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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, September 15, 2006 7:28 AM
G'day Gents!

The end of the work week (for some) here at the Tavern by the Tracks AND it's been OVER one week since we last saw Rob. <puzzled> Nevertheless, life goes on and thanx to the Posts from BK, Pete & Nick, all wasn't lost yesterday afternoon and evening. Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Good to see Mike kick off the AM - ketchup on EVERYTHING - even ice cream Question [?] <grin> My father, who was a career "merchie" used to call it "red lead" - which of course is a paint-like substance used to prepare metal surfaces for painting - it actually is a rust inhibitor. Anyway, growing up I used to always hear the expression "red lead" and thought that is what ketchup was (catsup, etc.) As a teenager, I asked my "true love" to pass the "red lead" while having breakfast with her at her parents home. This made everyone at the table do a "double take." No one had ever heard of it - and - oh well, that's the story! Thanx for the URLs. Thumbs Up [tup]

Nick Chef [C=:-)] - the train you viewed on your most impressive DVD set of railroading was (is) Amtrak's Cascade. Here's a URL for ya, that will provide some background info -

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_Cascades

They use TALGO (tilt) cars and I've seen the trains in Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington and Vancouver, British Columbia - but never have had the occasion to travel aboard them. Should you ever have the opportunity to visit the U.S. northwest - ride those trains while we still have 'em. The sights are absolutely splendid and you'll not regret the expense. Thumbs Up [tup]

Appreciate the "menu" and hope you enjoyed YOUR cooking!  Dinner [dinner] <grin> Don't know what to say that hasn't already been said regarding our latest round of "Legion of the Lost" members. Surely isn't the same 'round here without Doug in the AM and ROB in the PM - "bookends" of sorts, and sorely missed. Then there's the recent notice from Lars . . . <groan>

I've got a rather long day ahead, so once I provide another "Tom's Blast from the Past" - I'll be elsewhere. Remember - Ruth takes the bar at 9 AM - then Leon at 5 PM 'til closing! Thumbs Up [tup]

Boris - "spiked" OJ for all -and of course, ring the bell!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, September 15, 2006 9:04 AM

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.  We’ll play some CCR first, “Green River,” followed by “She Got the Ring and I Got the Finger,”  and last (for Boris) “19th Nervous Breakdown.”

 

Tom: Enjoyed the GN material.  When I lived in Nashville, I “railroaded” now and then with a fellow who had family in North Dakota and rode the “Builder” at least once a year to see them.  He was my introduction to Rocky’s Road.  It lived up to advance billing when I got to ride the “Builder” a few years later.  My son puts ketchup on everything (except breakfast cereal and he’s trying to figure out a way to do that) – I told him if he did, he’d be eating out on the back porch with the K9 Korps. 

 

The read lead story was a good one as well; at least you didn’t say pass the !@#$ butter. 

BTW, I remember telling somebody underground one time to make something “fast” to another piece of equipment; we stopped everything for simultaneous translation.  Did you ever tell someone to “tunk” an object, or how about use just a “dight” of grease on a fitting?  All fine NE expressions.  Remember, a “gam” is not just a leg, and “skin to skin” is not what it sound like, either.

 

Mike: Wonderful URLs; they always set me going and recalling stuff when I look at them.

 

I especially enjoyed the items showing the P&R locomotive as well as the UMRR equipment.  An excellent book on Civil War railroads is titled Victory Rode the Rails.  You might enjoy it.

 

I recall mentioning Burnside’s horse in a piece I posted awhile back re Providence and the NYNH&H.  The south end of his horse is the first thing one saw upon exiting the old station in Providence.  I was looking at the picture and speculating on how that piece was aimed.  He was a pretty decent corps commander but an abject failure as an army commander.  Some of my ancestors fought under his command during the “recent unpleasantness.”  He had a strong connection to Rhode Island although he was originally from Indiana.  Those of you who are interested in weaponry may recall that Burnside  had a design for a repeating rifle which he went bust trying to manufacture.

 

The FTs in the Montana shot are the demonstrator units.  Dark green with dark yellow livery.

 

NYC 25 and 26 generally met near Buffalo, not necessarily in the station.  Anyway a classic picture in the best sense of the word.

 

Pete:  Thanks for the wide-ranging comments.

 

Nick: Last but not least.  I assume we save the Birney trolley for the weekends?

 

Herewith some Reading material.  I like to sort locomotives by date as it gives us a better picture of what was going on

 

 

Reading Company  

Diesel Locomotive Summary – By Date

 

r/n

Bldr.

Model

Date

Notes

98

AGEIR

 

1926

Orig. RDG 50; scr. 1949

99

AGEIR

 

1928

Orig. RDG 51; scr. 1954

10-15

EMC

SW

1937

r/b to SW900m’s

40-41

ALCO

HH900

1937

Scr. 1962

16-18

EMC

SW1

1939

RDG 17 scr.

97

St. L-FM

 

1939

Orig. RDG 35; scr. 1953

60-70

BLW

VO660

1939-1942

1

19-22

EMD

SW1

1940

RDG 20-21 scr. 1975

71-89

BLW

VO1000

1940-1944

2

50-52

ALCO-GE

S1

1940

Scr. 1964

90

EMD

NW2

1940

 

53-54

ALCO-GE

S1

1941

3

23-24

EMD

SW1

1941

 

91-92

EMD

NW2

1941

RDG 91 scr; 92 ret. In 1975

55-59

BLW

VO1000

1944

4

250 a,b -259 a,b

EMD

FTA

FTB

1945

Tr. To EMD for GP30s

42-47

ALCO-GE

S2

1946-1947

5

26-39

BLW

DS4-4-1000

1946-1947

6

101-104

EMD

NW2

1947

7

260-265a,

260-265b

EMD

F3A

F3B

1948

Tr. To EMD for GP35s

300-305a,

300-305b

ALCO-GE

FA2

FB2

1948

Tr. To ALCO for C424s

304-305b sold to ALCO for L&HR

700-729

BLW

DS4-4-1000

1948-1949

8

266-283a

266-271b

EMD

F7A

F7B

1950

Tr. To EMD for GP35s

900-905

EMD

FP7A

1950

 

530-554

560-563

576-589

BLW

AS16

1951-1953

9; all scr. By 1969

 

Notes

 

1.             RDG 60 blt. In 1939; RDG 61-63 blt. in 1940; RDG 64-67 blt. in 1941, RDG 68-70 blt. in 1942.  RDG 60 scr. 1961; RDG 61-70 r/b to SW900m’s in 1961, r# RDG 1501, 1505, 1506, 1504, 1502, 1507, 1508, 1503, 1509 and 1510.

2.             RDG 80-81 blt. in 1940; RDG 82 blt. in 1942; RDG 71-75, 83-85 blt. in 1943;  RDG 76-79, 86-89 blt. in 1944.  RDG 72, 76, 77, 79, 82-87 scr. RDG 71, 73-75, 78, 80-81 r/b to SW1200 m’s, r# RDG 1712, 1704, 1703, 1705, 1707, 1702, 1701, 1713 and 1714.

3.             RDG 53 sold to W.A. Smith.

4.             r/b to SW1200m’s in 1959; r# RDG 2706, 2708, 2711, 2710, 2708

5.             RDG 42-45 blt. in 1946, RDG 45-47 blt. in 1947.  RDG 42 and 43 sold in 1964 to Republic Steel; r# 337, 338; RDG 46 and 47 sold to Republic Steel;  RDG 44-45 scr.

 

6.             RDG 34-39 blt. in 1946; RDG 26-33 blt. in 1947.  RDG 26-27, 30-39 tr. To EMD in 1966 for SW 1500’s; RDG 28-29 sold to P&BR r# P&BR 360-361.

7.             RDG 101-102 sold to PNC in 1974; RDG 103, 104 sold to A. Merrilees.

8.             RDG 700-714 blt. in 1948; RDG 715-729 blt. in 1949.  RDG 700-715, 717-729 scr. 1969-1970; RDG 716 scr. in 1975.

9.             RDG 530-550, 560-563 blt. in 1951; RDG 576-579 blt. in 1952; RDG 551-554 blt. in 1953.

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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, September 15, 2006 1:42 PM

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please RUTH after the great feast Chef [C=:-)]NICK prepared last night.

NICK Liked the "Light Pacific" comment.Thumbs Up [tup]. The regulars at Our Place would surely enjoy the 5 inch models in Pickering.Mike has posted a great link to a British web-site with preservation scenes, any idea where Jinty 47383 is in the photo on the siteQuestion [?]. I think I know the other locations.

Shock [:O] will the Zepplin ever be the same with BORIS and his new friend aboardQuestion [?],lets hope than can locate ROB.

MIKE Great old photos in the linksThumbs Up [tup]. Many thanks to the British link.It was great to see Mallard running, she done very few trips  when she was put back in steam as a 40th anniversary of her record run in 1938. A great photo of the three A4s at York. The one in the middle which was acting as long scrapped sister SILVER LINK the first of the class, is actually #60019 BITTERN which is due to return to steam soon.

Good pics of the Tanfield Railway with the great industrial locos. it really is like stepping back in time when you visit there, with the 150 year old engine shed. I have found a link to the railway.

 http://www.tanfield-railway.co.uk/PostNuke/index.php

CM3 It looked like the Reading Company was an early user of diesel traction. who was AGEIRQuestion [?].

Its amazing how the expressions vary in different parts of  the country refering to workshop terms and different pieces of equipment. Just 40 miles from where I lived in England, in the Black Country it was like going to another country.

TOM.I remember the red lead, the red primer paint we used was called 'Bradford Red'. it was a great paint but I think it has been banned now.

Very interesting link to the Amtrak Cascades, they look stylish trains. I guess the structure on the first car behind the loco on the cars roof is to help cut down wind resistanceQuestion [?].

Well as the weekend is nearly here I'll have another and a round please RUTH.   

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, September 15, 2006 3:13 PM
G'day Gents!

Appears the Cyber-Gremlins are at work - this WAS Posted earlier today . . . . haven't a clue where it 'went' . . .


Tom's Blast from the Past!
from page 143 . . .


PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA # 11

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains


NOW . . . A Complete RECREATION CAR

Especially Designed for Your Pleasure

In daily service on The Jeffersonian, popular all-coach streamliner between New York and St. Louis!

A dramatic highlight in Pennsylvania railroad’s new equipment program, this colorful new recreation car provides amusement and entertainment for all ages. A luxurious game and reading lounge . . . a children’s playroom . . . a sunken buffet lounge . . . miniature movie theatre – pleasure with variety. Be among the first to enjoy it! Reserve a seat on The Jeffersonian on your next trip!

SO ROOMY AND RESTFUL – the new overnight coaches on The Jeffersonian. Only 44 seats to the car – and all reclining! You’ll like the new lighting too – fluorescent, 4 times brighter but easy on the eyes. New-type air-conditioning adds still more comfort.

EXTRA LARGE MODERN WASHROOMS, one for women, one for men at the end of each coach – handsomely decorated – with 3 glistening washstands and 2 toilet annexes.

Enjoy these New Features at Low Coach Fares!

THE JEFFERSONIAN

. . . . . . . . . . Westbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. New York . . . . . 6:15 P.M.
Lv. Philadelphia . . . 7:43 P.M.
Lv. Washington . . . 6:20 P.M.
Lv. Baltimore . . . . . 7:05 P.M.
Lv. Harrisburg . . . . .9:42 P.M.
Ar. Columbus . . . . . 6:46 A.M.
Ar. Dayton . . . . . . ..8:21 A.M.
Ar. Indianapolis . . . .9:27 A.M.
Ar. St. Louis . . . . . .1:50 P.M.
. . . . . . . . . . Eastbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. St. Louis . . . . . . 1:00 P.M.
Lv. Indianapolis . . . . 5:07 P.M.
Lv. Dayton . . . . . . . .8:13 P.M.
Lv. Columbus . . . . . .9:35 P.M.
Ar. Harrisburg . . . . . 6:51 A.M.
Ar. Baltimore . . . . . . 9:23 A.M.
Ar. Washington . . . .10:10 A.M.
Ar. Philadelphia . . . . .8:52 A.M.
Ar. New York . . . . . .10:25 A.M

Recreation car facilities available to Baltimore and Washington passengers between Harrisburg and St. Louis.

PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . Serving the Nation . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, September 15, 2006 5:02 PM
G'day Gents!

Ruth, set 'em up and give the boyz at the bar a drink on the house! Boris, ring the bell! Thumbs Up [tup]

Been a long day for me and much longer for those of you bringing home the bacon, eh Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Always nice to hoist a tankard to the beginning of a nice weekend's relaxation! Thumbs Up [tup]

CM3, aside from the typical quality material you provide us - HOW did you manage to get those columns so perfectly aligned with this &#$^$ new format Question [?] Question [?] PLEASE share your technique!

Pete - another fine inclusive Post from you and it surely seems that we have wound down to a very few customers these days. Seems like just yesterday when there was so much activity and eagerness to get this place back to the top of the page . . .  Anyway, always good to see ya again! Thumbs Up [tup] Thanx for the URL, by the by!!

Appears as if the red lead reference picked up a bit of interest . . . in "my day" sailors used that expression quite a bit. Seemed as with the passing of time, it faded . . . ya know, like iron men on wooden ships and all that! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] With regard to pass the &#^#% salt - oh boy, that would have been a disasterous thing, indeed! Heard about guys saying such things after returning home from long stints at sea - or deployments - and bringing their "salty" language with them. Always good for a laugh - providing of course they weren't at YOUR house! <grin>

Wish one and all a great weekend and see ya when the wind shifts!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:15 AM

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have a light breakfast please before hitting the door for another Saturday of work. Only been able to to some rudimentary cathing-up on the doings here, but I'll get through it all soon enough. To answer Pete's almost week-old question, yes, the Woostock station is primarily used as a cafe, and a place to excape inclimate weather. No tickets are sold there. There are only a dozen or so Metra trains that stop in Woodstock each day, and there is only one other station further northwest (Harvard) on the Metra northwest line. The UP runs along the same rails. I have no idea how frequently. Very appropriate posts on 911 day (loved the 1949 Freedom train), and some very excellent efforts on the KCS theme gentelmen. I'll get the little bit I have on that line posted later today. I was particlulry impressed with Mike's post, who obviously spent a loooong time putting together his submission. Thumbs Up [tup]. Everyone here has been very supportive of my absence these days, and I thank-you all for that.  Here is an ENCORE from my humbled self, and I will be back!

Setouts and pickups by W.F. Knapke – Aug 1935 Railroad Stories

 

Among the many things vastly improved by the railroads since they were first used are torpedoes – “guns” or “caps” to the boys on the road. The first one I ever saw was crudely made of paper and sealing wax, with no means of fastening it to the rail. You laid it on the rail, slapped a little mud on it to make it stick, if there happened to be any handy, and if there wasn’t, you trusted to luck.

Then the railroads invented a new kind of tar-dipped torpedo. Through a hole in it a wooden peg had to be pushed into the opening of a rail joint. But since only one space in ten would match up with the peg, the idea wasn’t so hot.

After that came the round, tin-box kind, with lead straps to clamp to the rail. Next the “turtle back,” much the same, but larger and rounder. Some of them had steel springs instead of lead straps. When one of these “wheel busters” exploded, hunks of tin and gravel were scattered for yards. After a number of men visited the company sawbones to have debris removed from their anatomies the present fiber case was developed, and the gravel omitted from its contents. The new ones are just as loud, and they’re a lot safer.

During the time of the steel spring variety, some unsung genius invented what was known as the torpedo fork. The device was much like a four-pronged pitch fork, with the space between prongs Nos. 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 a little wider than the head of one rail. To use it, you put a torpedo between 3 and 4. Then you reached over the rear caboose railing and let down the prongs so they straddled the rail. When the torpedo hit the rail head, the springs were loosened by the impact and caught on the rail.

* One of the few things in common used by the railroads which does not have a nation-wide slang name is the fusee. Once in a while it is referred to as a “torch” or “candle,” but they are rare. Moreover, fusees have undergone a few changes. There used to be certain types, such as the ”fifteen-minute,” which burned red five, green five, and white five minutes (back in the days when green was caution and white meant clear). But, of course, they are no more. There used to be the five-minute red fusee, for use on the freight trains only (don’t ask me why). Somewhat different was the type with a cap in its head, and which you banged down on the rail to light it. This was fine unless the rail was wet, when you lit it with a match if you could. But outside of these freaks, fusees are about the same today as they always were.

* Once a crew overlooked their orders, two engines smacked each other on the nose, and the “big hook” came to pick up the pieces. Among the pieces was the tank of one engine, too damaged to proceed on its own trucks, with its flare board ripped along the seam joining it to water compartment. It was loaded on a flat car, but darkness had fallen by the time the wrecker was ready to return to the terminal, where, upon its arrival, the entire train was shoved on a track close to the back shop.

Later the same night a passenger train sped over the same track. The postal clerk was alert to catch the mail sack from its crane, and he swung out his catcher. Nothing on the crane.

“Doggone sleepy-headed postmaster,” muttered the clerk, “wonder he wouldn’t wake up and get on the job.”

But when the second, third and succeeding cranes were passed and there were no mail sacks on any of them, the clerk got busy on the telegraph wire, and a little later operators were awakening track walkers and sending them out along the right-of-way, searching for the missing mail.

In spite of a diligent and continued search, the pouches were not found, and the mystery of the missing mail sacks bade fair to go down to posterity. But a couple of days later an employee passing between the wall of the back shop and wrecking train looked up, and there were the missing mail sacks, all nicely wedged between flare board and body of the damage engine tank. The flare board had evidently bent out from vibration, or was not noticed when it was loaded, and stuck out enough to gather in the mail very neatly.

  • The skeptical old-time hoghead had been inspecting one of the new streamlined trains, and was telling the fireman and brakeman about it. “Yes, siree,” he said, “you never saw so many gadgets and thing-a-majigs in your life as that car has. But the thing that took my eye was a visular-auricular engineer’s speedometer. From the time she starts, up to seventy-five miles an hour, a little light on the dashboard burns green. Then from seventy-five to ninety-five it shows yellow, and from ninety-five to one hundred and ten it goes to red. Over that a music box begins playing, “Nearer, My God, to Thee!”
  • One of the old-time curses of the trainmen’s lives is pretty much a thing of the past – the job of re-brassing hot boxes. With our present long-fibered wool waste and more regular oiling of journals, there isn’t one now when there were formerly twenty. And if it dies become necessary to re-brass, seldom is there a call for an odd size. A few years back, to look in the caboose locker, where the brasses were kept, was like looking in a misplaced brass foundry.
  • At least fifteen to twenty sizes, sorts and shapes were carried to fit the many different journals in use. Some of them would look very *** nowadays. There was a “rocker” brass, which had a rounded back, but a grooved ridge or “saddle” crosswise in the center. And the wedge was a flat plate, with a rib projecting down. The rib rode in the groove on top of the brass, and thus centralized the weight, so one end of brass would not have undue pressure. The “emergency” brass was designed to fit any journal. It was a square block, one side of which was partially curved, and it was so soft it would quickly wear to a bearing regardless of the journal diameter. There were many, many, and the job of putting any of ‘em in was and is a pain where it hurts most.

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:44 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday


Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1963 advertisement in my personal collection. First Posted on page 209


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Sail away

to Europe in a Canadian Pacific White Empress. Come aboard at Montreal, and discover a 1000 miles of beauty as you sail up the St. Lawrence, past Québec’s historic Château Frontenac and on to Greenock and Liverpool.


Ride away

to the Canadian Rockies aboard Canada’s only scenic doomed streamliner, “The Canadian.” Discover 2,881 miles of spectacular scenery along the Banff-Lake Louise route as you cross Canada in streamlined comfort.


Hide away

at Banff Springs Hotel a mile high in the Canadian Rockies. You’ll enjoy gourmet food, gracious service. And you’ll find golf, tennis, swimming, fishing – every resort facility. Open May 31 to September 14.


Holiday all the way with
Canadian Pacific

Trains/Trucks/Ships/Planes/Hotels/Telecommunications. WORLD’S MOST COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM


Enjoy!


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:55 AM
G'day Gents!

Saturday morning - sleep a bit later - leisurely start to the day - read through the paper (aka: bird cage liner) - catch up on this 'n that - ahhhhhhhh, sounds like EVERY day to me (except the sleeping part  - reveille 'round here is 5 AM, Mon - Fri). Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Saw the petrol price dropped again up at "Collusion Corner" to $2.16 (rounded) - didjaeverthink you'd be satisfied at two bucks per gallon for the stuff Question [?]

Been spending far too much time reading the grim news reports from just about all corners of coverage. This group is offended by that group - these people are H-bent on killing those people - the President is this 'n that (depending on which side of the political landscape one is on) and the polar ice caps are melting away (don't buy that seashore property!). Woe is me and it never seems to get any better - PLUS we are only months away from those "mid term elections" where we will be inundated with all kinds of appeals to vote for him or her and do so because the opposition  is a *#$&#% and so forth. Methinks spending the time here is far better and sooooooooo much less stressful! Yeah!! [yeah]

Pete - that reference "AGEIR" you questioned from CM3 - means: Alco, General Electic and Ingersoll-Rand, who entered into a manufacturing agreement to build the first diesel rail locomotives in North America. Check out this URL for additonal info . . . http://www.cnwhs.org/ageir/ageir.html

Doug - I see that things are no less consuming for you these days. Fortunately, insofar as the bar is concerned, we really haven't amassed the backlog of days gone by, so it really shouldn't be too difficult to catch up. Hope it is soon as we miss your visits and info . . . Thumbs Up [tup] Thanx for the ENCORE! and there's always a place for ya at the bar! Thumbs Up [tup]

BK - regarding your comment on the previous page regarding those who drop by and so forth: Yes, it IS indeed a continuing "thing" one that can be rather frustrating. I have no answers - for it just seems that so many who visit the Threads do so in such a haphazard manner - no thought given to trying to find out what the subject matter is, who the "players" are, and so forth. Always reminds me of one who walks into an establishment and begins talking before realizing he is in a funeral home! Go figger!

CM3 - A continuing THANX for resuming your morning time slot. Really enjoy what you have to say and it also helps a great deal in keeping us "alive" and moving forward! Quarters and rounds most appreciated! Ka-ching - Ka-ching. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Okay, boyz - that's about it for me. Hope y'all have a wonderful weekend and be seein' ya at the bar!

Ruth - set 'em up,


Boris ring the bell - drinks on Da Boss!

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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:51 AM
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Ruth my deAH, you are looooooooooookin' goooooooood - as always. That radiant glow - ah - well, anyway, a bit early for a "brewski" so I'll settle for one of those mugs of "Joe" with whatever you put in it to make in "interesting" for my "bookend" BK!! And a round for the house - Boris, ring it!

And I hope this is a good day for one and all . . . things around here have simmered down a notch, hardly without concern - but let's just say, stablized.

Not that much activity since my last peek (Sep 13th) but some quality material from the few "core" group remaining. Speaking of which - has anyone heard from trolleyboy Rob Question [?] A bit unusual isn't it for him to just disappear from view Question [?] Guess it's time to make a "bed check." Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Tom - I like the idea of your "Blasts from the Past!" during the week. They fit in nicely when things are going slow -as they've been - and of course keep us all refreshed with what this site is all about - "classic trains"! Thumbs Up [tup] Noticed that things over on "your other thread" have really died down too - sorry that I haven't been of much help lately. Also, the flurry of activity on the "Canadian Passenger RRs" pretty much fizzled once the guy from the UK left for his Via Rail trip. I'm not sorry - in that one of the JOs who I think helped kill the thread many months ago, returned with his "message." <arggggh> Still think what you did in providing so much helpful info to that fellow in the UK should at least be "rewarded" with a visit here. Wonder . . . . .

BK, your commentary on the copyright stuff, along with what CM3 alluded to, pretty much fits into my own thought pattern. But it is over now and jsut have to ensure that no toes are being trampled on. Crazy to think that anything can or will come of it. As a matter of fact, there are so many sites out there, with so many copies of copies and so forth, how could or would one begin to track precisely where and when the infraction took place - if an infraction indeed did take place! Question [?] Utterly confusing to me and the bottom line is and should be - if you don't want your imagery used by others - don't post it in the ether! Plain and simple. Tom doesn't put an caveats on all of the fine photos he has provided to one and all - and there are others that do the same. Appreciate your support, "bookend" of mine! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Got a kick out of the suggestion from Dave about the "critter compound" and we should try and identify a source for something like this. Great idea - and with a thousand smackers in the bank from Dave - it's a good start! Thumbs Up [tup] (Don't suppose it's "hot" money????)

Can you believe that the top two baseball teams in the major leagues are from the New York - the Mets in the National League East and the Yankees in the American League West. Who wuddathukit on opening day Question [?] Roll on guys - roll on. See ya in October! Thumbs Up [tup]

Got some pretty heavy stuff up at Yankee Stadium today and tomorrow - two day-nite doubleheaders against the BoSox. Fortunately for Joe Toree and his gang, the Yanks have such a commanding lead that I'd say it really doesn't matter at this stage . . .

Caught a blurb in one of the papers where there's an attempt in place to purchase the Pittsburgh Penguins for a move to Hamilton, Ontario. Now that's an interesting thought. Always figured that Canada would and should be the place to support the NHL. Pittsburgh has had a shot - they had some great years - but we all know the bottom line is money. So - why not? Would be a great rivalry for the Maple Leafs and perhaps restore a bit of mending to the loss of the Nordiques to Colorado and the Jets to Phoenix. Gotta watch that Canadian fragility when it comes to their national passtime! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Also noted there was a freight train derailment in Illinois - somewhere close to St. Louis Question [?] - anyway it was reported as an Illinois Central train. Weren't they purchased by Canadian National Question [?] Of course they were - I know that!! Anyway, this was the 2nd rather extensive derailment and I'm wonderin' if it happened on the same route Question [?] If so, then perhaps CN better take a closer look at keeping those tracks inspected and in good repair. I'm sure there's more on the "net" for anyone interested . . . .

Haven't found anything "worthy" for an Encore presentation from me (yet) - so, let me just sit over there by the window and watch the passing trains . . . .

Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:03 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #52 -
first Posted on page 209


Here’s something to enjoy regarding the General Motors Electro-Motive Division from a 1948 advertisement in my personal collection.

The colorful recreation car on The Jeffersonian, Pennsylvania Railroad all-coach streamliner, provides a luxurious game and reading lounge, a children’s playroom, a miniature movie theatre and a sunken buffet-lounge. The Jeffersonian is in daily service between New York and St. Louis. It is provided by a General Motors locomotive.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLAY AS YOU GO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


You get more fun out of the pleasures today’s travel affords when you train is powered by a General Motors Diesel locomotive.

For then you travel with a new smoothness – and a new speed, too. Often, on the straightaways, your train will top 100 miles an hour.

General Motors locomotives have also brought a new cleanliness to travel - no smoke and cinders to mar your appearance; no clouds of steam to mar your view.

For years General Motors locomotives have held the records for on-time arrivals.

It is easy to see why 197 of America’s finest, fastest name trains are headed by General Motors power.

Easy to understand why better trains follow General Motors locomotives.


. . . . . . . . . . ELECTRO-MOTIVE DIVISION . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . GENERAL MOTORS * LA GRANGE, ILL. . . . . .

. . . . . Home of the Diesel Locomotive . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom Captain [4:-)]Pirate [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:16 PM

Good afternoon Tom and the rst of the gang. time for a CR and a round for the house.

Move completed still will take some organizing but have more than double the space.

Donated several boxes of raw data to Railroad museum after placing it on CDs so much more compact and easier to stare.

Should be back on line next week from home soon as the tech comes out.

Have beeen reading the forum nice to see the return of several.

As to todays topic just mention those three ACF built recreation cars after their PRR service went to the Ice Follies where they were converted to tunnel cars for further service and I believe they are still in that service today.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:19 PM
G'day Lars!

Good to see ya back at the bar - hope you'll be able to resume a bit of "normalcy" at home and here! Thumbs Up [tup] Ruth - give the man one on me! Thumbs Up [tup]

Looks like the rains have played havoc up your way with the baseball schedule - two doubleheaders in succession - and day/night at that - makes for looooooooooooooong days! However, given the 'average' remuneration for these pampered and very spoiled young men - no sympathy from Moi!  And in case any of you have forgotten just where one can find "sympathy" in the dictionary - it's between S - - t and Syphillis! <grin>

The derailments over in Illinois did take place on CN right-of-way, formerly that of the IC. The most recent events were on different main lines as I understand it. CN, according to what I've learned, is operating very loooooooooooong trains these days, as are the remaining US roads - perhaps an indicator of more problems ahead. We'd need someone with far more expertise than mine to shed some light onto this . . . . too bad those guys with the RR backgrounds who have "popped in 'n out" don't seem to maintain the interest level we have and share some info with us . . .

The Penguins in Hamilton, eh Question [?] Well, that would most probably tickle trolleyboy Rob's fancy quite well, as Hamilton is a hulluvalot closer to where he lives than Toronto. I'd like to see it happen too. I'm still not happy over the Nordiques moving along with the Jets. Kinda ticked me off then and still bothers me. Now that the value of the Canadian 'buck' is close enough to ours, they can't use that excuse too much. Now, support - in terms of attendance, tax relief and infrastructure - well that's a totally different matter. Hamilton Penguins!




Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeet! Winging! Winging! Two minutes in the box . . . <grin>

Okay - only can take so much levity in one weekend!


Whoa - just caught the return of passengerfan Al to the bar! And he bought a round Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]  Good news - sounds like we'll be seeing more of him come next week. Great to see ya again, Al! Thumbs Up [tup]

See ya fer sure tomorrow . . . .

Tom
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:54 PM
Good Saturday one and all...The left coaster has returned from the legion of the lost..All you can eat buffet day? Shucks, make it a house draft.....Afternoon barkeep, gals and critters.

Ok, down to business:

Tom:

Good question you posed of me addressing Rob in my last post...strange, I feel a certain kinship with him, even when he is not present...Could we have been seperated at birth??? Inquiring minds want to know....
Great job with the GN and Pennsy coverage. Their league shall never pass this way again..

Red Lead brings back memories of grandad when he worked for the Navy Yard in San Diego, somehow he obtained several gallons of the stuff and while intoxicated, proceeding to repaint his 1967 Buick regal in the goo with aid of roller, brush and several equally intoxicated indvidules!!! Had a devil of a time disposing of that car after he passed away, but i'll tell you it didn't have a speck of corrosion!!!!

Mike:

Appreciate the Seaboard and Butte Street URL's. It might be of interest to some to know that Butte Street survived after abandoment of the PE. SP removed the overhead in 1964 and it continued to serve as a important interchange yard until the early eighties..Changing traffic patterns, the flight of local industry, overaged facalities and constriction caused it to be abandoned along with Taylor and the Cornfield when SP suspended operations in Los angeles...


Buddkarr:

I'm forbidden to travel to Scottland, see, I once knew this adorable Brunette who resides there, the downside is my wife also knows of her!!! Ah, such are affairs of the heart!!!

Barndad:

Great job on the history of the humble torpedo, I note your'e irepressible sense of humor is alive and well and much appreciated after a hard week..The new abode seems to be progressing well, congrats...

CM3

The reading truly defines the meaning "bakers dozen" I hazzard the guess that questionable finances kept the the vintage roster well employed long past average retirement dates.. Though down, the Northeatern roads were a virtual treasure trove of vintage equiptment during the 60's & 70's...

Lovedomes...Great job, the joint is looking good under your stewardship, appreciate the detailed, daily acknowledgements, makes it easy for those of us who have been AWOL to get up to speed.....

Nick...Didn't forget about you either..I see your back to your usual fine form, I surmise you brought Inspector Clueless over with you on the Zepplin?? His services are urgently needed, Boris has been acting stranger then usual...

Now some classic railroading in the PE manner.....

Several weeks ago I posted my findings regarding Moneta Jct. on the Pacific Electric. Since my orginal post, i've aquired several sources published by the late Donald Duke that have been of additional aid...As I suspected a wye did indeed once exist at the location in question, known as the Gardena/Torrance shortcut. This route proceeded down Vermont Ave on private right of way to Rosecrans Ave. for a connection with the El Segundo Line, the juction here was known as Delta and still exist to this day as such in UP ownership, but the wooden iterlocking tower and substation are long gone as is all but single track. It existed to get freights off congested city streets and upon cessation of passenger service no longer had a reason for being...

Research has also determined the route was once double tracked from Rosecrans to the Harbor with long passing sidings every couple of miles and on occasions, LA Rwy. would be permitted use of the PE outbound main (freight route) for a Gardena connection, rare the PE would miss a connection, but obviously it did happen from time to time..

Pacific Electric's Dolores Yard: Alive and well in the 21st century..

Dolores yard was of several yards without complete electrification, matter of fact only one track contained overhead wire among its twelve tracks. it was the main interchange with the SP in the harbor area and among the most important, from this location PE was also able to access the
Santa Fe...Former 0-6-0's of various orgins (SP,UP,SF,PE) were normally assigned power augmented time to time by 2-6-0's &
2-6-2's that powered trains from Dolores directly to the harbor.

Carloads of bannanas, pineapples, bagged sugar up from the harbor were the prime commidities carded, Dolores was designed for fast classification of these sensitive loads without the aggrevation of a extended PE routing...

After the demise of the PE, Dolores proved more important then ever, all other surrounding PE yards were either abandoned or cut back. SP still required the services of Dolores and expanded the yard and built refueling racks and a light engine repair shed, in this manner Dolores transitioned to cope with todays needs.

Several locals continue to originate/terminate here and with the onslaught of intermodal it continues to play a vital role in the makeup and dispatching of run throughs and the assignment of power. It was considered vital for inclusion into the Alameda Corridor project and was completely rebuilt for it's new role. Despite the turning of the callender, no doubt the ghost of the SP/PE continue to lurk about the grounds...


Have a great Encore Saturday..

Dave
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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:14 AM

PSST PSST Leon, over here by the bar. Here's a bag of money to pay for many and several rounds of whatever the gang would like. yes indeed I have returned, appologies galore my friends our two day trip stretche dto almost 7 ! happens, we went north to visit some family after the wedding and well , long story short we have just got back in.Tom,BK, Lars,I did get your email and responded thanks for the concern,thanks everyone else as well. I do hate not bieng here regularly !

So forst off , I'm shocked and happy to see all the out pouring towards my birthday last saturday. thank you one and all for the kind words and urls and photo's and the like.had I known I would have tried to make it in, but it was the old rehearsal party/ dinner for the asaturday wedding ( nuff said ) I imagine that it was similar to the dinner party that Nick hadShock [:O] By the way Nick happy aniversaur and a happy 17th bealtedly to the bar as well.Thumbs Up [tup] 5xThumbs Up [tup] for everyone staying the coarse and keepimng things cooking along. Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom-frostbite it is eh Question [?] good choice, imagine a californian came up with that Laugh [(-D]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] I concider myself well and truly tweeted for last tuesday, mind you teh KCS day seemed to go without too many difficulties,amazing the power of this plcae and it's denizens / customers.Oh I've ordered some approppriate,chicken wire,tile and heating and refridgeration units to allow Leon and Boris amd Mr Copperkettle Question [?] to assemble a suitable containment area for the "critters" we are going to dub it area 52 and include a westcoast juice bar in honour of it's suggester ! Great next pieces to your bridge series they were good reads to be sure. I espeacially liked the Firth of forth bridge. In my minds eye I can see Beattie's battle cruiser squadron heading out to see before the dodger bank and Jutland engagements during WW1. Nice rememberance of 911 form you and lars and everyone else as well, hats off to all of you Thumbs Up [tup]

Doug-wow thanks for taking the time out and expanding upon my meger articles on the AirLine, great stuff sir. I do hope that there is light at the end of your having to work two jobs tunnel.Hopefully noyt an express train eitherShock [:O]

Nick-To answer your week old question, the angled red stripe was the first of the F unit barricade stripe paint jobs, and IMHO the nicest of the CN F unit "modern" paintjobs. FA's and C Liners were also painted this way.Mind you I still vote hands down for the calssic green and ellow frieght and Grenn yellow and Black passenger schemes , as the truly proper and Classic paint schemes.

Lars / BK `I want to thank you two for the wonderfull brithady wishes as well,the pictures and the sentiments truly have warmed the chocles of my heart.I have to say that 35 was  a challange for me ( half way to 70 ) alot to take in when one thinks of it. Mind you I haven't lost my sence of humour. My sister who is 45 got to bugging me about it and i calmly stated that yes,I was indeed half way to 70 but she was half way to 90 !Evil [}:)]Mischief [:-,]Laugh [(-D]. Once I came back to, she found it humourous as well !

Mike- Thanks for the birthday wishes and urls as well.You kinda covered all my likes in one fell swoop. Much appreciated sir Thumbs Up [tup]Again thanks to everyone for all their well wishes and support it really has ment allot. Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom/BK/CM3/Lars-I was dismayed to hear about the photo hub-bub. I guess we all shall ahve to place closer attention to what we pull upSigh [sigh]So much for giving credit where credit is do. For what it's worth, I fully understand the frustration and where you folks are all comming from on this subject.A retooling of sunday needs to be concidered. Our own or each others photo's only unless we do get the green light. We don't want Bergie killing our vibe here after all.On a lighter note the penguins in Hamilton eh Question [?] The city did build a twenty thousand seat areana downtown 15 yeasr ago which to this point only has housed jr B and two different AHL teams, Montreals farm club the Bulldogs currently occupy it, and they and the Toronto Marlboroughs the maple leaf farm team are already hated enemies. My brief hearing of this story has the teams name being canged to the Steal Hawks if te Penguins move ( this was the name of Hamilton's long gone OHL team of many decades past )At least the scenery won't be much different, one steal city to another. Mind you a propsed move of the Colorado Rockies to Hamilton before there settling in New Jersey was strongly opposed by the Buffalo Sabres as they feared a major loss of their fan baase should hamliton get a team. Coarse that was then this is now.

 

Well folks not an entirly adequate catching up but suffice to say thanks one and all for keeping the thread moving ever upward, and with it's constant and consistant excellant content.Leon let it be known that I will be paying for te rounds Monday tuesday and Wednesday to atone for my absence.

Rob

 

PS Oh Al-Nice to hear that you will soon be back amonst the living round here, I have alraedy updated my reading glasses. LOL

PPS -Lars No need to take a collection for computer equipment. I've made a few ipgrades and should be good for another 6 to 12 months. ( he knocks on his head for luck and throws salt over his shoulder )

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:22 AM

Dave-just caught your post. Interesting update on your investigations into the Moneta yard. Neat little sanpshot of what was and what is.Always intersting to note how important many former traction continued to be of use and indeed were exopanded to serve the needs of their easrtwhile vanquishers. I can think of two or three spots along the old NS&T that are still being used and upgraded similarly today.We may indeed be long losts, you never know. I had two great uncles that wre part of the Canadian Pacific fleet during WW2, who knows. Another job for the good inspector perhaps.

 

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:21 AM

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

A classic index update to get everything back into it's proper place,This is a new format as reformatting the old one was beyond my comprehension, wiht the new and improved forum software.

 

CLASSIC ADS

  • #1 National Geographic CNR Article c1929 pg# 209
  • #2 CN Hotels Ad pg# 209
  • #3 TH&B Doodlebug Ad pg# 153
  • #4 NYC Empire State Ad pg# 249
  • #5 Super Continental Ad pg# 270
  • #6 CNR / GTR 1941 Passenger train Ad pg# 270
  • #7 CNR Spans the World Ad pg # 311

 

CLASSIC DIESELS

  • #1 Southern Pacific pg # 254
  • #2 Nort American diesel builders pt 1 pg #254
  • #3 N A Diesel Builders pt 2 pg # 256
  • #4 N A Diesel Builders pt 3 pg # 259
  • #5 The NP c1960 pg # 260
  • #6 BC Rail Tumbler Ridge pg # 262
  • #7 BC Rail 1993 roster pg # 262
  • #8 The CF7 rebuilds pg # 263
  • #9 Seaboard RY Friegth synopsis pg # 268
  • #10 HBRY Churchill Man pg # 278
  • #11 D&RGW roster pg # 282
  • #12 ICG GP rebuilds pg # 283
  • #13 C&NW GP rebuilds pg # 283
  • #14 Locomotive rebuilders pt 1 pg # 284
  • #15 Locomotive rebuilders pt 2 pg # 284
  • #16 Locomotive rebuilders pt 3 pg # 286
  • #17 Locomotive rebuilders pt 4 pg # 288
  • #18 More Locomotive rebuilders pt 1 pg # 311
  • #19 More Locomotive rebuilders pt 2 pg # 313
  • #20 CB&Q E 5's pg # 321
  • #21 The RS2 Rebuilds pg # 323
  • #22 Burlington Zephers pg # 326 
  • #23 Robot Cars pg # 331
  • #24 D&H Passenger Service pg # 332
  • #25 B&O Passenger E's pg # 339
  • #26 The Lagan Sub pg # 349
  • #27 MEC Mailtrains pg # 353
  • #28 Oposed Pistons on the NYC pg # 381
  • #29 C&NW Recycled Baldwin's pg # 385  
  • #30 New Haven Passenger Ops pg # 389   

   

CLASSIC JUICE

  • #1 The L&PS pg # 116
  • #2 The NS&T pg # 123
  • #3 The MS&C pg # 131
  • #4 The B&H pg # 134
  • #5 The B&WSR pg # 142
  • #6 The Nearside Car pg # 146
  • #7 Peter Witt Car pg # 148
  • #8 The PCC Car pg # 157
  • #9 The Nippissing Central pg # 140
  • #10 The Saftey Car pg # 162
  • #11 CNR Electric Lines pg # 163
  • #12 The Toronto Civic RY pg # 180
  • #13 The Toronto Civic RY's Cars pg # 180
  • #14 The Toronto Suburban RY pg # 211
  • #15 CDN Streetcar Builders pg # 212
  • #16 US Streetcar Builders pg # 217
  • #17 CPR Electric pt 1 The GRR pg # 223
  • #18 CPR Electric pt 2 The LE&N pg # 224
  • #19 The BCER pg # 225
  • #20 The Hamilton Incline RY's pg # 242
  • #21  Pre History of The TTC pt 1 pg # 248
  • #22 Pre History of The TTC pt 2  pg # 249
  • #23  Pre Hictory of The TTC pt 3 pg # 249
  • #24 Catartact Lines pt 1 pg # 294
  • #25 Cataract Lines pt 2 pg #  294
  • #26 Great Gorge Route pg # 295
  • #27 WP Electric Lines pg # 314
  • #28 Brantford Street railway pg # 346
  • #29 The Hamilton street railway pg # 359
  • #30 The CSR pg # 360
  • #31 The Lost Electrics of SW Ontario pt 1 pg # 382
  • #32 The Lost Elelctrics of SW Ontario pt 2 pg # 383
  • #33 The Lost Electrics of SW Ontario pt 3 pg # 384
  • #34 The Chicago New York Airline RR pg # 388    

 

CLASSIC STEAM

  • #1 Huntsville sub pg # 159
  • #2 Alliston Sub pg # 163
  • #3 Strathroy sub pg # 165
  • #4 N Falls Passenger Trains pg # 170
  • #5 Passenger trains on Brampton and Thorndale subs pg # 170
  • #6 The Roustabout pg # 176
  • #7 Passenger trains at Palmersyton pg # 183
  • #8 SO Railmap pg # 183
  • #9 Speacial frieghts pt 1 pg # 191
  • #10 Speacial freights pt 2 pg # 191
  • #11 Passenger train profiles pt 1 pg # 198
  • #12 Passenger train profiles pt 2 pg 198
  • #13 Formation of the CNR pg # 218
  • #14 Canada Southern St Clair branch pg # 226
  • #15 History of CN passenger service pg # 228
  • #16 Southern preserved steam pg # 276
  • #17 The Stratford & Huron pg # 279
  • #18 The Toronto Grey and Bruce RY pg # 281
  • #19 Booze Line pg # 289
  • #20 The BBG RY pg # 290
  • #21 The Huntsville and Lake of Bays RY pg # 295
  • #22  The Ottawa Arnprior & Parry Sound RY pg # 309
  • #23 The AER pg # 310
  • #24 The Central Ontario Ry pg # 326
  • #25 TH&B's Berkshires pg # 358
  • #26 NKP Passenger Service pg # 358
  • #27 The Thousand isl RY pg # 360
  • #28 The Drowned RY pg # 360
  • #29 BOQ RY pg # 364
  • #30 Bruce Mines & Algoma RY pg # 365
  • #31 TH&B's waterford sub pg # 371
  • #32 The Prot Dover & Stratford RY pg # 378
  • #33 The LS&J pg # 378 

 

Wierd Tales from The Trolley Barn

  • #1 The Trolley and Teddy Roosevelt pg # 354
  • #2 Wierd trolleys pt 1 pg # 354
  • #3 ASRA Rules pt 1 pg # 355
  • #4 MTC Events pt 1 pg # 358
  • #5 Odd trolley Srories pt 1 pg # 377
  • #6 Odd trolley Stories pt 2 pg # 377 
  • #7 Trolley Parks & Songs pg # 386

There we have it the "new" research guide according to Rob

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:00 AM

Good morning one and all, and especially Rob! Man .. when you return, you really return! I too am looking forward to a retuen of my own. Worked jobs 1 & 2 for a while yesterday, and will work jog 2 today. It's cloudy as heck out here, but I'll slip out to the contruction site and see if anything was accomplished yesterday. Before leaving, here's a little something that would have been shared on theme day

Business car No. 120 of the Kansas City, Fort Smith & SOuthern was named "Bird in Hand." The railroad was founded in 1887 by Matthias Splitlog, a wealthy Indian chief, and in 1893 it bacame part of the Kansas City, Pittsburg & Gulf, which in turn became the Kansas City Southern in 1900. Car No. 120 was built by Jackson & Sharp at their Wilminton, Del. plant in 1889; this photo is from the builder's glass plate negative.

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:34 AM

G'day Gents!

It's Sunday breakfast - brunch 'n lunch 'til 2 PM! So, c'mon in and enjoy the banter! Thumbs Up [tup]

What to my aging eyes should appear Question [?] Several Posts from trolleyboy Rob! He's baaaaaaack and forgiven! Yes - "the Committee" has suspended its investigation in light of Rob's willingness to accept the responsibility for leaving many of us in the lurch - so to speak. That - plus buying the drinks on Monday - Tuesday 'n Wednesday clearly puts him back in good graces! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Welcome back, Bar Chandler - and of course you do NOT qualify for remuneration from the "tub" for days missed at work! <grin> Sign - Welcome [#welcome] Back! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Now - we are NOT going to erect a chicken wire contraption for the "critters" With a thousand smackers in the bank - we will go 1st Class! The Bar Manager and Proprietor have overrulled in this matter! Sorry 'bout that! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Good seeing Left Coast Dave pop in on Saturday with a most inclusive Post! Thumbs Up [tup] Got a kick out of your commentary and enjoyed your "educational" info as well. Pacific Electric LIVES! Thumbs Up [tup]

Doug from the barnyard - as always, good to have you onboard and providing some fine input for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Love that "funny" - I recall once upon a time when checking out the stern section of a lovely thing while walking in opposite directions - crashing into a parking meter. Felt like  a &#^$ fool, not to mention turning beet red when several people saw me do it! Happens. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Rob - it appears that you and coalminer3 CM3 have come up with a way to circumvent the formatting problems on the Forums. That Index of yours looks great - so what's the secret Question [?] Ship me an Email - I'd love to know . . . .

A word on the NHL - screw Buffalo and Toronto with any "concerns" they have over putting a team in Hamilton. These guys simply don't get it - what's the point in maintaining franchises that run in the red - season after season Question [?] I think the REAL ANSWER is not to move these "weak sisters" but to close 'em up. That's the way to do it - trim ship - the league has far too many teams in far too many places that once the luster wore off just can't keep up the required financial pace.

Now, having said all of that - I'd love to see Hamilton with a franchise. It's a hockey city in a hockey Province in a hockey country. A no brainer, fer sure, fer sure! Thumbs Up [tup]

Given that this IS Sunday and the bar is CLOSED - I'll go my way and hope y'all have a good day!

Boris - keep the food coming, coffee fresh 'n hot and Mentor Village Bakery case stocked . . .

Watch for the featured flicks at the Emporium Theatre! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:42 AM

Even though the bar at "Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYS -

We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

 

 

NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

 

 

. . . Sunday, September 17th thru 23rd: City Slickers II (1994) Starring: Billy Crystal, Jack Palance & John Lovitz – and - Crocodile Dundee II (1988) Starring: Paul Hogan & Linda Kozlowski. SHORT: Slippery Silks (1936)

 

 

City Slickers II – The Legend of Curly’s Gold (1994)

PLOT SUMMARY: The second part of City Slickers begins after the death of Curly. It is the 40th birthday of Mitch Robbins and the day begins quite good until he returns home (after a hard day at the radio station) and finds his brother Glen, the black sheep of the family, in his sofa. Nevertheless he is about to have a wonderful birthday-night with his wife when he discovers a treasure map of Curly by chance. Together with Phil (from the first part) and unfortunately with Glen he tries to find the hidden gold of Curly's father in the desert of Arizona instead of attending a meeting in Las Vegas. The adventurous journey reveals many surprises until everything seems to be over when the map gets lost...

 

from: www.imdb.com

 

Crocodile Dundee II (1988)

PLOT SUMMARY: Mick and Sue continue where they left off in "'Crocodile Dundee". New York gangsters are pursuing Sue, so for her safety, Mick takes her back to Oz. When the gangsters follow them, Mick demonstrates his outback skills once more.

 

from: www.imdb.com

 

SHORT: Slippery Silks (1936)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly

Mr. Morgan borrows a valuable antique Chinese cabinet worth $50,000 from the museum, wanting an exact duplicate made, only to have three bungling carpenters (the Stooges) destroy it. After the Stooges flee, they find that they've inherited their Uncle Pete's dress shop, the "Madame de France." Mrs. Morgan has the new owners put on a fashion show for her friends, where Mr. Morgan finds the vandals who ruined the cabinet and exacts his revenge!

 

from: www.threestooges.net
 

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:38 AM

Even though the bar at "Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYS -

We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

 

Although these most probably have been viewed on earlier Pages, they remain some of "my favorite things" and worthy of taking another look  . . . . (Plus they are MINE with no fear of hurt feelings, etc. over their display!)

 

Pacific Central Station in Vancouver, BC

 

 

GO Transit in Toronto, ON

 

 

Mt. Robson in the Canadian Rockies

 

VIA Rail's Glacier Park car at Sioux Lookout, ON

 


Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:05 AM

Great pix Tom. Here are some more pix of the town of Woodstock. We actually have a distinctive square. You might even remember seeing some of these buildings in the Movie "Groundhog Day".

Approaching the square. Notice the brick streets

Entering the square

One gazebo and the civil war memorial

The other gazebo in the square. Classic music plays throughout the square

This replica 1841 mountain Howitzer was the type of cannon used by McHenry County infantry troops during the civil war 1861-1865. It's short range and manueverability made it ideal for the rugged terrain and close combat situations.

I had better sneak a train-related picture in here. Any idea what this is?

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:09 PM
Even though the bar is CLOSED on SUNDAY's -
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!


Doug - of course we know what that contraption is . . . . it's a thingy that undoes the watchamacallit unless it is doing it! <grin>

Love the caption on the cartoon - very, very appropriate and oh so true of all professional sports! Yeah!! [yeah]

A few more of my favorite things . . . . (all MY photos - so NO ONE can be offended!) Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

VIA Rail's Ocean at Halifax, NS



VIA Rail's Ocean F40PHs at Halifax, NS



VIA Rail's LRC at Ottawa, ON



VIA Rail's P42DC and Train #33 at Ottawa, ON



Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:06 PM

Good aftrenoon gentleman's and Boris.Just thought I would make an appearance at a  more civil hour.Smile [:)]nice crop of shots from Tom and Doug today,and all none contendable ones too Thumbs Up [tup] Good thing just in case the forum police are watchingShy [8)]Blush [:I].

Tom-Loved the "reshows" of your classic VIA and passenger shots from vacations past Thumbs Up [tup] also any of the city slickers movies are a okay with meApprove [^]Wow!! [wow]. The trick to the formatting ( you are not going to like it ) I type everything new right into the reply window and use the format tools on the forums toolbar. I've not been able to cut and paste stuff successfully and use their toolbar with anything yet.

I was looking forward to using that chickenwire too.maybe and addition to H&H's little dress shop of horoors on the main street of the villiageEvil [}:)]Shock [:O]Mischief [:-,]

Doug-Loved your shots today too,espeacially the two humour pictures, that picture of the poor conductor checking out the ah caboose is espeacially good Thumbs Up [tup] I'm gald to hear that you are looking forward to your unhindered return to the forums regularly. That's only good news for the rest of us. Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:13 PM

Okay a few passenger train shots I've snapped over the last ten years or so. In keeping with Tom's offerings of today.

The old VIA international limited at Komoka just outside of London Ontario c1997

Two shots of the VIA rail F40 painted in the CBC scheme. Brantford Ontario just this past April

VIA train 79 arriving Brantford May 2006

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:24 PM

Tom-Oh just a thought. I aggree with you about the future of the NHL. I can think of at least 7 teams that have no business being in the league. As too Hamilton one would think it would be a slam dunk no brainer, same as Winnipeg for that matter. But what do we know we are after all the great ignorant unwashed that pay their prices. Thumbs Down [tdn]Sigh [sigh]

Two or three more shots then I'm off to cook a couple of steaks nice 80 degree day here today Thumbs Up [tup]

Home Hardware painted F40 at Bayview June 1994 

Go transit Hamilton bound at Bayview jct June 1994

Go's Milton line trainsets at Guelph jct July 1995

Enjoy  Rob

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:55 PM
Even though the bar is CLOSED on SUNDAY's -
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Rob - some really fine Pix - love that F40PH in the CBC livery; never saw it B4! Thumbs Up [tup] Also, that VIA Rail at Branford with the "May" date - isn't that the one your hobby shot friend said was "our" train Question [?] Ain't so - it WAS overcast and drizzling when we arrived. Anyway - it IS a nice shot! Thumbs Up [tup] Noted that VIA was pulling AMTRAK Superliners. Do you know where that shot was taken and what the train was Question [?] I've always thought that Superliner equipment would be a great replacement for the Budd streamliners - when and if the time rolls around - after all, Bombardier made 'em. Curious minds need to know! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Good to have you back amongst the "regulars"!!

Now - just a few more of my "favorite things" . . . . then it's back to NFL football Sunday! Thumbs Up [tup]

VIA Rail's Evangaline Park car in Montreal's Central Station



VIA Rail's Evangaline Park car "Mural Lounge"



VIA Rail's Evangaline Park car "Mural Lounge" service bar



VIA Rail's Evangaline Park car passageway - bedrooms to the right afer "Mural Lounge"


Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by pwolfe on Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:10 PM

Hi Tom and all.

Good Encore day yesterdayThumbs Up [tup].

Thanks Doug for the Woodstock cafe info and Tom for the encores and the link to the AGEIR site, it is a wealth of info into the early days of diesel-electrics with some great pics as well. Love those 20 ton Box-CabsYeah!! [yeah].

Great news with Rob back and Al coming back soon.

Another good week at the Emporium and a good photo Sunday. Woodstock looks a great town Doug and some great Canadian pics from Tom and RobThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup].

This weeks photos from Alan are from his recent trip to Germany. Alan as supplied some notes as I have to confess I know very little about the railways thereAshamed [*^_^*].

These two are at SCHONHEIDE There is a standard guage freight line near here and an abandoned part of the narrow guage crossed over it.


The next three are at the roundhouse at CHEMNITZ, there was a cavalcade of locos on the following dayWow!! [wow].




It is hard to believe that scenes such as these can be photographed in 2006. it must have been great to have been there. Hopefully they will enlarge.

Tom are you watching the ChiefsQuestion [?]

Pete.



 

 

 

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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:10 PM
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers waiting for the bar to open!

Thought I'd slip this throught the mail slot on the front door just to let one and all know that the Larsman is alive 'n well! Thumbs Up [tup] My Giants won! My Giants won and against Philadelphia at that and in overtime!! You gotta love it. Caught the KC Chief's loss in OT to Denver. Rotten shame how that rule is - I think both teams ought to be guaranteed at least one possession in OT - otherwise, well it smacks of too little, too late . . . Also saw that the Rams dropped one to the 49ers - take heart, it's early, early, early. But still great to view! Thumbs Up [tup]

Sign - Welcome [#welcome] Back to trolleyboy Rob. You have more vacation time amassed in your young working life than I had in my entire career - or so it seems. What did I do wrong Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] I see where "the committee" let you "skate" on the alleged infractions. Well - fine - HOWEVER, I'm the Manager of this place and we've got some unfinished business, Herr Bar Chandler! <oooooooooooooh>

Great stuff, as always from our leader and I gotta admit to really enjoy seeing those Via Rail locos and car interiors. Also appreciate your "digs" to those who are so &#^% sensitive and selfish with the cyber renditions of their pix. I'm still rather amiss regarding whether I'll resume my activity. Not really gun shy, but wonder whether it's worth the consternation that may follow . . .

Good to see Doug's submission and I also liked that cartoon caption! Haven't a clue what that machine is - but my vote goes to Captain Tom's explanation! Thumbs Up [tup]

Nice stuff from you too, Rob - keep it coming. We can use all the pix you guys with libraries can muster up! Thumbs Up [tup]

Finally, Pete's entry from Germany was and is fantastic! Steam locos in a roundhouse. Now who wuddathunk that you could actually find something like that in an operating condition these days Question [?] I enjoyed them all and hope you'll relay my Five Thumbs Up [tup] salute! Thumbs Up [tup]  Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] to your mate!

Until Monday! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:26 PM

A quick good evening to all. Seems lie a few more have slipped in on this I would say fairly active Sunday Thumbs Up [tup] for that one guys.

Tom-Yes that is the train that Scott said was ours.Must have been sun shinning jusyt over his head that dayWink [;)]Confused [%-)]. I'm not sure what the train number was on that superlinner train. I shot that picture at Komoka Ontario which is just outside of London ( windsor side ) It's the International from Chicago. VIA would pick up the cars from Amtrak and bring it accross the boarder and run the set through to Toronto.Now I shot that one in it had to be 96 or 97. We were at te Komoka train show which was in the old freight shed and station at Komoka which is now a small ( was then too ) rail museum.Komoka is not used as a stop by VIA so all the trains just run through from points farther south Sarnia or Windsor. I've not really thought of superlinners as replacements for the Budd equipment. It would seem to me to be a logical choice, although gov. bodies never make the logical choice do they,hence the "chunnel chuggers".

Lars-Soooo more penance for me yet to come eh Question [?] oh well could be worse. Oh and yes I do get 5 weeks of vacation, mind you I've done my job for 18 years now and counting. It has the good with the bad same as anthingy else.Sigh [sigh]Only 30 more till I retire ! Shock [:O]  I have a bit of the library left so no fear I'll have some pretty pictures that no one can complain about.

Pete- Wonderfull spread of German steam from your friend.Nice to see that many in operable condition.I'd hazzard a guess that these were taken and running in what was formerly East GermanyQuestion [?] Still that much steam no matter what the guage and or vintage is always nice to seeApprove [^]Thumbs Up [tup]

Catch everyone later , remember rounds on me the next two or three days !

Rob

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, September 18, 2006 7:24 AM
G'day Gents!

A fne Sunday Photo Poting Day! here at the watering hole! Glad you guys enjoyed my VIA Rail shots - there'll be more of 'em in weeks to come. Thumbs Up [tup] Good to see Pete 'n Lars round out the day with Rob adding his late nite remarks to close out the day! Thumbs Up [tup]

Really enjoyed those roundhouse Pix from Germany's steam locos. Pete, I think your friend has done a great job providing you (and us) with visuals from his rail ventures. Appears as if there's a bit of curiousity working regarding the location of that roundhouse - what major German city is it closest to Question [?] Good stuff! Thumbs Up [tup]

Superliners on the International Question [?] Wow!! [wow] That's a surprise to me - not that I'm an expert, but every time I researched that train the info that came back listed much older, single level equipment. Anyway, those cars are a treat to travel aboard, especially the Sightseer Lounge and Diner (which I seriously doubt was in the consist for the International). My guess is that they had to replace the older Horizon equipment on a temporary basis with the Superliners. That happens every now 'n then down this way - in winter especially, when freezing problems crop up with the older cars. I've traveled to KCity and back aboard the Superliners and man oh man what a surprise and what a significant change to the experience.

Sad to say - and this is dated information - but over 100 of those cars are layed up in Amtrak's Indiana facility because of assorted levels of damage and needed repair. No funds - so they sit and deterioriate or get cannibalized. Awful situation. Last I heard is that one more major passenger rail accident and a long-distance train will have to be curtailed - that's how critical the Superliner inventory has been and remains.

Five weeks of vacation time with "only" 18 years on the job Question [?] Pretty generous benefit package, I'd say! Most of my leave was taken in conjuction with transfers to this place or that. Hardly ever used my leave for anything involving fun. Had to take it over weekends and holidays as well - which I always thought was grossly unfair. But - such is life in the military. They say "30 days" a year - but when you back out weekends - well - do the arithmetic. No complaints mind you - but it hardly wasn't what it was billed to be.

Another one of my guesses regarding those who made the decision to purchase the "Renaissance" equipment is that the "Ottawa crowd" will never admit they made a huge mistake. The "Chunnel Chuggers" have not and will not measure up to the Budd equipment and the traveling public has said so. Further, if only those in charge were more PRO passenger rail than not, maybe - just maybe - other options could have been entered into.

Okay boyz - have a good day and Boris - serve 'em up all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!

Reminder: All drinks are on Rob today thru Wednesday! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]


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