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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:00 PM
G'day!

Just stopped in over at "my other Thread" after offering a [soapbox] bit on my thoughts regarding America's passenger train situation. Feel better - it's off my chest! [swg]

So, some good stuff here from CM3 in the form of supplemental and ENCORE! information regarding gct. I think the plaudits from Lars said it best. [tup]

Was wondering if we were going to see ya today! Thanx for stopping by - the quarters and the round! Always something "missing" without the WVA Report! [tup]

Lars You seem to be in quite the upbeat mood and mode today, Sir! Whatever it is you have been drinking - order me one! [swg] For some reason, I'm absolutely fatigued this afternoon - must be the blasted heat - can't handle it. <groan>

I'm rather unsure regarding Pete's return date - but it will be rather late in the month, not mid. Now BK remains the puzzle. My guess is he'll just show up and that will be that.

That was quite an outpouring regarding your feelings on baseball's mercenaries. [wow] I want you to know that I share every bit of your thoughts on the matter - feel the same way. Love the game - appreciate the skills - can't stand the direction MLB has taken. I'd like to see someone like Bob Costas become Commissioner. If you've ever listened to what he has to say - or even better, read his books - this guy is "spot on" when it comes to what needs to be done in order to cure the ills of the game. And let's not pretend the game is anything other than ill. <sad>

Glad the both of you enjoyed the GCT Post - it was a difficult endeavor but rather rewarding in that I appreciated learning the history of the place. I too have some wonderful memories from both major NYC rail centers. [yeah]

Okay - Boris RIng it! Drinks on the house . . .

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]




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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:02 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Really enjoyed the Detroit tunnel and Grand Central Terminal write ups.

Just dropped by the other thread for a minute and read your treatise on passenger trains in the US. Even in California the High Speed Rail is in trouble if we don't get a continuing bond passed this fall. If ever their is a state that needs a high speed rail service it is this state. The proposed Los Angeles to Oakland service to operate via the valley with connecting service to Sacramento is probably twenty years overdue. Just take a trip down the valley on I-5 or 99 on any day and the traffic is horrendous. ! Billion is to be spent bringing 99 up to intersate standards and even taht is not going to solve the congestion problems on th states to main North - South routes. The third North -South route 101 would require nearly 2 billion to bring it up to interstate standards and would never return the cost of the investment.
Yes high speeed rail is going to cost more than 10 billion but with both LAX and SFO already operating at near capacity it is the only alternative. Whether it is RR on private right of way operating at 200 mile per hour speeds or Mag-Lev operating at 300 miles per hour and highway speeds probaly never exceeding 70 mph in the state is their any other way to go.

With gasoline prices not very likely to drop the government also needs to look at assisting the railroads in electrification of the heaviest traveled main lines. With the known coal reserves we have this only makes sense. For all of those that pushed for the nuclear generating plants to be closed may they be forced to pay twelve dollars a gallon for gasoline.

Enough of my tyrade for the day set up another round on me and i'll cool down fof awhile.

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:06 PM
Hi Tom & everyone, a round for the house

Great photos of Grand Central today.

I raided the Library of Congress again. Hope it's not too many.

Grand Central Depot
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b40000/3b46000/3b46000/3b46079r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b20000/3b25000/3b25100/3b25133r.jpg

Grand Central Station
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/det/4a00000/4a08000/4a08800/4a08820r.jpg

Grand Central Terminal
1 http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/11600/11674r.jpg
2 http://home.mindspring.com/~railroadstories/sciam19110617/images/gcs01.jpg
3 http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/01800/01836r.jpg
4 http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b20000/3b27000/3b27200/3b27243r.jpg
5 http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b30000/3b32000/3b32500/3b32508r.jpg
6 http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b20000/3b21000/3b21800/3b21850r.jpg

Thumbnail of New York Central Building
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b30000/3b32000/3b32500/3b32509t.gif

New York Central Building on the skyline to the right of the Chrysler Building
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4050_long_island_rr_barges_icy_east_river_nyc_1945.jpg

Excavation & Construction
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/det/4a20000/4a22000/4a22900/4a22982r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/det/4a20000/4a22000/4a22900/4a22981r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/det/4a20000/4a27000/4a27500/4a27519r.jpg

World War II Mural
1 http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b37000/8b37500/8b37517r.jpg
2 http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b14000/8b14600/8b14677r.jpg
3 http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b37000/8b37500/8b37542r.jpg
4 http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b16000/8b16200/8b16215r.jpg

People looking at the mural
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b14000/8b14600/8b14685r.jpg

5 o'clock Shadow
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8c33000/8c33200/8c33205r.jpg

U.S. Mail
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/19700/19731r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/19700/19730r.jpg

Grand Central Station Post Office
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/ny/ny1600/ny1617/photos/119248pr.jpg
Post Office basementtrack level
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/ny/ny1600/ny1617/photos/119258pr.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/ny/ny1600/ny1617/photos/119259pr.jpg

20th Century Limited in the days of steam
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4012_new_york_central_20th_century_ltd_1930.jpg
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4019_ny_central_20th_century_ltd.jpg
NYC Hudson River steam
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4016_ny_central_hudson_river_line_croton_ny_1930s.jpg

Also, to fix (or compound) an error from the other day...

"More Alco" (sorry about that)
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200310232103157637.jpg&byrail%3A91%3AMaine_Central

EMDs
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=251833

Tom, my ride on the Long Island Rail Road was more comfortable than riding a bicycle uphill in the rain.
The new cars (new to me, it was my first trip in many years) are so different. I liked the old ones.
They use the word "platform" as a verb, as in "The two rear cars will not platform at this station."
No need to change at Jamaica anymore, and I kind of missed that. It was always a highlight.
Sinking into the East River tunnel made my ears pop, and I remembered my Dad's advice: Swallow.

The subway cost 2 bucks for a fifteen-cent tokenless slivver of plastic. The Staten Island Ferry is free,
but the view from the boat is substantially less for a gigantic ugly Wachovia Tower at the tip of Manhattan.
Skyscrapers in New Jersey are a distraction as well. The Statue of Liberty looks glorious as ever.

I was drawn to look through the fence at Ground Zero. Not much to see there, but a lot of memories.

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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:29 PM
Good evening Cap’n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


Back again, but only briefly! Just happened to be on line for other than goofing off and decided to, well . . . goof off! <grin> Saw Al’s comments at the bar and I decided that since hardly any of the guys here EVER visit “your other thread,” that I’d bring it over here . . . .

So, here’s my post and the response from Tom that started the dialogue Al jumped in on – but FIRST – how about a beer [?] One for the house too! [tup]

QUOTE: LoveDomes
Posted: Today, 15:11:26

Hiya Cap'n Tom

I'm not even going to try to dig up anything on the Erie - good grief! These are getting more difficult as the numbers rise! [swg]

So, here's my contribution for the day - DOMES - as the name implies, I love 'em . . .

Colorado Railcar Ultra Dome - Rocky Mountaineer



Colorado Railcar Ultra Dome - Holland America cruise lines



Alaska Railroad double deck dome by Colorado Railcar


Until the next time!


Lars




QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: Today, 16:43:51

G'day!

Lars - chill, man - chill! [swg]No sweat about not having anything to provide regarding some of these rather obscure RRs from the past. They surely weren't back then - but material IS difficult to come by these days. Not worth the worry - just being Posted for the interest.

Now, domes is where it's at! I just don't care for excursion and tourist trains per se. I'm a "real railroad passenger fan" so to speak. Now having said that, I'm also a "veteran" of many, many VIA Rail Canada trips where the overwhelming number of passengers were in fact - tourists. Same for our recently concluded Alaskan rail adventure - virtually all tourist. However - and this is a big however - we were in the "real" cars - not those being towed along and owned by cruise ship operators. No thanx.

I like these new double deck domes - whether they are called Ultra Domes or something else. Having traveled them I can say they surpass any rail experience I've ever had -and that says A LOT for me! I'd love to see VIA Rail use them on their cross Canada trains and get into a serious replacement program for their aging fleet whereby the single and double level domes become the "norm."

Now Amtrak is a totally different matter. I dare say we'll NEVER see these cars on Amtrak nor will we see replacements for the Superliner equipment. Stuff is simply breaking down, with the fleet dwindling so rapidly that talk of laying up a long distance train or two isn't really conjecture - at least that's what I'm hearing and reading - and NOT from Forum sources.

America's passenger rail system just plain ISN'T - but it could be. Using modern equipment is only one step in the right direction. We need a commitment from the Congress to put into place a RELIABLE, SAFE and MODERN system - one that moves people efficiently from place to place, free from the entanglements of bureaucratic BS and political gobbledygook. WIll it happen [?] Nope - not in two lifetimes, is my guess - and I'm 68.

Okay, that's it - and all begun because you Posted those Domes! [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]



Thought you’d like “the rest of the story!”


Nice spread of URLs from our resident UrlMeisterMonsterMan! [tup]


Until the next time!


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:21 PM
Good heavens gentlmen, I miss one day's reading and I'm 2 pages behind already.[tup] Tom, make it a night cap of C.R. and soda please w/twist, thanks. Well I'll make no bones about it, I've dropped far behind the curve in just a brief span. Starting from the Wednesday Toy and Model Trains input, let me say there were worthy reminders of Marklin models and John Allen's master strokes in HO. Yes, he certainly was the measure of all things in the 1050's and beyond. Rob, I appeciate the new "tack" with the "Barn" series. Hopefully this will be ongoing.[tup] Barndad Doug's series on the Detroit River tunnel leaves me speechless to comment on the resourceful people of those early days. From antiquity to the modern; the "ultra domes," single and double level dome cars information sparks new interest in "train spotting" again. I will probably not see any such improved rolling stock hereabouts, so seeing the pix, URLs and Links to them is really a treat.[^] Mike and Lars, I haven't had time to get to your last posts and will catch up a.s.a.p. very soon. We were all dazzled with Tom's fine G.C.T. extravaganza and added personal touches by CM3, I am sure. There isn't much to add save the fact, I was always felt intimidated by the frenzied activity just getting to and from the trains, shuttle, et al.[:O]

This is an embarassingly brief reponse to the excellent offerings yesterday and today. A phone call from Bay Pines V.A. hospital this afternoon rescheduled my appointment from the 22nd to early tomorrow morning. To make matters worse, FHA and HUD people need documentation which I must collect before meeting them on the feasibility of a "reverse" mortgage. I hope to keep these interruptions at a minimum but no guarantees, of course. In the meantime, I just want ro say things are looking better all the time hereabouts with new directions and more diversity than ever before. Until a more favorable time, I must call it a night. Happy rails to all.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:48 PM
Good evening Leon you great hulking hunk of humanity. I think I'
ll take a cr as I'm now off the clock for the day.Also if and of H&H's famous or infamous Bavarian Fish Fry is left in the kitchen I will attempt a plate full.

Lars Thanks for bringing over da'bosses musings from the other thread.He is so right in both what's wrong and unfortunatly when ( if ever ) it will be fixed. I agree with Al needs to be done, but if it isn't good for the bottom line well you know the rest of the story. [tdn] I'm glad that you liked the museum type posts, I try to keep them as interesting as possible, some stuff just doesn'y transpose well.

CM3 I'm shocked that you actually kwen or know someone that could recount the Roosevelt incedent.Unfortunatly the pictures of te seagoing trolley and the armoured one scanned too dark for posting ( as I had feared ) Great add in enciore to Tom's GCT post, truly an impressive building !

Mike Great urls as always and on topic as always [tup] x5 for you as well sir. I can relate to the changing landscape around the big cities. I travel to Toronto by rail at least twice a year, and there's always some new building blocking more of the sun out along the waterfront rail line that heads into Union station. Tom and Ted can attest to the mass of humanity now hovering above and around Toronto Union and the Gardiner expressway.

Ted Well I'll wish you luck in your endevours tomorrow, hopefully no news is good news as they say.I think that I will keep up the tales of the wierd as they seem to have had a favourable responce thus far. I'll also keep the other " features" going time to time as well. Gotta rebuild the repetoire of new stuff after encoring so much of the old stuff the last few weeks.

Tom Now that you've vented are you better [?] Always good to get the stuff that bugs you off the ole chest. And yes it has been a while since I travelled to the other thread. Not to worry I shall pop in over there once in a bit . This place is more of my home and safe harbour on the forums though and I suspect will remain that way.[tup]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:20 PM
All right I shall drop another weird tales upon you kind folks today. Seeing as how Ted has given them a glowing ( no pun intended ) endorsement.

Weird Tales From The Barn # 3 Street Railway Rules

Here's some of the more unusual rules for street railway employees

First set from Brooklyn Rapid Transit c1900


1) Employees are prohibited from entering saloons when in uniform,and from frequenting such places. Preference in employment and advancement will be given to total abstainers.

2) Lying down or lounging in the cars is prohibited.Condustors and motormen will never sit down while their car is in motion.

3) While engaged in operating a car, whistling, talking,or shouting to teamsters is forbidden,unless necessary to avoid an accident.

4) Should car become electrically charged, pole should be immediatly pulled down
Ouch that would cause some grief to the crew !

ASRA RULES

After 1903 most street railway companies adopted the ASRA rule book. ( American Street Railway Association ) here's some examples....


Rule 3 Conductors and Motormen must be clean and neat

Rule 4 Conductors and Motormen must treat passengers with politness and must not make threatening gestures nor use loud,uncivil,or profane language,even under the greatest provacation.


There were 89 general rules in the ASRA rulebook ! Covering everything from language to the proper tying of one's tie !One of the leading creators of this rulebook Rodger Burns also put out a small paper back titled How to Become a Motorman heres an excerpt.

Do not lose control of your temper ! Many man of whom I have personal knowledge has lost his position because of a quick temper. I remeber a motorman who was always ill tempered. The minute he stepped into the vestibule and got his hand on the controller handle, he was angry at eberyone and everything. there was never anything right;the conductor was too slow, or the passengers were too slow,or too many people wetre riding.he had an idea that everyone wanted to ride with him, and they brouhgt all the old women,little children, and cripples on his car so he could not make his time.

The next paragraph is my personal favourite.

Do not forget your personal appearance.nothing gives a motorman a better stand in the public eye than to be clean and neatly dressed. If there is anything that disgusts me in a fellow worker,it is to sit behind him and gaze on a neck so dirty that you could raise a crop of potatoes on it without any fertilizer.


Enjoy Rob



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Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, June 16, 2006 12:43 AM
Good evening... or should I say good morning!? Coffee, please. I need a cup before I hit the sack.
Just read the posts since my last visit.

Tom - Wow, most interesting reading about Grand Central. I have never been there, only at Penn Station.
My drinking habits are very limited. It is coffee, coffee and then some coffee. Sometimes a beer. Iced tea is okay. But if you can recommend some real good drinks at “Our place” I’ll be happy to try them. I guess I missed the URL about St. Louis Union Station. Have to go back and find it.

Rob - Indeed oddball trolleys. I hope you will be able to scan those pictures. Too bad no one was saved.

cm3 - Enjoyed your little story about GTC. It really is a nice addition to Tom’s history. I ceratinly have to visit GTC next time I get to Big Apple.

Lars - I don’t know what to say, Mets... hmm. They beat Diamondbacks real bad recently and that is very hard to accept. But next year...

It is hard to make it here before midnight, but early morning is better than not making it at all. Weekends are better. I really don't have anything to show or tell tonight, just wanted to say Hi. [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 16, 2006 5:09 AM
Good morning one and all, and I believe I have time for a complete light breakfast today. The Grand Central Terminal post really opebend my eyes yesterday, Tom, and was most impressive. Especially when complimented by CM3's personal experiences. I just happened to have watched a "panavision" pieces on the 20th Century Limited at my club meeting the other night. Did you know that it took 47 employees onboard to run a 17 car train? COmpare that against the number of employees you would need to haul freight instead! Great to see Lars and Ted yesterday as well, along with Mike's usual terrific URLs, and Rob's new tales series. I especially liked the seagoing trolley story!

Here's my last installment on the Detroit-Windsor tunnel before I run to work! Have a great day!

Down The Tubes – Vol. 17 Rail Classics – John Uckley
Freight originated at Farmingham, Massachusetts entered Canada at Niagara Falls and will soon be back in the U.S. at Detroit.

Michigan Central President Harry B. Ledyard was at the controls of DRT electric No. 7504 as it pulled the very first train through the tunnel from Detroit to Windsor on July 26, 1910: while New York Central President William K. Vanderbilt also rode in the cab as a distinguished guest.

Initial freight operations commenced at (:00 a.m. on Sunday morning, October 16, 1910. (Unfinished track work in Detroit caused the delay.) An electric locomotive rumbled into the Detroit tunnel portal with a long string of freight cars and emerged at Windsor 12 minutes later. By 4:00 p.m. eleven more freight trains had been pulled through the tubes. Freight service was then halted for the day so that railroad brass could evaluate the overall performance and quickly set up a comprehensive schedule for the days and weeks to come. Four of the six new Alco/GE electrics had been used on this occasion; with some 500 cars (40 to 45 cars per train) moved through the tunnel, averaging 13 minutes per trip between gradient summits.

Regularly scheduled passenger service also began on the same date. The first westbound varnish under the river was the Fast Western Express at 1:55 p.m., while the first eastbound train was the Wolverine at 3:40 p.m. The mixture of freight and passenger movement was smoothly coordinated and no delays were reported. Michigan Central’s venerable cross river carferry service had been dealt a mortal blow in the name of progress.

American/Canadian freight passenger traffic burgeoned steadily during the early years of tunnel operations. The call went out for additional power in 1914. Four new R-la electrics soon graced the DRT roll call. No. 7506 arrived in April. 7507 and 7508 appeared in May, and 7509 was added in June. Tractive effort rose to 60,500 lbs. and weight swelled to 246,900 lbs. (Units later renumbered 166-169.)

In May, 1926, the final pair of steeple-cab electrics were fabricated. Nos. 7510 and 7511 were R-lbs which possessed a tractive effort of 62,325 lbs. and weighed 249,860 lbs. They were the heaviest steeple-cabs ever built (Alco/GE) and were later rechristened 170-171.

As a supplement to the original tunnel electrics, several New York Central R-2 class boxcab electrics, built in 1931 by Alco/GE and nicknamed Big Jobs, were assigned to Detroit on several occasions for extended service periods during the waning years of DRT juice use. R-2s Nos. 1204-1208 (later 302-306) and No. 1212 (310) were rail routed from the New York City area to Detroit and put to work. Tractive effort was 66,600 lbs. and weight tipped the scales at 266,400 lbs.

The R-1s, R-1as, R-lbs, and R-2s had direct contact pickup shoes on their trucks which enabled them to receive electricity from an inverted rail outrigger of the Sprague-Wilgus underrunning type, placed directly adjacent to the tracks. A small roof-mounted pantograph could also be utilized to collect juice from an intricate overhead rail network which was erected at critical switch points and frogs and also within the confines of the Bush-style train shed at Detroit, where the ground-level third rail system would have been a mortal hazard to unsuspecting travelers.

The final chapter in the DRT electric locomotive saga occurred on September 9, 1952, when a group of huge Class DES-3 triple-power boxcab units (built in 1930) were shipped to the Motor City from New York. These hybrid freight maulers were capable of movement in any one of three different ways: oil-electric power, third-rail power, or storage battery power.
Did these men really ride through the tunnel on the front of this locomotive. They could have, but we really do not know. This is one of several publicity photos taken shortly after the tunnel opened.




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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 16, 2006 6:23 AM



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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 05:10:47 (354) Barnyard Talk, Down the Tubes, pt II & Joke!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 07:36:44 (354) Thursday’s Info & 13 Post Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 07:45:56 (354) Something Special Announcement

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 09:55:19 (354) Daylite Inclusive Post!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 10:00:06 (354) RR Stations – Depots & Terminals #2 – Grand Central Terminal

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 10:30:15 (354) WTB #2 – Oddball Trolleys, pt I

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 10:42:10 (354) GCT comments

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 11:08:41 (354) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 11:20:40 (354) and then some!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 12:53:13 (354) for Rob

(11) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 14:08:30 (354) WVA Report ‘n GCT nostalgia!

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 15:00:14 (354) The Larsman Report!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 17:00:54 (354) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 18:02:41 (355) Al’s Left Coast Opinion!

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 18:06:44 (355) GCT URLs, etc.

(16) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 18:29:41 (355) Something different!

(17) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 21:21:18 (355) PM Gulf Coast Incluisve Post!

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 22:48:46 (355) Count Robulla’s Inclusive Post!

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 23:20:45 (355) WTB #3 Street Railway Rules




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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 16, 2006 8:58 AM
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Watch for it BEFORE NOON!



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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, June 16, 2006 9:31 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Beautiful day here in the coalfields with bright sunshine and warmer temperatures forecast for the weekend and into next week. Gas prices are $2.89 (dropped 6 cents this week), but we all know that someone will sneeze somewhere and they’ll shoot higher again.

First a humble apology for failing to acknowledge the Marklin-related information; thanks for the post(s).

Lars – Thanks for the kind words.

With a tip of the cap to Bob and Ray - Spotlighting Sports on the Sportlight Spotlight: Unfortunately the Red Sox are scheduled to play the Mets soon; it will kind of be like a trip through the sawmill; especially if your boys keep hitting and playing well like they did on their recent road trip. However the Cardinals are hanging in. If Boston doesn’t provide some life support to their pitching staff, you may as well stick a fork in them as they won’t even get to the wild card.

Mike had lots of neat URLs to look at. The Library of Congress site is amazing and they add to it all the time. At one time, they had a wonderful color selection of ancient baseball cards – maybe it is still there.

A couple of comments.

That shot of NY harbor was certainly done on a COLD day – the river is full of ice. The cars, lighters and tugs are truly fascinating.

The picture of NYC 5271 is an NYC publicity shot. Look sharp and you’ll see that there are green flags on the locomotive. Legend has it that they stopped the train for the picture and then let the train proceed. I sort of doubt it as they were not about to stab 25/26 for anything, but it does make for a good story. Also, check out the drop coupler on the front of the locomotive.

Then we have a lovely shot of the 1938 Century.

Last, thanks for the color shot of MEC 335 and 334 – “them ARE EMDs.” I think you can see what gives MEC modelers fits when trying to model a particular time period as there were more than a few color schemes out there. It’s almost as frustrating as trying to get a handle on Lehigh Valley paint.

Theodorebear – Hang in there; I am dealing with some of the same stuff from 1100 miles away. I hate houses, etc., and can’t wait to deal with the attorneys when I head north later this month. Then I’m getting part of my own humble piece of coal camp architecture partially gutted/remodeled when I get return.

Rob – As Tom will tell you, I’m old (LOL). Seriously, I wish you could have known the gentleman in question (TR and the trolley story) as he had a profound knowledge of local history as well as being a walking encyclopedia of Boston and Albany/New York Central lore (and I thought I was bad).

We used to go out photographing fairly regularly, and one day he surprised me by digging around in his stuff and producing three albums of b&w action pictures of the Boston and Albany in the 1920s, 30s and 40s; his father had started doing the albums and he picked up where his father left off. These prints were razor sharp, and we “consumed mass quantities,” as Beldar used to say, while looking through the pictures.

BTW, he did traction stuff as well such as Boston Elevated, Eastern Mass St. Railway, Middlesex and Boston, etc. Middlesex and Boston had the contract for the school buses where I grew up – even then, you knew you were riding a piece of history as “regular equipment failures” were fairly common.

Mike – The PC job at the tunnel was interesting. Back in the 70s there were several trains that originated in Boston and filled out at Framingham, Ashland, and Springfield, MA. Some of them were mixed freights, others often ran solid blocks of ref. cars, and still others were so-called van train (east end NYC term for TOFC). These carried a TV designation with a number such as TV6, TV9, etc. IIRC, these TV designations existed into the days of Conrail, b4 CSX put in their god-awful symbol system. So if the caption is what it says it is, then that train may very well be TV9.

Well, I have rambled on enough. Nickel Plate next week, excellent!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, June 16, 2006 10:34 AM
Good morning folks. Tom I think I can handle a number 3 and the ole thermos of coffee again this morning.( As long as Boris hasn't been stirring with his fingers again )I'm glad to see that things are starting to tick along here, feels like old times just about [tup]

Eric Hey better late then never. I'm usuually ( almost always ) in late as well. It helps keep leon awake if a couple of us come in late at night anyway.Always glad to have some comopany at night around here.[tup] Those pictures were from an old magazine article I found, and just will not blow up or brighten up sufficiantly with the scanner software I have anyway. I'll keep trying I have one more option if it works I'll post them on Sunday.Along with the shots that turned out not too badly from thelittle airshow we went to last saturday. [tup]

Doug I'm glad that you liked the seagoing trolley, I couldn't imagine someone building something like that nowaday's. Different times I guess. With the electricity a "new" thing back then people did like their gagets whether they were practical or not at the time.Great final installment of the Detroit River Tunnel,what an amazing piece of engineering and an equally interesting operation. I'm actually supprised that it and the Sarnia tunnels had their electrification removed, just seemed to make sence to me to have them set up that way.Dual power locomotives could have come along way had the companies stayed with them.[sigh] Loved the licence plate, your right it was better than a joke today. [tup][;)]

CM3 Sooo Tom thinks your old as dirt eh [?] LOL. I hope that your friends photo collection got saved for posterity somewhere. I've seen to many families junk collections like that over the years, if they didn't have the intreset. Truly a loss to all. He reminds me of our one founding member at the Museum. jack's in his 80's but can recount the colours and patterns on bus and streetcar seats, paint schemes you name it from the 20's to preasant. He's written a few traction books over the year as well, and has a photo collection to rival I don't know what. Ontario and Quebec and a fair bit of NE US traction pictures. We know at least that when he does pass on his photo collection is comming to the museum to be protected and archieved. To that end we've actuially picked up three CP rail plug door newsprint cars that were retire this year. They are completely sealed and in good condition. We are modifying them to seve as archieval storage cars for all the paper artifacts at the musuem. Old books timetables photo's, roll signs etc.

Tom You are keeping us in suspence again. I half to know what the speacial thing is. LOL


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 16, 2006 10:49 AM
Featured Locomotives #1

PRR GG1




Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds and logos from other sources.



Amtrak #928, a former PRR GG1, speeds through North Elizabeth, New Jersey in December, 1975


Built by: Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR), Altoona, PA

Power type: Electric

Build date: 1934 – 1943

Total production: 139

AAR wheel arr.: 2-C+C-2

Gauge” 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm)

Length: 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m)

Total weight: 477,000 lb (216,000 kg)

Electric system: 11,000 V AC, 25 Hz

Collection method: dual pantograph

Engine type: quill drive

Top speed: 100 mph (160 km/h) (passenger) 90 mph (144 km/h) (freight)

Power output: 4,920 hp (3,660 kW)

Tractive effort: 70,700 lbf (314 kN)

Career: Pennsylvania Railroad, Penn Central, Amtrak

Class: GG1

Locale: Northeast United States

Disposition: most scrapped, several preserved in static display around the U.S.


The Pennsylvania Railroad's GG1 class of electric locomotives were built between 1934 to 1943 at the PRR shops in Altoona, Pennsylvania, with a total of 139 units constructed. They remained in service with the PRR's successors until the early 1980s. The GG1 became one of the most recognized and famous classes of locomotive worldwide.

Technical information

The GG1s were large locomotives, 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m) long and weighing 477,000 lb (216,000 kg). The main body was a single unit formed as a bridge-truss framework and clad in welded steel plate. The driving cabs were set up high about a third of the way along the locomotive from each end for greater crew safety in an accident. A narrower section of nose in front of the cab windows enabled view forward, although the nose remained full height to carry the current-collection pantographs. The bodywork as a whole was smoothly rounded.

This was mounted upon two great cast steel locomotive frames linked by a hinge at the locomotive's middle which allowed side-to-side movement. Six driving wheels (three axles) were fitted towards the center of the locomotive on each truck (twelve in total) and a four-wheeled, unpowered guiding truck was mounted toward each end. In the Whyte notation for steam locomotives, each frame comprised a 4-6-0 locomotive; in the PRR's classification system, 4-6-0s were class "G". The GG1 consisted of two such locomotive frames mounted back to back, so it was classified GG—4-6-0+0-6-4. This arrangement is called 2-C+C-2 in AAR wheel arrangement notation. Each driven axle was powered by two 410 hp (305 kW) GEA-627-A1 traction motors mounted above and to either side of the axle. Drive was through a reduction gear and a quill drive assembly.

While the famous industrial designer Raymond Loewy did not design the shape of the GG1 electric locomotives, he did improve their looks by recommending a smooth welded construction be used (rather than riveted construction), along with a pinstriped paint scheme to highlight their smoothly rounded forms.


Penn Central #4801 and #4800 haul freight through North Elizabeth, New Jersey in December of 1975.

The GG1 was designed to run on the standard Pennsylvania Railroad catenary power of 11,000 V AC, 25 Hz. This high voltage was stepped down by a large transformer mounted in the center of the locomotive body for the traction motors, cooling blowers and all other onboard equipment. The locomotive's power was controlled via a tap-switching arrangement; the number of secondary windings in use could be varied, thus adjusting the output voltage. The units were rated at 4,920 hp (410 hp per motor) continuous rating and a maximum of 9,500 hp at 49 mph (intermittent duty). For passenger service, the GG1 was geared to run at 100 mph maximum although it achieved 110 mph in testing. For freight service, the locomotive was geared to run at 90 mph maximum.


History

A GG1 crash

One of the more interesting moments in the history of the GG1 locomotive took place on the morning of January 15, 1953 at Washington's Union Station. Due to a brake line **** (valve) that closed due to poor location (its location caused the valve to close due to contact with the bottom cross member of the car), the Federal Express from Boston was unable to apply the brakes on part of the train. Pushed by the unbraked cars, the GG1 engine and two passenger cars ran off the end of Track 16 and crashed through the floor of Union Station and into the baggage room. In a remarkable demonstration of the durability of the GG1 engines, Engine #4876 was later cut into three pieces, removed from the baggage room, and reassembled at the Altoona (PA) shops of the Pennsylvania Railroad. It then re-entered commercial service and went on to be one of the last-serving GG1 engines.


GG1 4876 after the crash.

Disposition

While it is widely believed that the GG1s were retired due to a change in the electric power supply on the former PRR electrified zone, other concerns led to the retirement of the GG1s. Aside from maintenance and performance issues, the nail in the GG1's coffin was an ever growing problem with frame cracks which were expensive to repair and occurring more and more frequently. Amtrak's first attempt to replace the GG1, the E60, did not live up to expectations. Amtrak's purchase of AEM-7 electric locomotives allowed it to retire its fleet of GG1s. With the AEM-7s on hand Amtrak was not only able to replace its own GG1s, but sell a number of E60s to New Jersey Transit to replace their GG1s operating commuter trains on the North Jersey Coast Line.

It has often been proposed for a GG1 to be restored to operating condition. While it would be theoretically possible to run a GG1 on the current Northeast Corridor's electrical system, surviving GG1s contain large amounts of toxic PCBs in their electrical systems as well as asbestos. These considerations puts a restoration far out of reach for most non-profit preservation groups.

Surviving examples


Pennsylvania Railroad #4890, on display at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, Wisconsin.



PRR 4927, still lettered for Penn Central, at IRM.

• PRR 4800 — RR Museum of PA, Strasburg, PA (a.k.a. "Old Rivets" — the prototype GG1 and was the only GG1 that had a riveted body).
• PRR 4859 — Transportation Center, Harrisburg, PA (designated as official electric locomotive of PA in 1938).
• PRR 4876 — B&O Museum, Baltimore, MD (as of 2004, in Rapidly Deteriorating Condition); the GG1 has been moved to a CSX Yard some where in Baltimore.
• PRR 4877 — New Jersey Transit yard, Morristown, NJ.
• PRR 4879 — URHS of NJ.
• PRR 4882 — National NYC Railroad Museum, Elkhart, IN. (Currently painted as Penn Central 4882)
• PRR 4890 — National Railroad Museum, Green Bay, WI.
• PRR 4903/Amtrak 4906 — Age of Steam Museum, Dallas, TX (pulled Robert Kennedy's Funeral Train along with GG1 4901 from New York to Washington on June 8, 1968).
• PRR 4909/Amtrak 4932 — Cooperstown Junction, NY (arguably the most confused ownershipped surviving GG1; cited and/or supposed owners have ranged from Steamtown National Historic Site to the Henry Ford Museum).
• PRR 4913/Amtrak 4913 — Railroader's Memorial Museum, Altoona, PA.
• PRR 4917/Amtrak 4934 — Leatherstocking RY Museum, Cooperstown Jct, NY (one of 75 GG1s built with Westinghouse components, the other 64 GG1s used GE devices and motors).
• PRR 4918/Amtrak 4916 — Museum of Transportation, St. Louis, MO (was once the property of the Smithsonian Institute).
• PRR 4919/Amtrak 4917 — VA Museum of Transportation, Roanoke, VA.
• PRR 4927/Amtrak 4939 — Illinois Railway Museum, Union, IL (Amtrak's renumbering in 1976 to 4939 bucked 42 years of numbering by making it the highest numbered GG1).
• PRR 4933/Amtrak 4926 — Central NY Chapter NRHS, Syracuse, NY (plans are to make it run via a diesel motor).
• PRR 4935/Amtrak 4935 — RR Museum of PA (a.k.a. "Blackjack" — arguably the best-restored and best-displayed GG1 due to its display in a climate controlled environment).

Last scrapped GG1s

• PRR 4872/NJT 4872 — Date Scrapped Unknown by New Jersey Transit.
• PRR 4873/NJT 4873 — Sold for scrap in 1992 by the Whippany Railroad Museum.

The GG1 in the movies

• In the 1962 version of The Manchurian Candidate, the train that Marco (Frank Sinatra) takes north from Washington, D.C. is being pulled by a Pennsylvania Railroad GG1 dressed in the standard PRR pinstripes.
• A GG1 can be seen briefly during the first robot attack sequence in the 2004 film Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
• A GG1 can be seen briefly during the first few minutes of the 1945 film The Clock.
• Two GG1s (one painted black with white Penn Central logo; the other in silver, red and blue for Amtrak) can be seen at the end of the movie The Seven Ups.

References

• Hollingsworth, Brian and Arthur F. Cook (1987). The Great Book of Trains. Portland House, New York, NY. ISBN 0-517-64515-7.
• Middleton, William D. (2002). The Pennsylvania Railroad Under Wire. Kalmbach Publishing, Waukesha WI. ISBN 0-89024-617-3.



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Photo Gallery from other sources


PRR GG1 #4800 (foto credit: RR Museum of PA)




PRR GG1 #4859 (foto credit: Transportation Center, Harrisburg, PA)




Pennsy GG1 #4877 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)





Pennsy GG1 #4877 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org




PRR GG1 #4890 (foto credit: Frank Hicks)




PRR GG1 #4890 (foto credit: National RR Museum, Green Bay, WI)




PRR GG1 #4903 (courtesy: Age of Steam Museum, Dallas, TX)




PRR GG1 #4913 (foto credit: Ana Dill)




Pennsy GG1 #4916 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)




PRR GG1 #4927 (foto credit: Illinois Railway Museum)




PRR GG1 #4933 (foto credit: Jack Humphrey)




PRR GG1 #4933 (foto credit: Richard Duley)




Pennsy GG1 #4935 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)




PRR GG1 #4935 (foto credit: RR Museum of PA)


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Enjoy!

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 16, 2006 1:44 PM
G'day Gents!

Another beautiful, but rather warm (85 F) day here in mid-continent USA with continuing clear skies. Noticed that petrol up at “Collusion Corner” has dropped to $2.68 (rounded) per gallon – what a deal! <groan> Yeah, I know, it could be worse – and probably will.

With the bride on a summer schedule, my days begin a bit later than normal – no more 5 AM reveille! <yay> Actually, that should continue into the next full semester and beyond as we get to become a bit more “civil” with our waking. Juneau the Wonder Husky already appreciates it – he shows much disdain for early wake ups! <grin>

So, what’s new ‘round the joint [?] Not a whole hulluvalot – Boris has the scaffolding up in the back room for some long needed painting. He and Leon plan to get it done on Sunday – then off we go for our “traditional” romp up at Can-Am Gorge – wildlife beware! [:O]

The Gals of ”Our” Place have asked for some reduced hours as things have been really slow on our “menu nights” – Thursday thru Saturday. I see no problems with it and we’ll just have one of ‘em in, rather than the three all of the time. New sked is Posted over by Herr Wurlitzer – can’t miss it! <grin>

In case you may have totally forgotten, here are THE GALS of "Our" Place

Ruth, Ann, Lucy, Jemima - hired by Tom as the "Redhead - Blonde - Brunette and Raven haired beauty." Nick provided the names - so Ruth is the redhead, and so on .........

They work weekend nights - Friday's and Saturdays, with occasional special events - lingerie shows, etc.

Next comes Cindy our great looking auburn haired faculty member from the all female Mentor Village University, right up the road. Cindy works behind the bar for me when I need a break on weekend days and in the kitchen when Nick, our Chief Chef is in. She’s a volunteer and not part of the paid staff. Cindy also likes to do Lingerie Shows for Victoria’s Secret. [wow]


Some acknowledgments are in order:

passengerfan Al Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 18:02:41

Two things: Thanx very much for reading the material over on “my other Thread” and much appreciation for sharing your thoughts regarding the subject of passenger railroads in the U.S. and in particular, California. Certainly find your position very much aligned with my own and many, many other people with whom I have interacted on this subject over the years. Spending countless billions for highways and runways, while devoting a relative pittance to the railroads will only deepen the hole we’ve dug for ourselves. Isn’t hindsight wunnerful [?] <grin>


wanswheel Mike Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 18:06:44

What’s to say other than a continued THANX for the URLs! I think the substance of the GCT epistle is much more interesting than the Pix. The latter serve to supplement, which they do quite well. Nevertheless, when it comes to keeping a conversation flowing – yours are indeed extremely relevant bits of imagery. [tup]


LoveDomes Lars Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 18:29:41

Now, THAT was a very clever thing you did – bringing “my other Thread” over here! [tup] Good way to tie the loose ends together in order to provide a bit of continuity to the discussion – given that any more than a handful were keeping track of it! <geesh> Nevertheless, appreciate the effort and it shows that reading the material does indeed pay off! [tup]


Theodorebear Ted Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 21:21:18


I share your memories regarding GCT (and Penn Station) – there was that frenzy of activity you spoke of which caused one to seriously “make a move” only when absolutely sure of it. Otherwise you could wind up on a subway train to Canarsie! [swg]

When we speak of 2 pages going by in just a day or two, keep in mind the way we felt when perhaps 4 times that number flew by over at ‘the other place.’ At least ours are substantive and largely inclusive making them well worth the time ‘n effort to read.

As always, [tup] regarding your VA appointment! Maybe you’ll run into the guy who was responsible for the loss of our military-related personal and private info. A castration procedure, perhaps is in order! [?] <uh-oh>


trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jun 2006, 22:48:46 & 23:20:45

Like those “rules” you provided. They bring to mind some thoughts I’ve always had (in my adulthood) regarding the subject of rules and the like.

Why do we have ‘em [?] Because of those in a given society who decide to step outside the bounds of what the greater number (aka: majority) hold as morays and folkways – or “the way we want it,” and “the way we’ve always done it.” When the first idiot decided to walk naked into the town square – a rule was declared. Perhaps when the first couple decided to publicly engage in “that which comes naturally,” another rule was established. Many hold that we shouldn’t have to make rules for things that everyone SHOULD already know. There’s the rub – everyone DOESN’T know – much less care. If the socialization of children doesn’t take place within the home, and the institutions supporting our families and society at large (schools ‘n Churches come to mind), how then can anyone really mean it when they say, “They should have known better.”

It’s a great subject – in fact there are university courses (Sociology comes to mind) where this subject actually takes up a semester of time and discussion. “Rules are made to be broken,” say the naysayers. I offer, they are always there to be changed. Just change ‘em within the bounds of society rather than by disobedience for attention gathering sake.

On the lighter side, you gotta wonder what the origin of many of those rules was! I’d like to know “the other side of the story!” [swg] Nice work! [tup]


EricX2000 Eric Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 00:43:32

Drinks around this joint run the spectrum of one’s imagination. We stock everything that is considered “trade” – but no micro brews and the like. For example, if one would like a brew from Sweden, we have:

Blå Gul 5.2% ( 0,5L )
Fresh Swedish Light Lager, with soft aftertaste.

Pripps Beer - World Class Swedish Beer!

Spendrups Premium Lager -
Great taste from Swedish Spendrups!

"Fem komma tvåan" and "Sju komma tvåan" -
Great Swedish Beer from Åbro!

And many, many more! We have the lights, the darks, the Pilsners, the Bocks, et al.


URLs regarding St. Louis’ Union Station:

http://www.stlouisunionstation.com/

http://www.slfp.com/UnionStation.html

http://stlouis.about.com/cs/attractions/a/unionstation.htm

Enjoy! [tup]


barndad Doug Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 05:09:18

Cute license plate! [tup] Nice wind up to the three-parter on the Detroit River Tunnel. Well done! [tup]

Glad you enjoyed the GCT and supplemental “stuff.” Makes this Thread most unique, wouldn’t you agree [?] <yeah>


coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 09:31:29

What’s to say other than another fine contribution from our friend in the coal fields of WVA!

Apology not required – I KNOW you read the ‘stuff’ being Posted and it’s rather easy to not pick up on all of it given the way “things” somehow are not always available when one logs in.

As you know – and probably are bored to distraction about – I use the “Refresh/Repost” feature as often as possible AND stick around AFTER Posting, because it is during those times that one can find Posts otherwise not seen.

I particularly enjoyed your comments regarding GCT yesterday and they brought back many vivid recollections of my own. Seems that anyone who experienced that palace of a train depot – station – terminal came away with similar observations. They begin with [wow] – whether knee high to a grasshopper or as an adult. Thanx again for sharing those thoughts with us! [tup]

Appreciate the round and quarters for our Coal Scuttle!


trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 10:34:39

Daylite Posts become you – or something like that! Good to see ya and appreciate the business here at the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill!!” Yesterday we had 19 Posts – not at all bad for a Thursday, eh [?] You betcha! [tup] Substance was there – repeat Posts too – just an all around good day at the bar. Too bad so many will miss out on the material – but that’s life and I surely can’t do anything about other people’s poor decisions.

Need not be in suspense any longer – the ‘surprise’ is out of the bag, so to speak! Enjoy. [tup]


That’s it for now. I’ll be behind the bar for the day! So, whatillyahave [?]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, June 16, 2006 3:15 PM
Hiya Cap'n Tom

Awesome Pennsy GG1s!! Never get enough of them either. [tup] [tup] [tup]
Reminds me of your B'day Bash! <grin> But why not view 'em again, huh [?] They need to be seen to be appreciated, since we no longer can experience the thrill of being pulled along by one.

I'm just a bit pressed today for time, so forgive the briefness of this submission. Do have time for a quickie - how about a hit of JD on the rocks [?] That'll pick me up in the right places.

Nice run down on the commentary, so I'll steal a page and say "ditto" - is that acceptable for the day [?] <grin> Here's a couple of ten spots to buy the bar - maybe then I'll get forgiveness! <smile>

What's to say about my Mets huh [?] Shane don't be too quick to give up on your Red Sox - it's a long haul 'til October. Some say pretty much the same thing about the Mets pitching staff - will the "old men's arms" hold up for the season [?] We'll see - that's about the only thing left to do, huh [?] Love the excitement that this season has generated around here . . . . [tup]

Glad my idea worked regarding the posts from Tom's "other thread." It's a discussion that needs more airing, that's for sure. Of course, the best any of us can do is to vent with our elected representatives in Congress. I agree with Tom on that - they and only they can make things happen. They haven't - they won't and that's a blasted pity.

Sorry Gents, but I gotta run . . . . Monday is my departure day, so next time I see you guys will perhaps be over the weekend, but definitely by Thursday of next week (maybe earlier).

HELP WANTED: Need someone to fill "my slot" between 3 & 4 PM (Central) (4 & 5 Eastern) for Monday - Wednesday!!


Until the next time!

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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, June 16, 2006 5:08 PM
Hi Tom & everyone, a round for the house

Doug, here's a New York Central approaching the Detroit River Tunnel, August 8, 1939. Engines165 & 166, GE B-B
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00013632+OP-13632

Proceeding east to the Niagara River
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/det/4a10000/4a18000/4a18700/4a18787r.jpg
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=-1787180629&id=37

CM3, this looks like EMD, maybe SW9. All I know for sure it's not a GG1.
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_170_so_young's_high_bridge_tyrone_ky_1977.jpg

PRR 4909 & 4917 surviving, sort of, at Cooperstown Junction
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2005110720330022373.jpg&byrail%3A1%3APennsylvania

PennCentral 4885
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/PRR/010615.jpg

PRR 4861 (PennCentral by that date)
http://pc.smellycat.com/pics/equip/gg1-2.jpg

PRR 4935 (which Tom already put a picture of)
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/PRR/prr4935.jpg

PRR 4839, The Federal, Washington, D.C., August 3, 1939 Otto Perry
http://photoswest.org/photos/00014376/00014473.jpg

PRR 4811, Washington, D.C., August 6, 1936 Otto Perry
http://photoswest.org/photos/00014376/00014469.jpg

Rob, another bridge and some trolleys
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3a00000/3a08000/3a08700/3a08723r.jpg

Colorado Midland
http://photoswest.org/photos/20030001/20030005.jpg

Denver Union Station
http://photoswest.org/photos/00185126/00185243.jpg

Tinker
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3a20000/3a29000/3a29600/3a29638r.jpg

Evers
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/08300/08323r.jpg

Chance
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/08300/08328r.jpg

The Library of Congress Baseball Cards. Good Luck.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/bbcardshtml/bbcardsabt.html

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 16, 2006 7:11 PM
G'day!

Well, a Friday and a slow one at that. As has been said a time or three, one just never knows at the Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill it's a "Hit 'n Miss" proposition 'round here! <chuckle>

A couple of customers this afternoon, Lars for a brief visit and Mike to drop off his URLs. Both appreciated. [tup]

Thanx for the rounds, Gents, I'm sure the guys in the back room will appreciate them! Speaking of the back room - it's gonna be a riot watching the track gang trying to shoot pool around that scaffolding! <grin>

Well, no point in talking to myself - so I'll remain behind the bar, awaiting the arrival of some business.

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, June 16, 2006 11:36 PM
Well good evening Leon. Leon, Leon , put Ruth down you'll get Ted all upset <sheesh> Since I now have your attention, I think I'll grab one of te top sirloins and a nice Macaffery's 80 schilling if you please.

Tom What can I say from 19 to maybe 12 5 if you don;'t count yours oh well at least the posts were good posts. I agree with you much nicer than trying to figure out who's who and what's what at the other place. It's actually nice to get daylight posts in. I've been getting alot of later afternoon starts and actual 2 days off together for the last couple three weeks so I've been able to participate a bit more normally [tup]

I have to agree with you on the rules of the world, some things shouldn't have to be said but are. I don't imagine it getting any better unfortunatly [tdn] You should see some of the kids and thier parents I have to deal with on a regular basis. Enough to get you to go to sea and not come back fer sure fer sure.

Loved your new thing, and what a good Locomotive to start it all off with.I don't think that there are many out there who don't know the GG1. Kinda like apple pie and baseball donchathink [?] Loved the pictures, as always your post was well crafted and right on. 5x[tup] for that one sir.

Lars You'll be missed there, we shall attempt to fill your stockings to the best of our abilities while you are out of town. Here's hoping that alls well and ends well once you get there.For what it's worth, I think your team's the real deal this year,avioding injuries notwithsatnding. Hope I aven't jinxed it on you [;)] I'm actaully fairly happy with the competitiveness of my team this year as well,still alot of games to play yet though.

Mike A fine pot porri of urls and photo's again this afternoon sir. Loved that trolley shot BTW. Some fine GG1's as well [tup]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:28 AM



We open at 6 AM.
(All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


The weekend! C’mon in – enjoy a cup of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee – a <light or <traditional breakfast from the Menu Board and of course one or two goodies from The Mentor Village Bakery!



Daily Wisdom


When you come to a fork in the road, take it.
ENCORE! Yogi-ism



Info for the Day:


Railroads from Yesteryear –
New York, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad – Nickel Plate Road (NKP)
Arrives Tuesday – watch for it!


* Weekly Calendar:

Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday



MVP Award Winners

April 2006 . . . LoveDome Lars
May – June . . To be announced



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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] Due to inherit a fortune when his sickly, widower father died, Robert decided he needed a woman to enjoy it with. So he went to a singles bar and he searched until he spotted a woman whose beauty took his breath away.
"Right now, I'm just an ordinary man," he said to her, "but within a month or two, my father will pass and I'll inherit over 20 million dollars."
The woman went home with Robert.
Four days later she became his stepmother. [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre


NOW SHOWING:
Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, June 11th thru June 17th: Major League II (1994) starring: Tom Berenger & Charlie Sheen –and- Mr. Baseball (1992) starring: Tom Selleck, K. Taukura & A. Takanashi. SHORT: Hoi Poloi (1935).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, June 18th thru June 24th: League of Their Own (1992) starring: Tom Hanks, Geena Davis & Madonna – and – Memphis Belle (1990) starring: Matthew Modine, Eric Stoltz, Tate Donovan. SHORT: Three Little Bears (1935).


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) EricX2000 Eric Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 00:43:32 (355) Early, early AM Arizona Report!

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 05:09:18 (355) Barnyard Chat, Down the Tubes (final) & Pix!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 06:23:29 (355) Friday’s Info & 19-Post Summary

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 08:58:47 (355) Something Special notice!

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 09:31:29 (355) WVA Inclusive Report ‘n then some!

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 10:34:39 (355) Daylite Inclusive Post, etc.!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 13:44:50 (355) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 15:15:58 (355) The Larsman Report ‘n Help Wanted!

(9) wanswheel Mike Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 17:08:19 (355) Daily Dose of URLs!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 19:11:43 (355) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Jun 2006, 23:36:18 (355) Count Robulla’s Nite Cap!



That’s it![tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:41 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 112

More on the Canadian National Railways of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956

Canadian National Railways



Canadian National

Super Continental - Dieselized all the way

Faster daily service between

MONTREAL - OTTAWA - TORONTO - WINNIPEG - SASKATOON - EDMONTON - JASPER - VANCOUVER

No Extra Fare

Westward - Read down ..................................................Eastward - Read up
Example..........Daily ......................................................... Daily .........Example

Sunday............4 00 P.M. ..... Lv. Montreal ... E.T. .. Ar. ...5 05 P.M. .... Wednesday
Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Ar. Ottawa........E.T....Lv......3 05 P.M. .....Wednesday
Sunday............6 10 P.M. .... Lv Ottawa.........E.T. ..Ar. ....2 50 P.M. .... Wednesday

Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Lv. Toronto.......E.T. ..Ar. .....2 15 P.M. ... Wednesday

Monday..........10 25 P.M. ....Ar. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Lv. .....8 20 A.M. ... Tuesday
Monday..........10 50 P.M. ... Lv. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Ar. ....7:55 A.M. .... Tuesday
Tuesday......... 8 00 A.M. ... Ar. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Lv. ....8 50 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........8 10 A.M. ....Lv. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Ar. ....8 40 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........3 10 P.M. ...Ar. Edmonton......M.T. ..Lv. ...1 50 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........3 25 P.M. ...Lv. Edmonton......M.T. ..Ar. ...1 35 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........8:55 P.M. ...Ar. Jasper............P.T. ..Lv. ...8 15 A.M. .....Monday
Tuesday..........8 05 P.M. ...Lv. Jasper............P.T. ..Ar. .. 7 05 A.M. .....Monday
Wednesday....1 05 P.M. ....Ar. Vancouver .... P.T. ..Lv. .. 2 45 P.M. .... Sunday

Through deluxe coaches with reclining seats between Montreal and Toronto and Vancouver.
Parlor Car between Montreal and Ottawa only.
Dining Room Refreshment Lounge Car between Toronto and Winnipeg.
Coffee Shop Car between Toronto-Capreol.
............................... between Montreal-Vancouver (until May 31).
............................... between Winnipeg-Vancouver (first trip June 2).
Dining Car between Winnipeg and Vancouver.
Tourist Sleeping Cars between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Drawing room, compartment, double bedrooms, duplex roomette, lower and upper berth accommodation available in latest type standard sleepers between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Attractive lounge accommodation for standard sleeping car passengers.

NOTE: Perhaps our Canadian friends can elaborate on what appears to be discrepancies with the time zones. In current times, Saskatoon is on Central Time and Jasper is Mountain Time. Don't know why in 1956 the time zones were listed this way ... Perhaps the zone maps were different back then. Anyone know [?]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:08 AM
Happy Saturday morning to all. Tom, I can actually sit down and "put me feet up" for a while. Yesterday proved to be positive on all counts and, believe it or not, all that needed to be done...was done! How often does that happen in today's dysfunctional society??? Ah, I see someone has brought fresh Cantaloupe melon from Fanny Frapp's and Maynard A. Schemeckle's truck farm up the road a piece. Please, a half slice and the core drizzled with Meyer's Jamaican Dark Rum, thanks.[^] Gadfey!!! ...Here Tex, here Tex.[xx(] Banrdad Doug, the finale to the Detroit Trilogy did not dissapoint and Mike's URL reinforcment capped the series off as a fete champetre par excellence.[tup] It seems almost premature to let the G.C.T. topic fly by without more input, doesn't it? Eric's fine elaboration on the St. Louis Union Terminal is the sort of "input" that "keeps the ball rolling." My first memorable encounter with Penn Station in Manahattan was to be "thunderstruck" by the immensity and frantic ( nearly crazed ) activity. Like most of you, I was devastated when the decision for its destruction was announced.[V] Thanks to Jackie Kennedy and a host of Luminaries for sparing G.C.T. the same ignominious fate.[tup] X a google. CM3 and Rob hit upon perhaps the greatest loss of all and that is of books, photos, and personal memorabilia collected; then discarded by a following generation of Philistines that wouldn't know a Stadivarius from an Arthur Godfrey Ukelele.[V] However, this isn't the time to "lock-in" on past glories when "Our" Place is enjoying a full renaissance in direction and scope.[^] From the X-ties of the most forlorn abandoned spur line to the glamo(u)r of the "Maxi, Ultra, Super, Double" Dome cars, everything Railroad now appears to be "in season" and none too soon.[2c]

What could have been more "in-line" with the Topic of regal rail terminals than the reemergence of the venerable "classic" Pensy GG-1, 4800 and 4900 series? Even with 20 trains a day flashing by near my home in Md., ( near N.E. Corridor ) I never took those massive electrics for granted. Even the most stahlwart of steam enthusiasts appeciated the elegance of the G.G.-1! I know of modelers who have never laid eyes on the loco who found them a "must" on their layouts. Tom and Rob,, the dialogue on "rules" and formal traditions perked my ears, for one, on another aspect of "how far the mighty have fallen." If "service" personnel are too busy to follow established protocal; they are "too busy" to hold that job![2c] And yes, Al, Tom, Lars and Rob, only when it is too late will some panic legislation be forthcoming from the "Hill" and we can bet it will be Frankensteinian by the time "Pork" mongers are through "packing" it.[}:)] I don't want to end on that note!!! I will be meeting-up with my old friend Jack ( 81 years young ) today and hope to make him a "newbie" very soon. CM3 before I forget, thanks for the encouragement..."misery loves company." Okay Boris, let 'er rip for a round! SPLEAGH! Gadfrey Daniel...there goes his last pair of Cook's Whites.[:(!] Happy rails 'til next time.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:30 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #1
first Posted on page 113

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out …….

Many of the passenger railroads we’ve heard of and perhaps traveled aboard, had their start up in the 1800’s and early 1900’s. Check out these names of perhaps the best known:

Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe (1863)
Atlantic Coast Line (1900)
Baltimore & Ohio (1827) #1
Boston & Maine (1835)
Canadian Pacific (1881)
Chesapeake & Ohio (1867)
Chicago & Northwestern (1859)
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy (1855)
Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul (“The Milwaukee Road,” 1874)
Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific (1866)
Erie (1859)
Great Northern (1889)
Illinois Central (1851)
Kansas City Southern (1900)
Lehigh Valley (1855)
Louisville & Nashville (1850)
Missouri Pacific (1879)
New York Central (1914, although the formal adoption of that name came later)
New York, Chicago & St. Louis (“Nickel Plate Road,” 1881)
Norfolk & Western (1881)
Northern Pacific (1864)
Pennsylvania Railroad (1846)
Seaboard Air Line (1900)
Southern Pacific (1884)
Southern Railway (1887)
Union Pacific (1862)
Wabash (1877)
Western Pacific (1903)

[source:] The American Passenger Train

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:30 AM
Hiya Cap’n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


So what’s going on this fine Saturday [?] Oh yes, it’s the “mother of all ENCORES!” and I’ve got a little something to provide . . . but that will come later.

Right now I’d like a frosty cold mug of your finest lager – bartender’s choice! And a ten spot for the next round. Since it’s just about lunch time where I’m at – how about a Lars Special – that’s it, a foot long ham & Swiss with buttAH and mustAHd on hard, crunchy bread! [tup] Oh yes, a couple of pickles from the barrel should do – go ahead and give Tex a saucer of the brine – my treat! [swg]


My boys took one on the chin last night from the Orioles of Baltimore. Most don’t probably recall, but it was the Orioles who were the heavy favorites in the 1969 World Series against my Mets. The New Yorkers went on to beat the birds of Baltimore 4 games to 1 – a most memorable ending to an unbelievable season. That year the Mets had Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, and Tom Seaver as All Stars. Not only that, but they swept the Atlanta Braves 3 games to zip in the playoffs. An amazin’ team those Mets of 1969!


Hey Rob! Appreciate the kind woids – I’m just a retired sailor who likes trains. That’s my claim to fame ‘round the joint! [swg] The Blue Jays do look good this year. So many teams – so watered down line ups in many, many cities. Toronto has a competitive outfit and you are correct – it’s a long season, one just never knows what lurks ‘round the bend. The beauty of this stuff is there’s always NEXT YEAR! [swg]


Another hefty plate of URLs to digest from our resident UrlMeisterMonsterMan himself! Liked those baseball references – got a kick out of ‘em – but the baseball card stuff – WHO has the time!! [?] [?] [swg] In case you haven’t figgered it out – GG1s Rule! and your URLs – other than the deteriorating heartbreaker you provided – show it! [tup] [tdn] [tup]

I caught your references to the Gals of "Our" Place and think it's a grand idea to refresh our memories regarding those lovely ladies! <pant> <pant> <aaaaaaaaooooga> Anyway, just having on aboard during the meal nights is enough to whet the appetite! [swg]


Always enjoy reading the comments from our Gulf Coast Reporter – a WordSmith for sure! [tup] One of the great aspects of this place is the manner in which the posts impact on the guys who frequent the joint. I mean the recollections of times gone by come racing to the fore, almost as if what has been provided in the Ether actually still exists in reality. If only it were so. Nevertheless, Ted seems to wring as much nostalgia and recollection from the posts as perhaps any ten others. That’s nice and should be an ongoing example to those who think that “one way” posting is the way to go.


We may not have had the numbers yesterday, but for my money the substance was surely there. No point in repeating what has been most adequately said B4 me – other than to say good work from all who took the time! [tup] [tup

Next up will be my ENCORE!


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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:33 AM
Back again mates!


Ok – so now it’s time for my contribution to the ENCORE! feature of this day:

provided on April 7th

QUOTE: Budd Rail Diesel Car

CAVEAT: This material has been reproduced with “blanket” permission from Wikipedia sources at: www.wikipedia.com.


Budd RDC-1 #407 of the Cape May Seashore Lines (GNU Free Documentation).

The Budd Rail Diesel Car or RDC is a self-propelled diesel-hydraulic rail passenger car. During the period of 1949–1956, 398 RDCs were built by the Budd Company of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. These cars were primarily adopted for passenger service in rural areas with low traffic density or in short-haul commuter service, and were less expensive to operate in this context than a traditional locomotive-drawn train. The cars could be used singly or several coupled together in trainsets and controlled from the cab of the front unit.

The Boston and Maine Railroad owned by far the largest number of these units, but they were also very popular with Canadian railways such as the Canadian Pacific Railway (where they were known as Dayliners), the Canadian National Railway, and the former BC Rail. VIA Rail still uses RDCs for scheduled services on Vancouver Island and in Northern Ontario, and the planned Blue22 service connecting Toronto to its airport will use refurbished RDCs as well.

Since 1994 three RDCs are being used for the OnTrack commuter rail line in Syracuse, New York. As well, the Alaska Railroad possesses at least two RDCs. They are typically coupled together and used for the railroad's Hurricane Turn service and the annual Fair Train. The Hurricane Turn is the last remaining flag stop service in the U.S. and is the only transportation to many summer (and year-round) cabins on a stretch of track between Talkeetna and Hurricane Gulch. (The Parks Highway, the nearest road, is several miles to the west on the other side of a mountain ridge.) The annual Fair Train takes fairgoers from Anchorage to the Palmer stop next to the fairgrounds.

The basic car was adapted from a standard 85 ft (26 m) coach. They were powered by two Detroit Diesel (then a division of General Motors) diesel bus engines, each of which drives an axle through a hydraulic torque converter, a technology adapted from military tanks of World War II. RDC trains were an early example of self-contained diesel multiple units, an arrangement now in common use by railways all over the world.


Variants


An RDC train operated by the former BC Rail. (www.trainweb.com photo)

Budd manufactured five basic variants of the RDC:

• The RDC-1 — an 85 ft (26 m) all-passenger coach seating 88 passengers.
• The RDC-2 — an 85 ft (26 m) Railway Post Office and passenger coach configuration seating 71 passengers.
• The RDC-3 — an 85 ft (26 m) variant with a Railway Post Office, a baggage compartment and 44 passenger seats.
• The RDC-4 — a 65 ft (20 m) variant with only the Railway Post Office and baggage area.
• The RDC-5 (also known as the RDC-9) — an 85 ft (26 m) passenger coach seating 82, with no independent control cab.

The RDC-1 was powered by two 6-cylinder Detroit Diesel engines, each of 275 hp (205 kW).

In 1978, Budd offered a new RDC model, called the SPV-2000 (self-propelled vehicle), but only 24 of them were sold, as they proved unreliable and did not gain marketplace acceptance. The few remaining in service have long been converted to unpowered, locomotive-drawn coaches.

Unusual modifications

In an experiment toward high speed rail, the New York Central (NYC) fitted a pair of jet engines atop one of their RDCs and added a shovelnose front to its cab. This RDC, which NYC had numbered M497, set the United States speed record in 1966 when it traveled at just short of 184 mph (296 km/h) between Butler, Indiana, and Stryker, Ohio.

Several RDC's were built and exported to Australia, to operate with Commonwealth Railways, These cars operated on the standard gauge, running between Port Pirie and various locations, including Whyalla, Port Augusta and Broken Hill.

A variant was built by Commonwealth Engineering for the NSW Government Railways, consisting of five carriages. These cars included the only non-powered version of these carriages. These cars operated the South Coast Daylight Express between Sydney and Nowra

References

• Scheurle, Bob, New York Central RDC3 #M497. Retrieved March 14, 2005.
• Wayner, Robert J., ed. (1972). Car Names, Numbers and Consists, New York: Wayner Publications.

CAVEAT: This material has been reproduced with “blanket” permission from Wikipedia sources at: www.wikipedia.com.



Hope you guys enjoyed that one (again) – time for another brewski, then I gotta skeedaddle! [tup]


HELP WANTED! Sure would be nice to find someone to step up and take my Monday thru Wednesday “time slot” while I’m gone. I usually try to be here between 4 & 5 PM (Eastern).


Until the next time!


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:33 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #3
first Posted on page 121

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Perhaps no railroad anywhere rivaled the Canadian Pacific in terms of world wide excellence in serving the traveling public, whether by air, rail or sea. How many of you are aware of the CP’s great hotel and lodge network [?] These proprieties were built by and for CP according to their requirements and were situated at the key rail stops and vacation sites along their main lines.

:

CANADIAN PACIFIC HOTELS AND LODGES

City…………....…Name…..………………..Open

Kentville, NS…….Cornwallis, Inn………….All year
McAdam, NS…...McAdam Hotel………….All year
Quebec, QC…....Chateau Frontenac….....All year
Toronto, ON……..Royal York Hotel…….…All year
Winnipeg, MN…..Royal Alexandra Hotel…All year
Regina, SK………Hotel Saskatchewan…..All year
Calgary, AB……..Hotel Palliser……………All year
Victoria, BC….….Empress Hotel………….All year
Kenora, ON….….Devil’s Gap Lodge………June to September
Digby, NS…….…The Digby Pines………...June to September
Yarmouth, NS…..Lakeside Inn………….…June to September
St. Andrews, NB..The Algonquin Hotel……June to September
Banff, AB……..….Banff Springs Hotel..…..June to September
Lake Louise, AB..Chateau Lake Louise…..June to September
Reached from Lake Louise:
…………………..Moraine Lake Lodge…….June to September
Hector, BC……...Lake O’Hara Lodge.…….June to September
Hector, BC……..Lake Wapta Lodge………June to September
Field, BC……….Yoho Valley Lodge……...June to September
Vancouver, BC…Hotel Vancouver….……..All year

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:43 PM
Hiya Tom

What in the world is going on over here [?] Each time I look - I see a new date & time for wanswheel but no new post! Then it hit me - editing! Sure screws up the woiks .... especially hours after the fact. Oh well . . . .

Hey! Isn't this supposed to be ENCORE! day [?] Things either have changed since my absence or the idea just hasn't hit home with everyone. Wasted "new" stuff on the weekends I'd say.

So, how about another brew for me and I'd appreciate it if you'd slide those beer nuts down my way. Might as well get started B4 tonite's game! [swg]

My 2nd ENCORE! for this day . . . .

Appeared first on page 296

QUOTE: Budd Company

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Budd Company (now ThyssenKrupp Budd) is a metal fabricator and major supplier of body components to the automobile industry.

The company is headquartered in Troy, Michigan. It was founded in 1912 by Edward G. Budd. Edward Budd's fame came from his invention of the 'shotweld' technique for joining pieces of stainless steel without damaging the anti-corrosion properties of the stainless steel.

A railroad legend



The first Budd passenger railcar, the Lafayette, 1932From the 1930s until 1989 The Budd Company was also a leading manufacturer of stainless steel streamlined passenger rolling stock for a number of railroads. After briefly dabbling with French Micheline rubber-tyred technology, they built the Pioneer Zephyr for the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad in 1934, and hundreds of streamlined lightweight stainless steel passenger cars for new trains in the USA in the 1930s and 1940s. In the 1950s Budd built a set of two-story or high-level cars for the Santa Fe's El Capitan and Super Chief passenger trains, which became the prototypes for the Amtrak Superliner cars of the 1980s. Budd also built two-story gallery passenger cars for Chicago-area commuter service on the Milwaukee Road, Burlington Route, and Rock Island lines duing the 1960s and 1970s; most of these cars are still in service on today's Metra routes. Stainless steel Budd cars originally built for the Canadian Pacific Railway's 1955 train The Canadian are still in service with Via Rail Canada.

Train in one car

In 1949, Budd introduced the Rail Diesel Car or RDC, a stainless steel self-propelled 'train in one car' which prolonged rail service on many lightly populated railway lines, but also provided a flexible, air conditioned car for suburban commuter service. More than 300 RDCs were built. Some RDCs are still in service in Canada, the USA and Australia. One example is OnTrack in Syracuse, New York. In the 1960's, Budd built the Pioneer III electric m.u. coach for intercity travel. Six were built and were purchased by the former Pennsylvania Railroad, but in 1966, these Pioneer III cars, later called "Silverliner I" cars, were replaced with the "Silverliner II" cars, which used the Pioneer III body, but with much improvements, for Philadelphia-area commuter rail service on both the PRR and Reading Company lines. Budd was also contracted for building the original Metroliner m.u. coaches for Washington-New York City service on the Northeast Corridor, but has been replaced with more traditional locomotive-hauled systems. The Silverliner II cars, still in service (but is slated to be replaced with newer "Silverliner V" cars), has a top speed of 100 m.p.h., while the old Metroliner m.u. cars traveled at speeds of 125 m.p.h., although they were slated for 150 m.p.h. service--a feat now possible with the new Acela trainset

Almond Joys

In 1960. Budd manufactured the first stainless steel production subway cars for Philadelphia's Market-Frankford Line. 270 cars (nicknamed the Almond Joys for the 4 ventilators on top of the roof of each car) were jointly owned by the City of Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Transportation Company (now SEPTA). 46 single units and 112 married pairs (the pairs were of "mixed" marriage because the odd-numbered car came with General Electric motors and equipment was permanently coupled to the even-numbered car, which had Westinghouse motors and equipment). These cars were replaced with more modern air-conditioned units, although some cars were retrucked (the Market-Frankford line is a broad-gauge line) and used on the Norristown High Speed Line (a standard railroad gague line) until they were replaced in the mid-1990's.

Automobile innovations

In 1966, Budd designed and manufactured a front disc brake system for Chrysler and Imperial automobiles, used for the 1967 and 1968 model years.

Budd also built two series of "L" cars for the Chicago Transit Authority, the 2200s (1969–1970) and 2600s (1981–1987). The New York City Subway R32 (1964-1965), Long Island Rail Road/Metro-North Railroad M-1 (1968–1973/M2 (1973-1976)/M3 (1984-1986), NJ Transit Arrow III (1978), Baltimore Metro Subway and Miami Metrorail cars (1983) were also built by Budd.

All of Amtrak's 492 Amfleet and 150 Amfleet II cars were built by Budd in 1977 and 1980/1981. The Amfleet body was recycled for usage in the SPV2000, a modernized RDC which was very problematic, saw only three buyers (Amtrak, Metro-North, and ConnDOT), and saw very premature retirements. The fallout from the SPV2000 furthered the decline of the company.

In the early 1980s, Budd reorganized its rail operations under the name Transit America, this name appearing on the builderplates of the Baltimore/Miami cars and Chicago's later 2600s (but not the LIRR/Metro-North M3s). The new name did not save the company, as in 1987 Budd ended all railcar production and sold its rail designs to Bombardier.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


One more if you please, a Keiths this time, then I'm gone . . . . Not too sure about tomorrow, we'll be preparing for the trip and have a couple of family obligations to attend to - Father's Day you know!! [swg]

So - Happy Father's Day to the Dad's out there and remember, if you are fortunate enough to still have YOURS in the world - at least make a phone call! [tup]


Until the next time!

Lars
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:11 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Just time for a CR and a round for the house.

Just wanted to let Lars know I haven't forgot how to post over here. But catching up at workd has taken more time than I thought. They just installed hi-speed internet at the office so will be able to look in more often during the day. Like I mentioned on the other thread all of my data is on tyhe compuetr at home so will just have to be sociable on this thread when at the office as I am now.

To all of you fathers out their just want to wish you all a happy fathers day. I will be out of town tomorrow that is why I am at the office today. At least for another couple of hours.

TTFN Al
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:23 PM
G'day!

Nice ENCORES! Lars!! - you certainly know how to flick my switch! [tup] [swg] Love the Budd Cars - love the RDCs and just plain love the Budd Company. Good stuff and always enjoy reading through the material . . .

Don't be getting your drawers pulled up short over something outta our control. We've always had guys who simply figure that if they've got the material prepared - why not Post it [?] Yes, it is irrespective of our "way of doing things," but whatchagonna do" [?] Ain't worth the concern.

Yes - we're speaking about our resident URLMeisterMonsterMike who surprised us this fine day with a looooooooooong family letter, which I'm sure contains lotsa good info - but for me, I'll save it for another day. I'm sure there's a lot of interesting material contained therein, and I hope the guys pick up on it - but my guess is that it won't be today.


When I decided to curtail the activities around here on the weekends - beginning with Photo Posting Sunday and a CLOSED bar the idea was to simply give ME a break from the constant presence here in the Ether. Saturday's also are a bit busy for me, so the ENCORE idea seemed approrpiate, especially in light of rather sporadic attendance. It's fine to have exchanges of thought and it's great when we have "real time" conversations - but since I've been keeping track of this place - they are indeed far 'n few betwen on the weekends.

So, don't take any of this too personally - do as you always have and we'll do what we always do - enjoy, but perhaps not right away! [tup]

We are SUPPOSED to be an interactive Thread - where guys acknowledge the other guys efforts. Keeping to that criteria is a "must" for one and all. Otherwise, I resort to my anal self and ignore those who will not participate in the full spirit of "Our" Place!

In that book someone suggested I write on "How to Successfully Navigate the Kalmbach Forums," I know I've mentioned a few times about what happens when editing takes place somewhat after the initial Post. Now the way to circumvent having everything "skewed" because of a late edit is to Post a new message right after. That way the most current info gets displayed, rather than the edited Post.

In other words - let's say I want to make a change to a Post from last week. No sweat - the edit takes place. Then when someone checks to see what the most recent Post has been for this Thread, it will come up as the edited Post from last week. That's where you will be "taken." Then of course it causes a bit of confusion for those who are not quite on board with the ways of these Forums, etc. By Posting something new shortly after the edit - everything gets back to "normal." I should also add that anyone who Posts after the edit will bring the situation back to normal. However,l slow days with little or no activitiy is the "rub" for those of us who understand the cause 'n effect.

See what you started, Lars!!! <geesh> And here I was settlling in to a rather mundane Saturday, pouring through hundreds of our Alaska digital Pix - making awesome decisions about those to keep - those to enhance - those to place on line - those to print, etc.

Only interruptions have been from Juneau the Wonder Husky who has a "way" of getting my attention. He comes over to where I'm sitting - sticks his head under my arm and pushes upward. That'll do it every time . . [swg] Rather play with the dog than get myself embroiled in stuff that has no happy ending. [tup]

Contrary to the rumors, 20 Fingers IS alive and well - but not here. He's been over on "my other Thread" these past several days moreso than here. You just gotta read what he recently Posted over there as an "explanation!!" This puts Yogi to shame! [swg]

Thanx for the rounds . . . [tup]

Catch y'all later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:31 PM
Yo Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Just a quick woid or two . . . .

I wasn't trying to get into anyone's head about my earlier comments. Believe me, if someone ticks me off they will know it firsthand! [swg] Just a bit of warped humor on my part and yes, I was confused - at first.

So, Al made it to the bar - then immediately responds to a JO "out there" on our Forum! <geeesh> He feeds the critters and they keep coming back. Wonder why [?] <grin>

A round on me if you please and I'll see all of you on Thursday - I hope! [tup]

Lets Go Mets!


Until the next time!

Lars

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