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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 6, 2006 8:04 PM
Good evening Tom and friends. I'll have a bottomless draught and buy the next round. Good to hear from Pete today, and read Dave's SDP45 oberservations. Tom without a doubt kept things going with a fine British Railway Nostalgia ad, the Wikipedia EMD SD70 article, and last, but certainly not least, his July Canadian history post! [bow]

Speaking of which ..here's a little something Canadian for ya'll:

Remembering the Canadian by Doug Harrop CTC Board #198 1995

Riders in the Park-series car are getting a good view of the Selkirk Mountains as the train approaches Glacier, British Columbia, and the Connaught Tunnel on Sptember 13, 1981.



In the mid-1970s, The Canadian was (and still remains) North America’s finest passenger train. All stainless steel and running to 15 cars in length, it was usually headed by A-B-A sets of red and white candy-striped FP7s and F7Bs. This dome-liner ran daily between Toronto/Montreal and Vancouver and was well patronized, especially during the peak summer season.

After the advent of VIA Rail, in 1978, the train slowly became a purists nightmare – stainless steel cars freely mixed with smooth side blue and yellow ex-Canadian National cars. The power was a combination of candy-striped red F-units, blues and yellow F-units and red GP9s. It was a veritable kaleidoscope of color, much like the early Amtrak trains, but it was still something to see and photograph in the incomparable setting of majestic western Canada.

C Rail (and later VIA) tinkered continuously with the train’s schedule in the 1970s, but they almost always, by design of course, passed through the best scenery during daylight. From 1975 to 1981, the train could be found running (in both directions) on Kicking Horse Pass and Rogers Pass and in the Fraser and Thompson Canyons during the day-light. And that wasn’t all. From Kamloops to Hope, in the canyons, the CN (and again later, VIA) operated the Super Continental, another superb passenger train, usually during daylight and near the schedule of The Canadian.

It’s a dead heat as VIA trains #2 (The Canadian, in the foreground) and the #4 (the Super Continental, across the river) pace each other up the Thompson River Canyon at Gladwin, British Columbia, on May 29, 1980.


For example, in 1980, the VIA Rail timetable carded train #2 (The Canadian) at North Bend, British Columbia, in the Fraser Canyon, at 5:15 p.m. VIA train #4 (the Super Continental) was scheduled at Boston Bar, directly across the river from North Bend, at 5:30 p.m. If train #2 was a little late, they would pace each other up the river, much to the delight of on board passengers and the bemusement of motorists on the parallel Trans-Canada highway. The two trains’ engineers seemed to enjoy this “race” and would turn it into a game. For miles on train would lead a bit, then the other one would nudge ahead. They knew they were putting on a show.

If both VIA trains were on schedule, #1 and #2 would meet at Glenogle, British Columbia.



[:I]The following list of phrases and their definitions might help you understand the fuzzy language of science and medicine. These special phrases are also applicable to anyone reading a PhD dissertation or academic paper.

"IT HAS LONG BEEN KNOWN"...
I didn't look up the original reference.

"A DEFINITE TREND IS EVIDENT"...
These data are practically meaningless.

"WHILE IT HAS NOT BEEN POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE DEFINITE ANSWERS
TO THE QUESTIONS"...
An unsuccessful experiment but I still hope to get it published.

"THREE OF THE SAMPLES WERE CHOSEN FOR DETAILED STUDY"...
The other results didn't make any sense.

"TYPICAL RESULTS ARE SHOWN"...
This is the prettiest graph.

"THESE RESULTS WILL BE IN A SUBSEQUENT REPORT"...
I might get around to this sometime, if pushed/funded.

"IN MY EXPERIENCE"...
Once.

"IN CASE AFTER CASE"...
Twice.

"IN A SERIES OF CASES"...
Thrice.

"IT IS BELIEVED THAT"...
I think.

"IT IS GENERALLY BELIEVED THAT"...
A couple of others think so, too.

"CORRECT WITHIN AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE" ...
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

"ACCORDING TO STATISTICAL ANALYSIS"...
Rumor has it.

"A STATISTICALLY-ORIENTED PROJECTION OF THE SIGNIFICANCE
OF THESE FINDINGS"...
A really wild guess.

"A CAREFUL ANALYSIS OF OBTAINABLE DATA"...
Three pages of notes were obliterated when I knocked over a beer glass.

"IT IS CLEAR THAT MUCH ADDITIONAL WORK WILL BE REQUIRED
BEFORE A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PHENOMENON OCCURS"...
I don't understand it....and I never will.

"AFTER ADDITIONAL STUDY BY MY COLLEAGUES"...
They don't understand it either.

"A HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT AREA FOR EXPLORATORY STUDY"...
A totally useless topic selected by my committee. [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, July 6, 2006 8:48 PM
Evenin! Gents!

Just a few acknowledgments, as this has been one of the slowest days the bar has experienced in quite awhile - no Posts, but my own, from morning 'til 5:44 PM (Central) - now that's a long time with no customers.

Nevertheless - appreciate seeing Pete - Dave 'n Doug stop by. Especially enjoyed that VIA Rail article featuring the "Canadian." [tup] Always a favorite "read" for me.

Someone mentioned Al being here [?] [?] [?] I'll take a double of whatever Dave has been drinking! <grin> That must've been some holiday you were on! [swg] Anyway, hope you and your Mrs. enjoyed the time together . . .

Nice words Pete for Lars! I'm going to forward that to him by Email - I'm sure he'll appreciate your thoughts. [tup] And yes, he WILL be missed. I think of all the guys who have frequented this place - and there have been quite a few - he freely gave of himself for the betterment of this tavern and the policies of the barkeep. Yes - I will surely miss him. One bright note though - circumstances can change and who knows, we may see him on his stool in the not too distant future. We can hope!

Glad some of you have enjoyed my efforts - it's getting to be more of a labor lately - kinda like talking to myself. Then the pages slip by and all those efforts waste away in the Ether. Not too many guys - Pete being the exception - take the time to actually read through each and every page they've missed. And I mean read, as opposed to skim through . . . [tup]

Not sure about my activties this weekend. I'm tempted to simply blow it off and let the place "go" - all the effort is just going to sit, especially once the Forums shut down for 3 days. Posting all of those Pix on Sunday is like playing to an empty theatre. So, for the guys who do take the time and make the effort to provide Pix - think about it.. We'd probably all be better off skipping this weekend . . . I just may do that.

Leon the Night man now has the bar!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, July 6, 2006 11:22 PM
Good evening Leon, I think a nice draft of Keith's and here's a couple bucks for refills a little later on [tup]

Wow been a busy couple of daze for me, pulled down a tree, a garden shed and it's deck and made several trips to the dump with the lot. Now I have a third of a backyard to re-introduce grass and land scapping too [sigh]To cap it all off when I get bvack to work on Monday it will be for 2 weeks of midnights so that should mess up my timing hear at the bar, I imagine that I will be hit and miss, just as well the forums will be down for a couple three days of it.

Tom It may seem like you are preaching to the choir, but the content is of it's usual top caliber [tup] so a 5x[tup] for your efforts.The Montreal Central sattion shots were par excellance as always.I really got intio the July's greeat events in candain rail History. Seems like July was the favourite month for opennings and last spike type celebrations. Of note the St Jacobs and waterloo Dinner train lasted only till 2002-3.The equipment is still parked by the VIA Mimico car washer just outside of Toronto Union. Too bad it was an F-unit and a matching train iof classic green and yellow black supercontitnental cars.The good news is that the trackage is still intact and is to be the starting point for the Kitchener Waterloo light rail system due to begin operations in 2008.The SD70 series is an interesting grouiping of locomotives. I regularly see the original 26 CN ones on freights through my area along with their SD75 cousins. Nice to see that EMD's import busines is still doing failry well as well.

Mike Nice grouiping of urls,the Naigara Falls railway Museum has models of the suspension bridges past and preasant in their collection. A train club that I was a member of housed the models for them for a good four years till they found their current home. They are a full length I would say S scale model each one's about 6-8 feet long !

Doug Nice two parter on Lionel's continuing saga in the O scale world. i've always got a kick out of the various, military what ifs and real locomotives that they and other manufacturer's have made over the years. Nice internal shots of the SD45F's, one doesn't see many inside shots. the Cowl type locomotives on CN and Cp's rosters can still lead trains thanks to the Draper Taper behind the engineer that gives him a somewhat better view of crew on the ground. SD60F,50F and the GE 8-40CM's still will show up in the leaad positions on CN trains CP's SD40-2F's mostly train or act as remote mid trainers now. I know from talking to CN crews changiong at Brantfrod that they pefer that the "Draper's" not lead anymore but more so because of their sparcer less comfortable cabs then anything else.

Lars Yup the JO's out there are getting more and more tiresome and their inane babble is everywhere.Unfirtunatly there are too many outthere feeding them[tdn] Hopefully you can still keep up with us at least on a weekly basis.i'd hate to miss out on our local domecar and baseball reports from our resident star in both categories. [tup]

Pete I'm sorry but I can't help you on that dome thing, I've absolutly no clue. I'll ask a friend of mine who's more of a locomotive guru, and we will see if we can't get you a satisfactoy answer. The new red and white rag first appeared in 1967 after years of debate that raged country wide over weather to replace the old or bring fourth a new
one. it was Prime Minister Pearson that made it his personal mission to give us a new flag. Over the large portion of socoety at the time not wanting it, including former PM Deffenbaker that was the leader of the oposition at the time.Deffenbaker actually wrote into his will that his coffin when he was burried was to be covered by the Red Ensign not the Maple Leaf when he passed away. When his funerakl was held in 1976 he was the last PM to be burried with the old Red Ensign instead of the Maple Leaf.There was a famous speach that Pearson made in Ottawa to a vetrens group which he hopped to rally to his side for a new flag. Pearson was booed off the stage by the vets ( he was a WW2 vet himself ) Most vetrens were opposed ( many still are to it ) as they had fought and suffered under the Red Ensign not the Maple Leaf. Litterally thousands of possibilities were submitte dto the government, one which gave a great rise was a ring of 9 beavers peeing an a frog ( Quebec ) . The government and people of Quebec was adimatly behind the old flag being replaced because it displayed the Union Jack in the top left
corner. It's hard to even buy a copy of the old flag, I mamged to find one a few years back and I fly it from my porch. the sad thing is that most people in my generation or younger always ask me why I'm flying the provincial flag of Ontario which is similar.

Well that more or less catches me up again.


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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, July 7, 2006 12:07 AM
Okay Leon I think another Keith's is in order. I shall put a new classic steam up for purusal tonight for the fervent few that read this thread.

CLASSIC STEAM # 31 THE TH&B's WATERFORD SUBDIVISION

The originbal concept of the Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Railway was to serve American Intrests by buildiong a link between Buffalo via Hamilton into Toronto.The line would start from a juntion point with the Michigan Central in Welland Ontario.from there it would run through Hamilton and onto Toronto via running rights on the GT at bayview jct in Burlingto Ontario ( known as Hamilton West by the CPR/TH&B ). This is a bit ironic as the TH&B was bult to break the GT's monopoly on traffic through Hamilton.Another branch of the TH&B would lead west of Hamilton, pass through Brantford, and conect back to the Michigan Central at Waterford Ontario, thus tapping the farm and industrial traffic of this area as well, also challenging the might of the GT in that part of the province.

No fewer than four existing railway companies had their fingers in the TH&B pie from the beginning. These were the New york Central,Michigan Central, The Canada Southern( both NYC subsidiaries ) and the Canadian Pacific, the CPR's chunk was 27% of the TH&B.Whereas the two American controlled companies the MC and the CASO, cut accross southern Ontario from Buffalo to Detroit,neither had access to the large urban markets of Toronto or Hamilton.The TH&B would provide them that access.In the peninsular part of Niagara, the TH&B became the shortest route between Toronto and Buffalo.Today that section of the TH&B remains in use as te CPR's welalnd and Hamilton subdivisions.The line west of Hamilton to Waterford is no longer in use by the original company.

It was in 1892, that the TH&B purchased the existing route of the Brantford Waterloo& Lake Erie Railway which had been completed in 1885 to link Brantford and Waterford. three years later it was extended into Hamilton.

From the TH&B's main facility at Aberdeen yard in Hamilton ( still used today by the CPR ) the train left hamiltion rumbled accross the tressle at Binkley Hollow and climbed up the 1.5% grade up the forested face of the Niagara escarpment through the Dundass valley to the aptly named Summit Station ( flag stop shelter only ). From here the tracks emerged from the valley onto the gently rolling farmlands onn there way to Jerseyville. A MC style station was built here complete with a friegth shed and combination depot waiting room.

After passing over several more bridges, and then under the GT at Cainsville the TH&B entered Brantford, where a modern brick CPR style depot waited for them ( still inBrantford now a steakhouse by the casino ).After taking on water the trains would head out along the Grand river through ,more rolling farmlands to Scotland. Between Scotland and Waterford the trains would cross more farmland and cross beneath the hight steel tressel of the Lake Erie and Northern Interurban.finally stopping at the frame station of the MC on the old CASO ROW.Unlike the eight passenger train a day the TH&B ran on the Peninsula to Toronto line,only two trains served the Waterford branch.

In edition to the few carloads of produce and the passengers this line served the heavy industries in and around Brantford, york farm Impements, Copckshutt tractors, massy fergusson, White Tractors, a CIL plant in Scotland and many lumber yards and coal dealers.As roads were improved through the area and car travel became more of the norm the passenger trains were withdrawn and ended in 1960.Froeght service lasted until 1989 when the route was abandonned.Not entirly due to traffic downturns either, some of the farm equipment plants did close but other industries had oppened in it's their place.A land slippage along a sectio of fill ( caused by farm run off and the run off from a large carwash ) washed out the fill along the Grand River near Waterford. The CPR who now 100% owned the TH&B ( this occured in the 60's when the NYC was in it's death throws )felt that it wasn't worth repairing the line due to it's lower traffic density.The trackage in Brantford was connected to the CN yard at their Station ( VIA Station ) and CN and local railink continue the service to the plants,still several thousand carloads a year !Trackage through Jerseyville and cainsville are still operated by Railink who run the steel slab trains to and from Stelco's Nanticoke Plant. The Jerseyville and Summit stations have been moved to Westfield Pioneer Village where they have been restored as part of that historic site in the villiage of Rockton.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 7, 2006 5:18 AM
Good morning Tom and friends. I'll have a light breakfast and a Baby Ruth. Only got a second, so I'll have to read Rob's post later. Sure it's another good one.

And now, it's no wonder we're a bit overweight .. check outthis ad on the back of the July 1937 Model Builder magazine:



Active people use up lots of energy – energy which can only be replenished through the food they eat. That’s nature’s way of helping keep bodies healthy and strong … to keep minds alert and keen. Baby Ruth – the pure-food candy bar – supplies this needed energy in a form not only tempting and delicious, but quickly digestible as well.

As a pick-up, in between meals or after school, Baby Ruth is a wholesome, nutritious treat that satisfies. Each ingredient of Baby Ruth is a food in itself – fresh creamery butter, pure sweet milk; and Dextrose, the sugar you need for energy. These wholesome foods, blended together, make Baby Ruth the most delicious, tempting, nutritious candy bar you can eat.

Baby Ruth is now extra good because it’s extra rich in Dextrose, which doctors call “body” or “muscle” sugar. Since Dextrose needs no digestive action, it is promptly converted to energy – “fuel” for the body. It helps vanish fatigue. Your own doctor will tell you that every moment of your life – your body uses Dextrose. It is the most important form of food energy known to medical science.

Now, rich in Dextrose, Baby Ruth is not only pure delicious candy – it is real food, rich in the sparkling, quick energy everyone needs to be at his best. For energy … for enjoyment … make Baby Ruth a daily habit. It’s good to eat, and it’s good for you! It’s the taste-treat of millions the world over. Only a nickel, at candy counters everywhere.


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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, July 7, 2006 6:55 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and one of the fine crumpets from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Sorry for my aabsence the last couple of days but the boss is away and I have to spend more time at the office. I have been on the other thread from the office using floppy disc info I have their.

Things will settle down next week.

Our County is putting a sales tax bill on the ballot in November that will provide Commuter rail service between Modesto , Stockton and Sacramento and increase our present Stockton - San Jose commuter Rail service. The sales tax increase will also widen some highways in the county.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, July 7, 2006 6:58 AM



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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 06:59:48 (371) Friday’s Info & 10-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 07:17:33 (371) Comments

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 10:05:02 (371) Events in Canadian RR History – July

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 13:30:11 (371) Featured Locomotives #2 – EMD SD70 series

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 15:28:19 (371) Nostalgia #89 – British Railways ad (1953)

(6) pwolfe Pete Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 17:44:39 (371) Inclusive catch-up Post!

(7) West Coast S Dave Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 19:21:04 (371) Inclusive catch-up Post!

(8) barndad Doug Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 20:04:36 (371) Remembering The Canadian, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 20:48:17 (371) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 06 Jul 2006, 23:22:35 (371) Count Robulla’s Inclusive Post!



That’s it![tup][;)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, July 7, 2006 7:38 AM
Good Morning Gents!

Thought it best to remind one and all of Kalmbach's requirement to ensure an operating Email address exists for your account on the Forums. If not, they well NOT be able to communicate the info regarding how to log in on the NEW system. REMEMBER: Shutdown is to take place this coming Monday and last until sometime Wednesday. So count on three days "off."

Appreciate the Posts from Rob and Doug [tup] [tup]

We are still smiling at the mental image presented by Rob's discussion of the proposed design for the new Canadian flag - 9 Beavers peeing on a Frog - indeed!! [swg] A great laugh was had by my Canadian-born 'n bred bride and "meself!" For anyone not getting the significance - the 9 Beavers represented the 9 English speaking Provinces versus the 1 speaking French. Wonder why it wasn't accepted! <grin>

A bit early in the AM to be thinking "candy," but those Pix of the old time wrappers really brought back a memory or three. During WWII, my mom and grandpa owned and operated a small "corner store" - groceries and the like. It had one of those large glassed in candy cases, with all kinds of treats that made many a little kid's eyes "pop" and give rise to the "hope" that someone - anyone - would spring loose a penny or two for some candy. [yeah] Great memories.

Appreciate the words of support, Rob, but I'm afraid they have come a bit late in the game. I'm really, really rethinking the whole of it . . . .

I must have missed something, for I cannot locate that Pix Pete mentioned regarding a loco and a dome . . . .[?] [?] Well, Rob is "on it" and undoubtedly will come up with something. That's what's nice about having guys around here to give a Rat's Patoot - and it shows when someone actually reads the material, then responds in kind. [tup] Just not enough of that going on . . . . "winging it" doesn't work now, yesterday, or tomorrow.

After a night's sleep on the subject - I've decided to forgo any serious Pix Posting for Sunday. I'll provide the remainder of my Alaska Pix for the following Sunday Photo Posting Day!. All one has to do is review the past several Sundays and it should be quite evident who has Posted and participated. Not many - it is largely Doug 'n moi. So, aside from dropping off the Emporium Theatre info . . . I'm laying low . . . Saturday will be an "off day" for me as well, other than the Summary and perhaps an ENCORE! here 'n there - I'll be doing other things.

Received an Email from BK up in Alberta. Seems they are somewhat beset by the smoke from the fires raging throughout western Canada. No immediate threat, but he says the smoke is awful. They've got a few bags packed and ready to go - if necessary. He said there's only one road out of where they live - but again, no immediate threat. Send his regards to the guys and hopes to be with us once the Forums return to normal.

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, July 7, 2006 9:27 AM



RAILWAYS of EUROPE #7 – Norwegian State Railways, Norges Statsbaner (NSB)




Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some photos from other sources.


Norwegian State Railways, Norges Statsbaner (NSB)



Norges Statsbaner (Norwegian State Railways, commonly known as NSB) is a Norwegian transport company, created in its present form by the Norwegian National Rail Administration through legislation on December 1, 1996, but then privatized on July 1, 2002, owned privately by Norwegian Ministry of Transport and Communications.

Operations of NSB include passenger trains and buses. Cargo Net owns the freight train transport.


Rolling stock

During the 1990s NSB modernized their rolling stock, expanding their fleet of multiple units and retiring many of the traditional locomotive hauled trains. Most of the locomotives went to the freight company CargoNet AS, but the El18 and Di4 remain to pull passenger trains. Some of the new trains were plagued with troubles, in particular a brand new BM73 derailed (fortunately at low speed) at Nelaug in 2000 because of an axle breaking due to metal fatigue. As of 2005 however, these trains have been performing satisfactorily.

Locomotives

• 2 Di 2 class diesel shunters
• 6 Di 4 class diesel locomotives, used mostly on Nordlandsbanen.
• 3 El 17 class electric locomotives, now used for shunting. A further 6 El17s are run by Flåmsbana.
• 22 El 18 class electric locomotives, used on all main electrified lines.


NSB EI 18 #2254 (GNU Free Documentation)




Electric multiple units

• 80 BM69 class 2-car or 3-car commuter trains, used around Oslo, Bergen and Arendal.
• 16 BM70 class 4-car intercity (medium distance) trains, used around Oslo.
• 36 BM72 class 4-car commuter trains, used around Oslo and Stavanger.
• 16 BM73 class 4-car long-distance trains, used on Bergensbanen, Dovrebanen and Sørlandsbanen.
• 6 BM73b class 4-car intercity version of the BM73 used on Østfoldbanen.


NSB BM69 #69639 (GNU Free Documentation)




NSB BFM70 #70010 (GNU Free Documentation)




Diesel multiple units

• 15 BM92 class 2-car trains used for commuter services around Trondheim, and on Rørosbanen.
• 15 BM93 class 2-car trains used on long distance and intercity services on Rørosbanen, Nordlandsbanen and Raumabanen.


NSB DM93 (GNU Free Documentation)




NSB BM93 at Hamar (foto: Leif-Harald Ruud)




NSB BM93 at Åndalsnes (foto: Marco van Uden)




NSB BM93 at Hamar (foto: Marco van Uden)




NSB DM93 & Di8 at Åndalsnes (foto credit: unknown)




DSB Talent train (foto credit: unknown)



Diesel railcar

• 3 Y1 class railcar used on Bratsbergbanen between Skien and Notodden.


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some photos from other sources.

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Did you miss any of the first six in the series[?] Click on the URLs:

(1) British Rail, page 247
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=247&TOPIC_ID=35270

(2) Eurostar, page 248
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=248&TOPIC_ID=35270

(3) TGV of France, page 255
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=255&TOPIC_ID=35270

(4) ICE Train of Germany, page 270
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=270&TOPIC_ID=35270

(5) Irish Rail, page 279
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=279&TOPIC_ID=35270

(6) Swedish Railways, page 321
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=321&TOPIC_ID=35270



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Posted by BudKarr on Friday, July 7, 2006 11:08 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!

Everything smells like burning – smoke, smoke and more smoke, and none of it desired. Things here at the mountain retreat are somewhat tenuous as of late. The Province seems to be burning up as the multi-year drought continues in this beautiful slice of heaven on Earth.

We are engaged in some serious thinking regarding a move, and as difficult as the thought is for my lady, she initiated the discussion. We are at a point where our travel plans are being held in abeyance due to the uncertainty regarding the threat to our area. We would surely not want to be elsewhere should the situation worsen. Belongings and the like take second place to securing our personal safety, however, we would like to have the opportunity to save some of the material things within our home.

On the plus side, we are not in the path of anything ominous, however, everything is so very dry that it would not take much to begin an incineration.

Captain Tom, as it is morning, my lady and I will partake in two of your #3s from the Menu Board – bacon and coffee for me, sausage and tea for Lydia. Throw in two of those great looking blueberry turnovers from the Mentor Bakery if you please – thanks! [tup]


I have assessed the past week of activity and do not believe we are seeing the end, as perhaps our “steamed proprietor” may be thinking. Rather, it appears that we simply have several people caught up in their own activities – which is not really anything new – and perhaps having the bar & grill as a non-priority of things to do.

Yes, we have seen the numbers diminish and yes, we have witnessed a significant decrease in tangible contributions. Sorry, if this offends our friend with twenty fingers – but the ‘dump and run’ approach of pages long material is not what Tom had in mind when he created this site. I have gone back through my earlier submissions and have noted quite a change in direction here at the bar. Perhaps it would be far better to engage one another in dialogue rather than providing reams of reading material that may never be fully read through. A thought.

So, Gentlemen, I raise my tankard in toast to our Proprietor and the clientele who still hold true to the notion that this cyber bar & grill is indeed the finest that may be found in cyber space. Long live ”Our” Place and those who frequent it. Cheers! [tup]

I have sent my thoughts to my “bookend,” Lars and wish he and his family the best. Circumstances of death imminent are not easy to deal with. However, providing the loving care and consideration at this chapter of their loved one’s life is most commendable – most commendable indeed. [tup] Certainly hope to see your return as those before me have expressed.

There is a “coffee table book,” The Flags of Canada, by Alistair B. Fraser, that my lady brought out for me to peruse. In it one may find chapter and verse of the history and results of the debate regarding the change to Canada’s national flag.

While I too enjoyed Rob’s 9 beavers and frog reference – in all seriousness, many believed and still believe that a rather new nation, deserved a distinctly new flag. My family was clearly in that camp.

A quote from the book
QUOTE: In the battle for public opinion, Pearson took his campaign into the lions' den. In 1925, and again in 1945-46, the Orange Lodge had been the main force opposed to breaking the imperial link and losing the Union Flag. In 1964, the Royal Canadian Legion was the most vocal supporter of the status quo in the form of the Canadian Red Ensign. For months, every issue of their magazine, Legionary, had carried a picture of the ensign with the caption "This is Canada's Flag-Let's Keep it Flying." Prime Minister Pearson took his case to the 20th RCL Convention in Winnipeg on May 17. But, unlike King before him, Pearson was a veteran, having enlisted for service at the age of 17 during the First World War. The Prime Minister told a bemedaled and ensign-flying crowd at the convention that he meant no disrespect for the Union Flag, or the Canadian Red Ensign, but declared, "I believe most sincerely that it is time now for Canadians to unfurl a flag that is truly distinctive and truly national in character," to which the Legionnaires thundered "No! No!" There was an irony in the fact that the Legionnaires, who had recently replaced the Union Flag on their own badge with a maple leaf, rose to their feet, booed, and continued to yell "No!" after Pearson said: "I believe that today a flag designed around the maple leaf will symbolize and be a true reflection of the new Canada." But Pearson had sought a flag which would be "Canada's own and only Canada's" and the next day public reaction ran strongly in his favour.


Tom I enjoyed your Norewegian trains submission and it brought to mind some memories of travels past. While you all are aware of my rather noncommittal stance regarding rail travel, I have had experience aboard a few trains in Norway. Great countryside, warm people and interesting points of view.

In closing for this morning’s “reading from the Book of Karr, I leave you with this thought: Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

Time for a touch of the spirits, Captain Tom – just a splash in the coffee, if you please!

Hope to rejoin all of you once the forums resume operation. [tup]


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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, July 7, 2006 2:20 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Holdens Mild today as it is early and a bacon sandwich and a round for the house please.

DOUG Thanks for the Canadian post[tup] great pictures of the Canadian and theSuper Continental running parallel across the river. This used to happen in steam days with the trains running into Glasgow Scotland across the River Clyde with the crews on the ex North British line from Helensburgh and the ex Caledonian from Gournoch. The Clyde is wide at this point as it nears the sea.

Another racing ground was where the ex Midland line runs parallel with the East Coast Main Line for several miles north of Peterbourgh( about 80 miles north of London). An old steam loco driver who came to work at the same factory as I, told me that one trip he worked on the Midland was timed to leave Peterbourgh at the same time as a East Coast express. His loco was usually a class5 4-6-0 mixed traffic loco and the express one of the LNER A4 pacifics.
With a lighter load the class 5 would get away quicker than the A4 and they would wave a piece of string out of the cab window meaning did the A4 need a tow. Well the A4 would get into her stride and pass his loco not doubt accompanied with gestures from the expresse's crew [censored] no doubt.

I wonder if the Baby Ruth bar was on sale at the same time as the Babe Ruth bar[?].

ROB Many thanks for the Flag info. I must admit I had to smile, like Tom, at the beaver one.[:)]. Another good Classic Steam it is good to know that those stations were saved[^].

AL It is good to know that they are going to introduce a new passenger service if it is voted for. [tup].

BK. Real sorry to hear of the situation where you are and I hope there is some relief real soon.
I will certainly join you, if I may, in raising a tankard to TOM and Our Place.

TOM Thanks for the kind words[tup].
A serious situation with the bottles[V], perhaps they will have to have a deposit on the bottles like we had in England years ago, it used to be 3 old pennies.

Great post on the Norweigian State Railway.[tup][tup][tup] The pictures in the snow are great on a farely warm Missouri day. They must be hardy locos and units to work in those conditions. The Diesel Multipile Units look very stylish although I noticed they have only one set of doors per side in each car which I would have thought would cause delays at busy times.

The loco with the number on the dome was posted by wanswheel MIke on 01 JUL 2006 at 10:53.45 it is the second link with the title First Steam Loco Built In Canada.

I will save my pics as you suggest till next Sunday and a piece I will do on a trip I took while over England with a couple of pics till next week..

One thing I did notice on the forum that the notice from Kalmbach about the site being down as only had 56 views [%-)].

I'll try another Holdens and the bacon was great. PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, July 7, 2006 3:21 PM
G'day!

Great seeing you this afternoon, Pete and always appreciate the business! Tilla 'n Cashinator are happiest when they make the "KaChing kaching" sounds! <grin>

There are some fine photos out there of passenger railroads literally racing side-by-side in attempts to beat the other company to the the same destinations. Happened quite a bit with the eastern roads (PRR & NYC comes to mind) and I'll yield to our resident left coast experts for similar match ups. I too enjoyed seeing those photos of the Canadian and Super Continental - just wi***hey were a bit larger in order to hone in on the details. [tup]

Appreciate your thoughts as well, BK and certainly hope for the best regarding the situation up there in western Canada. Fire isn't anything to leave to chance - if the opportunity presents itself for a safe getaway - take it!

I liked your "profound" statement - just about sums it up! <grin> [swg]

Thanx for the elaboration on the Pix, Pete - drove me crazy, and there it was, under my nose all along! <smile> Anyway, I can't be of help with it either . . . . best left to the guys who know than to guess.

Today is a rather somber day over in "Merry Olde" as it represents the one year marking of the tragic bombing in the London tubes. My hope is that those responsible for the deaths and injuries to the innocents are rotting and suffering indescribable misery for eternity. Ask me how I really feel! <grrrrrrr>

Norway is indeed a lovely place to visit. My one and only trip was back in 1971 - pulled into Oslo and had 3 days to do this 'n that . . . would love to revisit some day, and of course travel aboard some of those fine looking trains! [tup] Didn't do that back in '71 - too busy with other things and also was on a rather short string insofar as travel from the ship's location was concerned.

Can't explain very much regarding the manner in which "things" go on 'round these Forums. One would think that a message from the Kalmbach people would be viewed by the overwhelming majority. But you know what [?] My guess is many of the guys who frequent the Forums don't even pay attention to these things - they Post their stuff and leave. Just look at our own situation. How many times have we seen "our own" guy(s) Posting elsewhere - over 'n over - but not here [?] Just one of those things that is best left where it belongs - outside in the parking lot! [tdn] 'Nuf of that . . .

There's much out there regarding the Baby Ruth candy bar . . . . check out this URL for those with an interest:
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/19990913.html

Have one on me, Gents! Boris ring the bell . . . .

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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, July 7, 2006 6:57 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

I don't like change and never equate change with improvement.
Everything in this world is temporary, get used to it, but don't get used to it.
Karl Malden's voice is in my ear, "What if the new forums platform does not enable urls, what will you do, what will you do?" (He's still alive in his 90s, good for him.)

Rob, Canadian politics from down here, it's seldom in the paper and almost never gets on TV (not since General DeGaulle was in Quebec). That's good, really, it means Canada keeps it together, resolves its differences within without a civil war. Unlike the U.S., Northern Ireland, Lebanon, Bosnia, etc. A stable country next door is the ideal neighbor. Speaking of the flag and the NHL of old, just 6 teams once, 4 in the U.S., English Canada's Maple Leafs and the French Canadians' Canadiens. Great national anthem, beautiful in each language is O Canada.

Pete, you are scrupulously thorough in your reading. Wild dumb guess, maybe the dome is for the whistle.

Ted, hope to see your next post before they turn the lights out in here.

Dave, one more, Mt. Shasta
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/147.jpg

Doug, come on now, there's no train called The Baby Ruth, except in Candyland. I did get a chuckle out of it, but that's a whole 'nother 5-cent pack of dextrose. In reference to Lionel's wartime shortages is this 1944 ad for Burlington Route:
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T28/T2867-72dpi.jpeg

Tom, whatever happens next week, Our Place to this date has been a tremendous labor on your part for the benefit of the many. Thank you, sir. Now, after all the New York Central, we need a GG1or two.
PRR ad, NY-Philadelphia train
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T31/T3135-72dpi.jpeg
PRR ad, New Broadway 1948
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2477-72dpi.jpeg
PRR ad, 1952 B'way 50th anniversary
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2480-72dpi.jpeg
PRR ad, the engineer as a 'Santa Claus'
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2483-72dpi.jpeg
PRR ad, door opens so easy a child can do it.
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2482-72dpi.jpeg
PRR ad, 3 trains
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T31/T3106-72dpi.jpeg

Al, may I recommend a website about streamliners, etc. that I think you would enjoy reading? It's technically flawed in that the pages are wider than the computer screen, but easy enough to copy & paste the text to WordPad. Anyway it's something to read while the forums undergo metamorphis.
http://www.newenglandrailroad.com/page12.html
http://www.newenglandrailroad.com/page13.html
http://www.newenglandrailroad.com/page14.html
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, July 7, 2006 7:49 PM
G'day!

A fine spate of URLs from our resident URLMeisterMonsterMike! [tup] [tup] [tup] Anytime you select the Pennsy I'm most pleased! <grin>

I recall taking an upper level (graduate) course in Sociology called "Social Change." Without boring anyone to tears, the meaning of the word - change - was brought home in more than just a few ways. As with the changing of the tides, change is all about and as with the changing shoreline, change represents - well, change! [swg] There are times we all wish for things to remain static - but things just don't seem to work out that way, eh [?]

Whatever is in store for us next week, upon the return of the Forums, my take is that those changes will be moreso along the lines of modernization of the system employed by Kalmbach rather than anything annoying to those of us who have frequented these pages. The loss of the stars most probably will upset some - but not any from the tavern by the tracks. We're far and away above all of that nonsense! [tup]

Your thoughts on Canada bring to mind a common thread - not much in our newspapers either - ever - about the land to the north. As a Canadian-American family we do take note of that and simply attribute it to the way we are as a people - centric comes to mind. Then again, we are the big kid on the block and our attitude for so long has been "my way or the highway." An institutional change I(that word again!) is in order.

I suspect this may be my last interactive Post before "shut down," so once again - I urge those of you to ensure that your Email address is current with the Forums. Otherwise, you will not be able to return on Wednesday or Thursday.

SUMMARIES will appear on Saturday 'n Sunday - but not much else from me (as mentioned earlier).

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!



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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, July 7, 2006 8:03 PM
G'day (again!)

Here are a few Pix from today's "theme" on "my other Thread" . . .

Wabash obs dome #1601
(from: Wabash Historical Society - foto credit: unknown)



Wabash Bluebird
(from: Wabash Historical Society - foto credit: Wabash RR photos)



Wabash 1887 time table



G'nite!

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, July 7, 2006 8:45 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Mike thanks for the tips on the URLs about streamliners the two gentlemen have several books already out they do an escellent job.

Anxious to see all of the changes coming to the Forums.

Posted several times on your other thread today Keep up the good work Tom.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, July 8, 2006 12:39 AM
Good evening Leon,a round of Keith's for anyone interested.

Tom Got your email [tup] roger willco sir [swg]Still a tad slow around here but whatcanyado [?] dog daze of summer that's my story and I'm sticking to it.Interesting spread on the Norwegian railways, as always I would say that we here can learn a thing or two from the European rail travel systems ( I know a broken record I have played B4 )I'm glad that you enjoyed the beaver Flag ( always brings a smile to my face as well )Just for thetrivia minded the original Maple leaf flag was to have had 3 red leaves in the middle with blue outer bands where the accepted flag is red. Thios was acompromise that Deiffenbaker was willing to accept as it at least kept the colours of the union flag. A certain province still balked at that and we got what we got.Oddly enough or not I still hear many vetrans still complaining about that flag today, oh well.I'm never supprised to hear that news from up here seems to not filter down to the US unless it contains something that is of intrest to the US media, bigger fishes to fry at home I would surmise.I imageine that the loss of the star system should touch off another long and pointless attack thread out on the other forums, It did the last time they were stopped. For myself i'd be fore not even recording post numbers period. That would I think lose most of the forums JO's entirley. Perhaps we all should email that to the powers that be.

BK We've been following the fire stories, I do hope things turn out well for you floks out there. It's fnny i've seen CBC reports online that have stated different stories, one of how bad it is and another that said it's not as bad as they thought. Goes to show how quickly these type of situations can change.My [2c] on our little thread here is that it does seem to be still perking along, but we do seem to have to weather more valley's than upswings lately.I'd hate to see just plain chat type posts only as that draws us too close to those other threads,I feel that we still need the info inserted to keep the chats at least on theme to aa point. Always a fine line of balance here,one we generally can maintain,which I think is the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm glad that you were able to dig out that quote on the great flag debate, certainly one of the more unusual debates our House of Common's has had.

Pete I showed that picture to Jack at our musuem. He's a founding member who has forgotten more about trains then I think most people know. This guy can tell you what colour the upolstry was in passssenger cars etc from memory. unfortunatly he didn't have the foggiest at what that dome was. He actually wondered if it was a doctored shot or something else that was on the negative,so Iguess we are back to square one.[:(]Might end up being a mystery like the Loc Ness monster or what the mystery is in mystrey meat ! [swg]It is good that those old TH&B stations were saved, and from what I saw yesterday when I was at Westfield they are in excellant shaope and care.

Mike It's likely just as well that you guys don't here opf our politics to much, for the most part they are about as rellevent as watching paint dry somedays,though quite a bit of good or at least compromise tends to come out of them ( at least as much as can happen )If you like the first verse of O Canada, you would love the second which most people don't even realize was there.It only really came to light in 1991 during the first Gulf was when a group of professional Candian musians banded together and recorded the whole song so that the boys and girls over in the war zone had a new recording of the national anthem to wake upto each morning . Of coarse the national anthem was also a bone of contension as we had for yeasr just used the English one which again set not to well with certain sectors of our population. Unofficailly the Maple Leaf Forever was used by the armed forces during both world wars as well. it is also a beautifull piece of music ( actually would be my choice over Oh Canada ) At least it's something that one hears at remeberance day cerimonies in most parts of the country.
A fine set of Pennsy shots today as well sir [tup] I wouldn't worry about urls not being able to be used in the "new forums" I would think that the software will work the same way as far as they are concerned.

Doug I haven't seen a baby ruth bar in years. It was a favourote of my grandmother. I will now have to run out and see if i can find one cause I gots to have one LOL. I'll have to look and see if I still have my Athearn Baby Ruth reffer car. I remember buying it a Canada Dry one and the Old Dutch Cleanser one, off to the train boxes I go.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, July 8, 2006 12:55 AM
Well folks here's an encore for the early morning crowd. I'll be in and out of home alot today so I may not get many more encores out till later on this evening. Thios one first appeared back on page346. An invloves the electric street railway in my home city of Brantford ontario.


ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

CLASSIC JUICE # 28 THE BRANTFORD STREET RAILWAY ?MUNICIPLE RAILWAY


The Brantford Street Railway was incorporated bu local intrests in 1879 nothing was started till March of 1886 when the franchise ws sold to C.H. Flack of Cornwall Ontario. He organized a new comapny under the old name and began construction on July 7th of 1886. The work proceeded rapidly so that the openning cerimonies could be held two months later on Sept 9th. Free rides were available for all,and though the cars derailed frequently and easily they were light horse cars and were easily manhandled back onto the tracks.

The stables and Carsheds were at Gilikson& Oxford streets ( now Colbourne West )and lines were laid out on three routes. To the GTR station ran along Calrence and Murray streets.Clarence street which extended down to Park Ave to the Mainline GTR station( today's VIA station )on Market Street this line via King,Darling, Richmond and Brant Ave's and then to the blind school on Brant Ave ( schooll's still there today ).

The original gauge was 3'6" running on 5 miles of flat iron horserail. service was initailly served by three open and four closed cars. the tracks were so poorly built that one newspaper article from 1887 stated that " yesterday not one of the streetcars left the track " The reason for the poor track performance was that the paving materials were too soft, and the horses pulling the cars gradually wore through a deep trough midway between the rails causing the track to roll over and derail the cars.

ELECTRIFICATION

Late in 1892 a second new company was organized,still keeping the same name. It ordered six new electric cars from Patterson & Corbin of St Catharines On, and rebuilt the tracks to standard guage. In the rebuilding, the circuitous William Strret roye was abandonned and replaced by a line that ran straight out Brant Ave.this was to become the companies most important and travelled route, and was refered to as the "mainline" throughout the rest of the companies existance. Electric operation began on March 31 1893. The VP of the comapny was Samual Insull ( who was also the second VP of Edison Electric )Thsi made the BSR a very early piece of the Insull utilities company.

A new carhous and power station were built on Colbourne street near the GTR's Tillsonburg branch line crossing. ( This was usually refered to as the Great Western station )two large loop lines were built. The first ( 1893 )was the east ward loop which ran on Park Ave,Arthur,Brock ( my street ), Nelson,and Alfred streets to Colbourne.In 1909 the track on Park Ave was replaced by a new line on Alfred St.. In the following year (1894 ) a the second loop line was completed from the main GTR station on Market St ( VIA station today )via West St,Duke,Palace St and to the Brant Ave mainline. This line was found to be too ambitious and was removed later that year so that by october 1894 the Market Street line was once again a stubb ended line to feed the GTR station.Also in 1894 the Eagle Place line was built VIA Market Street S, and Cayuga and Erie Ave .

In 1895 a 42 acre traack called Mowhawk Park was leased just to the east of the city and the street railway extended it's line into the Park. By this time the compamy wass operating 8 and a half miles of trackage all the new construstion being of 60lbs rail with some of the previuous 30lbs horse rail still in use in the sheds and yards.

The company was unable to keep up with the $125,000 mortgage from Canadian General Electric and the mortgage was foreclosed in 1897. CGE became the owner of the line and installed it's president Frederick Nicholls as the president iof the BSR, the debt was always a sore point of difficulty for the company until finally paid off by the city in 1936.

In 1900 a shadowy company called the Von Echa comapny owned by dr S Ritter Eckes a mining concern from West Virginia became interested in Ontario Electric Lines.He was a contractor originally working on a london to Goderich interurban line and he stepped in a took a 120;000 dollar bond payment to operate the BSR which he merged with his Port Dover, Brantford,Berlin & Goderich RY an interurban company that he controlled but whose only asset ws the charter to build it ! This amalgamated company became known as the Grand Valley Rrailway in 1907 and he obtained a 50 year franchise from the city of Brantford to operate the BSR. This franchise dated 1902 exempted the company (Ickes)from any municiple payments for the first 25 years !.His first act was a minor track extension made to the Brant Ave line from Palmerston St to St paul street he also extended the Brant Ave line into the town of Paris in essence a small interurban district.

In 1905 Ickes disapeared defaulted in all his loans.The ceditors could not find him and it was reported that he had died in Seattle inapril of 1906. Leaving behind a tangle of deals and bills and defaulted creditors.owberships cahnged frequently between 1905- and 1912. two blocks of the Oxford street trackage were abandonned in 1908 as a cost sving measure.The Vernor family finally took control in 1909 and carried out some physical plant and equipment upgrades. 80lbs rail new closed cars from Preston car and Coach and a new line to Holmdale built in 1912. By 1912 the interurban line was in such disrepair that it was abandonned ( improper bridges etc ).In may of 1913 the railroad was again in recievership and put up for sale. The higher of the two bids for it came from the Lake Erie and Northern RY the City was the other bidder and even thouhgbthey offered less money the city assumed control of the BSR in 1914.The line was purcjhased for 253,000 dollars and they assumed the mortgae held by the CGE corp.


The city improvemnets included the rebuilding of all trackage to 90lbs rail, new single truck cars from Preston, snowsweepers from Maguire Cummings and a host of electrical and overhead upgrades.The rails were restored to the Palmerston,St paul and Brant ave loop and in Nov of 1914 Mohawk park was officially purchased by the city. Even the Paris Interurban run was rebuilt and reopenned the lorne bridge was replaced and service was finally at it's promised every ten minutes status.The new company was now officially remaned the Brantford Municiple Railway. All the former Grand Valley Ry trackage was brouhg tunder the BMR's control and in 1916 the crossings on Morell St with teh LE&N were finished and the proper connections were now made with the large interurban at it's Morel st terminal.The Terrace hill and holmdakle lines were connected as a large belt line in 1919 and some additional DT cars were aquired for this newly joined service.By 1924 it was found that even with the improvements and greatly increased ridership that the comapny was still losing money eg (1916-1,420,000 riders ,1919 -2,150,000 riders )All from a city of just under 30,000 ! City planers urged that the Paris interurban line be abandonned for good and tha Mohawk park service only occur on Holiday's and weekends.They instead increased fares on the Paris line and ran it till 1937 when it fianlly was abandonned.The Mohawk park and eagle Place routes were also abanndoned in 1937 just after the city paid off the CGE loan.In 1932 a Mohawk bus company was started to operated the abandonned street railway districts and in 1935 the comapny merged the opublic utility company wiht the BMR.In janurary of 1940 the last lines on terrace hill and Brant Ave were shut down and Brantford transit began all bus service in the city.The carhouse was used by the city as a bus barn until it was removed abd replaced in 1971.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 8, 2006 7:32 AM
Good morning all, long time no see. Tom, just a cuppa Joe and a Prune Danish for now, if you please. There surely have been many good posts since "from whence I came."[tup] Frankly, there have been far too many for a "one size fits all" inclusive post. Pete, I trust the "nudge on the elbow" was taken in the spirit it was intended on my Tuesday ( 4th of July ) post. I miss the the ongoing repartee that Nick and I had twixt good olde King George and that bunch of roughian "upstarts" in Boston.[:D] Any rate, glad your back and, hopefully, you got in a few games of Skittles while there. I can only hazard a guess for this "mystery" car and that isn't good enough.

Rob, there seems to be "spring back in your step" since your return. The live steam articles, Encores, and most recently, the Brantford Street Rwy. posts are appreciated.[tup] Think I'll "sit out" any controversy on the flag issues. It was quite enough for me to digest Congressional approval for burning "Old Glory" as a right of free speech. You may have a valid point about the symbolism of those star collectors on the other Forums though. Just another good reason for being here, right?

BK, this is a vexing time for you both much like dodging hurricanes is here. I'm sure you will let "common sense" be your guide. I join the others in lamenting the vacancy of Lars and hope it may be temporary. Things change in our lives that sometimes leave us with little or no choices.

Barndad, the I.R.M. is now a "must see" for many of us. The A.T.S.F., U.P. power and vintage rolling stock alone, demands "one-on-one" scrutiny. I'm just not sure a "run out" to Chi Town will be sufficient when Rendesvous 2007 comes around. I'm fairly certain the Baby Ruth candy bar was named after Teddy Roosevelt's first born sometime around 1904 or so. No Pete, to my knowledge, the great Yankee slugger Babe Ruth wasn't the inspiration.

Al is still in good form on the other Forum spreading the wealth of his unlimited expertise.[tup] Although Wenesday's Model and Toy Trains Day lacked wide support, the contributions of Lionel and U. K. imports from Tom and Doug made for fascinating reading. I'm still in a quandry over the OO guage models as they varied from country to country, and I thought G guage was confusing.[banghead]

Mike, those URL's are DYNOMITE for capturing the aura of any particular period of R.R.ing. The details to be found ( some as trivial as vehicles or personal attire ) yield copius information on how much has changed since the "golden years." I surely hope the new Kalmbach format will allow this practise to continue.

Well Tom, this isn't nearly the post I had hoped for pending the "shut down" until next Wednesday. The Norwegian Rwy pix, and back logged foreign Roads links were a joy to revsit. Many thanks for the hurculean efforts it takes to keep this Thread on the top shelf.[tup] X a bizillion.[^] Since I won't be posting again until the Forums are back on-line, I'll take this opportunity to wish each and all health and happiness until then. Right Boris, I see Rob finally got you to remove the red, white, blue and Maple Leaf icons from the walls. Give with a ring and I'll be on my way. Not your "ring around the collar" Ninny, the bell, the bell!! BRANGK And you still haven't patched the crack from Tuesday eh?[:(!] Happy rails everubody.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 8, 2006 8:02 AM


FORUM’s shutdown Monday thru Wednesday

We open at 6 AM.
(All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


The weekend! C’mon in – enjoy a cuppa freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee – a <light or <traditional breakfast from the Menu Board and one or two pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery!



Daily Wisdom


Always go to other people’s funerals otherwise they won’t go to yours.
ENCORE! Yogi-ism



Info for the Day:


* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday



MVP Award Winners

April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars
May – June . . . . barndad Doug




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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] An older, white haired man walked into a jewelry store one Friday evening with a beautiful young gal at his side. He told the jeweler he was looking for a special ring for his girlfriend.
The jeweler looked through his stock and brought out a $5,000 ring and showed it to him. The old man said, "I don't think you understand, I want something very special."
At that statement, the jeweler went to his special stock and brought another ring over. "Here's a stunning ring at only $40,000," the jeweler said. The young lady's eyes sparkled and her whole body trembled with excitement. The old man seeing this said, "We'll take it."
The jeweler asked how payment would be made and the old man stated by check. " I know you need to make sure the check is good, so I'll write it now and you can call the bank on Monday to verify the funds and I'll pick the ring up Monday afternoon," he said.
Monday morning, a very teed-off jeweler phoned the old man. "There's no money in that account."
" I know", said the old man, "but can you imagine the weekend I had?" [:I]


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NOW SHOWING:
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. . . Sunday, July 2nd thru 8th: 1776 (1972): starring: William Daniels & Howard Da Silva – and – The Patriot (2000) starring: Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger & Joely Richardson. SHORT: Movie Maniacs (1936).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, July 9th thru 15th: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) starring: James Stewart, Richard Attenborough, Peter Finch – and – M*A*S*H (The Movie - 1970) starring: Donald Sutherland, Elliott Gould, Tom Skerritt. SHORT: Half-Shot Shooters (1936)



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 00:07:24 (371) Classic Steam #31 – TH&Bs Waterford Subdivision

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 05:18:25 (371) The Candy Man, can!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 06:55:29 (371) Comments

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 06:58:36 (371) Friday’s Info & 10-Post Summary

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 09:27:13 (371) Railways of Europe #7 – Norwegian State Railways

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 11:08:13 (371) Mountain Report ‘n then some!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 15:21:57 (372) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 18:57:08 (372) Sage offerings ‘n URLs

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 19:49:16 (372) Acknowledgment & Comments

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 20:03:40 (372) 3 Wabash Pix!

(12) passengerfan Al Posted: 07 Jul 2006, 20:45:39 (372) Comments



That’s it![tup][;)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 8, 2006 8:44 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

GREAT BRITAIN PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #1 from multiple sources

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains, this time from Great Britain! Check this pre-WWI poster out!
first Posted on page 130

ENGLAND & SCOTLAND

EAST COAST ROUTE

GREAT NORTHERN, NORTH EASTERN & NORTH BRITISH RAILWAYS

SHORTEST & QUICKEST ROUTE between LONDON (King’s Cross)

and

EDINBURGH, PERTH, INVERNESS, ABERDEEN

&

DIRECT ROUTE TO GLASGOW AND WESTERN HIGLANDS.



DINING CARS – SLEEPING CARS – CORRIDOR TRAINS

and

LAVATORY CARRIAGES.

London-Hatfield-Hitchin-Huntingdon-Peterboro-Grantham-Newark-Retford-Doncaster-Selby-York-NorthAllerton-Darlington-FerryHill-Durham-Newcastle-Alnmouth-Berwick-Dunbar-Edinburgh, Perth, Inverness, Aberdeen and Glasgow.



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 8, 2006 11:22 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #15

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the C&O from a 1940 advertisement found in one of my scrap books.
first Posted on page 148





YOU’LL WISH YOU COULD LOOK both ways AT ONCE!

EXPERIENCED TRAVELERS call it “The most beautiful train trip in the East,” this mountain-and-canyon route of Chesapeake and Ohio Lines. On this magnificent journey you look out and down upon waves of mountains – the majestic Alleghanies, the mysteriously tinted Blue Ridge . . . upon valleys stretching like bright carpets to the far, purple hills. The scene changes – and you look up the towering green walls of the New River Gorge as you roll smoothly through the widest and deepest canyon this side of the Rockies. Yes, when you watch this panorama of thrilling beauty from your train windows, you’ll wish you could look both ways at once!

On your next trip east or west GO CHESAPEAKE AND OHIO . . . and enjoy glorious mountain country!

You’ll travel in complete comfort, on the smoothest of roadbeds, in cool, clean air-conditioned cars that invite you to relax by day and Sleep Like a Kitten at night . . . When you travel west or east, plan to ride through The Chessie Corridor on these famous trains- THE GEORGE WASHINGTON – THE SPORTSMAN – THE F. F. V.


Sleep like a Kitten

THE CHESSIE CORRIDOR, The Scenic Route of the East
A NEW BOOK on Chessies Travel Packages will help you plan interesting, economic trips. Write for free copy to Chesapeake and Ohio Travel Services, 829 East Main St., Richmond, Va.

George Washington’s Railroad
CHESAPEAKE and OHIO Lines
Original Predecessor Company Founded by George Washington in 1785


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, July 8, 2006 12:59 PM
ENCORE SATURDAY ALL, Howdy Tom and the gang..For some unexplained reason I have the Mckeen Motor Car on the brain..though not as fascinating as Rob's Bratford Street encore or Bardad's excellent encores. Just the same, pour me a Johnny Walker on the rocks with a dash of lime.

BK, trials and tribulations indeed, when I resided in Northern California brush fires were a commom occurance, useually I paid them no mind, until I was burned out one year. Not a pleasent experience...

Mike, dynamite URL's indeed, i'm wondering on that Shasta Daylight URL if my eyes are playing tricks on me, I would swear that PA is wearing the train number 3 in the boards, that would be for the westbound Sunset Limited if memory serves me. There is a story behind that photo of why it is displaying such numbers for a train that never got to Northern California..

Tom, hear, hear on the issue of flag burning, this is a case of free speach overstepping the Constitution. Wonder how many Congressman ever spent a day in uniform much less in actual time of war??? A crying shame indeed...

QUOTE: Originally posted by West Coast S

Speaking of Doodlebugs, time for a history lesson on the most unremarked of them all:

The most unique in my humble opinion, were manfactured by the Mckeen Motorcar Company of Omaha Nebraska, predates the EMC entry by a decade. Mr. Mckeen was a pioneering advocate of internal combustion engines and a prolific inventor with visions of a economical to operate railcar. In 1909 he appproached Union Pacific offering the first model to them if they could provide him with shop space.

UP was intrigued and agreed to lease a portion of the Omaha backshop. Construction progressed rapidly, despite numerous fits with the unfamiliar and the orginal gasoline engine, drive line that required a redesign, a protoype, wooden bodied 40 footer was ready by years end. All involved were shocked by the unusual appearance, prow like a ship, bob tail end and porthole windows, ugly was how most would describe it. Once in trials UP found that it was capable of replacing steam in branchline passenger service to a point. Lack of a reliable starting system and a poorly designed clutch caused engineers to curse themselfs blue.

UP weighed in on the initial results with the opinion that, overall it was a sound design but all production models should offer increased passenger RPO/baggage capacity as well. Encourage by the sucessful test, It was back to the drawing boards, Ranson Olds assisted with a improved clutch design, Delco/Remy was contracted for a spark plug starting system. A new 50 foot steel body with RPO/baggage was manfactured, with the same unique knife edge front and porthole windows . These were more to UPs liking and proved reliable and economical to operate. As a plus to the ugainly nose design,UP found the knife edge fronts useful in light snow removal.

Once in service and gaining a reputation, SP came calling and offered to host trials on a revised 50 foot model. SP was very pleased with the operating cost and overall reliability and ordered fourteen for itself to be divided among its various holdings.

UP, meanwhile re-motored all earlier cars with a new 325HP V12 gasoline engine with improved carburators and fuel delivery system that eliminated spitting and potential explosions, for the first time a reverse mechanism that bypassed the clutch was offered.

Due to being traction impared, only the front axles being powered, McKeen designed various configurations of lightweight 20-30 foot trailers as a option , these proved popular as well.

Due to unfortunate events, Mckeen would not survive to reap the benefits of it's pioneering efforts. A Federal probe into the companies business practices led UP to withdrawl it's support and evict Mckeen from the Omaha Shops, EMC, Pullman and Winton became involved in the internal combustion rail car business and by 1925, after having manfactured 42 Motor cars and a failed attempt at building industrial locomotives, the Mckeen Motor Car Company filed for bankruptcy.

The Mckeen Motor Cars had a service life far beyond that of it's ill fated manfacturer. The last SP Mckeen was retired in 1939, SP was unique in continually upgrading the power plant to take advantage of the latest technology. SP was the first to stray from Mckeen's design by rebuilding most of the fleet to 73 feet.

UP performed the most radical changes over the years, flat fronts, repowering by EMC and application of streamliner paint and a lone example rebuilt to 86 feet in length were but a few of the modifications undertaken before retirement in 1943. Final assignments were on Nebraska branchlines, where it all began, so many years before, rather apt in retrospect.

The last Mckeen in operation was the lone unit, purchased new, by the Virginia & Truckee, retired in 1951. After retirement, it was shorn of all mechanicals to become a roadside diner. Recently, this only surviving example, once again escaped the torch and has been perserved with a eye towards furture restoration, providing the unique mechanicals can be reproduced.

Dave [tup]
[:D]
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Posted by BudKarr on Saturday, July 8, 2006 1:06 PM
Good Day Captain Tom

Greetings from the foul, fetid, fumy and foggy (smoke induced) mountain retreat. Thought I would swing by to see what is going on during this final interactive day (at thte bar) before the forums go into their brief hiatus.

First - two number 12s from the Menu Board if you please - mayo, lettuce & tomato on mine and skip the tomato for my lady. A frosty pint glass of Pabst Blue Ribbon for me and an iced tea for Lydia - thank you! And - a round for the boys as they trickle in. [tup]

Read through the postings and it appears my comments have engendered some responses. That is why we have these exchanges, is that not so [?] Perhaps the answer to the situation some of us have discussed regarding the information exchange is to blend a bit of this and that - but use consideration when it comes to the proverbial "data dumping" which unfortunately has become more prevalent rather than less. As I no longer frequent any site other than this one, anything going on elsewhere would clearly be "news" for me, so I cannot make commentary on the manner in which other forums and sites are operating.

I stick to my proposition, however, that the manner in which our Propreitor established this refuge from the goings on elsewhere have taken a turn or two. The idea of inclusiveness should not be abandoned simply to provide reams of reading material that may not get read - much less commented upon.

Thank you for the concern mentioned by those of you who are familiar with the situation here. Yes, no matter where one resides, there are those natural circumstances to contend with - hurricanes in Florida - tornado activity in the midwest -flooding in the south and northeast - mud slides and brush fires in southern California along with forest fires throughout the northwest. Any one of those events can and does take place wherever and whenever "it" decides. The bottom line, no place is immune from the ravages of Mother Nature. A difficult time right now, but as has been said, "This too shall pass."

It is times such as these where perhaps this sage bit of wisdom applies, Think of the last place on Earth you would want to be and be happy you aren't there. <grin>

I do have an offering for this ENCORE day - something I posted on in May 2005 on page 200 - I believe this was in support of a series of articles provided by Sir Doug of barndad fame!:

QUOTE: Here’s a little something from assorted sources from the internet regarding a class of steam locomotive operating in India many decades past.

BESA Class 4-6-0

Tractive effort: 22.590lb (10,250kg).

Axle load: 39,599lb (18t).

Cylinders: (2) 20 ½ x 26 in (521 x 660mm).

Heating surface: 1,467 sq ft (137m2).

Superheater: 352sq ft (32.7m2).

Steam pressure: 180lb sq in (12.7kg/cm2)

Grate area: 32sq ft (3.0m2).

Fuel: 16,800lb (7 ½ t).

Water: 4,000gal (4,800 US) (18m3).

Adhesive weight: 118,000lb (54t).

Total weight: 273,000lb (124t).

Length overall: 62ft 3 ¼ in (18,980mm).

QUOTE: More Briti***han anything that ran in Britain, this archetypal Mail Engine gave over 75 years of service and is still actively in use. This is the British Engineering Standards Association “Heavy Passenger” 4-6-0, introduced in 1905, of which a number (but not one of the originals) are still in passenger service in India at the time of writing (1987).

The railways of India were developed mainly by private enterprise under a concession system whereby the then British Government of India guaranteed a modest return on investment in return for a measure of control, as well as eventual ownership. The government felt that one of their perquisites was to set standards and, having made rather a mess of the gauge question, made up for it with an excellent job of wetting out a range of standards designs for locomotives.

The first BESA 4-6-0s were solid hunks of sound engineering, bigger when introduced than almost anything that ran in the same country. Their closest relations at home seem to have been some 4-6-0s built in 19-3 for the Glasgow & South Western Railway by the North British Locomotive Co. of Glasgow. NGL were to supply the first standard 4-6-0s to India.

The BESA 4-6-0s stayed in top-line work even after their successors the India Railway Standard (IRS), XA and XB 4-6-2s had arrived in the mid-1920s, because of unsatisfactory qualities amongst the new arrivals. The great success of the BESA designs seems to lie in the fact that they were taken from British practice as it existed, with the difference that both average and maximum speeds in India were 25 per cent lower than at home while loads were about the same.
(from a web site that did not identify its source, therefore I shall not credit further.)

And with appreciation to Captain Tom for prior arrangements in loading my pictures from email to his photo site, here are a couple you may find of interest:





The HPS was a typical BESA design locomotive, and prior to the advent of the bullet nosed WP, was the standard and most popular express power on the Indian Railways. Several were hard at work well into the late 1980s, especially on the NR and SR. Express passenger locomotives were loosely referred to as 'mail engines' in India, and the handsome HPS class of locomotives was the standard mail engine till the WPs came in. The engines had a maximum speed of 90 kmph, in keeping with their sleek express engine profile. The HPS/2 was in fact a derivative from an earlier HP class of locomotive. Other variants of the HP were the HPS and HPS/1. All (except the HP class) were provided with superheating. (from: http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/nrm/outdoor3.htm)


Enjoy the weekend one and all and I look forward to being amongst you come Thursday . . . .


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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, July 8, 2006 3:08 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

In the office this Saturday and temp outside supposed to reach century mark. At least in office I don't have to pay for the A/C and better half is at one of her sisters.

Now I only have one problem at office the cleaning lady was in early this AM and can't find my floppy discs again. Oh well such is life.

Nice to see a good turnout this saturday many of the regulars dropping by.

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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, July 8, 2006 3:21 PM
Good Afternoon Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

‘Tis I, the Larsman for a round with the guys and a tall, frosty glass of whatever the house draught happens to be! Slide those snack bowls down this way, wudja [?] Oh yeah, here’s a couple of ten spots for a round or three whenever you feel the time is right! [tup]

Sorry to disappoint anyone, but the reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated and have reached where I am. It is necessary to report that they are false, if not perhaps misinterpreted. My fault for not clarifying – but then I would have to get into more personal stuff than I care to. Let’s just say that my home is in a state of upheaval right now – but there will be some settling down, and once that occurs, I should be able to frequent my favorite watering hole occasionally. Just can’t do it on a daily basis for the foreseeable future. Appreciate the well wishes, kind words and assorted other bits and pieces directed my way. <grin>

Very concerned for you up there in Alberta, BK and Lydia – fire isn’t something to take lightly. Not that you are – but once the skies are no longer providing the visibility and clarity necessary to assist with the early warnings – well, I think my point is taken. From the description you’ve provided here and by e-mail, my guess is you are indeed reviewing your escape route. Anyway, good to see you again and appreciate the kind words sent my way. [tup]

I have checked into a couple of other threads, before logging on this day and let me tell you, there’s more than just a few out there who are wound around the axle over this business of losing the stars. Some not so favorable comments thrown at the “coffee shops” (which includes us) and the “credit” given for weather reports and one line posts, etc. Well, these JOs haven’t spent much time around here, have they [?] That’s surely NOT us! I’d venture to say that we have more in our archives than any other Thread in the history of these forums when it comes to RELEVANT material for the Forum we are on. Much of that credit goes to Tom – but certainly not all. With guys out there like Doug, Rob, CM3 Shane, Al, Dave and Mike I defy anyone to show me where we can find similar amounts of QUALITY material! Just burns my stern section, big time, to read through this stuff. <arrrrrrrrrggggggggggggh> I’ll have another beer!


Couldn’t let this day pass without at least mention of my Mets who are still leading the pack in double digits and sending 6 players to the All Star game. Now that’s something else, in both departments! [tup] I’ve been sitting out on our back porch, listening to the game on the radio – doubleheader today. Florida took the 1st game. [sigh]

There are more wires and cables all over the floor for my temporary computer lash up than should be allowed for safe passage to the rest of the house. Takes a bit of doing just to get a computer session going – then everything must be disassembled. I feel like a kid who has to assemble and disassemble his train set each time it is put to use. <grin> At least we have an enclosed porch.

I’ve never been a fan of the “Doodlebug,” although I understand its place in RR history and the development of the RDC. It was said that there was an operating “DB” here on Staten Island – but I don’t know when or for how long. One day I’ll have to research that further . . . the B&O was the “parent” company for our Staten Island Rapid Transit before and during electrification of the routes. Anyway, interesting ENCORE from West Coast S Dave [tup] I must make a correction, however – the comments regarding flag burning should be attributed to Theodorebear Ted and not our “steamed Proprietor,” although my guess is Tom clearly feels the same way. [tup]

Nice ENCORE from BK on that Brit loco! [tup] My guess is Pete will be jumping in with some commentary.



Time for my contribution to this ENCORE Saturday! – here’s something from way back on 05 Feb 2006, page 238:

TurboTrain (from: www.trainweb.com)



TurboTrain – Penn/Dot – National Tour 1971 (from: www.trainweb.com)


TurboTrain – New Haven RR (from: www.trainweb.com)



TurboTrain – ViaRail/CN (from: www.trainweb.com)



TurboTrain – Amtrak – “The End” (1976) (from: www.trainweb.com)



I know I will not be around tomorrow – so hope everyone has an enjoyable weekend and rests up for the resumption of activities Thursday. [tup] [tup] [tup]

Until the next time!


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 8, 2006 5:11 PM
G'day!

Seems like a busier Saturday than I had figured it would be. Good to see the turnout, especially the ENCORE! contributions from Rob - Dave - Bud 'n Lars!! Excellent material and wonderful forward momentum . . .

I too have browsed a few Threads BEFORE logging on and have read quite a few whining and complaining type Posts regarding the loss of the stars, amongst other things. Quite a few guys have totally missed the point in Kalmbach's notice - thinking they must subscribe to a magazine in order to access these Forums. It surely boggles my mind how one can deduce such a thing - but then again, I presume competence when it comes to reading comprehension! [swg]

I'm sitting out the dialogue going on regarding this 'n that for the type of Posts on this Thread. I've said it many, many times - but it continues to be either ignored or just not absorbed: all contributions are welcome - all contributors are welcome - all who recognize one another are welcome. A bit of courtesy goes a long way - spreading out the Posts, rather than bunching them helps to keep us "up on the page" - breaking up long winded submissions into parts or sections surely makes sense when engaged in the 'data dump' mode and of course avoiding the "hit 'n run" Postings supports the idea of this tavern by the tracks. Ah, but I preach to the choir, eh [?] Who reads - aside from Pete!! [swg] [tup]

Anyway, just wanted to acknowledge the guys who made some contributions today - also to Ted 'n Al for stopping by. [tup]

Especially nice to see the "bookends' here on this Saturday! Now that hasn't happened in quite awhile . . .


Later (maybe!) [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, July 8, 2006 6:08 PM
Hi Tom and all .

A pint of Bathams and a round on the last encore day before the shut-down.

ROB. Thanks for looking into the Dome on #2 for me. I think your friend Jack is perhaps right about the photo being altered and it is a dome off another loco numbered 2. Very strange though.
Enjoyed the Brantford Encore the street railway had very impressive rider numbers considering the population of the town.

MIKE Great Pennsy links. Like you, I hope that in the new forum we can still do URLs .

TED. The bride has taken me on the Freedom Trail in Boston and I survived, so a bit of Anglo- American repartee is great.
Unfortunatly I did not get a game of Skittles in. but had a few games of cribbage was not at all successful.

DAVE Very interesting on the McKeen's cars, it would be great if the surviving car body could be united with the suitable running gear.

BK Thanks for the Indian Railways encore this is what I posted at the time.
Your posts on Indian Railways has sparked at lot of interest, keep them coming. Good to see you BK and great info on the BESA Loco. The private loco builders in the U.K. produced some impressive engines. What a great museum in the link I was particuly impressed by the Bayer- Garrett articulated loco on one of the pages. The Indian Railways must be congratulated on saving so many fine engines and stock.

LARS I will have to do some more research on the Indian locos.
The Turbo-Trains are impressive although the Amtrak livery does not seem to suit them too well.

TOM It is hard to believe that the London bombings were a year ago. I was on the tube a couple of times when I was over there and the people seemed to travel as normal with the only change being the annoucements over the loudspeakers about suspicious packages.
Thanks for the Baby Ruth link and the Wabash. Chessie and BR East Coast encores it seems thard to believe that it was posted way back on page 130. What I wrote at the time was:
On the East Coast route. Today it is still the fastest to the places mentioned, it isrun by GNER with mostly MK.4 stock hauled by class 91 electrics and a few HSTs which carry on north of Edinburgh on the non-electrified lines. Although it breaks my heart to say so, living on the West coast main line,in my humble opinion they are the best trains running in Britain FAR FAR FAR better than the new Pendelinos. Also the service on the GNER I have found to be first rate.

Getting back to the time of the poster, there was a great rivairy between the West and East routes. IN 1888 and again in1895 there was what was known as the Railway Races to the North. The 1895 race was brought about by the opening of the Forth Bridge thus making the East Coast route the shorter to the Granite City Aberdeen.After a few nights racing in which the trains got lighter and less stops were made the West Coast was the winner. Although the last part of the line to Aberdeen for the East Coast was over Caledonian Railway metals, a West Coast partner,and it is said that the signalman at Kinnerbar Junction gave the West Coast the advantage. Still for that time and the smallness of the locos some remarkable running was achieved One of the West Coast locos a 2-4-0 named HARDWICKE is in the National Railway Museum in York.

Not long after the races there were some serious derailments in England which were
said to have been caused by speeding the Goverment stepped in and the two rivals signed an agreement of ,I think, of not lessthan 8 hours between London and Edinburgh. This lasted till the 1930,s.

Some of the East Coast Expresses at the time were hauled by Stirling 7feet driving wheel 4-2-0s. The 'single wheelers having a come back with the event ot steam sanding. A trully Classic Locomotive class. The preserved loco #1 was steamed for a short while in the 70s .

That was written in October last year my opinion on the Penderlinos has gone up a bit since then I will explain when we get back up on the Forum. PETE>
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, July 8, 2006 7:08 PM

Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house. Lars brought up a good subject the Turbo Trains. I remember them well and am probably one passenger who can really say he enjoyed them inspite of there problems. The Via Rail picture that Lars contributed in the Yellow and Blue earned the trains the nickname Bic Bananas. They were truly different type trains and having traveled between Montreal and Toronto on many occasions on the Turbo's I'm sorry they never worked out all of the problems they had.
Canadian National
Turbo Trains
By Al
Canadian National had been advertising for some time that the new TURBO trains would enter service between Montreal and Toronto in time for “EXPO 67”. Instead these trouble plagued train sets would not enter service until December 1968 long after “EXPO 67” had ended. Two of the TURBO train sets entered service between Toronto and Montreal in December 1968 just in time for the Christmas rush and as soon as the Holiday rush was over they were withdrawn from service in January 1969 and returned to MLW for additional work. The “TURBO” trains again entered service in May 1970 and were withdrawn a second time in February 1971and once again returned to MLW for further work to find cures for some of the trains ongoing problems. The CN TURBO trains entered service a third time in April 1972 and the railroad finally purchased the TURBO trains in June 1976 but the units remained trouble plagued throughout their careers on the CN particularly in the winter months. The major problem with the TURBO trains in winter operation the one problem that was never overcome was the ingestion into the Turbines of that fine gritty snow all to common in the northeastern United States and eastern Canada. When the turbines picked up this snow they either shut down when the turbines were throttled up or if the snow was extremely heavy it damaged the Turbine blades. This was never a problem with the helicopters and aircraft equipped with the identical Pratt & Whitney (Canada) turbines. As long as the turbines were only idling there wasn’t a problem and eventually the CN TURBOS were sometimes operating with two turbine removed for service in Montreal and the remaining two supplying hotel power only to supply lighting and heat. When this happened the CN assigned either a single MLW FPA4 or GMD FP9A to pull the TURBOS between Montreal and Toronto. The CN eventually operated three nine car TURBO train sets with a power dome at each end. There were two four car TURBO train sets with two coaches between a pair of power domes, these were sold to the United States but before they could be delivered one of the sets intended for the U.S. was destroyed in an accident and subsequent fire. This occurred while the set was testing in he Montreal area. It had been the original intention of the CN to own five seven car TURBO train sets.. The three Canadian National TURBO train sets and the two sets for Amtrak (including the destroyed train set in the last column) are listed below with their original Canadian National numbers as follows.

TURBO POWER DOME CAB WITH 8 CLUB SEATS IN DOME AND 22 CLUB SEATS ON MAIN LEVEL Montreal Locomotive Works/ Pratt & Whitney (Canada) December, 1969 (Built for and assigned to Montreal – Toronto and Montreal – Ottawa service)

125 126 127 56 ex CN 128 57 ex CN 129

TURBO 40 REVENUE SEAT CLUB CARS WITH GALLEYS Montreal Locomotive Works December, 1969 (Built for and assigned to Montreal –Toronto and Montreal – Ottawa service)

200 202 204
201 203 263

TURBO 28 REVENUE SEAT NON SMOKING 10 REVENUE SEAT BUFFETERIA COACHES Montreal Locomotive Works December, 1969 (Built for and assigned to Montreal – Toronto and Montreal – Ottawa service)

225 227 229
226 228 257

TURBO 58 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Montreal Locomotive Works December, 1969 (Built for and assigned to Montreal – Toronto and Montreal – Ottawa service)

250 255 260 78 ex CN 262 76 ex CN 258
251 256 261 79 ex CN 252 77 ex CN 253
254 259 264

TURBO DOME POWER CAB 24 SEAT LOUNGE BAR 28 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Montreal Locomotive Works December 1969 (Built for and assigned to Montreal – Toronto and Montreal – Ottawa service)

150 151 154 64 ex CN 152 55 ex CN 153

TTFN Al
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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, July 8, 2006 8:07 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Mets' All Stars goal, World Series home-field advantage. Need at least 4 at Shea if it's the Red Sox.

Brantford Electric Railway
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/road/index_view.cfm?photoid=13637465&id=34

First house in Brantford to have a telephone
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/scenic/index_view.cfm?photoid=-1653350426&id=46

John Diefenbaker on the right, in France 1916
http://www.canadianheritage.org/images/large/20839.jpg

Map of east coast route London to Scotland cities
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/imfile/04162.jpg

Kings Cross Station
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/imfile/01830.jpg
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/imfile/00030.jpg

Flying Scotsman in 1st wireless communication with an airplane
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/imfile/00050.jpg

Train on Berwick Border Bridge over the Tweed
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/imfile/01880.jpg

Forth Bridge
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/imfile/00080.jpg

Train on bridge crossing Firth of Forth
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/imfile/00070.jpg

C&O Steam in West Virginia
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002876/00002940.jpg
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002876/00002959.jpg
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002876/00002926.jpg

Maximize to 'full screen' to see what I see in these photos.
People alive on the planet, getting their picture took.

Northern Pacific Railway grading crew, Sweet Briar Valley, Dakota Territory, 1879.
Looking at the camera 127 years ago. Possibly someone in the photo later rode through the area on a streamlined diesel train, thinking, in those days we couldn't imagine air conditioned dining cars.
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/259.jpg

Northern Pacific Railroad survey near the Green River
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/372.jpg

NP steam, Livingston, Montana 1895
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/221.jpg

Frozen Missouri River, tNP train on ice near Bismarck, North Dakota, March 1879
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/224.jpg

Missouri River & Northern Pacific train
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/220.jpg

Alaskan paddlewheel steamboat, in Seattle
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/818.jpg
Mike

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