expected "field day" with this story, so much so that I'd like to ..... well, time for a visit to The Rat's Patoot Room!

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom, Time for a quick CR and a round for the house have to go bacxk to the office in a few minutes.

Tom this is my list of RDC names.

BEELINER -NYC-B&M
SHORELINER - NYNH&H
SPEEDLINER - B&O
CHESSIELINER - C&O
ZEPHYRETTE - WP
DAYLINERS - CPR - PG&E - BCR
HIGHLINERS - B&M
RAILINERS - CNR
ROCKETTES - CRI&P
New Havens special 6-car RDC train set was named the ROGER WILLIAMS

Santa Fe operated there two RDC-1 oriignally as a SAN DIEGAN schedule and finally as the EL PASOAN.

The majority of the roads simply referred to them as the Rail Doesel Cars.

The Northwestern Pacific when they leased the SP RDC operated it as the REDWOOD.

Hope this helps.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #54

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Your Holiday begins with ”all aboard”

* When your Diesel-Electric Baltimore & Ohio luxury train glides smoothly from the station, you’ll know your holiday has really started. Mile after mile, you’ll enjoy the thrill of modern rail travel . . . the extra measure of pleasure for which B&O is so well-known.

* Outstanding with “holidayers” is the friendly courtesy of B&O people. In big and little services, alike, you’ll constantly enjoy this warm hospitality . . . for courtesy is traditional on the B&O.

* And, when you visit B&O diners, you’re in for a real “holiday treat.” For, B&O is famous for its good food . . . prepared just the way you like it . . . at prices that are reasonable.

* Then, there’s B&O’s record for “on-time” dependability. Not only does B&O strive to make your travel time thoroughly enjoyable but it also makes a special point of seeing that you arrive at your destination on schedule!

* Yes, when you start your holiday with Baltimore & Ohio, the extra measure of pleasure given by such features as friendly courtesy, good food and “on-time” dependability will be proof why more and more travelers say:

NOW . . . AS ALWAYS – The B&O is the Way to Go!

. . . . . . . . . . BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]



REMINDER! Tomorrow (morning and early afternoon) is the Belated Birthday Bash for CM3 Let's not forget our friend on "his day!"

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone. A glass of mineral water will be fine.

I'm caught up in this story out of Sago, West Virginia. It's all just too real.
Impossible to get into the fun & games aspect of this thread at the moment.
We have 24-hour TV news and the Internet. When I was a kid there was 15 minutes of local news and 15 minutes of Huntley-Brinkley. That was about it. Always the newspapers of course. I read the light stuff, the sports, the funnies, TV listings, whatever. My brothers and I had paper routes when we hit 12, so every day we saw the front page before anybody. One day there was a big headline, "Dulles Has Cancer" (Eisenhower's secretary of state). I asked my mother, what's that about, what's cancer? She said it means he's going to die. She knew, she was a registered nurse. Oh, that's too bad, I thought. Slowly I got hooked on newsprint. By the time I was 15, in my mind I was pronouncing the word Vietnam to rhyme with Sam (and still do) because that's the way it looked in print, as it wasn't yet so often pronounced on TV to rhyme with psalm. Bottom line, current events do affect me. I cannot not pay attention.

I wish I could think of something on topic. How about Coal and Railroads? Are there two fields with closer historical links since the Industrial Revolution?

Now let me try to work some "inclusivity" into this dismal post.
Tom, I really liked that wintery picture Carol gave you for the wall, of the train at Morant's Curve, IIRC, and I agree 100% that Rob and Ted are the best.
CM3,everybody is entitled to at least 2 birthdays per year, so have another good one.
Doug, that was a real bright idea on Edison.
John, it's early but let me be the first to wish you a Merry Christmas.
Nick, please post, we can't have Fish & Chips without you.
Mr. Watkins, if you read this, the thing about the Wurlizter Organ for the theater reminded me of you, though we are not acquainted, I've read of your travels far from West Virginia.

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening one and all,first up,a sombre moment of reflection for those boys who didn`t make it back up & perhaps an extra moment for the lad that did,and who will have to live with that for the rest of his days (why me ? )...............................
Well O.K-before we all get too metaphysical,it occurs to me that it is thursday evening,which is by agreed convention Fish & Chips night,therefore it is the house`s pleasure to offer:- Cod,Plaice,Haddock in beer batter,Sole in herbed flour,grilled red snapper,Trout stuffed with mushrooms,Seal Flipper pie & Dublin Bay prawns all with french fried potatoes,cole slaw & a salad bowl...(o.k-it`s a cop-out menu but `i`ve been sort of busy just lately-gotta use up whats in the fridges) right ,gonna check out whats gone before,back in a bit,nick,[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

Just a couple of comments: Nice to see you again, Nick and we appreciate the menu from our Chief Chef [C=:-)] [tup]

Mike Some diverse, but reflective comments from you. They ARE off topic [#offtopic], however to show that we aren't entirely without feelilngs - there will be NO Tweeeeeeets! directed your way. [swg]

The lithograph of Morant's Curve of an original by Max Jacquiard was first seen at a Vancouver, BC art gallery. I immediately felt that this was something "I had to have!" Carol picked up on it [swg] and later arranged for it to be shipped as a gift for me. It is one of my most cherised "keep sakes" and always brings a real measure of pleasure when I look at that scene! [yeah]

My comments regarding Rob and Ted do not necessarily mean they are the "best," moreso they are the most dedicated to what this bar 'n grill has been and is all about as demonstrated by their consistency and content of Posts. They have set the standard for what a "regular" at this bar should be. They Post 7 days out of 7 - participate in the events, contests and banter at the bar, and of course, support the Proprietor. It will be my pleasure to meet them both at our Rendezvous in Toronto!

Later (maybe}! Leon the Night Man takes over the bar in three hours from NOW! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


REMINDER! Tomorrow (morning and early afternoon) is the Belated Birthday Bash for CM3 Let's not forget our friend on "his day!"

[siberianmo]

Special for passengerfan Al

Thanx for the RDC "names" list!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well I`ve just had a wander back through some previous pages and as a result,may I take this opportunity to apologise to one and all for my intemperant language and attitude in a previous post,no excuses permissable,manners maketh the man &so on,my mother would be rightly ashamed of her firstborn
Now then-we have a Sunday posting day approaching,most of what I have to offer is of Welsh narrow-gauge-does anybody have a favourite ?-please let me know A.S.A.P as this is a multi-part adventure requiring capt TOM`S assistance.
My own personnal favourites are: Tal-Y- Lyn no1 approaching Rhydronnen halt,Ffestiniog rly Fairlie making up a train at Portmadoc,Welsh Highland " Funkey " Diesel running round at Waenfawr with the mountain in the background....
---happy spotting to you all,these are all shots that [4=:-)]TOM has been good enough to publish on his site,thank you my friend-P.S-missisnick is looking out flights to Toronto within the envelope,watch out for hippy tourists at the bar !!!!!!!
Christmas is over and done,we are all alittle older & wiser apart from missisnick who is older & wider-whoops,I didn`t say that-happy new year to you all,all the best from your foreign correspondant,nick,[C=:-)

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and friends! I'll have a Killians Red and some of Nick's Haddock dipped in beer batter, please. As for the jukebox, here's another Michigan quarter that I didn't know I had, and please set-up a round for the house. Nice add on the B&O Tom, and in reference to CM3's "real" name .... I just figured his father was CM2. I know that CM3 started the RDC list, but Al did a nice job enhancing it. You both have me confused. Liked your AT&SF Kansas City Chief Streamliner post Al. Terrific stuff as usual. Ted, I can only assume that the fundraisung efforts are going well for our Zephyr. I'll post an inquiry on the Yahoo IRM list to find out what I can. You know, I was told the IRM was offered the Godess consist. All we had to do was get it here .... from Saudi Arabia. Don't know how true this is. Anyhow, I promised the second part of the Edison article today, so here it is:

Genius at the Junction of Thomas Edison and the early days of his life with the railroad – by John Uckley …. Rail Classics March 1980

The Stratford station is a large two story brick structure that sees the passing of many freights and passenger runs each day. This is eleven miles east of St. Mary’s Junction.


Thomas Edison continued to work on his experiments during the daylight hours while sneaking a few cat naps at night. This time there was a difference to the situation. Young Edison arranged with the night yardman at Stratford Junction to awaken him when it was time for his “6” signal to be sent or when a train was due at the junction.

One fateful night Tom Edison received a hurried order to hold an eastbound Grand Trunk freight train. Edison wired back immediately that he would stop the train. Tom scurried out into the darkness with his lantern to find the signal man. Before he could locate the employee and have the correct signal set, the train had clattered past the depot at a moderate rate of speed.

Tom shouted at the engineer, but it was to no avail. He rushed back to the telegraph key and reported to the operator in Stratford that he could not hold the freight train because the order had not come through in sufficient time. The Stratford operator sent back just one word over the wire … “H-E-L-L.” Young Edison knew that the dispatcher had allowed a westbound train to leave Stratford on the assumption that he had halted the eastbound freight train on a yard siding at Stratford Junction.

Horror wrapped its invisible tentacles around Edison’s mind. Two fast moving trains, one eastbound and one westbound, were rushing through the darkness on the single track line.

Tom Edison sprang out of the junction depot and ran at full speed toward the lower station near the junction where the day operator slept. He was hoping he could somehow find a way to stop that eastbound train. The night was partially overcast and the moon was frequently hidden by the churning clouds. The frenzied young man slipped on some rocks and fell into a culvert, knocking himself unconscious.

Nevertheless, the grisly accident was averted when the two engineers in their respective locomotive cabs, saw each other’s approaching headlights on a straight section of track and managed to bring their trains to a jolting stop a few feet from each other.

The next morning Tom discovered that he had a splendid bump on his head and also a cryptic summons to come by train immediately to the office of W.J. Spicer, the General Manager of the Grand Trunk in Toronto.

Later that day Thomas Edison arrived at the office of the railroad official. The young man was informed that his presumed criminal negligence of duty could land him in prison under existing Canadian laws. The General Manager was furious and mentioned five years as a possible term for the youth. Seventeen-year-old Thomas Edison was quaking in his shoes with fear. Edison knew that he was not guilty of dereliction of duty but he could not prove it. The Stratford dispatcher would not defend him. He had his own name and job to protect. It looked as if Tom Edison would soon be made the scapegoat in the affair.

Two English gentlemen walked into the office at this critical moment as part of the international business delegation. They began to engage Mr. Spicer in conversation. Tom Edison took this opportunity to slip quietly out the door and exit the building.

Edison hurried to the Grand Trunk freight station and found a freight train about to leave Toronto with an ultimate destination of Sarnia. He knew the conductor and asked for a ride back to Sarnia. The young man was a nervous wreck on the entire 170 mile trip through Southern Ontario. When Tom arrived in Sarnia, he boarded the ferryboat leaving for Port Huron, Michigan. The ferry glided across the St. Clair River and landed at the United States Port-of-Entry. Edison had left Canadian soil behind him for good.

Thomas Edison did not stay in Port Huron for very long. He spent most of the next five years as a roving telegrapher working for various railroads and also the Western Union Company in such diverse locations as Adrian and Lenawee Junction, Michigan; Fort Wayne and Indianapolis, Indiana; Cincinnati, Ohio; Nashville and Memphis, Tennessee; Louisville, Kentucky; New Orleans, Louisiana; Boston and New York.

There were many misadventures during those restless years. The youthful adversities of the struggling inventor and burgeoning American scientist, endured at Stratford Junction, Ontario, stand out as a unique episode in a career that has become a legend the world over.

A passenger train pauses at St. Mary’s depot, now partly used for passengers and partly used as a beauty shop. Train #666 is led by a CN/VIA GP-9


[:I] Take care my friends! [:I]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just a brief word or two:

Nick send whatever you'd like for inclusion on Sunday Photo Posting Day! - picture ENCORES! by name or additional pix as attachments. ASAP, if you please.

Ship me an Email when and if your Rendezvous plans become firm. [tup]

Doug Real interesting stuff on Tom Edison, Stratford, etc. Love that pix with the RDCs! [tup][tup] Speaking of which - what are you confused about[?]

Thanx for the round and of course the quarters (Itwice today!) [tup][tup] What's with the "Michigan" quarters[?][?]

To clear up any confusion for those who "wondered" about what Nick is alluding to - his comments were really intended for someone else named "Tom" - but as happens, sometimes our fingers "do the walking and talking!" Happens. Your Email straightened it out. [tup]

Okay - Leon has the bar, and Boris will ring the bell for a round on the house!

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom and Leon. I'll nab meself a keith's and a piece of that wonderfull looking Haddock.[dinner]

Tom Thanks for the email, I now fully understand,I'm a bit thick once in a while donchaknow.[;)] Not to worry bout sunday, I have a few new pictures to post. As always glad you liked the latest juice, it seems to have caught some good reviews which is all I ask [tup]

Have you priced a slide scanner for your computer ? i know that both HP and Cannon make good ones,a way to post and save your multitudes of slides. Nice B&O nostalgia as well [tup]


CM3 i'm going to wish you the very happy right niow as I'm working 9 to whenever tomorrow ( last big hurrah inventory time at the store ) gives a new meaning to excedrine headache # 10[:(!][xx(]

Good show on the RDC info between yourself and Al you've made the boss one happy camper. [tup][:D]

To answer your question about the TSR. The only surviving bits are our museum's main line which our founders bought from CN for the back taxes owed. We had to clear the brush and relay all the track and re-blast and mount the poles, when they sold the line off in 1931 they got rid of everything. We have aat the museum two other bits of the old road, a wayshed which was left in Guelph ( a farmer used it till he donated it to us ) and we have the town of Meadowvales shelter, which is in the middle of our east loop with a passenger plateform built up to it. None of the cars survived. In 1959 we tried to save 107 the final run car,our founders went to St catharines to enquire about it in 1959 at the end of service on the NS&T,unfortunatly by the time they got there, CN had already started the scrap process ( in it's case burning as it was a 50-50 wood metal car )


Ted You are so right, govt run items tend to linger in red tape longer than most sane regular businessmen would. The plug really should have been pulled in 1923 but it wasn't. I suppose the private creditors were luckey to get the 25 cent on a dollar they recieved. When you think of it $500K in depression 1931 wasn't too bad a deal.

Nick Good to see you sir. As Ted said Boris is now a happy man thing.Hopefully he does not go to H7H's rub and tug as often now that you are back.

Doug thanks for the Zepher update. I know what it's like trying to raise large amt's in a museum setting. We are still doing our drive to build barn 4, been at it three years, we now have almost the $300K required.

Excellent piece on Thomas Edison as well. Nice to see his Canadian sojourne. So did he ever actually get charged? Stratford and St Mary's are still big railway towns. The CNR built their main Ontario rebuilding shops in Stratford, some of those buildings are still there today. The "Big Shop" as it was called closed in 1961 after doing it's last full steam overhaul on 6218.

Glad that you liked the Toronto suburban story [tup][:D]

Mike I can understand your being caught up in the events of the day. truly awfull heart wrenching stuff. I have to say that you are one of our more inclusive so good for you [tup][^]

Alright that catches me up fer now

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay. now for the "content" bit for today.I;m still in a traction mood <suprise> so I give you gentlemen another installment of the "juice"

CLASSIC JUICE # 15 CANADIAN ELECTRIC CAR & LOCO CO's

This is an inclusive list. In some cases I do not have start and end date for these manufacturer's as some lasted others were there and gone, and yet other's are still around today only are making much different non rail products.

A. C . LARIVIERE

Located in Montreal they supplied the Montreal Street railway with Cars in 1894( later became the railways shops until operations ended in 1959 )

BOMBARDIER INC.

Located in Boucherville PQ, began as a snowmobile manufacturer in 1926. Entered mass transit field in 1974, with the contract to build Montreals subway cars. Aquired MLW in 1975 and Ontario's UTDC ( ex Hawker Siddeley Ca Thunder Bay ) in 1992. Still make transit equipment and coaches today.

BRITIS COLUMBIA ELECTRIC RY

In New Westminister BC, built many of their own streetcars and interurbans in shopsfrom 1897 till mid june 1913, after that they did rebuilding only.

CANADIAN CAR ABD FOUNDRY

Montreal PQ, Formed in 1909 from Canada Car and Dominion Foundry. Built streetcars and regular passenger and freight cars.Sold to Hawker Siddeley in 1964

CANADIAN GENERAL ELECTRIC

Peterbourough On, Cars and Locomotives built for Guelph,Hull,Kingston,etc from mid 1890's

CROSSEN CAR CO

Cobourg Ontario, Built cars from 1893 to after 1900, for Toronto railway co,NS&T Hamilton Radial RY etc.

CANADIAN VICKERS CO

Montreal PQ, Formed in 1911, as a subsidiary of Vickers of England Bult montreal's first subway cars in 1963

GENERAL MOTORS DIESEL

London On, built diesel and all electric loco's since the early 1950's

GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY

Pointe Ste Charles PQ, built electric cars for subsidiary Montreal and Southern Counties RY. 1914-1917

HAWKER SIDDELEY CANADA

Montreal,Thunder Bay- Derived from A>V>Roe aircraft. Bought Candian car and Foundry in 1964 built streetcars and subway cars for the TTC

MONTREAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS

Montreal- Incorporated in 1902 Built steam and diesel locos ( Alco designs )Built subway cars for Toronto in 1962. Taken over by Bombardier in 1975

MONTREAL TRAMWAYS CO

Montreal PQ - Built both cars and loco's at the Youville shops, for it's own and affiliate lines in Quebec.

NATIONAL STEEL CAR CO

Hamilton On - Built interurbans for MS&C ( 1913 ) streetcars for Hamilton ( 1927 ), loco's for Ontario Hydro's construction railway ( 1918 ) built CPR's first diesel (1937 ) and the last interurbans for canada ( GRR # 626 1947 ) TTC trackplows (1944 ) Still build general frieght cars today.

NIAGARA ST CATHARINES & TORONTO RY

St Catharines On - Built cars for self plus other Mackenzie/CNR electric lines( Toronto suburban, MS&C, Oshawa railway ) 1896-1959-did in house rebuilding

NOVA SCOTIA CAR WORKS

Halifax NS- Originally Siliker car Co,Built several Halifax streetcars up to 1915

OTTAWA CAR CO

Ottawa On - Canada's largest car builder,Started in 1892,from Wylie Carriage co,. Lasted until 1947, when it built the kast orthidox streetcar design for the Ottawa strreet Railway.

PATTERSON & CORBIN

St Catharines On - Began as carriage maker in 1874. converted to horse cars to electric cars in the late 1880's.Built equipment using Van Deepole equipment, then built electric streetcars using GE motors in the 1890's. Sold cars widely including the first cars for Victoria but overexpanded and went bankrupt in 1897.

PRESTON CAR AND COACH CO

Preston On - Started in 1908. Built high quality wood cars,but also lead the way in steel car construction.Producing the first steel cars built in Canada. Built railway coaches as well building the TM&O's business cras in 1910. Sold out to JG Brill in 1921 ( built the first 50 Witt's for TTC ) plant was closed in 1923.

RATHBURN & CO

Deseronto On - Produced from late 1880's to 1920's, for Oshawa,Kingston,and possibly other's.

RHODES CURREY & CO

Amherst NS - Built cars for Halifax,Moncton,from mid 1890's to early 20th century.Alsio built railway passenger cars.

ST CHARLES & PRINGLE

Belleville On - Active in the early 1890's,suppliedcars and parts to the Montreal Street Railway

TILLSONBERG ELECTRIC CAR CO

Tillsonberg On- Built large cars( interurbans ) for Windsor Essex
& Lake shore and streetcars for St John NB shortly before WW1, closed in 1917

TPRONTO RAILWAY COMPANY

Toronto On- Produced mostly streetcars ( wooden single and double truck TR cars ) for itself and interurbans for the Toronto suburban and the Toronto and York Radial. 1900-1919

WINNIPEG ELECTRIC CO


Winnipeg MB - Considerable production of streetcars for Winnipeg,and Selkirik & lake Winnipeg Radial cars in the early decades of the 20th century.


Rob

[siberianmo]

Early Morning Rob!

Once again, I heard that trolley sound, awoke with a "start," and came down to investigate! Shuddaknownitwasyou! [swg]

Nice compilation on the Canadian Electric Car & Loco Co's![tup][tup] Whenever I see somethng like that it brings to mind a thought or three ... wonder where those folks who are still living are today[?] So many skilled people with an assortment of talents in an industry that has been substantially diminished over time and ever changing societal demands; trains to planes; trains to automobiles, trains to trucks, and so forth. There's so much to "read" in between the lines ..... [tup][tup]

I'll have to do a bit of checking on those slide scanners you mentioned. Been a couple of years since I seriously looked into it. The way technology moves these days (daze), perhaps a French Maid comes along with the gadgetry to <ahem> assist with the process![}:)][;)][:-,]

Never a dull moment with what you do, eh[?] Prepare for the holiday sales, be there for the holiday sales, inventory what's left from the holiday sales, etc. [wow] With all that overtime, why I'm eagerly awaiting ALL OF THOSE BLUES with my name on them! [swg]

Later![zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! What better way to start the day than to try some of our pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery with a cup of our freshly brewed coffee. Oh yes, we are now serving <traditional> and <light> breakfasts, check ‘em out on our Menu Board![tup]

See page 208 for the current issue of The Mentor Village
Gazette


Daily Wisdom

It was hard to have a conversation with anyone, there were too many people talking. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Today is the Birthday Bash! for CM3. Stop by during the morning or early afternoon to wish our friend and permanent member of the Order of the Stools a belated [bday] for his 59th!

(2) repeat Sunday Photo Posting Day! returns on January 8th. Let’s make this a successful event through active participation by more than one or two![tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 01:09:17 (211) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 06:04:57 (211) Genius at the Junction, Part I, etc.

(3) passengerfan Al 05 Jan 2006: 05 Jan 2006, 07:24:59 (211) Streamliner #37 – Kanas City Chief, AT&SF

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 08:53:53 (211) Inclusive Post, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 08:47:18 (211) Acknowledgments

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 09:26:16 (211) Interesting and inclusive Post!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 09:27:53 (211) reply to Theodorebear, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 09:42:38 (211) reply to coalminer3

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 12:43:41 (211) Named RDC trains

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 12:56:20 (211) NOSTALGIA #54 Ad B&O (1946)

(11) wanswheel Mike Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 17:05:22 (211) Inclusive & reflective Post!.

(12) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 17:55:37 (211) Menu, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 18:32:16 (211) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 18:49:29 (211) For passengerfan

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 18:57:18 (211) Catch up, etc.

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 19:49:20 (211} Inclusive Post & Genius at the Junction, Part II

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 22:02:01 (211) Acknowledgments

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 22:37:36 (211) Inclusive Post!

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 23:31:41 (212) Classic Juice #15

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jan 2006, 01:11:12 (212) reply to trolleyboy

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Belated [bday] coalminer3 CM3!! 59 IS old!


Now, let’s have some fun at CM3’s expense! [yeah][wow]<why not[?]>

PART I of II


West Virginia Crazy Law

• If you wear a hat inside a theater, you may be fined.

• Roadkill may be taken home for supper.

• No children may attend school with their breath smelling of "wild onions."

• Doctors and dentists may not place a woman under anesthesia unless a third person is present.

• It is illegal to snooze on a train.

• According to the state constitution, it is unlawful for anyone to own a red or a black flag.

• When a railroad passes within 1 mile of a community of 100 or more people in it, they must build a station and stop there regularly to pick up and drop off passengers.

• Whistling underwater is prohibited.

Alderson

• One may not walk a lion, tiger or leopard, even on a leash.

Nicholas County

• No member of the clergy is allowed to tell jokes or humorous stories from the pulpit during a church service.

Huntington

• Firemen may not whistle or flirt at any woman passing a firehouse.

• It is legal to beat your wife so long as it is done in public on Sunday, on the courthouse steps.


West Virginia Jokes

West Virginia: One Big Happy Family ... Really!


Q. What do West Virginians do on Halloween?
A. Pumpkin!

Q. Why do ducks fly over West Virginia upside down?
A. There's nothing worth crapping on!

Q. What do a tornado and a West Virginia divorce have in common?
A. Someone always loses a trailer.

Q. How do you know the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia?
A. If it was invented anywhere else, it would have been called a teethbrush.

West Virginia's Statehood

A friend from West Virginia was shopping at the Wal-Mart in Blacksburg, VA. At the cash register, my friend wrote a check. The clerk asked for her driver's license.

She presented her West Virginia driver's license and the clerk grabbed it way from her and scoffed at her, "If you're going to use a fake ID, you could at least use a real state!" A manager was required to verify West Virginia's statehood.


Excerpts from the West Virginia Vocabulary Book

Foreclose
If I pay alimony this month, I'll have no money foreclose.

Rectum
I had two Lexus coups, but my old lady rectum.

Hotel
I gave my girlfriend crabs and the hotel everybody.

Disappointment
My parole officer told me that if I miss disappointment they gonna send me back to the big house.

Israel
Alozono tried to sell me a Rolex watch. I said man this looks fake. He said what a joke that watch israel.

Catacomb
Don King was at the fight the other night, somebody should get that catacomb.

Undermine
There is a fine looking chick living in the apartment undermine.

Acoustic
When I was 11 my uncle bought me acoustic and took me to the pool hall.

Iraq
When we got to the pool hall I told my uncle you break Iraq.

Stain
My mother-in-law stopped by and I axed her do you plan on stain for dinner?

Seldom
Darnell gave me two tickets to the game, and I want to seldom.

Odyssey
I told my brother you odyssey the boobs on that hoe.

Horde
My sister got in trouble because she horde around.

Tripoli
My ol lady wanted a bra for her birthday but I couldn't find a tripoli.

Fortify
I axed the ho how much and she said fortify is the price honey

Income
I just got in bed with Lois and income my wife.


A West Virginian walks into a hardware store and asks for a chain saw that will cut 6 trees in one hour. The salesman recommends the top of the line model. The West Virginian is suitably impressed, and buys it. The next day he brings it back, complaining that it would only cut down 1 tree and it took ALL DAY! The salesman takes the chain saw, starts it up to see what's wrong, and the West Virginian says, "What's that noise?"

West Virginia State Residency Application

Name: ________________
(last)
(first) (_) Billy-Bob
(_) Billy-Joe
(_) Billy-Ray
(_) Billy-Sue
(_) Billy-Mae
(_) Billy-Jack
(Check appropriate box)
Age: ____
Sex: ____ M _____ F _____ N/A
Shoe Size: ____ Left ____ Right

CB Handle: _____________________

Occupation:
(_)Farmer
(_)Mechanic
(_)Hair Dresser
(_)Un-employed
(_)Coal Miner

Spouse's Name: __________________________

Relationship with spouse:
(_) Sister
(_) Brother
(_) Aunt
(_) Uncle
(_) Cousin
(_) Mother
(_) Father
(_) Son
(_) Daughter
(_) Pet

Number of children living in household: ___

Number that are yours: ___

Mother's Name: _______________________

Father's Name: _______________________
(If not sure, leave blank)

Education: 1 2 3 4 (Circle highest grade completed)

Do you (_)own or (_)rent your mobile home?
(Check appropriate box)

___ Total number of vehicles you own
___ Number of vehicles that still crank
___ Number of vehicles in front yard
___ Number of vehicles in back yard
___ Number of vehicles on cement blocks

___ Number of refrigerators on front porch

Firearms you own and where you keep them:
____ truck
____ bedroom
____ bathroom
____ kitchen
____ shed

Model and year of your pickup: _____________ 194__
Number of empty beer cans on floorboard or in bed of
pickup: _________

Newspapers/magazines you subscribe to:
(_)The National Enquirer
(_)The Globe
(_)TV Guide
(_)Soap Opera Digest
(_)Gun World

___ Number of times you've seen a UFO
___ Number of times you've seen Elvis
___ Number of times you've seen Elvis in a UFO

How often do you bathe:
(_)Weekly
(_)Monthly
(_)Holidays
(_)Not Applicable

Color of teeth:
(_)Yellow
(_)Brownish-Yellow
(_)Brown
(_)Black
(_)No teeth
(_)N/A

Brand of chewing tobacco you prefer:
(_)Red-Man

How far is your home from a paved road?
(_)1 mile
(_)2 miles
(_)don't know
(_)can't get there from here

BUMPER STICKERS:
___ Eat more Possum
___ My other car is a piece of junk too
___ Honk if you love Jesus
___ If you ain't a cowboy, you ain't nothin'
___ Red-man Chewing Tobacco

Favorite Recreation: Check all that apply:
___ Square Dancin'
___ Possum Huntin'
___ Skinny Dippin'
___ Craw Daddin'
___ Gospel Singin'
___ 4-Wheelin'
___ Drankin'
___ Spittin' Backy ___ Bill Chip Trowin'
___ Honky Tonkin'
___ Noodlin'

# of Dogs: ___ Type: ___ Blue Tick ___ Beagle
___ Black & Tan ___ Bird Dawg

Cap Emblem: ___ John Deere ___ McCulloch Chain Saws
___ Budweiser ___ Vo-Tech
___ Skoal ___ Coors
___ NAPA ___ Smile if you're Not Wearing Underwear


Happy Belated Birthday! [bday] CM3!!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and Crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #38

WINNIPEG LIMITED GN Trains 7-8 March 1, 1956 St.Paul/Minneapolis - Winnipeg daily overnight 457miles 11 hours 15 minutes each way.

The Great Northern Railway operated a pair of fine overnight consists between the Twin Cities and Winnipeg overnight named the WINNIPEG LIMITED though both the SOO and NP also ran trains between the same cities the GN service was the finest of the three and the only overnight.

The Great Northern Railway WINNIPEG LIMITED was one of those trains that evolved into a streamliner rather than becoming streamlined all at once.

Even though the WINNIPEG LIMITED never operated domes or a streamlined observation it was the finest between those cities.

A typical consist of the period was assigned streamlined head end cars , 48-revenue seat leg-rest coaches handed down from the WESTERN STAR, a PASS series sleeping car a GLACIER series sleeping car also handed down from the WESTERN STAR .

A Canadian National Railway GREEN series sleeping car was operated during the summer months a through car between St. Paul and Vancouver operating in the SUPER CONTINENTAL west of Winnipeg.

The only two cars exclusive to the WINNIPEG LIMITED were the two CLUB series cars rebuilt by Pullman in February 1956 from GLACIER series sleeping cars. These two CLUB series cars retained 8 of their 16 Duplex Roomettes at one end and two of the original 4 Double Bedrooms. The space formerly occupied by the other two double bedrooms and 8 duplex roomettes was replaced by a small kitchenette 12 seat Dinette and twelve seat Lounge area. These two cars were numbered and named 1198 MANITOBA CLUB and 1199 WINNIPEG CLUB and were operated one per consist. With the addition of these cars to the WINNIPEG LIMITED March 1, 1956 the trains were streamlined as follows except for the CN GREEN series cars that changed daily southbound.

CONSIST ONE

504 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

508 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1103 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

248 Baggage Express Car

1129 48-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1127 48-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1128 48-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1199 WINNIPEG CLUB 8-Duplex Roomette 2-Double Bedroom Buffet 12-Seat Dinette 12-Seat Lounge Car

1383 INUYA PASS 6-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment Sleeping Car

1184 CHANEY GLACIER 16-Duplex Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1169 (CN) GREEN BUSH 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(St. Paul - Vancouver)

CONSIST TWO

505 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

502 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1102 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

247 Baggage Express Car

1131 48-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1124 48-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1126 48-Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1198 MANITOBA CLUB 8-Duplex Roomette 2-Double Bedroom Buffet 12-Seat Dinette 12-Seat Lounge Car

1380 SUIATTLE PASS 6-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment Sleeping Car

1183 HUDSON GLACIER 16-Duplex Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1167 GREEN CABIN (CN) 6-Section 4-Double Bedroom 6-Roomette Sleeping Car
(Vancouver - St. Paul)

TTFN AL

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all assembled; coffee, please; round for the house; and $ for the jukebox. We'll play Jean Ritchie's "West Virginia Mine Disaster" this a.m. - seems to be appropriate.

I enjoyed all of the WV material. The law abt. the roadkill is for real. I'll close this post with a true roadkill story a bit later.

The name for "wild onions" is "ramps." These are a truly beastly item that is found throughout the area. Think of an onion on steroids and you'll get the idea. It's a sign of spring when folks go out and dig 'em up and cook them. Local fire departments, ambulance services, etc. have ramp dinners as fund raisers; believe me, you need both the fire laddies and the EMTs after eating them.

Some of you may have heard of Jim Comstock, late publisher of the West Virginia Hillbilly - a splendid example of rapidly vanishing local journalism. Each spring, the story goes, he would add ramp juice to the ink when printing the paper. The paper had a surprisingly wide circulation and was bagged up and shipped via the B&O. The story from one of my old B&O buddies is that they would have to fumigate the mail car after the ramp-impregnated Hillbilly was carried.

Here's something from the WV Professional Engineer's test.

Structural analysis

If the couch and refirgerator load strength of a front porch is exceeded, how many dogs will be killed when the porch collapses?

Winnipeg Limited information was most enlightening. Were the CN cars regularly assigned or did they use whatever was available? It sounds as if they had a two-car set that ran regularly.

Also - b4 I forget - EXCELLENT information on Canadian equipment manufacturers; duly copied, pasted into another file, and archived.

Awhile back we were talking about RDCs and Narragansett race track trains on the New Haven. I got a copy of Peter Lynch's new book, New Haven Passenger Trains for Christmas, and finally got a chance to look at some of it last night. He has a whole chapter on all types of NYNH&H special operations, and there is a nice summary of the Narragansett trains; with photos. One of them is of a NH I-4 with a 14-car race train, and another is of an NH RDC in race track service.

Awhile back, someone was looking for pictures of FL9s - there's lots of them in there, including one of the Merchants Limited with a matched consist (stainless and orange) behind a pair of FL9s - my, my.

Now for my roadkill story. My wife's family, as some may know, is from western New York. Her oldest aunt was driving home from a visit to the old homestead when a deer decided to try and hitch a ride with her.

The vehicle involved was a brand-new Taurus and Bambi took out most of the windshield as she went over the top of the Taurus and landed in the road. Auntie and vehicle wound up in the ditch. It was, of course, snowing.

Anyway, she got out of the car and was standing alongside the road when as she put it, "Some extras from Deliverance showed up." Appearances were deceptive as if often the case, and they stopped to see if they could help. The first question they asked her was "Are you gonna eat that?"

She said, "No," so they gutted the deer, threw it in the back of the truck, and took auntie town to get a tow truck.

I'll check back a little later this afternoon.

work safe

[siberianmo]

G’day!!

CM3 Here are some [bday] Greetings for you from days past … check the dates & times! Seems like you have had quite a rousing entry into age 59!!!

QUOTE: siberianmo Tom
Posted: 29 Dec 2005, 09:49:00




HAPPY 59th BIRTHDAY to coalminer3 CM3!

Birthday Bash scheduled for the morning and afternoon of January 6th (Friday)!

QUOTE: wanswheel Mike
Posted: 29 Dec 2005, 20:35:31

Happy Birthday CM3 and you might as well go for broke on the Coal $huttle now that you're down to your last fifty.

QUOTE: pwolfe Pete
Posted: 29 Dec 2005, 20:56:31

[bday]CM3 as I will not be around for the Our Place bash. Hope you had a good day[yeah]

QUOTE: trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 29 Dec 2005, 22:28:43


CM3 [bday]Greetings allow me to catch a jug of your favourite on your return in the new year.

QUOTE: jlampke John
Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 00:04:43

… it's now 2200 PST. I just wanted to wish CM3 a Happy Birthday while it was still the 29th. [bday]

QUOTE: Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 13:02:29

CM3, I would like to join the others in wishing you Happy Birthday ("real McCoy") and we hope you enjoy the day's entertainment on the 6th.

QUOTE: Trainnut484 Russell
Posted: 30 Dec 2005, 13:09:54

A belated [bday] to CM3.

QUOTE: wanswheel Mike Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 17:05:22


CM3,everybody is entitled to at least 2 birthdays per year, so have another good one.

QUOTE: trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 05 Jan 2006, 22:37:36

CM3 I'm going to wish you the very happy right now as I'm working 9 to whenever tomorrow ( last big hurrah inventory time at the store ) gives a new meaning to Excedrine headache # 10 [:(!][xx(]

Belated [bday] Belated [bday] [tup][tup][tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom and a Belated Happy Natal Day to coalminer3 CM3!

I see there has been a bit of activity regarding our friend from West Virginia these past several days. Unfortunately, some has been rather profound in the grief stricken sense. My positive thoughts (as Capt Tom puts it) go to those who are suffering.

It appears that you have had quite an outpouring of greetings for your birthday, Mr. Coalminer3 (what IS your name?) Anyway, enjoy – the next one puts you into a whole ‘nother category. <grin>

We had a most wonderful time at the resort and should any of you ever have the opportunity to visit Lake Louise, you will immediately understand what I am alluding to. A majestic view – wonderful accommodations and truly a place for a once-in-a-lifetime get away.

I will withhold my “report” for a later Post as we are still putting things away and getting organized, so to speak, for this – my last weekend in the mountains. Alas, I shall be returning to the “grind,” but this will be my finale. Plans have been solidified and once I cut the “ties” to my profession – it will be a return to Alberta, this time for keeps.

Best regards to all for the New Year and I hope to resume contact with you before I embark upon my latest global adventures.

Ah yes, a round for the house, if you please, Capt Tom and of course I’ll stick around just to hear the sound of the bell. Oh, you may have ALL of my Canadian coins – there is a jar full from our trips, so add them to the Juke Jar now called the Coal Scuttle (apt name, indeed!).

BK

P.S. Do my eyes deceive, or has one of the regulars provided a post without mere mention of this celebratory day?

[Anonymous]

Happy- -Happy- -Happy UN [bday] to CM3 on this alleged 59th annual celebration toasting an alias of New England derivation, residing in West "B.G." Virginia and d****d proud of it!, GASP![:D] Tom let us raise our flagons in tribute to our esteemed Colleague who never fails to bring subtle, cultivated mental imagery to "the mind's eye" that is spellbinding for all of us.[tup] Frankly, I don't know of any Eastern State that offers more "raw" natural beauty than W.V. if it weren't for all those abandoned refrigerators, bed springs, pick up trucks, wa***ubs, and gray linens hanging on clothes lines.[#oops] CM3, I trust you approve of the entertainment provided. I had hoped to engage a trio of banjo, singing saw and jew's-harp but we weren't able to find any local talent with sufficient dentition to play the "harp."[:(] The Gals are tastefully sporting their miner's lamp Hard Hats with Bunny Ears and no, those "cotten tails" are not souveniers. Rob (bar Chandler) has provided us with Heidi and Helga, Insp. Clueless, Leon and P.I. Doyle for "Security," so to one and all: "Let the Good Times Roll."[^]

This has been an especially fine day for me with the B. & O. and A.T.SF. Kansas City Cheifs features.[^] Barndad Doug, if I dare a guess as to T.A. Edison's genuine demeanor, it would fall short of his many Biographer's accolades. He fit into that "niche" of self made, ingenious Industrialists with the likes of Henry Ford and so many others during that epoch of U.S. history. His ambition and "work ethic" can never be diminished. Ethics and propriety in business, however, is an entirely different matter. I'm still sticking with: "hindsight is always 20-20"[swg] Nick [C=:-)] Old Chap, I knew you would arise to the occasion with an entrance befitting that of General Wellington's return home from Waterloo.[tup] Glad to see you've made a full recovery from the madness and stress of the holidays.[tup] Oh yes, thanks for supplementing the Party menu with entrees other than the traditional but provencial "fresh Road Kill and Ramps."[:O]

Boris, I hope you have cleared those "bib" overalls, straw hat and red kerchief with Nick and Tom. If not, it's back to the Paw Paw Partch with you.[alien] Once more, [bday] CM3 and many happy returns.