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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 1, 2006 5:20 AM

Good morning Tom and fellow life travellers. I'll have a light breakfast, and then I must be off. Didn't want to let another day slip without checking in though. As you might imagine, carrying two mortgages has resulted in my need to take-on another job, and this I have done. So I have a two month gig starting tomorrow, unless a more permanent job presents itself. So no rest for this wicked-one, I'm afraid. The posts, as usual have been outstanding, and I wish I could stay long enough to give derserved comments on all the fine material, but ...... off to work I go. Make a great day!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, September 1, 2006 8:55 AM

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. 

Barndad - Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.  Not for mortgage $ but for, as they say "residual educational funding."

Nick is with us.  I enjoyed your post abt. Irleand,  There is/was a Tralee, WV, not too far down the road from here.  It had a monstrous tipple served by the VGN; all gone, now.

Dave - I do sometimes venture out on the Model RR side of the house, especially on the prototype information side.  The Keystone Coal Manual goes back a long ways.  It is still issued and is an excellent source of information about coal, coal mines, seams, facilities, and transportation.  The older manuals are really something as they often have 2-page spread ads from different railroads boostong their coal sales depts.  B4 I forget, state mine inspection reports are also a good source of information.  Then we have mine rate documents which give insight into car distribution. 

Rob - Thanks for trolley stories, etc. 

Pete - LC is short for Library of Congress.

Hat dog!  The New Haven - we can never run out of stuff to say about that.  I'll probably do an encore and then add some more material.

The other day, when we were doing CNW, I mentioned the Peoria and Pekin Union Ry. Co.

Herewith some vintage P&PU ad copy from the stack of stuff in the east wing at the house.

"Route Shipments "Via Peoria and P&PU for Fast Service Through the Dependable Peoria Gateway.  Keep Your Shipments Out of Congested Districts.

The Peoria and Pekin Union Railway is the intermediate switching line between following Line Haul Carriers, switching charges being absorbed."

Chicago and Illinois Midland Railway

Chicago and Northwestern Ry.

Gulf, Mobile and Ohio RR

Illinois Centrial RR

Norfolk and Westrn Ry.

New York Central

Pennsylvania

Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe

Chicago, Burlington and Quincy

Chicago Rock Island and Pacific

Illinois Terminal

Peoria Terminal

Toledo, Peoria and Western

work safe

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, September 1, 2006 9:08 AM

G’day Gents!

 

Quite a bit to cover this Friday morning and with the Labor Day weekend upon us, better get to it before many of you take off for R&R . . .

 

A round of “spiked” OJ for all – Ruth isn’t in yet, but Boris will take care of it for ya! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Since my last Post (Canadian Railways of the Past #7) we’ve had quite a bit of activity from: coalminer3 CM3 – LoveDomes Lars – pwolfe Pete – trolleyboy Rob (twice) – West Coast S Dave - nickinwestwales Nick and barndad Doug. Many thanx to all for keeping this place up ‘n running! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

That saying, “When it rains, it pours!” surely applies to the folks residing in the mid-Atlantic states. CM3 – hope you are far from any “cricks” that can suddenly overtake the banks and everything else in the surrounding area. Glad you were able to make it in yesterday and always appreciate the round, quarters and of course the most insightful input! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Concur with you, CM3, I like that Dominion & Atlantic name and livery as well. During my visit to Nova Scotia in 2005, I picked up two HO RDC-1s in that livery (Proto 1000s) really nicely done and I’ve Posted Pix of them in the past . . . probably will show ‘em off again. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Also, your mention of the people of Cape Breton brings to mind some very nice memories of my visits to that part of the Province too (many wonder why IT isn’t a Province as well – given that PEI is! – ‘nother story for ‘nother time . . . ) Anyway, the Cape isn’t what it used to be, economically speaking, and with the demise of the mining and fishing industries, one just has to wonder how they continue hanging in there. Still have a friend up in Sydney who I communicate with regularly and he says things are grim for the working man.

 

Lars, let me put it this way – IF I were to return to NYC, I’d surely look you up and we’d climb aboard an Amtrak heading up to the Adirondacks. Would love to take that trip and to share it with one of our “own” from “Our” Place would make it even more worthwhile! Thumbs Up [tup] Thanx for the invite . . .

 

Glad you enjoyed the Dome shots – and yes, there are MORE where they came from! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Pete, as with most things that come in acronyms, people have a way with converting the letters to whatever comes to mind – ATSF: Ate Tomalies and Spit Fire – BNSF: Better Not Ship Freight – SP: Slow Payer – WP: Wobbly Pacific - ET&WNC (East Tennessee and Western North Carolina): Eat Taters and Wear No Clothes – CSX: Can't Ship Xtra loads - D&RGW: Derailments & Really Good Wrecks - MKT: Mismanaged Cruddy Tracks and B&M: Bustem’ & Maim! It goes on and on as long as people have imaginations. Thumbs Up [tup] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Rob, I think we’re going to need magnifying glasses to read some of your recent Posts! What’s with the teeny weeny fonts Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Anyway, appreciate your coming up for air and our of your “den” to let us know you’re alive ‘n well! Thumbs Up [tup] Nova Scotia IS a wonderful place to spend time in and I’ve yet to meet anyone there who wasn’t friendly or “real” in all aspects of the word. I’m glad that I had the opportunity to at least experience some of the railroading that has now been discontinued. The trip between Halifax and Sackville, NB is really the better part of the run to Montreal, especially when VIA Rail was running the Budd equipment with the domes . . .

 

By the by, good stuff from your “Wierd Tales” too! Thumbs Up [tup] (That was in a readable font!!)

 

Next up on the “Theme for the Day!” on Tuesday: NYNH&H (New Haven) – good choice! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Dave, always good to see ya during the week and appreciate your taking the time to provide a most-inclusive Post for the guys! Thumbs Up [tup] Go for it with the SP – what’s stopping ya Question [?] $13.5 million should just about cover the costs associated with “Our” Place purchasing a Budd stainless steel – all dome – consist powered by EMD E8s in CP maroon & grey livery for our Rendezvous plans! Now THAT’s something to dream about, eh Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Nick, two days in succession! My oh my, you can spoil us with this kind of activity – good to see ya once again, Mate! Thumbs Up [tup] We’d love to see the Pix you mentioned and may I suggest that you pay a visit to www.PhotoBucket.com – open an account and go for it! It’s rather simple and user friendly in comparison with the others out there. They are not without shortcomings – but then again, who or what isn’t Question [?] Anyway, thanx for the narrative and undoubtedly a railroading challenge to say the least.

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, September 1, 2006 11:03 AM

G'day!

Nearly forgot - hey Pete - this excerpt is from "my first Thread - Canadian Passengers RRs" and is a comment from DL. I had told him that you and I are friends and that you're from Rugby . . .

On a related matter you should start planning a UK visit – you are right – sleeper LondonScotland is a good journey – but with small distances here (and faster line speeds) you tend to leave London after dark and arrive at Scottish destination early morning. The Highland Sleeper runs north through Rugby (non stop at about 10pm) and then splits into three portions in Edinburgh in the early hours – 1 for Aberdeen, 1 for Fort William in the West Highlands, and 1 for Inverness. The latter 2 are the most scenic and the Fort William one arrives mid morning so in summer plenty of daylight to view this highly scenic Highland journey.

A classic summer trip would be: north from London to Fort William on over night sleeper which connects into Fort William to Mallaig scheduled summer only daily steam hauled service. From Mallaig take ship to Isle of Skye and bus to place to stay on the island for a few days. Then bus off Isle of Skye to Kyle of Lochalsh where take train on highly scenic route to Inverness. Stay in Inverness (or at least take evening meal in Inverness) – then take overnight sleeper back to London. Do this mid June to get benefit of longest daylight hours. Run this itinerary past your Missouri based Rugby born friend and see what he thinks!

 

For the remainder of the conversation - check out the Thread at: http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/17/894997/ShowPost.aspx#894997

Ruth - a round on me - Boris, ring the bell!

So, what do you think Question [?] Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, September 1, 2006 2:58 PM

G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

 

Well, it happened – lost a gem of a post to the ether . . . don’t know why, but once I submitted it, zap – gonezo. Thumbs Down [tdn] Blasted forums . . .

 

So, here goes one more time.

 

Ruth my deAH, you are lookin’ mighty fine today and I think a Schaefer will do, along with a foot long Hero, ham – Swiss – buttAh ‘n mustAHd with two large pickles from the barrel. I’ll get a saucer of brine for Tex the Armadillo. Round for the house if you please – Boris, put that magazine down and ring the bell! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Good stuff today as we head into the long weekend. Nice to see the inclusive posts continuing – makes it so much bettAH ‘round here when the guyz acknowledge one another. Thumbs Up [tup] NevAH did care for this one-way stuff – if that’s the type dialogue some guys want, there are plenty of other places to go.

 

So, what was I saying Question [?] Lost my thoughts . . . shudda followed Captain Tom’s advice and prepared my draft on the WP – then it wouldn’t be lost! Darn, darn, darn . . .

 

Must say that with the return of Nick to the bar, Boris seems to have perked up quite a bit. Can you even imagine there being a female “anything” out there for him Question [?] Oh well, even cloven footed Cyclops need lovin’ – Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Just can’t imagine another of “his kind” out ‘n about (ooot ‘n aboot, for those north of the 49th!!) <grin>

 

Man, these forums have got me ticked off! Took me “forever” to log in – then when I finally accomplished that, I couldn’t get to the thread – kept taking me to the General Discussion page – but that’s all that showed up – no threads! Finally had to reboot the system – go thru the blasted log in once again, etc., etc. Thumbs Down [tdn] Really beginning to bother me big time. Exasperating, most exasperating.

 

Good to see Doug ‘n CM3 make an appearance today – and given that it’s a holiday weekend, my guess is we’ll have a light load until Tuesday. “We takes what we gets!”

 

Peeking at that proposed UK rail itinerary makes me want to join in – now THAT would be a great Rendezvous idea for “Our” Place, huh Question [?] Perhaps Dave can spring loose with some of those millions he mentioned. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

 

One more, Ruth, then I gotta skedaddle!

 

 

Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, September 1, 2006 4:46 PM

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams RUTH and can you put me down for a steak and chips for later please. With the return of Nick, BORIS seems a lot happier and AWK and TEX lives should be a lot easier now.Cool [8D].

LARS Sorry you lost your post this morning . I had the puter jam on me just now and I lost what I was writing but I think it was me and not the forum. Luckily I dont (so far) have a problem logging on to the forum,  but do struggle with other aspects of it. I must admit I much preferred the old forum.

It WOULD be great if one day we could have a reunion in Britain and travel the rails there, perhaps one of us will win the Lotto.If we did go, the trip DL suggested to TOM is a must.I first did the trip in the early 70s. I travelled on an overnight to Glasgow then the first train to Mallaig where on Thursdays only, a boat sailed from Mallaig to Kyle of Lochalsh, with the Isle of Skye on the port side and the Scottish coast on the starboard. From there as DL says it is a very scenic line to Inverness, in 2000 they ran steam on this line, it was brilliant.Approve [^].

  Another Our Place coincedence, the other Alan from Rugby is on a steam trip this weekend to the Scottish Highlands. Yesterday it was Preston to Glasgow with  class 5 4-6-0 # 45407,today the same loco to Fort William then an ex LNER 2-6-0  K1 class # 62005 Fort William to Mallaig and back. On Saturday it is Fort William to Carlisle, on the Scottish border, with Sunday Carlisle to Preston.The Fort William to Glasgow line known as the West Highland line is single track with passing loops,steep grades, a horseshoe curve and is very scenic, passing Lochs etc, a great line to travel with any train but by steam it is superb. 

TOM Thanks for the acronymsThumbs Up [tup]. It is the first reference I have seen over here to them.

I think DL really appriciated your advice on Canadian train travel and I hope he enjoys his trip. I see he says he has looked in at the bar and I hope he will join us soon.

ROB Great post on the Trolley Parks, I wonder what system today would run until  everyone was taken back from the park.

CM3 Thanks for the LC info and the number of different roads the Peoria and Pekin connected to is amazing.

DAVE Good to see you in and thanks for the kind words.

DOUG May I join with Tom and hope you are able to sell the condo soon, I am trying to do the same with the house in England.

NICK I would love to see those pics of yours.Yeah!! [yeah]. I have not travelled the Tralee line, but had some time at Mallow once, the trains were all loco hauled then. This May the  Irish International steam tour visited the line.

Do you know anything about Keith Richards being in trouble for smoking on stage while in Scotland.Question [?] 

Well Ruth let me get a round in. The bride says to celebrate Labor day weekend I have got to do plenty of Labor, so I will call in as I can.Sad [:(].

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, September 1, 2006 5:08 PM

Good evening Leon,just a small shot ( 3 fingers )Mischief [:-,]Whistling [:-^] of CR if you please. Oh and here's a sack of qaurters for Herr Wurlitzer ! Yup should shape up to be a bit of a short on numbers weekend I would surmise,still how often do we get a looooong weekend on both sides of the boarder,coarse forCaptain [4:-)]Pirate [oX)] TOM every weekend is a looong weekend LOL Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Tom -Still after that Budd set for the bar eh Question [?] Perhaps "Vito The Hit "can help you out with the financing options. Shock [:O]. You go and try a new font and you get stomped on Sigh [sigh] actually I thought it would be a nice font ( showed up,bigger on the preview ) oh well we'll chalk it upto forum idiosyncrisies instead of glassesLaugh [(-D] Hope springs eternal , I do hope DL tries us out. You will notice that I chimed in with my My 2 cents [2c] over there as well.

Dave-Great to see you dive in during the week,next time you are endorsing I'll send you my account infoWhistling [:-^] An SP day I think will be wunnerfull, perhaps in the next couple o weeks once all the holiday's are over with Thumbs Up [tup]

CM3-As Tom mentioned, I hope that you don't find yourself in the need of some hipwaders. Thanbks for the info on the P&PU amazing howmany "big roads" it fed into.The Virginian / N&W may make for an interesting theme day as well,Stay tuned. I figured that the NH would grab your attention. I like spreading the themes around to all points of the compass that way we all can feel right at home as it .were.

Lars-I hatre it when I loose a good post like that,drives you to drink. Thus far I've been spared alot of the problems that the rest of you are incuring from the new format.Mind you I type with my eyes and feet crossed so maybe that helps a bit.Shock [:O]Laugh [(-D]Still I aggree with you the volume of and number of inclusive posts is extremely heartening Thumbs Up [tup]. I think we will throw out any "magazines" that Boris may have touched since last night.Shock [:O]

Doug-Wow we akll feel your pain. Hopefully mortgage #2 is not  a long lasting one,but as Tom said we are here when you have the time do don't sweat the small stuff. Again Vito The Hit may be of some use to you as well. Dead [xx(]

Nick-Well well, RUTH has a tattoo does she.Do the Ladies of Perpetual Motion know of this Question [?].Still we are looking forward to te snaps from the old country.As Tom suggests look into photobucket as a storage medium,it's free and as easy as one could hope for.Oh I do hope that Boris is of age for night crawling from pub to pub. You wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of the good inspector and the local constabulary.

Well folks that should bring me upto date,now I'll just check upon H&H and make sure that they aren't cremating this evenings steak.Shock [:O]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, September 1, 2006 5:16 PM

Well hello Pete, I see that you snuck in while I was counting the bottles on the bottom shelf.Ni Nick I wa NOT insatlling a two way mirror for you Shock [:O]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Pete-Sounds like your friend is enjoying another fine railfan excursionThumbs Up [tup]more wonderfull shots ensuing I'm sure.Wink [;)]To answer your question . I'm sure that no company would do that now,likely they would lock the gates of the park and charge the stragglers with tresspassing Sigh [sigh] the golden age is gone I'm affraid.I think if you are being "treated' to heavy labour over the weekend, your wife's been talking to H&H again,they "enjoy" this weekend for some reason,the crews at the Zepplin sheds do notDead [xx(]

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Posted by West Coast S on Friday, September 1, 2006 7:16 PM
Afternoon all, this is your left coast connection checking in...I see the usual suspects are about... Round of house draft if you please....Good day barkeep..

First of all, what is all this talk of a long weekend? I was just informed no holiday for me, reasaon provided is the move to our new HQ next week after two years of beaucratic and construction delays...How do I conceal the overtime pay from the misses?

Here we go gang:

Barndad:

Welcome back to the grind..I find it helps to keep things in perspective when your supervisor is twenty years your junior, age and mental capacity wise, still, one must do, what one must do I suppose, we'll keep a light on for you..

Tom:

Great idea!! A "Our Place" streamliner..The first dollar towards that effort is on me!!! I oftened wonder if I was that fortunate, what I would do? Probably buy me an island in the South Pacific and kiss the world goodbye......Better cut back on the hours spent viewing Corona commercials!!!!!


Rob:

Don't worry, got you covered on the next check... On the flip side, we had a senior officer who lost a 3.8 Billion dollar contract, I wonder how he enjoys being a newbie to the enlisted ranks? Appreciate the tales of the wire as always...It's official, the SP review will debut after the holiday due to popular demand....

Pwolf:

Off on yet another adventure, you across the pond sure do know how to live life, as usual, we expect full details of your travels..

Lars:

The place is up to it's usual best, the girls are looking ravishing and Boris, well what can one say.......

Ok let's get to the reason for being:::

Southern Pacific and some perspective into how second generation power was decided upon.

In early 1958, SP was already thinking about power requirements five years out , the final SD7/9's were delivered the year before and steam was a not too distant memory.

SP was intrigued with experiments conducted by Union Pacifc with the Omaha Geeps, former GP seven's and nine's which had been later turbocharged..Though a sucess, EMD and Alco soon mastered the technology in an affordable package...When the SD24 was announced, SP agreed to host trials. The trials were short lived, the SD24 was not up to the rigors demanded by the SP...Serious doubts existed among officials in areas of reliability and maintainability..No orders were forthcoming, oddly, SP did purchase nine GP20's for the Cotton Belt in 1959..

One down, what about Alco? A long and friendly exchange had existed since the days of steam, Alco was always intent on providing generous credit terms and doing what was necessary to please their accounts, generous trade in allowences were a halmark.

Alco had no model available for trials during this period, and arraigned for the Santa Fe to borrow back a two unit RSD15 set for the trials...SP discovered they were the best choice available, though EMD's were wanted..SP started small with a four unit order in 1959, SP had requested deliveries of the RSD15 to extend out to 1963. Also in 1959, SP availed inself to cancel F9 Cab unit purchases with no selected replacements.

Meanwhile, GE had quietly been engineering a new entry to the market, the U25B.. Once SP had the oppertunity to test one, orders were quickly rewritten, cancelling the Alcos, and eventually 76 would be required, the exceeded all expectations and quickly relegated older power to the storage lines or worse. A factor was GE Capital Credit who's terms were more generous then those of Alco and they accepted anything as trade in credit.

Their presence immediently affected train operations, by 1965 the Geeps, SD's and F units, some not ten years of age, had been banished to switching, transfer service or restricted to the flat profiles of the Central Valley..
Soon EMD ,blindsided and stunned by General Electric's grasp of the new market, whom they had dismissed as a mere contender in the world of high horse power and doomed to failure , would recover with the SD35 and 40/45 series...

SP maintained these early U's into the late seventies, one was selected in 1975 to display the Snowbird Bicentenial Colors..Others were the subject of sulzer
re-engines and efforts to extend their life span through modifications preformed by SP and GE, They were never downgraded to secondary service, though they were common at places such as West Colton when the normally assigned Alcos were ailing on transfer runs between that point and Taylor Yard...Rebuilt SD35's took over these assignments and the days of vintage ALcos and GE's were done...


They eventually were placed in storage, in serviceable condition,the effects of vandals and weather soon
rendered them useless for further servce, It wasn't time that did them in, it was stricter emissions requirements..



Dave
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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, September 1, 2006 8:47 PM

Hi Tom and all.

The Bathams is on top form tonite so I had better have another LEON and can you tell H&H I'll have the steak now, but not the one making all that smokeShock [:O].

Good to see you in this evening ROB and DAVEThumbs Up [tup].

I have just been sent Alan's latest pics. On one is  one of the locos the other Alan is going to Scotland with as I said in my last post.

The loco is the exLMS class 5 # 45407.

  

It should enlarge

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, September 1, 2006 9:38 PM

Well good evening again gentlemen all-like a moth to the candle I find myself here again,so lets have some beer and make an evening of it.

Ruthie-a round for the house if you please,a little something for your good self and send some out to the galley( if H&H are not piloting the zeppelins,then surely they can enjoy a wee dram along with the rest of us...)

DOUG-to quote Lennon & McCartney-"boy,you gonna carry that weight"-all power to your arm mate,a mans gotta do & all that..

CM3-I guess a lot of towns over there were started by by folk from over here so it makes sense that they would keep familiar names....

Captain [4:-)]Pirate [oX)]TOM-3 in a row-who would have thought it eh ?-thanks for the tip r.e. photobucket,will look into it when I have a moment-your mention of "Collusion corner " brought a smile to the old face-over here we pay $10 a gallon wherever you go-thank heaven its such a small island or we wouldn`t be able to afford to go anywhere Disapprove [V]Censored [censored]-Hope Carol & Juneau are in good form by the way-do give them my best regards.

LARS-apologies for returning Boris in that condition,however,mission accomplished,and education completed-although it cost me all the cash I had on my person and a written undertaking to never darken their door again. It was worth it just to see the smile on what passes for his face

PETE-hoping to take a trip out to Mallow to take pix of the sugar beet traffic this autumn-will keep you posted. no info r.e Keith on the scottish show(s)-BBC radio2 broadcast the Hampden park gig last monday-possibly available on BBConline-very muddy sound (recorded in the stadium rather than from the sound desk ,so loads of echo from the back wall ) my pal Chrissie (the next missisnick if things carry on the way they are) went up to the cardiff show and Keith & Ronnie were the only people in the stadium smoking-would you try and tell them to put it out...!!

ROB-awright mate-hows life up by the lake ?-Ruthie does indeed have a tattoo or two,in fact she has a `W` on each buttock-when she bends over it reads `WOW`-sorry,coudn`t resist..........

DAVE-good to see you again,keep fighting the good fight-someone has to do those extra hours.

Right-it`s that time of night again(at least at this end of the bar)--show tomorrow with the Hoochie Coochie band so better make with the moonlight mile.

Ruthie-a round for the boys before I go and a couple of bucks in herr Wurlitzer-perhaps `communication breakdown` & `babe,I`m gonna leave you ` by Led Zeppelin to start with ,`wild horses`by the stones,`wooden ships` by crosby,stills & nash,& `a day in the life ` by the beatles for an eclectic mix-the rest are down to you guys.

Take care one and all-be good ,stay happy

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 2, 2006 9:23 AM

G’day Gents!

 

A wonderful start to the long weekend here in mid-continent USA with the temps in the low 60s (F), blue sky and just a touch of fall in the air. Not to last very long as we’ll be in the 80s before too long – still, there’s HOPE! Thumbs Up [tup] Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” is now at $2.47 (rounded) which is most unusual for a holiday weekend – first time we haven’t seen an upward spike in quite awhile. Well, “we takes what we gets,” eh Question [?]

 

Quite a bit of activity since my last Post, so let’s get to them on this OPTIONAL ENCORE! Saturday . . . .

 

Lars, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear you have a “thing” for Ruth! Better watch it, Mate – your mate may be reading over your shoulder! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Anyway, hang in there with the ‘puter and Forums crap. It is so very frustrating, but quite frankly unless and until the people at Kalmbach figure out that all isn’t well in cyber space – we either put up with it or take our discussions elsewhere.

 

Pete, a word of advice: Labor Day in the USA is for relaxing. So don’t’ let the Mrs. ‘con’ you into doing otherwise! Amazed at her – will have to discuss this next time we’re all together! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Rob, Vito the Hit is a friend of mine and as such one never, ever borrows from friends or family. Plus, I’m not thrilled with the prospects of the “payment plan” Vito’s bank engages in. <ugh> No, we’ll have to dredge up the funds elsewhere for that streamliner beauty for the bar. Wouldn’t it be great, if only . . . Question [?]

 

Dave, always enjoy those SP epistles – and this latest on the motive power fits the bill quite well. Looking forward to your SP “thing” next week. Hang in there with the BS going on at work – things could be worse. You could be retired and spend your time wondering what day of the week it is! <grin>

 

Overtime Question [?] What’s that Question [?] In my 32 years of active duty there was no such thing! Ah, but you civilians have got the world by the short hairs, or so I’ve been told. I worked for a guy one time who really detested civilians assigned to the military – and I mean detested. He was one of the last of the holdouts when my outfit went in that direction. Of course he “lost,” but it was amusing to listen to his rants. I recall one of ‘em was, “If they don’t carry a green ID card, they ain’t worth the powder it would take to blow ‘em to Kingdom Come!” Wonder how you two would’ve hit it off Question [?] <grin>

 

Pete (again) – great looking loco – thanx! Thumbs Up [tup] I’m just a wee bit confused with the two Alans . . . but “whatever,” the more I drink, the more of the same I see! <chuckle>

 

Nick! What is there to say other than, you are back – in word and indeed! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Now, we must clarify something before it gets outta hand – YOU named the gals of “Our” Place (other than MY Cindy!) – so we’ve been going with RUTH as opposed to RUTHIE (which is the gal over at that Coffee Shop place). Soooooooooo, which is it to be Question [?] Also, you must’ve been speaking with someone else last night – as Leon the Night Man took the bar at 5 PM – so could there have been another red head in the place, with tattoos at that! Wow!! [wow] as you say! <grin>

 

I can’t imagine ten bucks a gallon for anything in liquid form – not even the finest hooch distilled much less the stuff that powers our “wheels”! That’s not only outrageous, but cause for drastic measures. On the serious side, I’ve never understood why we permit this extortion to continue. But that’s a story for another day . . .

 

Good to have you back with us and hope to enjoy the banter on a more regular basis! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Okay – time to set about the day! Ring the bell, Boris – a round of “spiked” OJ for all!

 

 

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 2, 2006 9:36 AM

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

GREAT BRITAIN PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #2

from multiple sources - first Posted on page 135

 

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with

Classic Trains, this time from Great Britain! Check this pre-WWI poster out!

 

LONDON & NORTHWESTERN and CALEDONIAN RAILWAYS

 

London (Euston) ……………… 8h. 0m.

Birmingham …… To ………… 6h. 45m.

Liverpool ………. Glasgow ...... 5h. 10m.

Manchester ….. (Central) ….. 5h. 5m.

Bristol .………………………… 9h. 35m.

 

London (Euston) ……………… 8h. 0m.

Birmingham …… To ………… 6h. 35m.

Liverpool ……… Edinburgh … 5h. 0m.

Manchester …. (Prin. St.) …. 5h. 10m.

Bristol .………………………… 9h. 45m.

 

London (Euston) ……………… 9h. 55m.

Birmingham …… To ………… 9h. 25m.

Liverpool ……… Dundee …… 7h. 15m.

Manchester …. (West) …….. 7h. 20m.

Bristol ………………………… 12h. 20m.

 

London (Euston) ...…………… 11h. 15m.

Birmingham …… To ………… 11h. 0m.

Liverpool ……… Aberdeen …. 8h. 20m.

Manchester …………………… 8h. 15m.

Bristol ………………………… 14h. 20m.

 

LUNCHEON and DINING CARS

for the accommodation of FIRST and THIRD CLASS PASSENGERS are run on the undernoted Trains:

 

………. From London (Euston)

To ..……………………….. a.m. …. p.m.

Glasgow (Central) ………. 10 0 …. 2 0

Edinburgh (Princes St.) … 10 0 …. 2.0

… Perth ..…………………. 10.0 … 2*0

… Aberdeen .…………….. 10.0 …. 2*0

 

*to Carstairs

 

………. From Liverpool

To ...………………………. a. m. …. p.m.

Glasgow (Central) .……… 9^50 …. 5 50

Edinburgh (Princes St.) ... 9^50 …. 5*50

… Perth ..………………… 9^50 …. 5*50

… Aberdeen ..…………… 9^50 ….. 5*50

 

*to Carstairs; ^Luncheon Car, Manchester (Victoria) to Glasgow,

Liverpool Passengers join at Preston.

 

……….. From Manchester

To ...……………………… a.m. …. p. m.

Glasgow (Central) .…….. 9 50 …. 5 45

Edinburgh (Princes St.) .. 9*50 …. 5^45

… Perth ..……………….. 9*50 …. 5^45

… Aberdeen ..…………... 9*50 …. 5^45

 

*to Carstairs; ^Luncheon Car, Manchester (Victoria) to Glasgow,

Liverpool Passengers join at Preston.

 

New and Improved SLEEPING SALOONS

………………. between …………………….

LONDON (Euston) & SCOTLAND by Night Trains.

 

(Note:  Sorry for the misaligned columns; format differences make it so Censored [censored]Banged Head [banghead])

 

 

Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by BudKarr on Saturday, September 2, 2006 11:31 AM

Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!

 

Now, who is that behind the bar Question [?] Appears to be a red headed fine looking specimen of a woman. Ah, Ruth is it Question [?] So you are now a bartender along with all of the other “talents” you bring to the bar Question [?] Fine – I will have a #3 from the menu board along with a large mug of coffee with just a “splash” to make it interesting. A round for the house if you please and keep the change! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

We have returned from our visits to Calgary, Edmonton and Banff. Most relaxing, most enjoyable, and most happy to be back at the mountain retreat!

 

Appears as if the pages are beginning to show signs of activity since the resurgence several weeks ago. Good show, one and all! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Most pleased to see the continuing support from the guys who helped get the bar back in business. [tuip ]Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Forgive me if I do not address all of the queries directed my way, but you see I too am suffering from the Kalmbach Virus – you know, the one keeping some of us from logging on and then when we do, unable to retrieve information on back pages. Maddening, at best! Hate to say it, but it does appear that ignorance or perhaps gross incompetence rules the roost in some places. Thumbs Down [tdn] as far as I am concerned with these new changes.

 

I have noted the return of one Sir Nick to the bar, which is a treat for anyone who has a history with this fine establishment. Sir Nick is a “keeper,” as one would have it and truly fits into the atmosphere created by Captain Tom – one of the guys in all respects. Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]  Good to see you once again and in my younger days, perhaps we could have . . . well, never mind. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

Some of you may know that Ralph Klein, the Premier of this fine Province for over 13 years is stepping down to seek a retired life. That reality came a bit hard for some people who have been adoring supporters of him through these many, many years. Really do not want to get political here and that is not my intent. But since I do have this on my mind, let me simply say that Lydia has taken it rather hard and we “just had to be there” for his goodbye. As with so many in politics, it was a love-hate “thing” and it appears he simply had enough. I am hardly a judge of politicians, but as a man, a very genuine individual.

 

Have had better flying conditions than we experienced, fortunately Lydia was focused on one thing – getting down safely! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] I had better get serious about that refurbished 747! <grin>

 

May or may not be back today – for the idea was to let you know that we have returned and hope to certainly get up to speed within the next few days.

 

Enjoy this holiday weekend on both sides of the 49th and make it a relaxing one - you have earned it!

 

 

Adieu!

 

BK in Alberta, Canada’s beautiful high mountain country!

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, September 2, 2006 1:24 PM
Morning all, left coast reporting for duty...
The Mentor village buffet looks enticing this saturday, think i'll avail myself of some fresh baked eppacurian delights..Howdy to the girls and the Barkeep, yes you too Boris.

Nick:

I take it your'e back to stay? Appreciate the words of encouragement. I shall stay the course...

Tom:

Green card? We ain't got no stinking green cards, at least not anymore...We have become one with the introduction of the CAC card several years ago, you retired folks are not slated for replacements cards yet...
Your'e co-worker and I would have gotten along great, I have a proven technique for dealing with such types, open confrontation followed by a quick retreat!! Matter of fact my CO was on a tear yesterday, after several hours of this, I could tolerate no more, into the office to find what in the @#$% was his problem. Guess not enough fiber in his diet!!!


Southern Pacific Motive Power decisions post 1959:

President DJ Russell put the edict out " Find a way to handle heavier freights with fewer locomotives".. Builders would have to chase the 2500HP goal for road units and the 2000HP goal for yard/transfer units, further it was demanded that developement be geared toward a twelve axle unit.. Suffice to say no builder could comply until GE developed the U25 that fullfilled all requirements but fell shy on substainable total tractive effort..

SP took a bold step when it signed on with Krauss Maffia in 1960, this was done completely for shock value aimed at the domestic builders who now would have to chase the 4000HP mark if they wanted SP sales.

This new edict doomed GE's six axle U25C model, no SP orders were forthcoming. It was obvious that the KM's were unsuited for SP or domestic duty, mechanics had to frequent Volkswagon dealerships for fasteners and metric nuts and bolts, operating crews did not appreciate the transmission shaft positioned several inches below the cab floor spinning at several hundred rpm's or the foreign technology, further elaboration of what mechanics thought is best left unsaid , lack of electric MU, unfamilar plumbing and wiring required expensive modifications in the field, KM's had a tendency for dangerous pitch and yaw, requiring extensive truck modifications before excessive operating cost, parts availibilty and excessive inspection/maintaince cycles were calculated when compared to possible domestic offerings...

SP had to rethink it's 4000HP position, it remained a target, but priority was now not so important so as to provide domestic builders the development time to catch up.

1964 was a paramount year, Alco had perfected the twelve axle C series, EMD the SD35. The 35 was a transition model, the last to use the 567 prime mover, SP was impressed at the 3200HP that could be substained, but ventured that the 567 had reached the design limit and further attempted improvements would only hurt EMD. EMD concurred and had the situation well in hand with the 710 series prime mover and a new model, the 3800HP SD40, minor improvements in turbo technology eventually made possible 4200HP versions.
One trial was all it took, 240 were purchased between 1966 and 1967.

Additional improvements led to the 4300HP SD45 in 1966 in conjunction with SD40 developement.. SP was estatic that EMD gave them first chance to trial and purchase.. Though thristy, over 800 45's would be rostered, soon as they arrived they assumed all the tough assignments with their proven reliability now that EMD had mastered turbo technology and new capacity traction motors that caused pulled drawbars and stringing if a light touch on th throttle was not used ..

SP attempted to improve cooling on the early models with sheet air intake shields, though sucessfull someting standard was need, in response EMD redesigned the radiator resulting in the flair model. Some districts banned the flair versions for safety reasons, they brushed against the insides of tunnels causing extensive dammage to the locomotive and property.

Further test and research lead to relocating the intakes lower on the carbody, this solved the clearance issues and ingestion of spoiled air, this was the Tunnel Motor version at eighteen thousand dollars more per copy then a standard 40 or 45...Not only did this model appeal to SP, Rio Grande signed on the dotted line and Clinchfield is ruputed to have ordered twelve which were later cancelled after the Seaboard merger, so the legend goes... SP had no current interest in the Dash Two upgrades that hit the road in 1971, perfering to use in house labor and research for such improvements wich resulted in SD40/45R's (Roseville rebuilds) and SD40/45M's ( Morrison Knudson) SP accepted the last Tunnel Motor with Dash Two technology and remote slave control in 1981, a true success story..


In the next segment we will investigate Alco's invovement during this period


Enjoy the day

Dave
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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, September 2, 2006 3:27 PM

G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

 

Most interesting read from the left coast – Dave - I’ve always thought that to truly harness the raw potential of the turbine would be the answer to not only the needs of the railroads, but for all sorts of transportation – ships being uppermost in my mind. Nuclear powered turbines. Always appreciate your input and one of these days I'll dazzle you with my knowledge of diesels, turbines and the like. Just something I've kinda kept to myself since I've become a land lubber.

 

Ruth, always a pleasure to feast upon your radiant beauty as I drift into that world of “If only I knew here when I was 40 years younger!” <grin> But, reality jolts me back to this time and place – so I’ll have a frosty mug of Schaefer and a foot long Hero – ham, Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH with two large pickles from the barrel. And a saucer of brine for that little rascle over there – Tex the Armadillo. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

We're experiencing a some periods of rather heavy rain, gusty winds but nothing severe. So, looks like we're going to survive this latest onslaught from mother nature. A bit surprised the Yanks are playing - although they are in a rain delay - as the forecast was accurate, this time! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Mets are in Houston for a night game as they roll towards their Division Championship. Thumbs Up [tup]

 

So, what’s this about civilians “in” the military Question [?] From my background – all shipboard in the USN – we didn’t have any! Thumbs Up [tup] Now, I do recall interacting with ‘em at the shipyards, supply offices and other assorted haunts where they dwell. <grin> But, I figured they were there taking a shore job away from some poor sailor who was being screwed just a bit more into remaining at sea. Never looked at ‘em as being “in” the Navy – just there, kind of like door stops, coat hangers and other trappings of the organization. But as with my evil thoughts of above, that was way back then and this is now. Haven’t the foggiest how it all fits together – but when I read and hear about the situation in the services today and the utter botch job going on at the Pentagon with the contracted civilian organizations who now feed, cloth and otherwise administer to the military – I gotta wonder how we let ourselves drag anchor that much.

 

The return of BK brings a smile to my cyber being and it’s good to know that all’s well. So, you run in those political circles, do ya Question [?] Or better put, your lady does is probably more like it. Never had the opportunity to get up close ‘n personal with anyone in high elected office and given my propensity to open mouth and insert foot, it’s probably a good thing – for them! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] I’ve always figured that the majority of the politicians all have this noble thought to make a positive dent – but wind up becoming more as part of the problem than the solution. Pure anecdotal BS – I know – but just seems that way to me. Bottom line, they all put there pants on one leg at a time, but at some point really get off with the power and prestige bit. Not for me. Anyway – glad to see ya and hope you’ll be around the place for awhile. Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Captain Tom – that’s an interesting piece on the Brit RRs you provided as an Encore. Wonder if that chap we’ve spoken with over on your Canadian Passenger RR thread will ever view it Question [?] We know Pete has and will again. All this talk we’ve had about the RRs in the UK makes me want to kick myself for not taking advantage of the opportunities I had – years ago – to take those rail trips I passed up for other things. Ah well, can’t have a “do over,” but surely can think about the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Nick, that’s quite a piece you dropped on us last night! Still grinning about the Wow!! [wow] – brings back memories of some tattooed gals in far away places. <grin> Good to see you about the decks and hope these visits are positive signs of your resumption of activities here at the Saloon by Siding! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Boris - ring the bell! A round on the Larsman!

 

One more Ruth – then I’m gonna post my Encore and skedaddle!

 

 

Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, September 2, 2006 3:40 PM

Here's my Encore for this Saturday - with one update. You've seen it B4, but I'm going to run this weekly until we all get familiar with its contents . . .

=========================================================

Weekly Schedule of Events


Sunday - Bar is CLOSED - Food service is available for breakfast, brunch 'n lunch.
Pix Posting Day.

Monday thru Saturday: Breakfast - brunch - lunch.

Tuesday - Classic Trains "theme day" - next up - New Haven!!

Wednesday - Toy 'n Model trains day (optional)

Thursday - Fish 'n Chips nite - begins at 5 PM

Friday - Pizza 'n Beer nite AND Steak 'n Fries nite - begins at 5 PM

Saturday - Steak nite - begins at 5 PM
Encore Saturday (optional)


"Our" Place Staff


Bossman, Proprietor and Mentor: Siberianmo Tom

Chief Cyclops - Boris

Chief Bartender (nites - begins at 5 PM) - Leon

Chief Bartender (days - begins at 9 AM) - Ruth

Chief Chef - H&H (interim)

Gals of "Our" Place - Ruth (redhead) - Ann (blonde) - Lucy (brunette) - Jemima (raven)

Mascots of "Our" Place - Juneau the Siberian Husky -
Awk the Parrot and Tex the Armadillo

Security Force - Inspector Cluess of the Local Constabulary and Mr. Doyle, Private Eye

Bar Chandler - Trolleyboy Rob

Chief Chef - open (temporarily filled by H&H)

Bar Manager - LoveDomes Lars (newly appointed)


Birthday Watch List and special celebrations


Maintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.


Protocol


Greet the barkeep upon visiting the bar - each time.

Order a drink or food. (Coffee and soft drinks are free with food orders, otherwise 5 bucks per cup)

Acknowledge the other guys and be inclusive with comments.


Order of the Stools (reserved and permanent)


Maintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.


Most Valuable Patron - MVP


Maintained by Tom and continuance to be determined.


Daily Summary


Suspended and resumption to be determined by Tom.
=====================================================

Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 2, 2006 4:25 PM

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

GREAT BRITAIN PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #3

from multiple sources first Posted on page 137

 

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with

Classic Trains, this time from Great Britain!  Check this pre-WWI poster out!

 

LONDON & NORTH WESTERN & CALEDONIAN RAILWAYS

 

TRAVEL BY WEST COAST ROUTE BETWEEN ENGLAND & SCOTLAND

 

Comfort – Punctuality – Speed

 

QUICKEST & BEST ROUTE BETWEEN ALL PARTS of

ENGLAND and SCOTLAND

 

PASSENGERS BY THE WEST COAST ROUTE

MAY HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF TRAVELLING BY THE

NEW “GRAMPIAN CORRIDOR” DINING CAR TRAINS

of the CALEDONIA COMPANY in SCOTLAND.

 

WEST COAST NIGHT EXPRESS LONDON (Euston) & SCOTLAND

 

The Finest Vehicles in Europe, Vestibule Throughout.

 

BREAKFAST, LUNCHEON & DINING CARS.

 

Passengers

traveling between England and the North of Scotland

can go via EDINBURGH (Princes Street) and break their

journey there, in both directions, without extra charge or inconvenience,

and after visiting the places of interest in Edinburgh, resume their

journey North or South from the same Station by the

"GRAMPIAN CORRIDOR"

or other Express Trains.

 

 

Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, September 2, 2006 5:26 PM

HI Tom and all.

During a break from the home improvements and a Bathams would go down a treat RUTH.

NICK I have acouple of pics of Mallow lined up for tomorrow. I am sure that I read in a recent Railway Magazine that the BEET factory in Mallow is about to close with a loss of the rail traffic. It may be a good idea to check into this before you go, can you let me know if you do find out about it. The tattoo joke made meLaugh [(-D] out loudApprove [^].

DAVE Thanks for the SP diesel post. It shows how much the diesel loco was improved in the 60s.

BK Great to see you backThumbs Up [tup]. Sorry you are suffering with the new forum format. It took me a long while to get the encore posts below. Good job the computer had some of the old forum page numbers  still.  

LARS I for one would enjoy to hear some of the ship diesel and turbine info.

TOM Many thanks for the two UK encores I have found ( eventully) what I posted at the time

FOR page 135    

Another great G.B. passenger train nostalgia.I see the 8 hour agreement was in force when this was issued. The 10.00AM departure became THE ROYAL SCOT, the 2.00PM train was known as THE CORRIDOR as it was one the first trains on the L&NWR to have this facility allowing the use of the Dining car for all passengers. This train was formed of magnificent 12-wheelers and the Royal train was for many years of this slightly modified stock. I believe the livery was called Plum and Spilt Milk. Some of the Royal cars are preservrd in the National Railway Museum at York. this train became The Mid-day Scot.

Talking of the Royal Scot reminds me that in B.R. days it was worked in steam days by the L.M.S. premier locos the 4-6-2 Princess Coronation or Duchess class (SEMIs to us). There was a change of loco between Glasgow and London but for one glorious summer in the late 50s the Polmadie(Glasgow) loco would work through bringing rare locos like Duchesses of Athol and Montrose through Rugby.

for Page 137.

Another great G. B. nostalgia. I suspect the Caledonian Grampian Corridor coaches would be quite similar to the L&NWR stock,athough I am not too sure about that.

The Caledonian had some very handsome locomotives and the passenger ones were painted Caledonian blue. The loco which usually worked the 2PM from London was usually the pride of the Caledonian fleet, a 4-6-0 # 903 named Cardean.  There is a magnificent Single Wheeler #123 preserved in Glasgow as part of the Scottish collection.

As NICK says there was great rivalry at the time. In Scotland the Caledonian main competitors were the Glasgow & South Western rly. between Glasgow and Carlisle and the Glasgow suburbs. And the North British Rly. North and East of Glasgow.

I noticed on Page 137 there was talk of BORIS getting marriedShock [:O]

Interesting piece on Overtime, it paid for many a rail trip, but it caused more arguements than any thing else.

Just time for another quick Bathams then back to work.

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, September 2, 2006 6:40 PM
Afternoon all, I see activity is picking up...

Lovedomes, Civilians make up probably a great precentage of the current military..some serve in combat capacity, these are truly scary indvidules!
There are various arraignments: Most are short term subcontractors, others directly employed by the respective branch and subject to the whims of budget shortfalls and mission realignment.

Others, like myself were solicited by the Department Of Defense due to prior skills obtained in the military or civilian job field that are useful to the Government. We have civilian oversite, but it is but mere window dressing..I am subject to military regulations in all manner.
Some have special skills that qualify them for joint forces duty, they rotate assignments and duty locations, say the Army for two years, then Air Force for another two and so on...Actually I worry about this, i've not done a Army assignment in over four years, though my training is current, no seems to have noticed my lack of rotation. Baghdad is indeed awfully warm this time of year!!!


I need to see that a round gets ordered for the guest today,,,, enjoy on me as a small measure of being so far off topic.

Boris---Marriage? How is that possible? It violates the laws of nature! I must have been AWOL when that subject came up..

Afternoon Pwolf...good to see you about

Tom...Excellent Encore as always...

Ok, four SP diesels of a select model displayed a unique paint scheme upon delivery from the builder, no other power was adorned in this fashion, any ideas as to what model these were and why the special paint? Answer to be provided in detail at a later date... Here's a clue: it was not Daylight, Black Widow, Grey/Scarlet or any adaptations of the previous....

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Posted by red p on Saturday, September 2, 2006 8:52 PM

Ruth, Jack and coke please.

Well im back in town for a little while anyway.  Looks like I have to labor on labor day though.Also,  I am glad that everyone enjoyed the link I posted.

Lars forgot your keys to the forum uh?

Dave hiding overtime from the mrs. ? Watch it you may be trying to hide assets from her lawyer.

Tom  New Haven? ok that sounds good. And while were at it I also declare it fl9 day.

P

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 2, 2006 8:59 PM

G'day Gents!

As nighfall as arrived here in mid-continent USA it appears as if we've had a most interesting Saturday - a bit short on the Encores - but thanx to Pete at least I wasn't the Lone Ranger in that area! Thumbs Up [tup] Appreciate your retrieval efforts - Pete - it ain't as easy as it once was, eh [?} Anyway, those ENCORES! were especially for you with a bit of hope that DL from the UK might show up! Thumbs Up [tup]

Good to see the conversation going on between Lars and Dave - interesting perspectives. Very happy to see the return of BK - that can only bode well for the days to come. Thumbs Up [tup]

Yeah - some time back some "nut job" <grin>  suggested a marriage was in the offing for Boris - ain't no way, no how that will ever happen. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Great SP "stuff" - as always - from Dave and of course always willing to engage in the introspective aspects of our banter. I suppose, like hemorrhoids, we all have to put up with something - ie: civilians "in" the military! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

BK from the description, surely appears as if you and Lydia covered quite a bit of  ground during the past week. Actually had an opportunity to rub some esteemed elbows, eh Question [?] Good for you. From my very limited vantage point, I'd say the Premier has done a credible job for the Province during his tenure. If only we could say as much for all in high places!

I see red P has returned - Leon, he thinks you are Ruth! Must be that "cute" outfit you're wearing! <grin> Anyway, so you are 'declaring' for our Tuesday "theme day" eh Question [?] That can only mean YOU muist contribute! We're looking forward to it.

Hope to see some activity for tomorrow's Photo Posting Sunday - but if not - so be it. Thumbs Up [tup]

So, let me leave with this until we open again on Monday morning - ring the bell Boris - drinks on me! Leon, give 'em what they want! Thumbs Up [tup]


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Posted by nickinwestwales on Saturday, September 2, 2006 9:24 PM

Hi all-just a quickie as I am currently typing with my nose due to excessive beer consumption earlier..

DAVE-just a guess here but could it be the Krauss-Maffei units ???

BK-A warm welcome back to you and yoursThumbs Up [tup]

PETE-gotta have a crack at catching the last freight working in Ireland-wish me luck-also got some pix of the steam excursion down to Fishguard recently-celebrating Brunels 150th anniversary or some such-castle class "Earl Bathhurst/Druswlynn Castle"with about 12 on.

Only guessing here but presumed it ran loco first as far as Carmarthen,turned on the triangle and was led into Fishguard by a class 50 on the back-made a beautiful sight(and sound ) lifting them back out-a huge plume of (very black) smoke-bad coal I guess ,but looked most impressive-and,not too clean either-looked like a working engine,she normally shuttles up and down about a quarter mile of track at the Great Western Society`s track at Didcot,nice to see her stretching her legs...

Right-whoever suggested that I might confuse our lovely Ruth with that cycle *** who hangs out around the coffee shop-shame on you............entirerly different tattoos for a start

Apologies to everyone else-critical mass has been acheived ( an afternoon show today-started drinking early)-I presume sunday is still the day of rest ???

Will try to catch up on monday,enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend,love to all ,nick

  

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Saturday, September 2, 2006 9:29 PM
ooh lookee--I`ve been censored,so much for the first amendment-on this side of the pond ,free speech is a given rather than an abstract.......
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 3, 2006 7:32 AM

Good morning guys! Please set me up with a few light breakfasts, which reminds me that we need to be mindful of OP house rule # 27, which states: “Proper digestion of food is important. Please refrain from discussions involving Boris whenever food is being consumed.”

 

Here’s a little something to read along with the free eats. An article on the Vatican City Railway from the Nov. 1950 Railway Magazine. Bon appetite!

 

Overshadowed by the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica is Vatican City’s imposing station.

Terminus of freight-only VCR. Line connects with Italy’s big steel.

 

Of the millions of travelers who visit Rome during this Holy Year 1950 – and undoubtedly there will be railfans among them – not one will boast of a trip to the Eternal City’s unique shortline, the Vatican City Railway. For packages, not pilgrims, comprise the VCR’s traffic.

Constructed in the late 1920s to facilitate the delivery of the thousands of parcels and letters that daily enter Vatican City – seat of the reigning Pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church – the Vatican City Railway is of no appreciable length. But size here is of no importance: the sovereign state it serves is only 108.7 acres in all, an area that covers barely one-sixth of one square mile. Yet this miniature freight-only railway owns a station that would do justice to any carrier, large or small. An imposing structure of stone and glass, it stands within the shadow of the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica.

 

Unloading mail and gift parcels addressed to Vatican City’s 3000 residents. Packages are stored in freight station for examination and, in the case of food and clothing, for forwarding to the needy of Italy and neighboring war-torn countries. Archway at rear of train marks border line between Italy and sovereign state of Vatican City

 

Vatican City Station houses only space for sorting and storing of mail and freight shipped in daily to the 3000 residents of the city. Carloads are hauled into the terminal by an Italian State Railways locomotive that is always ready to maneuver freight from ITS rails onto those of the VCR. Operations run on a daylight schedule. At night an electrically controlled gate blocks off the stone archway leading into the Vatican. Thus the border between Italy and Vatican City is closed after dark.

Freight cars, operating personnel and track maintenance for the shortline are provided by the Italian government. When it comes to unloading the freight cars, however, Vatican City furnishes its own manpower. The joint operation is one result of Lateran Treaty of 1929. It is thanks to this treaty that freight cars roll up to St. Peter’s back door.

 

Italian State switcher – a Toonerville type according to U.S. standards – is on permanent assignment at Vatican City. Because line is blocked at night by an electrically controlled wooden gate, freight movements are restricted to daylight hours. Coat-of-arms on arch is that of late Pope Pius XI, under whose pontificate the railway was built in 1929.

 

Clown [:o)] A man is sitting down in front of the fire place and is reading the Bible. His wife comes in and looks down at him and says, "Why do you always sit there and read that thing, what does it help?"
He looks up at her and says, "I read it because it has an answer and examples of everything."
After giving her husband a weird look, she says, "In that case I want you to find an example of where a woman had PMS in the Bible, and I'll even give you until tomorrow."
So, he goes along with the deal.
She comes back out the next day and says, "So, did you find it?"
He slyly smiles and says, "Yeah, when Joseph was taking Mary to Bethlehem, she was riding his *** the whole way there!" Clown [:o)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 3, 2006 8:50 AM

G'day Gents!

Yes, it is SUNDAY and the bar is CLOSED - however, we are observing our Photo Posting Day! along with breakfast - brunch - lunch (ends at 2 PM) for all who care to join us! Thumbs Up [tup]

Just a few words . . . good to see Nick wander on in (censored, or not!) and must make mention of his acknowledgment of Ruth from Ruthie. Now we've gotten that straightened out . . . perhaps we can focus on something more important - like the difference between Maffia and Maffei! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Catch that, Dave!! Question [?] Good one, Nick! Thumbs Up [tup]

Here's one for ya - a Missouri zillionaire's daughter is to be wed this fall in the central part of the state (not far from where Wolfman lives) - anyway, reports in the local paper have it that the zillionaire is planning to have the Stones perform at the wedding reception! He's going to construct a helo pad on his spacious property, so the story goes, solely for the purpose of ferrying the band in from the airport for the gathering. Now, how's that for excess Question [?] I'm sure he could've gotten Nick's band for a hulluva lot less money along with much more down-to-earth interaction! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Doug, that's a fantastic spread on the Vatican's railway - never heard of it and doubt I would have if it wasn't for you! Nice selection, fer sure, fer sure - a 5-Thumbs Up [tup] for you, Mate! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Also - the character you found for Boris is right on the mark! May I use it regularlyQuestion [?] - I'll load it into my PhotoBucket if it's okay with you. Been looking for something "appropriate" and you really came up with a great find! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

I'll be around for the day - but a bit later on. Have things to attend to.

Boris is taking care of the place this AM, since the bar is CLOSED - so enjoy the Bill o' Fare! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Tom Captain [4:-)]Pirate [oX)]

 

 

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 3, 2006 11:00 AM

Even though the bar at ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s

We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

 

NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

 

. . . Sunday, September 3rd thru 9th: Judgment at Nuremberg (1961) starring: Spencer Tracey, Burt Lancaster, Richard Widmark – and – The Magnificent Seven (1960) starring: Yul Brynner, Eli Wallach, Steve MacQueen, Charles Bronson. SHORT: Whoops, I’m an Indian! (1936)

 

Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: It has been three years since the most important Nazi leaders had already been tried. This trial is about 4 Judges who used their offices to conduct Nazi sterilization and cleansing policies. Retired American Judge, Judge Dan Haywood has a daunting task ahead of him. The Cold War is heating up and no one wants any more trials as Germany, and allied Governments, want to forget the past. But is that the right thing to do is the question that the tribunal must decide.

 

from: www.imdb.com

 

The Magnificent Seven (1960)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: A remake of ''The Seven Samurai'', this American version star Yul Brenner, Charles Bronson, Steve McQueen, and Robert Vaughn, just to name a few. They are picked to guard a Mexican village from Banditos that come every now and then to take whatever the town has grown since their last visit. When they are hired, they go to the town and teach the villagers how to defend themselves. When the leader of the bandits come ,they fight him and his men off. the second time he comes the villagers give the seven to them, due to a heated argument. The leader of the bandits take their guns and throw them out of town he gives them horses and gives their guns back to them when they are far out of town. The seven decide that they aren't going to run, and head back to the village for a final showdown.

 

from: www.imdb.com

 

Whoops, I’m an Indian! (1936)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly

The Stooges are in a frontier town running a crooked gambling game. They are caught cheating and must make a run for it. While hiding in the woods, they are discovered by the sheriff and flee into Pierre’s cabin. They dress up as Indians and fool the sheriff. They return to town where Pierre falls for Curly (who's dressed as a female Indian) and takes her as his wife. When he learns "she" is a "he", the boys must make a getaway.

 

from: www.threestooges.net
 

 

Enjoy!Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 3, 2006 1:20 PM

Good afternoon everyone,sorry 'bout the unexplained absence yesterday but our freind "ernesto" dropped a line of T-storms on us for most of the day,we survived it however,power got zapped for about two hours apparently someone doesn't know how to drive in the rain and took out a hydro pole one street over Banged Head [banghead] city didn't replace it until the stroms passed,nice showing from late friday &  saturday. Good show guys Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom-loved the brit rail encores sir Thumbs Up [tup] if that doesn't flush DL out I don't know what will.Today's movie choices are good ones as well. The magnificent 7 is one of dad's favourites.I'm glaad we sorted out that ruth / Ruthie thing, and yes Doug finally captured the "good" side of Boris Shock [:O]

Bk-Welcome back to you and yours sir. Boris has kept your stool spit polished ( litterally )Always nice to have our northwestern connections back. Thumbs Up [tup]

Nick-LOL the tattoo joke reminds me of a former girlfriend ( less said the better )The Lake is wonderfull,I'll repost a couiple of the photo's today for you just cause I'm a nice guyBlush [:I]

Doug-Great photo spread / story on the vatican rr's. Like Tom I wouldn't have even known it had existed if it wasn't for your article. Oh abd that Boris pic is a keeper Thumbs Up [tup]

Dave-Great locomotive articles from the sp sir 5xThumbs Up [tup] for them. They are truly what we are about around here.Just a wild stab but I would guess that the paint scheme's you are refering too are perhaps the U-boats and small EMD switchers that recieved the Kodachrome failed SP/ATSF merger paint job.

Apologies if I left anyone out

oh  P-declairing tuesday FL9 day as well means we expect a nice spread of photo's and or info on those wonderfull locomotives,which of coasre will dovetail quite nicly into what we do round these parts. 

Rob

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 3, 2006 1:27 PM

Okay some photo's for photo Sunday, can't let one slip by with out. Also Boris H&H haven't slipped anything into the brunch buffet that shouldn't be there have they Question [?] Why am I asking you anything bizarre that they may have added would be normal to you wouldn't it.Sad [:(]

So for Nick a few highlights of ONR's North Bay Shop Complex.

The last one I don't think I had posted here yet but it gives an idea of the breadth and scope of the ONR's main shops in Northbay.

Rob

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, September 3, 2006 1:35 PM

Okay one more dropping of photo's while I finish up some of the delicasies on the brunch buffet.Dinner [dinner]

These frist two are shots of the restored TH&B Consolidation # 103 at Westfield pioneer village near Kitchener Ontario. The loco is static dispaly only and sits on a piece of track from the old  washed out TH&B Watreford line. The Jerseyville TH&B station is also at this location moved there in 1975.

A couple more C&NW shots from my pillgramige to C&NW territory in 1995 just to round out this weeks theme railway.

Enjoy Rob

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