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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:32 PM
G'day Gents!

Acknowledgments to: Doug – Ted – Al – CM3 – Rob - Mike ‘n Pete for the visits today! Also, many THANX for the supportive “stuff” on the THEME RR – D&H!! [tup] [tup] [tup]


Must admit that the one thing I DIDN’T miss while away were the non-inclusive Posts – seems we still have that anomaly here at the bar . . . pity.


Received a bit of not-so-good news from our friend Lars but I’m unable to elaborate. I suspect he’s communicated with some about two situations keeping him from spending time here. Needless to say, his is a void that will be difficult to fill. Hope I haven’t destroyed a “trust” – Lars – but the guys surely must be wondering where you’ve been. [tup]


Finally got through all three of my Email accounts and THANX to those of you who communicated . . . responses have been sent. [tup] Please keep in mind that I try to respond to each message received – but limit my access to once per day (most times).


Once again – WHERE’s NICK [?] [?] [?]


Special for Pete – check out this URL with regard to your question yesterday on the “Mars Lights” - http://www.trainweb.org/gyra/mars.htm

Can ALWAYS count on the Wolfman to focus on the Posts and material presented at the bar! You are without a doubt blessed with a keen eye for detail – inquisitive mind and a great friend! [tup] Sorry, Mate – don’t recall the import draughts up at the St. George Arms. Perhaps Rob can bail me out on this one . . . . Oh yes – message from the Mrs. for you – “Keith’s Ale.” [%-)]


Regarding the 1st Annual Rendezvous – more Pix on Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thanx for asking! [tup] As previously stated, there isn’t going to be a “report” as such, just “stuff” like my Post from today. Follow the daily offerings and you’ll get as much info about our great time in Ontario, Canada as can be provided!


Getting back to our THEME RR D&H – some mighty fine “stuff” from the boyz today. The URLMeisterMonster provided a “slug” of great places to go for D&H Pix – CM3 gave us an entirely unique insight that I would never have thought of – Doug began the day for us in fine style, followed by Al with his info-packed Post. [tup] [tup] [tup]


Finally, there have been more than a few references to my B’day this week. I appreciate – in advance – the consideration. I will be online at 7 PM (Central) but not at all during the late morning or afternoon – as we’ll be watching the Cardinals play the Mets in a 12:10 PM start at the new Bush Stadium.


Appreciate the rounds and quarters for Herr Wurlitzer! [swg]


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:32 PM
Good evening gents. Tom I'll spring for a round now and play "catch up" tomorrow after the V.A. thing. Although I lived close to D & H country while in Maryland, there were few direct encounters. What a pity as from a history perspective alone, the road is very important. Thanks to Tom, Doug, Mike, CM3 and Pete, there is now substance to the lore of that Road. The "water tube" boiler concept seemed to be just "ahead of the curve" for the technology of the day. There have been many such aborted experiments on as many Roads that with more persistence would've come to fruition.[2c] Pennsy and their initial success with steam turbines immediatly comes to mind. Another might be the U.P. and their gas turbine monstrosity that also eventually came to nothing. Many thanks for the D & H "Bridge Line" symposium. Pete, was the Mars light issue setteled? As I recall the headlight reflector followed a figure 8 pattern which gave far wider coverage of the ROW from left to right. The first time I saw this "light pattern" was on a foggy night at a good distance and I was sure it was a U.F.O. circling for a landing.[:D] HeyTom, the added pictoral coverage of our Rendesvous 2006 has overcome the "angst" I had for the flights. YUP, I'm ready to go again[:D]

This is a late post for yours truly but I noticed a bit of a lag, so I barged in anyhow. Wish I could stay longer but I have a very early "wake up" tomorrow. Besides, I must get myself in shape for Thursday's festivities and the "wild carefree abandon" I hope will be shared by all of us.[tup] Until later tomorrow p.m., happy rails
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:11 PM
Good evening Leon. I'll nab a Keith's and put up for a round for those left in the bar this evening. Quite a good rest of the day themewise, another well responded to day fer sure . [tup]

Mike Great on topic urls. I will indeed go back and absorb more in a very sponglike state. LOL. i see you jumped in eith the details on the Lion so I shall find another D&H thing to report on. Thanks for e-mailing me the url for the D&H and streetcars. i haven't checked it yet but I know it will be interesting. I'll send that link along to Ted as well I'm sure that he will get a kick out of it to.


Ted Amazing that railroads would use watertube boilers, but hey great unlimited power there,likely I'm guessing a tad on the expensive side to maintain. Aquatic motors have not always adapted well for rail use wiothout major maintenance headaches. Witness the FM story. Solid motors great for ship board use but the oposed pistons were a maintenance nightmare for railroads.Hope all goes well at teh VA for you tomorrow , I'm sure that we all we raise several glasses to da boss on thursday evening. [tup]

Pete Thanks for the extra captions for the pictures,that completes the picture as they say. As to what was on tap and in bottle importwise at the arms, I noticed ( in no particular order ) Harps, Guiness, Cafferies, and Cafferies 80 Shilling,Local micro brews Creemore Pale and Creame Ale, Heinekin, Carlsburg & Steam Whistle and Rickards Red, and the more common Coors, and Coors lite and Mlson Canadian as well as all of the above and many others bottled only. i may have left some out.


Tom Loved the rest of te D&H stuff and some good teaser pioctures of the encore, you even got the city crest I'm impressed[swg][tup][:D]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:41 PM
Okay the theme post for the day. This is a brief passenegr service synopsis on the D&H. Some of this was hit by Tom and Mike, it's just a little extra detail as it were.

D&H PASSENGER SERVICE

Being a moderate sized carrier, the D&H's passenger service were also a modest thing,as they did not serve many large population areas along their route. Ironically even with such a small actual population base to move by train D&H's passenger services ended in the 2000's.

D&H actually competed with the Rutland,CV , and Boston and Maine for Montreal bound traffic. This was also the D&H's mainstay of their passenger market.They did have a strong ally in the NYC as their NY city -Montreal trains started and terminated in Albany where connections could be made with the NYC trains to NY, Chicago , St Louis, and Boston VIA NYC's susidury Boston and Albany.The D&H and NYC had coordinated throuhg car service between New york and Montreal this arrangement lasted until Amtrak's takeover of the passenger network in 1971.

The Montreal Limited & Laurentian were the flagship name trains of the D&H. The Montreal Limited provided overnight service between New York and Montreal, while the Laurentian provided scenic day service on this 375 mile route. into the 50's local trains were run to give srevice along the Montreal Line to Fort Edward,Whitehall, Plattsburg,and Montreal. The D&H also ran tourist trains on the Lake george branch and ran a suburban commuter service between Carbondale and Scranton ( 16 mile run )

Until just after WW2 the D&H's Aklbany-Binghamton mainline had two trains a day by the 50's this was reduced to one train a day and by the early 60's service on this line was discontinued. This train originally served as a connector for the LaurentianThe passenger service toiled in poor condition until 1967 when pro passneger service president Frederic "Buck" Dumaine came on board and bought new ( used ) streamlined cars and the famous PA1's to re-eqiuip the Montreal Limited and the Laurentian .These reconditioned trrains ran on the D&H until May 1 1971 when they were discontinued on the startup of Amtrak.At the time these were the only trains linking the two cities. A groundswell of support for a train in this area started up and with State and D&H funding a new Amtrak service called the Adirondak was started up in 1974. Most of the equipment was supplied by the D&H for this train. This train was finally discontinued in 2002.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:09 PM
One final piec to the D&H puzzle, a postcard I came accross. I'm not sure of the photographer's name. But a shot of PA's returning to Binghamton NY with the Laurentian passing a set of Alco 628's on a freoght drag in 1970. enjoy

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:43 AM

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Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 16 May 2006, 05:55:20 (331) THEME: D&H, etc.

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 16 May 2006, 06:57:19 (331) Rendezvous talk, etc.

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 May 2006, 07:28:53 (331) THEME: D&H streamlined coaches

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 07:50:23 (332) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 07:52:50 (332) RR from Yesteryear – D&H: Ad

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 May 2006, 08:06:36 (332) THEME: Captain’s of Industry, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 10:00:14 (332) RR from Yesteryear: Delaware and Hudson

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 11:32:58 (332) Daylite Robulla’s Inclusive Post!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 13:20:08 (332) Rendezvous Stuff!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 16:00:00 (332) THEME: Fallen Flag – D&H

(11) wanswheel Mike Posted: 16 May 2006, 18:20:37 (332) Dates in RR History ‘n THEME: URLs

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 16 May 2006, 19:05:52 (332) Wolfman’s Inclusive Post ‘n Info!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 May 2006, 19:32:08 (332) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(14) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 16 May 2006, 20:32:25 (332) Bearman’s Inclusive Post ‘n Comments!

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 22:11:12 (332) Count Robulla’s Inclusive Post!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 22:41:46 (332) ]THEME: D&H passenger svc

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 May 2006, 23:09:20 (332) THEME: D&H Pix!




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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present: Coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.

Lots of stuff posted today.

Our ‘Steamed Proprietor posted material on Canadian RR history and more Toronto pictures, and D&H material. The picture of D&H 7304 threw me for a minute, but I recovered. This locomotive was originally D&H 7315; it was r/b by the CP and r# CP 7304, even though it has D&H paint. And who said we didn’t look at pictures?

Rob provided a good summary of D&H passenger service.

Then we have wanswheeel with lotsa URLs and a timeline. The 1827 entry re the Granite Railway was interesting. Part of it is preserved. The railway was built to haul stone from a quarry to barges. The stone was used to construct the Bunker Hill monument in Charlestown.

Also – in the D&H picture made at Rouses Point. Is that a CP heater car behind the last locomotive or some other kind of equipment? Maybe our sharp-eyed observers from the frozen north can help us.

Pete provided a summary for us as well.

As today is pike perspective day, I provide a website which is outstanding, with a definite D&H/Rutland flavor. Make a pot of coffee, or whatever, and spend some time on this site.

I apologize (hah!) in advance for inducing you to spend several hours in cyberspace when you could be out mowing the lawn, painting the house, walking the K9s or engaging in otherwise worthwhile activity.

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu

BTW, I will have to post bash material early tomorrow as I get to work evening turn and will miss scheduled time.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:40 AM
Good morning Tom , bit of a slow start this fine day, and who could blame our supposed rainy awfull day has greeted me with bright sunshine and blue skies[:)][8D]. Since some of the morning crew hasn't heard revelle yet I will attempt to fill in. Two lite breakfasts ( in honour of Doug ) a coffee with that little something extra ( for BK ) and two large overstuffed prune danishes ( for Ted ) from the bakery case. That should keep tilla happy and my well "fueled'' for the day.[:0][:p][:I]

CM3 Arrgh another fine model url to explore, I'll never finish my layout at this pace of checking all the interesting urls that you and Mike are dropping on us[B)][swg] And to my aging eyes ( I know Tom you are rolling your eyes at that one ) that does indeed look like a CPR home built heater car in the picture, can't by 100% but it does look like some shots of stand alone heater cars that I have seen. I believe there is one of theirs and a CNR one at the big Delson Museum in Quebec ( that could be a rendezvous in itself )

Tom Great humo(u)r and movie pix for the day as always, always nice to start each morning off with a groan and a giggle donchathink [?] BTW I am off for the annoited hour(s) of your party so I hope that you have strapped yourself well to the seat restraint system of your new stool. BTW Cindy is readying your usual post bash room(s) for you upstairs as well[;)][:0][:D][:I]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:50 AM
Okay boyz, I'm umprepared for new rail hobby related posts thus far today [:(],so I will resubmit some stuff that I previously put forward. Perhaps tonight I can find something else almost as suitable which is new. Humble apologies [:I]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! EMCORE !

Some resubmitted shots of Sir Ted da Bears modelling expertice [tup][:D]










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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:09 AM
G'day Gents!

Another Toy 'n Model Trains Day! here at the bar. I was going to hold off on providing anything new, given that so many of our number are away for an assortment of reasons . . . however, in deference to those of you who "give a Rat's Patoot!" - try this one on for size! [tup]

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Louis Marx and Company


(courtesy: Marx Toy Museum)

Louis Marx and Company was an American toy manufacturer from 1919 to 1978. Its boxes were imprinted with the slogan, "One of the many Marx toys, have you all of them?"

The Marx logo was the letters "MAR" in a circle with a large X through it, resembling a railroad crossing sign. Because of this, Marx toys are sometimes misidentified as "Mar" toys.

Marx's toys included tinplate buildings, toy soldiers, toy dinosaurs, mechanical toys, toy guns, action figures, dolls, doll houses, toy cars, and HO scale and O scale toy trains. Marx's less-expensive toys were extremely common in dime stores, and its larger, costlier toys were staples for catalog retailers such as Sears and Montgomery Ward, especially around Christmas. Although the company is now largely forgotten except by toy collectors, several of its toys remain well known. Rock'em Sock'em Robots, introduced in the 1960s, remained popular for years and has been reintroduced by several different companies. Its last hurrah was the Big Wheel ride-on pedal toy, which was introduced in 1969 and became one of the most popular toys of the 1970s.

Founded in 1919 in New York City by Louis Marx and his brother David Marx, the company's basic policies were "Give the customer more toy for less money," and "Quality is not negotiable," which made the company highly successful. Initially the company had no product designs and no manufacturing capacity, so Marx raised money by positioning itself as a middle man, studying available products, finding ways to make them cheaper, and then closing a sale. Funds raised from these effort proved sufficient to purchase tooling for two obsolete tin toys—called the Alabama Minstrel Dancer and Zippo the Climbing Monkey—from toymaker Ferdinand Strauss, one of Louis Marx's former employers. With subtle changes, Marx was able to turn these toys into hits, selling more than 8 million of each within two years. Marx then bought the company it had subcontracted to manufacture the toys. By 1922, both Louis and David Marx were millionaires. Initially Marx produced few original toys, but was able to predict what toys would be hits and manufacture them less expensively than the competition. The yo-yo is an example: Although Marx is sometimes wrongly credited with inventing the toy, Marx was quick to market its own version, and during the 1920s sold an estimated 100 million of them.


A Marx train set made in the late 1940s or early 1950s. (GNU Free Documentation)


Unlike most companies, Marx's revenues grew during the Great Depression. By 1937, the company had more than $3.2 million in assets ($42.6 Mil. in 2005 dollars), with debt of just over $500,000. Marx was the largest toy manufacturer in the world by the 1950s. In a 1955 article, Time Magazine proclaimed Louis Marx "the Toy King," and that year, the company had about $50 million in sales. Marx was the initial inductee in the Toy Hall of Fame, and his plaque proclaimed him "The Henry Ford of the toy industry."

At its peak, Louis Marx and Company operated three manufacturing plants in the United States: Erie, Pennsylvania, Girard, Pennsylvania, and Glen Dale, West Virginia. The Erie plant was the oldest and largest, while the Girard plant, acquired in 1934 with the purchase of Girard Model Works, produced toy trains, and the Glen Dale plant produced toy cars. Additionally, Marx operated numerous plants overseas.


"Donald the Demon" figurine

In 1963, they began making a series of plastic figurines called the Nutty Mads which included some almost psychedelic creations such as Donald the Demon: a half duck half madman, driving a miniature car.

In 1972, Marx sold his company to the Quaker Oats Company for $54 million ($246 Mil. in 2005 dollars) and retired at the age of 76. Quaker owned the Fisher-Price brand, but struggled with Marx. Quaker had hoped Marx and Fisher-Price would have synergy, but the companies' sales patterns were too different. Marx has also been faulted for largely ignoring the trend towards electronic toys in the early 1970s. In late 1975, Quaker closed the plants in Erie and Girard, and in early 1976, Quaker sold its struggling Marx division to the British conglomerate Dunbee-Combex-Marx, who had bought the former Marx UK subsidiary in 1967.

A downturn in the British economy in conjunction with high interest rates caused Dunbee-Combex-Marx to struggle, and these unfavorable market conditions caused a number of Briti***oy manufacturers, including Dunbee-Combex-Marx, to collapse. By 1978 the Marx brand disappeared, and Dunbee-Combex-Marx filed for bankruptcy and was liquidated in 1980. The Marx assets were then liquidated, with many of the patents and molds going to Mego Corporation, another famous maker of dime store toys, and a large number of them going to Canadian toy maker Aurora.

The rights to some of Marx's toys are now owned by other companies, and some of its former products are still in production. Marx Toys, Inc., owns the rights to many Marx action figures. Marx Trains, Inc. produces lithographed tin trains, both of original design and based on former Louis Marx designs. K-Line produces plastic O scale train cars and scenery using former Marx molds, which it markets under its own brand name. Model Power produces HO scale trains from old Marx molds. Rights to the original Marx Big Wheel are owned by KidsWheels, Inc., and Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots is owned by Mattel. Marx's toy soldiers and other plastic figures are in production today in China for the North American market and are mostly targeted at collectors, although they sometimes appear on the general consumer market, particularly at dollar stores.

The Marx name itself has changed hands several times as well. Despite the similar names, neither of the Marx-branded companies of today have any connection to the original Louis Marx and Company.

The original Marx toys are highly regarded by collectors.


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Two URLs to peruse

http://www.thortrains.net/marstart.html
http://www.train99.com/layouts/layout3.html



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:52 PM
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Birthday Bash Announcement!


Our leader and “steamed” Proprietor of “Our” Place will be celebrating his Birthday here at the bar - 7 PM – central time – TOMORROW!


Let’s have a great turn out for the guy who NEVER forgets any of us on our special days!


Lars



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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:04 PM
Good Afternoon Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Long time, no see, huh [?] Well, wtihout getting into more of my personal life than I care to divulge here in the Ether - let me just say, things haven't been going very well "upstate" or here at home. Got a "double whammy" going right now - but we're hanging in there . . . . Left Coast trip still "on" for Friday.

Tom how about one of those Blues you've spoken of so many times! Did Rob make good on the brew he "owed" you [?] Man oh man, those pix and posts about the Rendezvous sure made me wi***hat I could've been with you guys. Just looks like it was everything, and perhaps more, than planned . . . St. Louis in 2007 [?] Sounds good to me! [tup]

I see where another Wednesday has snuck up on me and I'm a bit "light" with the material for "Toy & Model Trains Day!" - but an "Encore" should work, huh [?] I've got just a bit of time before we are off again to keep the Mrs. appointment - so, let's see what I can find.

Very, very sorry that I was such a "bust" with helping out during your absence and I appreciate the understanding through the e-mails you've sent. From the looks of things, the guys came through and isn't that what matters???? Good job, fellas! 5-[tup] Salute to those who cared enough to keep the bar operating! [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup] [tup]

Ok - here's my "Encore" to keep the "Toy & Model Trains" idea moving along . . . . one more brew, if you please and a round for the guys!

The following submission is from:



QUOTE: LIONEL STEAM LOCOMOTIVES

Ask anyone on the street, “What do you remember about a Lionel train?” and most of them will smile as fond memories return and say “its black, heavy, and you put little pills in the smoke stack.” This is a fitting description for the bulk of Lionel’s postwar steamers.

Lionel had introduced zinc-alloy die-casting in its manufacturing process prior to World War II, though it took a few years to perfect. Impurities in the metal can cause it to “rot” over years, swelling and disintegrating – a common problem in prewar trains, but unusual in postwar production. This new process allowed the company to create handsome, detailed, yet rugged locomotives. the mechanisms housed in these heavy metal boiler shells were works of art themselves, especially during the late 1940s when they were as precisely made as a fine watch. Ultimately, some of the less-expensive locomotives came to be made of plastic, but die-casting remained the basis for the better engines until the end.

Continued innovation kept Lionel ahead of its competition, and the steam locomotives were at the forefront. Prior to WWII, Lionel had introduced its famed air whistle. Usually housed inside the tender, a small electric motor turned an impeller, forcing air through two acoustic changers and producing a realistic whistle sound. The motor was controlled by a relay, which was closed by imposing a slight DC current on top of the normal AC track power that ran the train. A similar relay was used to ring the bell on the switch engines.

In 1946, Lionel wooed consumers by producing the first locomotives with a puffing smoke. These were replicas of a handsome 2-8-4 Berkshire and Pennsylvania’s revolutionary, albeit unsuccessful S-2 turbine. The first year’s smoke unit used a special oversized light bulb to heat the smoke material, but beginning in 1947, a nichrome wire-wound heater element was used instead on most of the larger locomotives. It was these units that seemed to have an insatiable appetite for the memorable “SP” smoke pellets. In the late 1950s, a third type of smoke generator appeared that used a liquid rather than pills.

Lionel’s golden anniversary year of 1950 saw the final major innovation in steam locomotive production – the introduction of Magnetraction. This feature was intended to better keep the locomotive on the track and increase its pulling power by using powerful Alnico magnets to magnetize the wheel, “sticking” the train to Lionel’s tin-plated steel track.

The fortunes of Lionel seemed to parallel that of full-size steam locomotives. Both reached their zenith in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and both seemed to be fading memories by the late 1960s.


Until the next time!

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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:11 PM
Hi Tom and All.

A pint of Bathams and a bacon butty please.

MIKE Great post and links on the Great Dates in railroad history, the D&H and on the Stourbridge Lion .
It really would be great if the regulars from Our Place could go to the birthplace of the first steam loco to run in the U.S. one day. The town is less than 10 miles from one end of the Severn Valley railway one of Britains best preserved lines.

ROB Thanks for listing the Brews in the St George Arms. The two local Micro-Brews sound well worth a try.
Good piece on the D&H Passenger Service and the more I see of the Alco PAs in that livery the more I admire it. I noticed the blue changes color in photos, as does color pics of the BR preserved A4 when it was in Garter Blue livery, I suppose due to the light conditions.

Alan has sent a bit more info on the pics. Bronlwyd was indeed from North Wales it worked in the Penrhyn slate quarrey at Bethesda. it was built in 1930 by the English firm Hudswell Clarke in Leeds Yorkshire works No 1643.

On the bottom of Page 324. The loco CEGB No1 was built by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn works No 7841 in 1954.
The loco # 1163 did as Nick said work in South Wales this 1908 engine was at the Whitehead Ironworks at Cwmbran in Monmouthshire( I think the county name may have changed now).

A redezvous at the Delson Museum would be wonderful. I really hope to get there one day to see the A4 no 60010 as well as the other great exhibits.

Good Encore photos of TED's layout.

CM3 Thanks for the detailed link. We will have a few drinks for you tomorrow night.

TED Hope all goes well at the VA [tup].The attempts to improve the steam loco is a fascinating subject. In England I have a book with paintings and descriptions on some locos that were proposed but never built including some turbine driven ones.

LARS Great to see you looking forward to tomorrow.

TOM Many thanks for the kind words and the detailed link to the Mars light, this is a marvellous hobby where someone goes to the amount of trouble to produce such a detailed piece on a part of railroad equipment all this despite the company not doing adverts for there products. Now I would love to see a Mars figure of eight light but as TED said it would probably best seen on a foggy night.

Interesting post on the Marx and company, they were certainly great businessmen. The layout on the link looks good but I think Donald the Demon is a bit scary.
Still having a bit of a problem with the Smilie list but I think I can manage another Bathams. PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:38 PM
G'day Gents!

I see Lars 'n Pete are logged on - good to see the both of you! [tup]

Great having you back with us, Lars even if only for a short duration. Understand fully what your situation has been (and is) . . . best I can offer are my positive thoughts! [tup]

Pete you would have loved that St. George Arms English pub . . . I TOLD you that you should've let your bride send you with us . . . . <geesh> Then again, had you come along, perhaps the two of us would still be in St. George! [swg]

After my recent experiences with Air Canada just the thought of going through that again would dissuade me from another Rendezvous up thataway! [tdn] Delson would be very nice to see - but check with me "off line" and I'll fill you in on the "rest of the story!" There's only 2 airlines to get us to Toronto or Montreal without multiple plane changes, and they both are awful in terms of on-time-performance, fares, and giving a "Rat's Patoot!" It's St. Louis in 2007 and who knows where in 2008. Now that's thinking way ahead, eh[?]

We decided at our 'business meeting" NOT to Post any Pix from inside the tavern - we are keeping those for ourselves and they won't be "released' into cyber space. Sorry guyz - but you just had to be there to get in on all the "goodies!"

Good to see CM3 'n Rob today as well . . . and of course our late nite contributors: Ted 'n Rob (3x!!) [tup]

Gotta run - yard work needs completing - just took a break, then we're off to an evening out . . . . Appreciate the rounds & quarters for Herr Wurlitzer!

Boris Ring the chimes - drinks on the house! [tup]


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:13 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #87


Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1942 advertisement in my personal collection.



The B&O is "TOPS" to Washington

Washington’s first railroad, historically . . . the Baltimore & Ohio today is first also in the service it gives Washington-bound travelers. Fine trains on fast schedules, with many exclusive features, are operated from St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, New York and intermediate population centers.

Take the scenic B&O route to Washington! Enjoy the convenience of Stewardess-Nurse service . . . the smooth-riding comfort of Diesel-Electric power . . . on many feature trains. Modern Pullmans and Individual Reclining Seat Coaches . . . the pleasure of fine food at moderate prices . . . the genuine hospitality for which the B&O is famous.

FINE FAST FEATURE TRAINS

THE CAPITOL LIMITED . . . . . . . . . . THE NATIONAL LIMITED
THE SHENANDOAN . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE DIPLOMAT
THE COLUMBIAN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . St. Louis - Louisville
Chicago – Pittsburgh . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cincinnati - Washinton
Washington – Baltimore. . . . . . . . . . . Baltimore - Philadelphia
Philadelphia – New York . . . . . . . . . . New York

THE AMBASSADOR . . . . . . . . . . . . THE ROYAL BLUE
Detroit - Toledo- Cleveland - . . . . . . New York - Philadelphia
Washington - Baltimore . . . . . . . . . . Baltimore - Washington

The B&O is the Way to Go

Baltimore & Ohio

THE ONLY RAILROAD BETWEEN EAST AND WEST
PASSING DIRECTLY THROUGH WASHINGTON



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:36 PM
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Pete, let me endorse everything you say, and add my hope that Ted's day with the VA is going well.

Doug, wherever you are, I always enjoy your posts.

CM3, you seem to have got Tom to mow his lawn today.

Rob, the Adirondack train was expected to be have been picked up by Amtrak from day one, May 1, 1971, but the state of New York had budget problems and withdrew from an agreement to subsidize 2/3 of the expected losses, or the real cost of running a train. So until what I call "my father's train" (the Montrealer) started rolling in September 1972, there was no New York to Montreal Amtrak service.

A day late, but here's a pretty picture of the old D&H train.
http://www.vermontel.net/~tomh/19n.jpg

From Rail Travel News, and it's up to the reader to agree or disagree with the "facts"

"To give the background to the Adirondack startup, in the summer of 1974 Roger Lewis, Amtrak's first president, had just been re-elected by his board of directors. There was a great deal of criticism of Amtrak throughout the US, and many blamed Amtrak's problems on Lewis.

In retrospect we know that President Nixon had told Lewis at the time Amtrak was formed that Amtrak's job was to oversee the orderly discontinuance of the passenger train in the US.

But there were numerous calls for Amtrak expansion and formation of new routes. Congress voted that Amtrak must initiate experimental routes each year, and dedicated extra funding for them. Several new routes were begun, but Amtrak's real need was to have reliable equipment. It was still using railroad hand-me-down equipment that had been partially refurbished. Breakdowns and derailments were too common.

When Lewis refused more money offered by Congress, it was the last straw for his presidency. Fortune magazine, that bastion of conservative economics, published a scathing article calling for a replacement for Lewis and supporting the importance of passenger trains in our transportation system.

The Amtrak board considered appointing a chief operating officer who had railroad experience; Lewis was from an airline background. Later, Lewis's place would be taken by Paul Reistrup, a railroader and train lover. But for now Lewis and the federal DOT continued to oppose Congressional attempts to stimulate Amtrak. DOT Secretary Brinegar made it clear that passenger trains had no place in modern transportation. He would soon resign.

The first big energy crisis in America had begun in 1973, and by the summer of 1974 Amtrak was swamped with new passengers. Patronage increases on its various routes were in the double digits. (Examples: L.A.-Seattle up 85%, Chicago-Oakland up 83%, Empire Service up 104%; overall ridership in March 1974 was up 45%.)

But Amtrak tried to resist starting new services because of a shortage of equipment. The trains it had were packed and breaking down.

One route that was added quite quickly was the NY-Montreal Adirondack, because there was equipment available and because the State of NY assisted with expenses.
The Delaware & Hudson Railway's train on the route, the Laurentian, was discontinued when Amtrak began operations. Essentially the Adirondack was a replacement for that train. Amtrak wanted to name the train the Laurentian (or even the Laurentide), but could not because it didn't own the name. So it settled on "Adirondack".

The D&H Railway was actually enthusiastic about the startup. The new service used some of its equipment: cars and the Alco PA locomotives loved by railfans. Canadian Pacific Skyline domes were leased for the service; and some Amtrak-owned ex-NY Central and ex-C&EI cars were used, along with NY State-owned MTA cars.

Freight engines were also used temporarily at the beginning.
On one of the early runs, an RTN reporter wrote that a 10-year-old boy stowed away, riding for 110 miles hanging onto the exterior of the train before sneaking inside and getting caught. The inaugural press run was covered by the late "E.M. Frimbo" in the Aug 26, 1974 edition of the New Yorker magazine.

D&H president Carl Bruce Sterzing, Jr., a railfan, rode the cab of the inaugural train from Albany NY north, leaving guests in his private rail car to fend for themselves."

Also, from a newspaper account of the first run by Amtrak on August 5, 1974:

The trip was marred, but not delayed by a last-minute strike called by the United Transportation Union locals representing engineers, firemen and conductors of the Delaware & Hudson Railroad, which operates the Adirondack.

When employees walked off the job in a dispute over the number of trainmen assigned to the Adirondack, supervisors boarded at Albany to complete the run to Montreal. Though no picket lines had been established at Albany before the Governor boarded, union officials denounced the Governor's presence on what one called "a scab train." [refers to Malcomb Wilson, the lieutenant governor who had replaced the now Vice President Rockefeller.]

From Grand Central Terminal to the station at Rensalaer across the river from Albany, the Adirondack consisted of four refurbished D&H coaches tacked on to the rear of the regular New York-Buffalo Empire Service train. At Renssalaer, the Montreal train took shape. A gleaming D&H diesel locomotive in bright yellow and silver colors and sporting two American flags up front was waiting, plus a tavern lounge dome car leased from the Canadian Pacific http://trainweb.org/DOMEmain/picCP507d.jpg and a private D&H observation car with "back porch."
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:58 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I’ll be needing a bottomless draught, please, and of course I’ll be buying a round for the house! Time for me to play catch-up again, starting with Ted's posted recommendations when visiting the Toronto area. I hope to one day be needing the advise! Nice little D&H streamliner from Al, but I guess when you only have two streamliner passenger trains, that’s what you get! CM3 provided coal-carrying related material, which is a subject I always enjoy. Really top-notch post Tom on the D&H, and thoroughly enjoyed your trip pix. It was nice to not have to wait till Sunday to see those! (I’ll bet there are more). Peter, that was an excellent URL on the Gresly! Really terrific reading. Here it is again for everyone, in case they missed it. http://www.lner.info/locos/W/w1.shtml Nice contribution to the D&H theme Rob. Purty picture too! And that was yesterday.

Today Tom started us with a fine Marx article, and Ted shared pix of his layout. Lars made an appearance and shared a fine Lionel article. I hope your situations will be improving for you compadre. Good to see Mike! Thanks for your comments and D&H submission, and the rail travel news. I believe you had another outstanding post yesterday too, if I recall. The there was a B&O train nostalgia post from Tom. Did someone here mention he was having a birthday?

OK …here’s the post I should have had ready for this morning, but I just didn’t get ‘er done till just now. It’s Christmas-time related, but I thought there was enough good info here that it wouldn't matter. Hope ya’ll get something you can use from it.

Toy Train Memories: Yesterday and Tomorrow by Allan W. Miller VR No.16

Following up in t eh article that appeared in the last Issue of VR (“Toy Trains and the Holiday Tradition”), I ventured out onto that vast information superhighway known as the internet to ask toy train enthusiasts how and when they get started into the hobby. Almost invariably, the responses received were linked to the traditional first toy train set found under the tree on Christmas morning. But despite the commonality of the occasion, each story nevertheless also had its own distinctive, personal twist.

“I wish I could write that I received my first train set on Christmas, but it was the other way around,” wrote Pat Fusco. “I was born Christmas eve, and my first train set got home before I did. SO, it received me! My earliest childhood memory was the red and green light from the Lionel Rotary Beacon spinning from the far corner of the board. It’s been a lifetime of collecting and operating trains since then!”

Frank Racibozynski recounted how “In 1948, my mother and father and I lived in the kitchen and bedroom of my grandparents’ house because of the post-war housing shortage. Although space was tight, and I was only two-and-a-half years old, my parents knew that I wanted a train that went “choo-choo” and “woo-woo.” On Christmas morning I woke up and saw an oval of O gauge track, with a short freight headed by a trusty Lionel No. 675 steamer. I was so surprised that I didn’t know what to do except shout, “Take it back to Santa Claus!” Fortunately, I settled down and had a hobby for life. Unfortunately, I had to hear that story at least once a year thereafter.”

Furthermore, the toy trains-and-holiday tradition obviously wasn’t restricted to Christian celebrants. A dedicated hobbyist of the Jewish faith, Eric Edelman, related that “It was the winter of 1978, and I was eight years old. Since we were a Jewish family, there was no Christmas tree to run a train around! Nevertheless – and luckily for me – my father had not forgotten my love of trains, and my bug Hanukkah present that year was Lionel Set No. 1865 – the Chesapeake Flyer. When I arrived home, I was directed down to the basement. There, on a 4’ X 8’ table, was my new train set. There were also a few buildings, some road signs and telephone poles, and a plastic bridge. But the best part of the new set was the chuffing sound the little steam engine was making as it went around the track puffing smoke, That Chesapeake Flyer set was terrific!”

Other respondents related similar accounts, each with its own special memory. The universal and binding element, however, was the holiday season, and it is quite obvious that a majority of today’s active model railroaders and train collectors can trace their heritage back to December of one year or another.
That being the case, and since that season is upon us once again, maybe it’s time that you considered getting your loved ones involved in the fun-filled holiday tradition, perhaps even launching one or more of them into what will eventually be a lifelong love affair with trains. But the question is: where and how to start?

To answer that question, among others, it might be appropriate to provide readers with something of a buyers guide – a select few hints and tips that hopefully will make entry in to the train hobby a pleasant experience for both the purchaser and the recipient of such a meaningful, potentially lifelong gift.

Strange as it may seem, there actually are more electric toy trains to choose from today then there ever were in the 1940s and 1950s. But more product choices may also lead to increased consumer confusion, not to mention frustration. To avoid that problem, it’s worthwhile to keep the following points in mind as you work on your holiday gift list.

First, and perhaps most important, consider the age of the intended user. Try to match the size (scale) of the train with the skills and abilities of the individual who will most often be using it, and remember that these are electrical products, rarely recommended for the very young. Some train components are simply too delicate or intricate to be handled properly and safely by eager young hands. Electric trains today come in a wide array of sizes, ranging from the minuscule Z scale (1/220 the size of the real thing) at the small end to No. 1 scale (1/22.5 or thereabouts) at the large end. At various points in between fall a number of popular sizes, including N scale (1/160), HO (1/87), and O (1/48). Of these, O gauge (pronounced O-gauge) perennially reigns as the size of choice among most first-time holiday season buyers. Why is O gauge so popular?

Well, for one thing, O gauge retains a strong and enduring link with tradition. During the first half of this century, the name “Lionel” meant the train of choice with consumers, in part because of its deserved reputation for durability and reliability; in part because its unique three-rail track system provided easy, trouble-free set-up and operation: and in large part because the Lionel Corporation itself went to great pains to brand its product through an aggressive advertising program.

Because Lionel became such a well-known brand name, Lionel Trains have retained their ranking as a favored holiday gift. But Lionel’s long-term success also spurred some healthy competition, and now there are also a number of newer manufacturers whose products are well worth considering. Chief among these, in terms of providing complete starter sets, are MTH Electric Trains and K-Line Electric Trains.

How about the other sizes and scales? Electric trains in scales smaller than O are probably not the best choice for an around-the-tree initiation into model railroading fun. For one thing, they appear awfully small when viewed from the sofa. Furthermore, because their components are more delicate, they don’t really lend themselves to repeated handling by youngsters, or to on-the-carpet operation. However, the larger-scale-trains – generally classified as No. 1 scale, G gauge, or simply Large Scale – are a viable alternative to O gauge. First popularized in the United States by the German form Lehmann, in the form of their LGB line of trains designed for both indoor and outdoor operation, Large Scale trains are now offered by a number of manufacturers. They’re big, rugged, reliable, and quiet running. And most Large Scale manufacturers, including LGB, Aristocraft, Marklin, and Bachmann, among others, offer an array of their products in affordable starter sets. These trains are ideal for young hands; and, best of all, after the holidays you can set them up and run them outdoors!

Just what is a “starter set,” and how much does one cost? A starter set is basically a complete electric train outfit designed to get one started in model railroading. It contains everything needed to get things up and running, including a locomotive, cars, track (usually enough to make a simple oval), transformer or power pack, connecting wires, and perhaps even a few accessories. For the uninitiated, a starter set is the recommended way to go, in large part because these complete sets generally cost less than the price of their individual components purchased separately. Good quality O and G gauge starter sets can be found for around $150 – not bad for what could be a lifetime investment in fun!

When shopping for a starter set, pay attention to the various features offered. Does the locomotive have a whistle or horn? Is it equipped with sound? If it’s a steamer, does it puff smoke? Do any of the cars light up, or operate in any way? Both youngsters and oldsters love action-packed toy trains!

Where should you purchase your first train set? An obvious choice might be the local discount store, where bargain prices might be found. But today’s bargain may be tomorrow’s headache. Because electric toy trains are mechanical devices with multiple moving parts, it stands to reason that, from time to time over the years, maintenance and repairs might be needed. Periodic basic maintenance may be handled easily by the operator or parent, while more intricate repairs may require the attention of someone skilled in the mechanical aspects of toy train construction.

For that reason, it’s advisable to buy your first train set at a local hobby or train shop – one that’s going to have what you need when you want to expand the set with additional track and accessories, and one that can help you with repairs and additional information.

Where can I get more information about electric toy train sets? Again, your best bet is to stop by your local hobby shop or train store. If the person behind the counter can’t provide answers, chances are that the store stocks a number of books and periodicals that can.

The season is here! You obviously enjoy railroading, because you’re reading this magazine. There’s no time like the present to share that enjoyment with others in your circle of family and friends, and an electric train under the tree might be all the inspiration that’s needed!

This is soooo bad …… bad me

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 PM
Evenin! Gents!

Not the most active day 'round the "Hit 'n Miss Bar 'n Grill," but certanly not the worst either! Good to see some life about the place and all the efforts to keep the flow - flowing! [swg]

This is for 20 Fingers Al - We've said it B4 and we'll say it again - the ONLY "theme" we have is on Tuesday - and that's for Railroads from Yesteryear. Saturday we encourage ENCORES!. The Toy 'n Model Railroad Day! featured on Wednesday is not meant to preclude the Posting of any other material . . . . You've Posted over on "my other Thread," but not here. So, don't be shy - this is where YOUR stool is! [tup]

Good to see ya Doug - the morning just wasn't the same without your Post to get us going. [tup] That "Girlfriend Remote" is a gudun - but couldn't enlarge it.

Interesting background on the transition to the Amtrak era along the route to Montreal. Leave it to wanswheel Mike URLMeisterMonster to come up with something like that! [tup] And, no - it wasn't CM3 who got me to mow the "south forty," it was my bride! [swg]

Liked that toy train memories story from barndad Doug. [tup] Well done and some memories in there for many of us, eh [?]

Thanx for the rundown on the brews at the St. George Arms, Rob! Didn't think you were such an avid brew watcher! [swg] And no, Lars he DIDN'T "come across!" <frown> Wait 'til we get him down here in St. Louis!<grin> Anyway, Pete with all those fine Canadian beers, why not imbibe as the locals do [?] [yeah]

Okay, Gents - I'm going to watch the rest of the Cardinals vs Mets game!

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)


Boris Ring the bell - drinks on the house! [tup]

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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:47 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A Bathams please and I'll add a bit to the scuttle for tomorrow night[tup].

I tried to take a pic for Model day but have run out of batteries[sigh].

LARS Enjoyed the Lionel encore, it seems the supplier of the SP smoke pellets was on to a good thing. Thanks for the kind words. I know I really shall miss my daily visit to Our Place while over the pond.

Great post this afternoon MIKE with the Amtrak on the D&H, and another pic of a PA and in the snow plus a great pic of a D&H Dome car[tup].

DOUG Glad you liked the LNER web site it is one of the best for loco info I have found
Another great article with the Toy Train Memories yes my first loco was at Christmas too.
Good advice in getting a train set for a youngster as well.[tup].
If one could manufacture that remote you would soon be a millionaire.

TOM Thanks for the B&O Nostalgia.[tup].
The St George Arms does indeed look a great pub and it would be a lot easier to get me in there than out[:)]. The local Cream Ale has got me wondering what it tastes like.

My friend from England has booked me on a steam trip on May 27th from Birmingham to Scarborough( Yorkshire) a fair distance, hauled both ways by ex LMS Jubilee class 3-cylinder, 4-6-0 # 5690 LEANDER. just as well as the West Coast Main Line through Rugby is completely closed for three days, so my mate says, for the removal of the EX Great Central steel girder bridge which spans the tracks south of the station. The bridge last saw trains in 1969 and has stood in isolation for many years. It was a very popular location in steam days for railfans when it was known as the 'Birdcage' .

From what I saw of the Cards game they look like two well matched sides so I hope you have a great time at the game.[tup][tup][tup]. PETE.

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:49 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

You pushed one of my buttons with the B&O today so have to respond. Since I don't have model or toy trains I usually am not to active on Wednesday.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
Streamlined sleeping Cars
By Al

The B&O would purchase 95 streamlined sleeping cars and lease three more for a period of time. Forty-three of the 95 sleeping cars owned by the B&O were heavyweights streamlined by Pullman Calumet for operation in the pre-WW II CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED trains. Of the remaining 52 lightweight stream-lined cars the B&O purchased 14 used from other roads. The CAPITOL LIMITED was inaugurated as an All-Pullman train between Baltimore - Washington and Chicago on May 12, 1923. Even though it was shown in the timetable as a Jersey City to Chicago train only one or two cars were forwarded beyond Washington in a connecting train to and from Jersey City. The CAPITOL LIMITED became one of the first fully air conditioned trains in 1932.
On November 23, 1938 the CAPITOL LIMITED began operating as a diesel powered All-Pullman streamliner between Washington and Chicago with through sleeping cars to and from Jersey City. The heavyweight cars except for the two dining cars were remodeled and streamlined by Pullman Calumet with full width diaphragms full skirting, rounded turtle roofs, and tight lock couplers. It is believed this was one of the first installations of tight lock couplers on heavyweight cars. The new lightweight cars were almost all equipped with tight lock couplers. B&O streamlined the two Dining cars in there own Mount Clare shops. The interiors of all cars after remodeling and streamlining featured indirect lighting and brighter colors than Pullman normally used but still conservative enough for the B&O. The original heavyweight cars streamlined for the CAPITOL LIMITED follow.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

CAPITOL GARDEN

CAPITOL HILL

14 Section Sleeping Cars

ALEXANDER BELL

JOHN ERICSSON

PARK SPUR

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

BRADSHAW

CASTLETON

GREEN BANK

GREEN SPRING

WESTFIELD

8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

CLOVER BAY

CLOVER CREST

CLOVER HEIGHTS

CLOVER HOLLOW

CLOVER LODGE

CLOVER PARK

GARDEN BROOK

GARDEN GLEN

8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping cars

LAUREL BRANCH

LAUREL DALE

36 Seat Dining Cars

1061 MARGARET BRENT

1062 VIRGINIA DARE

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 Seat Sun Room Solarium Observation

CAPITOL ARMS

CAPITOL CITY

In October 1939 Pullman delivered two streamlined heavy-weight Sleeping cars for service in the CAPITOL LIMITED consists. These two cars were 8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars EMERALD BORDER and EMERALD WATERS.
Coaches were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED between August 4, 1940 and December 19, 1941 when the All Coach COLUMBIAN was inaugurated. At that time the CAPITOL LIMITED regained its All Pullman status.
Having seen the results of the streamlined CAPITOL LIMITED increase passenger loads the B&O next turned their attention to the NATIONAL LIMITED the Washington - St. Louis train with cars to and from Jersey City. Once again like the CAPITOL LIMITED the timetable showed the NATIONAL LIMITED as a Jersey City - St. Louis train. Unlike the CAPITOL LIMITED the NATIONAL LIMITED carried both Coaches and Sleeping cars. The NATIONAL LIMITED also required four sets of equipment while the CAPITOL LIMITED only needed two. Again the B&O chose new EMC E units to power the streamlined train.
The B&O Mount Clare shops streamlined 19 heavyweight cars while Pullman Calumet streamlined 23 heavyweight cars. Only three Sun Room Solarium Observations were necessary as they did not run north of Washington to Jersey City. Again most of the NATIONAL LIMITED consists would be assembled in Baltimore/Washington. Only sixteen of the Mount Clare shops heavyweight stream-lined cars were destined for service in the NATIONAL LIMITED the other three were for additional cars for the COLUMBIANS. The NATIONAL LIMITED streamlined heavyweights are listed below.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

1302-1305

54 Revenue Seat Coaches

3550-3557

42 Seat Dining Lounge Cars

1077 - 1080

14 Section Sleeping Cars

PARK CITY

PARK FALLS

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

EAST AKRON

EAST MADISONVILLE

EAST NORWOOD

EAST SPARTA

EAST YOUNGSTOWN

UNIONVILLE

8 Section Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Cars

MERCHANTS CLUB

QUEEN CITY CLUB

8 Section Buffet 19 Seat Lounge Cars

MARYLAND CLUB

PITTSBURGH CLUB

10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Cars

LOCH AWE

LOCH DOON

LOCH EARN

LOCH LOMOND

8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

EMERALD BAY

EMERALD BROOK

EMERALD FALLS

EMERALD WAVES

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 seat Sun Room Solarium Observations

CAPITOL ESCORT

PALM ISLANDS

PALM KEY

On January 15, 1941 The CAPITOL LIMITED received its first lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars. These were the two Pullman Pool cars CASCADE LOCKS and CASCADE BLUFFS with 10 Roomettes and 5 Double Bedrooms. The CAPITOL LIMITED operated these cars as Washington - Chicago sleepers.
On May 27, 1941 two additional CASCADE series cars began operating in the DIPLOMAT between Washington and Detroit again one of these cars per consist in the otherwise all heavyweight train. The DIPLOMAT was the premier train of the B&O between Washington and Detroit and had operated as All Pullman at one time. The two CASCADE Series cars assigned to the DIPLOMAT were CASCADE BOULDERS and CASCADE GULLY.
For whatever reason Pullman Standard opened their production line in September- October 1943 at the height of WW II long enough to deliver three new CASCADE series 10 roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to the B&O for assignment between Washington and St. Louis in the NATIONAL LIMITED. The three CASCADE series sleeping cars were CASCADE DRIVE, CASCADE MUSIC and CASCADE SOUND. All seven of the CASCADE series sleeping cars would become B&O property in 1945 and would receive 7000 series numbers along with their names.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1940 Plan: 4072B Lot: 6606 (Built for Pullman Pool transferred to B&O in 1941)
CAPITOL LIMITED
CASCADE BLUFF

CASCADE LOCKS

DIPLOMAT
CASCADE BOULDERS

CASCADE GULLY

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September October 1943 Plan: 4072F Lot: 6679 (Built for Pullman pool assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

CASCADE DRIVE

CASCADE MUSIC

CASCADE SOUND

In 1945 when the seven CASCADE series cars received 7000 series numbers along with their names they appeared as follows.

7000 CASCADE
BLUFF

7001 CASCADE
BOULDERS

7002 CASCADE
GULLY

7003 CASCADE
LOCKS

7004 CASCADE
DRIVE

7005 CASCADE
MUSIC

7006 CASCADE
SOUND

Beginning in April 1946 a through Los Angeles - Washington 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom VALLEY series sleeping car of the Santa Fe traveled daily east of Chicago in the CAPITOL LIMITED o and from Washington. This car traveled west of Chicago in the Santa Fe CHIEF to and from Los Angeles. This was one of the earliest through sleeping car services instituted.
Between April and June 1948 the B&O received their first lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars built new for the railroad. These were eight Pullman Standard built 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars. Four were assigned to each consist of the CAPITOL LIMITED train sets. Initially three were assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED but were replaced by through MP cars from Houston and Fort Worth later that year and the B&O 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars reverted to the CAPITOL LIMITED. Apparently the MP did not like B&O colors breaking up the MP color scheme of the new TEXAS EAGLES.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April - June 1948 Plan: 4153B Lot: 6776 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7010 PAW PAW

7011 MAHONING

7012 MONOCACY

7013 MUSKINGUM

7014 PATUXENT

7015 CACAPON

7016 SANGAMON

7017 SCIOTO

As the streamlined cars were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED in the latter train's case they were MP, Frisco and M-K-T cars with few actual B&O sleeping cars in the NATIONAL LIMITED at this time.
The older heavyweight streamlined cars from the NATIONAL LIMITED and CAPITOL LIMITED were passed down to the AMBASSADOR, DIPLOMAT, and SHENANDOAH upgrading those trains with more modern appearing sleeping cars.
In March 1950 the B&O received ten 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard and eight of these were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED pool so each train set had four. The 14-4 cars were then transferred to the AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH and DIPLOMAT adding newer streamlined sleeping cars to those trains. The SHENANDOAH received the remaining two new 10-6 cars from the Pullman Standard order. These cars were part of the huge C&O order for cars that the C&O and NKP Advisory Mechanical Committee (AMC) had developed. The Double Bedrooms were all located in the center of the sleeping cars with five roomettes located at each end over the trucks. Besides the ten cars built new for the B&O the IC received five and the D&RGW received four. The thirteen NKP cars differed slightly and were not part of the C&O order although the NKP took part in the design of the C&O cars providing mechanical engineers to the AMC. The C&O received fifty-six 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the original order and even this number was more than they needed or could put to use. In October 1950 the C&O sold four to the ACL and five to the IC with two more sold to the IC in November, 1950 and a final car sent to the IC in January 1951 after the Christmas rush ended.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7040 AUGLAISE

7041 CATOCTIN

7042 GUYANDOTTE

7043 KOKOSING

7044 MUSCATATUCK

7045 OPEQUON

7046 SHENANGO

7047 TUSCARAWAS

7048 TYGART

7049 YOUGHIOGHENY

In December 1950 the B&O received three Dome Sleeping cars with 5 Roomettes 3 Drawing Rooms 1 Single Bedroom and 24 seats in the Dome. These three cars were originally built for the C&O for their stillborn CHESSIE. These Budd built cars were originally delivered to the C&O in August 1948 as daytime private room cars numbered 1850 - 1852. The C&O considered assigning these cars to the SPORTSMAN for operation between Washington and Detroit and was prepared to name them 1850 BELLE ISLE DOME, 1851 CHAMBERLIN DOME and 1852 HAMPTON ROADS DOME. The names were never applied and the cars were sold to the B&O in December 1950. Two of the cars 7601 STARLIGHT DOME and 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED and the third car 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME was assigned to the SHENANDOAH operating every other day in one train set. These three cars were fitted with roof mounted headlights to light up the passing scenery on the nocturnal journeys of the SHENANDOAH and CAPITOL LIMITEDS. There were clearance problems on the route of the NATIONAL LIMITED and that is why the three domes were assigned to the Chicago - Washington route. The three domes certainly set the CAPITOL LIMITED apart from the competition on the Washington Chicago route such as the PRR LIBERTY LIMITED. The CAPITOL LIMITED began Dome service January 8, 1951.

24 SEAT STRATA-DOME 5 ROOMETTE 3 DRAWING ROOM 1 SINGLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company August 1948 Plan: 9524 Lot: 9669 - 017 (Built for C&O CHESSIE never operated in that train purchased by B&O December 1950)

7600 MOONLIGHT DOME ex C&O BELLE ISLE DOME originally C&O 1850

7601 STARLIGHT DOME ex C&O CHAMBERLIN DOME originally C&O 1851

7602 SUNLIGHT DOME ex C&O HAMPTON ROADS DOME originally C&O 1852

In February 1951 the B&O received two used 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations from the C&O. These cars were delivered to the C&O in 1950 so were virtually new when sold to the B&O. These cars had squared off Observation ends and were probably among the most attractive Observations of this type ever constructed. The first two cars were the 7502 DANA the former C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB and the 7503 METCALF former C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB. These cars were assigned to the two consists of the Baltimore/Washington - Detroit AMBASSADOR beginning February 15, 1951.
In March 1951 two additional 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations identical to the first two arrived on the B&O from the C&O. After repainting and renumbering these two B&O 7500 NAPPANEE ex C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB and 7501 WAWASEE ex C&O WOLVERINE CLUB were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED. The new cars replaced the old prewar streamlined heavyweight Solarium Observations in CAPITOL LIMITED service.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard August 1950 Plan: 4165 Lot: 6863 (Built for and assigned C&O Sold to B&O in February - March 1951 for assignment to AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED)

7500 NAPPANNEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

The B&O next received an order for eleven 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the Budd Company in May-June 1954. These cars all named for Birds were assigned to such trains as the CAPITOL LIMITED AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH, NATIONAL LMITED and other trains. These cars would later serve the B&O as SLUMBERCOACHES and finally eight of these cars would be sold to the SCL for SLUMBERCOACH service between New York and Miami.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company May - June 1954 Plan: 9536 Lot: 9658 - 137 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

7100 BOBOLINK

7101 CARDINAL

7102 GULL

7103 KINGFISHER

7104 MOCKINGBIRD

7105 ORIOLE

7106 QUAIL

7107 ROBIN

7108 SWAN

7109 THRUSH
7110 WREN

Seeking to upgrade the NATIONAL LIMITED the B&O purchased three NYC prewar 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations that were assigned to the pre WW II SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED. The three cars arrived on the B&O in January 1956 and after repainting and refurbishing the three cars entered B&O service with the same names they had carried while in NYC service.

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC 10650 GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC 10651 MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC 10652 WABASH RIVER

Beginning April 5, 1957 the B&O assigned lightweight streamlined Twin Unit Dining cars to the CAPITOL LIMITED. These replaced the prewar heavyweight streamlined Dining cars of 1938 in CAPITOL LIMITED. The car were purchased used from the NYC where they had operated in the DETROITER and even the WOLVERINE. The two Twin Unit Dining cars were originally built for the C&O as part of the 1950 order. Four of the Dormitory Kitchen cars and four of the Dining Room cars were sold to the NYC. It was two each of these that were sold to the B&O for the CAPITOL LIMITED as follows.
1092 DINING ROOM CAR and 1093 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 409 - 472 originally C&O 1975 MICHIE"S TAVERN C&O 1956 CALDWELLS KITCHEN

1094 DINING ROOM CAR and 1095 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 410 - 473 originally C&O 1976 HANOVER TAVERN C&O 1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN

The B&O purchased four 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars used from the C&O in 1957 and after repainting the cars entered service assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED. B&O 7052 SCHUYLKILL and 7053 SHENANDOAH entered service in February 1957. In March B&O 7051 CUYAHOGA entered B&O service followed by 7050 ALLEGHENY in April 1957.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard February - July 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6864 (Built for and assigned to C&O trains sold to B&O 1957 assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

7050 ALLEGHENY originally C&O 2603 CITY OF MOUNT HOPE

7051 CUYAHOGA originally C&O 2635 TOWN OF PRINCE

7052 SCHUYLKILL originally C&O 2643 CITY OF MUSKEGON

7053 SHENANDOAH ex C&O 2655 CITY OF PETOSKEY originally C&O 2655 CITY OF ATHENS

In February 1958 the B&O received a pair of the new 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumber coaches from Budd numbered and named 7700 SLUMBERLAND and 7701 DREAMLAND. The pair were assigned to the COLUMBIAN the all coach overnight streamliners between Baltimore and Chicago. These trains had been combined with the AMBASSADOR east of Willard Ohio so the Coach Observations were assigned elsewhere. Eventually the B&O would combine the CAPITOL LIMITED and COLUMBIAN between Baltimore and Chicago and the AMBASSADOR between Baltimore and Willard Ohio in both directions. Finally the COLUMBIAN name would be dropped and the combined CAPITOL LIMITED - COLUMBIAN would be known as the CAPITOL LIMITED.

24 SINGLE ROOM 8 DOUBLE ROOM SLUMBERCOACHES Budd Company February 1958 Plan: 9540 Lot: 9691-211 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIAN)

7700 SLUMBERLAND
7701 DREAMLAND

In May 1959 the B&O received three leased Slumbercoaches from the Budd Company for assignment to the NATIONAL LIMITED between Baltimore and St. Louis. The three leased Slumbercoaches were numbered and named 7702 RESTLAND, 7703 SLEEPLAND and 7704 THRIFTLAND.
In September, 1959 the Missouri Pacific received a 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach leased from Budd numbered and named 699 SOUTHLAND. At that time the B&O and MP Slumbercoaches began a Washington - San Antonio daily service operating in the NATIONAL LIMITED east of St. Louis and the TEXAS EAGLE west of St. Louis.
When the lease was up the MP and B&O both returned these Slumbercoaches to Budd who promptly sold them to the NP for NORTH COAST LIMITED - MAINSTREETER service.

TTFN Al
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:02 AM
Well good morning chaps,have battled my way through the stacked up furniture and located the computer under the dust sheets (dont ask.......unplanned re-decorating is a curse from one of the lower circles of Hades )
Anyway,To the business at hand---[bday][bday][bday] [4:-)][oX)]TOM-Many happy returns my friend,hope the day brings pleasant suprises both large and small,will be in and out during the day in order to supervise preparation of party food,exotic ales,cocktails(beer in a fancy mug) and all the other essentials.
Also will try and review the past weeks entries so that I at least know what is going on around me....
Right,back to the plastering etc,enjoy the day Big Fella !!!!!
later,nick,[C=:-)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:21 AM


Happy Birthday Tom!

Here’s my little gift post for you on your day!

Subzero Canadian Steam – by Theodore Shrady - Vintage Rails No. 16 1999

No. 6231 seems ready to depart Tuscot Yard, Montreal, but in actuality it still has a good, cold hour’s worth of work to do.


The time: February 1959. The place: Montreal. Where: Canadian National Railway’s pool track west of Tuscot Yard. Weather: clear, bright blue, and five degrees below zero. Mercifully there was no wind.

It was the last harrah for Canadian steam, and for steam in all North America, actually. I was in college in upstate New York near Canada, and it was easy to slip across the border to see lots of working steam. On this particular trip I was concentrating on the action in and around the Montreal area. I had already been to Brockville, Ontario, a CNR division point that boasted a small steam facility.

CNR freight trains were still fairly abundant behind steam, a good many running between Brocville and Turcot Yard in Montreal, although some did go further west. Canadian Pacific Railway was running most of its commuter operation behind Royal Hudson and Pacific steam locomotives out of its Montreal Windsor Station. A few secondary, medium-distance CPR trains drew the 4-6-4s as their power. To a 20-year-old railfan who had seen little steam in his lifetime, the situation was a smorgasbord of railroading since lost in other areas.

On the particular occasion mentioned above, I had been down at the west end of Turcot Yard, inspecting and photographing CNR Northern 6231, which was tied to a freight. It seemed ready to depart, so I asked the fireman which was the train was heading, straight west on the main line or up the pool track to the CPR and north. “Pool track,” was the reply. I hotfooted it the half mile to the singletrack line, which was no easy task in knee-deep snow at five below. It was used to interchange freight between the two railroads to connect CNR’s east-west main line to lines north around Mount Royal Tunnel, which accepted only electrified equipment. The pool track was just west of the yard and ran uphill, which entailed a hefty pull for a steam locomotive under load. But it was the ideal spot for a railfan with camera. (The line was later multi-tracked on level terrain under the Canadian Pacific after Turcot became a terminal).

I positioned myself near the top on the incline to get the maximum effect of the struggling steam engine. The pool track was pretty much in the open, but trees blocked the lower portion an the yard. The light dictated that I had to stand to the right of the track next to a fence. It was not exactly the broader angle I had envisioned, but then I reasoned that a three-quarter wedge shot would be more dramatic. So far, so good. I could see wisps of smoke down the at the west end of the yard and presumed that my train was about to leave. After a 15-minute wait, I saw plumes of white smoke shoot into the air. I checked everything on the camera and my position for the umpteenth time. Suddenly, the plume stopped in its forward motion and backed up. Oh well, maybe the locomotive was taking up slack or something. Another 15 minutes went by. The routine went on like that for more than an hour, back and forth, back and forth. It turned out that the train was still being put together in the yard. I guessed the 4-8-4was doing its own work.

My feet were starting to go numb, and, even in gloves, the fingers were tingling to the point that I didn’t think I could pu***he shutter button. As the train didn’t appear to be moving anytime soon, I decided to relax and walk around a bit – more like ligh-stepping. I was careful during my walk not to disturb the snow within the picture area. The locomotive had to appear in virgin snow as if no one had been there. The feet worsened walking around, however, so I changed my tactic. This time I buried them below the snow into some brush and leaves for warmth. The wait continued.

Finally, the train (or more precisely the smoke) began to move with no backup. The adrenaline began to flow, and the numbness seemed to disappear – from the mind, at least. Again, I checked every setting and the angle. If I blew this one, it would be my own fault. The noise, in an otherwise serene setting, began to increase as the plumes of smoke got closer and higher. The sound was so crisp that it seemed to echo off of itself. The Northern came into view from behind the trees at the bottom of the hill and barked its way up the grade. The movement was slow but sure; each chuff was in perfect rhythm with no slip. The sand under the drivers was accomplishing its purpose. The smoke shot up 50 feet, then curled back along the train. It was thick, white and gray, like a series of cotton balls strung on a wire; and – as luck would have it – the smoke drifted away from the train. How many times have pictures been ruined by smoke between the subject and the camera? The image was perfect and absolutely breathtaking, so much so that I almost forgot to take the picture – but I didn’t. The freight slowly rumbled by on trembling ground as I pushed the shutter. Thank goodness the camera clicked. I reeled around to get a backshot, which was almost as dramatic as the front image. The sun backlighted the engine and smoke in bright shadowed contrasts.

Canadian National Northern 6231 works upgrade with a transfer freight on the pool track out of Turcot Yard on February 22, 1959. The picture-perfect day at five degrees below zero is a photographer’s dream.


Locomotive, tender, and tank cars gleam in the sun as the transfer charges past


The last car was gone in a few minutes. I was still in my reel-around backlight-shooting pose, taking in what I had just witnessed. When the steady chuffing died away, the scene returned to an almost death-like hush, except for the chirping of two exuberant chickadees nearby. Apparently, they were undisturbed by the previous racket, or they were used to it. Lucky them! My hands had practically no feeling, and my feet weren’t there, at least any sensation. I was strangely being held up by “something” in my boots. But strangely enough I didn’t mind. The numbing cold and the two-hour wait were well worth it, and I would – and did – do it again and again with no reservations. What I had experienced was one of the most powerful of railroad images, a steam engine working full out in subzero weather without a cloud in sight. Something like that becomes a personal prize, not unlike a precious antique that can’t be duplicated. The only regret about that perfect situation was that I took the front, wedge shot in horizontal format, which cut off part of the magnificent plume.

I learned something about photography that winter. The type of film, ASA rating, shutter speed, and iris opening are much different in winter than other photographic situations. I admit I never really mastered taking pictures in the snow like the pros, but I was satisfied by what I had. Other tricks of the cold came into play, too. Unless the camera is kept reasonably warm inside the jacket and under the arm, the shutter might stick. That is why I was so relieved when I heard the shutter click with 6231. Also, it helps to keep a pen in your mouth to prevent the ink from coagulating, and to put your notes in a warm pocket to keep the pen or pencil from skipping on the cold paper.

There were many other photo opportunities and winter scenes over the years, but a certain CNR Northern on a cold day in 1959 still remains one of my favorites.

Theodore Shrady worked for the New York Central in the mid-1960s until the Penn Central merger. Using his experiences there and much Amtrak travel thereafter, he has written many articles for various railroad magazines and books, including authoring the book Orange Blossom Special. Since 1968 he has been in Audio Visual, currently with Harvard University’s AV department.

[:I] A man was walking in the street when he heard a voice. "Stop! Stand still! If you take one more step, a brick will fall down on your head and kill you." The man stopped and a big brick fell right in front of him. The man was astonished.
He went on, and after awhile he was going to cross the road. Once again the voice shouted: "Stop! Stand still! If you take one more step a car will run over you and you will die." The man did as he was instructed, just as a car came careening around the corner, barely missing him.
"Where are you?" the man asked. "Who are you?"
"I am your guardian angel," the voice answered.
"Oh yeah?" the man asked. "And where were you when I got married?" [:I]
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[:I] Three men are captured by a tribe while exploring the Amazon forest. They are tied to stakes and the chief says to the first man, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must choose death or Oogie Boogie." The first guy replies, "I don't want to die, I choose Oogie Boogie." All of the male warriors erupt into screaming chants, run up to the guy, bend him over and each of them have their way. The chief approaches the next guy and repeats, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must choose death or Oogie Boogie." The second guy has a wife and children and reluctantly says, "I must choose Ooogie Boogie." Again the sadistic ritual is performed by all of the warriors of the village on the poor man. At last the chief turns to the last remaining man and says, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must now choose death or Oogie Boogie." Without a pause the man yells in the chief's face, "I choose death!" "Oh my son," replies the chief, "you are very brave. Death it shall be...BY OOGIE BOOGIE!!!" [:I]


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(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 May 2006, 07:43:03 (332) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

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(8) pwolfe Pete Posted: 17 May 2006, 14:11:30 (333) Wolfman’s Comments!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:24 AM
[bday] Tom and while I know the "let the games begin" starts at 7:00 p.m. Central, I want to forward my best wishes before hitting the pavement. I'll do the "self service" thing at the pastry counter and coffee urn. V.A. appt. went as usual except that "out of the blue," I met an old acquaitance from over 20 years ago. This one in a ??? chance meeting led to a predictable "wetting down" of past memories, people, places and friends. Before I realized the time, the day (and my countenance) was shot. I did manage to peruse the entries for "Toy and Model Trains Day" with so much good stuff by "Our" Place regulars but when my reply was forthcoming, OI VEY! The copius data and remeberances of Marx, Lionel, Gilbert, and U.K. manufacturers yielded a page "greater than the sum of its' parts." Then, the additional add ons by Mike, Rob, Al for the venerable D & H made for a lengthy and rewarding day indeed.

Cap'n Tom's wise choice of "discretion being the better part of valo(u)r" regarding the inner sanctum of St. George Arms Pub may suggest impropriety to some of a suspicious nature.[:O] Au contrar, while good fellowship prevailed, moderation in food and drink was carefully observed by "Our Place "fearsom threesome." I rather expect our celebration tonight for the Proppietor's 68th Natal observance will, far and away, eclipse any social liberties taken north of the 49th.

Egad, the B & O (dear to me) has appeared just when my time has expired for this morning's epistle. Not to worry, "the Lord willing and the creek don't rise;" I will join all of you this p.m. at 7:00 Central for full participation in where ever the "spirit" takes us.[swg] Nick and Lars, please know that what ever the circumstances, you both have a lot of friends "in your corner" here at "Our" Place. I'm late now, so Boris, get the lead out and give with the "clang." BUFFKHT!!! Great Granny's Gop Stoppers, he hit the lead steam heat boiler.[alien] Happy rails 'til tonight.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:53 AM
[bday][bow][bday][bow][bday][bow][bday][bow][bday][bow][bday]


Tom - here’s something that I know is near & dear to your railroading heart! [swg]




Pennsylvania Railroad’s GG1


QUOTE: The GG1 was designed by the Pennsylvania Railroad based on the need for a locomotive that could pull more than 12 to 14 passenger cars. The railroad thought it had designed the perfect electric passenger locomotive, the P-5a, but as the P-5a locomotives arrived, it became necessary to double head them on many trains in order to protect schedules. Two other factors were involved in the development of the GG1. The chassis and wheel arrangement were a result of experiments with a leased New Haven EP3a and the streamlined body and center crew cab were an outcome of concern for crew safety. A tragic grade crossing accident in which a box cab P-5a hit a truck killing the engineer, reinforced the need for better protection for the crew. After the accident, a hold was put on further manufacture of the box cab P-5a and the locomotive was redesigned to include a center crew cab. The GG1 was given a sculptured carbody with contoured hoods that were tapered to provide visibility for the enginemen. As a result, a very aesthetically pleasing design evolved. Raymond Loewy, the renowned industrial designer, reviewed the prototype and recommended welding the shell rather than using rivets. He then suggested adding the famous pin stripes, making the design an award winner.

The railroad built 139 units (#4800 through #4938) between the years 1934 and 1943. Many of them were built at the Juniata Locomotive Shop in Altoona, PA.

This streamlined locomotive, designed for bidirectional operation was mainly used for passenger trains, but a few were regeared for freight service. The GG1 survived longer than any other American locomotive design, lasting from 1934 to well into the 1980s. The 79.5 foot long 230+ ton GG1 was built on an articulated frame which permitted its 2-C+C-2 wheel arrangement to negotiate tight curves even in congested areas. Power was picked up from an overhead 11,000 Volt AC catenary wire by a pantograph and the voltage stepped-down through an on board transformer to feed the 12 single phase 25 cycle traction motors. Each of these motors developed 385 HP giving the GG1 a total of 4620 HP in continuous operation and allowed speeds up to 100 mph. The body of the locomotive also housed large blowers for motor and transformer cooling, a steam boiler for passenger car heat, electric controllers and sanding boxes.

Of the 139 units built, only 16 survive today. Some have been restored superficially and can be visited as shown below. It is not likely that any of these survivors will ever run again because of the prohibitive cost to rebuild or replace the electrical components.

Will a GG1 ever run again?

A GG1 will probably never run again. Steam locomotives can be restored through extraordinary efforts, if needed, to repair or remanufacture mechanical parts. Once a steam locomotive has been restored, all one needs is coal (or oil) and water, to have the ability to run if track is available.

The GG1 survivors have had their transformers removed, many of the traction motors have shorted out and all of the other current carrying parts have deteriorated to the point of uselessness. The one exception may be 4935 in Strasburg, PA which may be capable of actually running if a transformer and a proper catenary were available. The GG1 was a 25 cycle (HZ) machine for which the PRR maintained their own substation to provide the 25 cycle current.

Locomotives today are capable of operating on 25 HZ or 60 HZ and most railroads are using 60 HZ so they can buy power directly from the power companies and avoid the expense of maintaining their own substations.

There is also a possible problem with contamination from PCB's, which to this point no one talks about. The GG1 transformer was cooled with a fluid known generically as Askarel (a non-flammable synthetic liquid dielectric). This liquid contains PCB's, and any evidence of PCB's would be a show stopper.

Many of the GG1s had developed cracks in their frames which means major repair or replacement would be needed. In addition the drivers, the trucks, and the carbody would have to refurbished. After that, all new electrical components and controls would have to be furnished. This could possibly cost around $1.5 to $2.0 million.

I seriously doubt that anyone would spend the money to get a GG1 to run. Some have spent large sums to refurbish steam locomotive but only where there has been available track to allow excursion to provide payback.

With all new electrical equipment and modern controls, this new GG1 could run on the Northeast Corridor or any other electrified railroad but, it would not be an authentic GG1, it would simply be a modern electric locomotive with the carbody of a GG1. Unfortunately changes in technology have finally, after 60 years, forced the retirement of the most durable locomotive of all time.

The Pennsylvania Railroad GG1: The "Congressionals" and "The Senator"

In 1885, the PRR introduced a passenger train that ran between New York City and Washington, DC with limited stops along the route. This train, known as the " Congressional Limited Express", became the favorite train for businessmen and politicians.

As traffic increased, more "limiteds" were added to the railroad's schedule and by the 1940's there were, among many "limiteds" two "Congressionals", one leaving Washington for New York and one leaving New York for Washington each afternoon , except Sunday. These two very popular trains were each led by a GG1 and the "Congressonal" out of Washington could make the 226.6 mile run in 3 hours and 35 minutes with six station stops.

In the early 1950s, two more "Congressionals" were added. Each day there would be a "Morning Congressional" and an "Afternoon Congressional" leaving from each city. Later, two "Mid-Day Congressionals" were added.

The PRR purchased sixty new streamlined cars from the Budd Company in 1952. The cars were used on the "Congressionals" and also on "The Senator", a Boston - Washington "limited" that was shared with the New Haven Railroad. These handsome stainless-steel cars with Tuscan red trim were assembled into train sets of coaches, parlor cars, dinning cars and squared-ended observation cars.

To pull these "signature" trains the PRR painted six of its GG1 locomotives Tuscan red with the famous gold leaf pin stripes in 1952. The GG1s selected were numbers 4908 through 4913. Later, four more (numbers 4856, 4857, 4876 and 4929) were given the same Tuscan red livery.

In 1955, when the GG1 livery was restyled, all of the GG1s were painted Brunswick green execpt five of them. Numbers 4907 and 4916 were painted Tuscan red and numbers 4866, 4872 and 4880 were given a special livery. These three were painted silver and had, a broad red stripe, a very large keystone and 18 inch high black "Roman" lettering. All five of these locomotives were eventually painted Brunswick green with standard livery. from: www.steamlocomotive.com


PRR GG1 #4933 (photo credit: Jack Humphrey)



PRR GG1 #4933 (photo credit: Richard Duley)



PRR GG1 #4800 (photo credit: RR Museum of PA)



PRR GG1 #4859 (photo credit: Transportation Center, Harrisburg, PA)



PRR GG1 #4890 (photo credit: Frank Hicks)



PRR GG1 #4890 (photo credit: National RR Museum, Green Bay, WI)



PRR GG1 #4903 (courtesy: Age of Steam Museum, Dallas, TX)



PRR GG1 #4913 (photo credit: Ana Dill)



PRR GG1 #4927 (photo credit: Illinois Railway Museum)



PRR GG1 #4935 (photo credit: RR Museum of PA)



Enjoy! [tup]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:56 AM
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Birthday Bash Announcement!


Our leader and “steamed” Proprietor of “Our” Place will be celebrating his Birthday here at the bar - 7 PM – central time – TODAY!


Let’s have a great turn out for the guy who NEVER forgets any of us on our special days!


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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:16 AM
Hi Tom and all.

I'll have a very Quick coffee as I have got to take the pooch out, just wanted to wish you [bday][bday][bday][4:-)] TOM
Looks like a great start to the day at the Bar [tup][tup][tup].
Back later PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:17 AM
G'day Gents!

Just a quick THANX to those of you who have sent your B'day Greetings! [tup]

Getting ready to take Juneau to his "day care" and then we're off for the day . . . .

I'll surely read and re-read everything Posted - and it looks like a sure-fire-winnAH thus far with the CN & Pennsy GG1s!!

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:17 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present: coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

The Daily Whiz-bang (a.k.a. local paper) this a.m. had a picture of a lovely red R.J. Corman locomotive at South Side Junction (near beautiful downtown Thurmond). It had been brought in for a calendar shoot (gives new meaning to the idea of a centerfold,) and I guess was so taken with the scenery and the remote location that it expired. Anyway, not something we see every day around here as most of the time we get LARGE GE power with lotsa coal cars.

Tom - One thing I can say for the Cardinals is at least they can read signs and didn’t run themselves out of a potential rally in the 9th inning – sheesh! As one of my old coaches used to tell us, “We keep our signs simple so even you can understand them.” Nothing like targeting your remarks to your audience.

Enjoyed the Marx post yesterday – seems like that continued from past weeks,

Lars – Glad to see you back “with us.”

Tom provided us with some B&O material. BTW, I had lots of fun with Air Canada and this was years ago!

Wanswheel provided much in the way of nostalgia, a beautiful D&H shot (just the way I remember seeing that train).

Then we have Barndad’s toy train memories (how true), and a remote control device (as the Guinness guys say, “Brilliant!” And today some evocative Canadian steam shots – make sure to check out the tank cars in the last photo.

Nick- Remodeling. My turn for that is later this summer. I am already making plans to relocate the family, at least two states away, so I don’t have to deal with the !@#$% and moaning! My sympathies to you, sir and remember, cement is neither for boots nor garments.

Pete – Upcoming trip sounds great – remember batteries, please.

As I said yesterday, I am going to have to jump the gun on our ‘steamed proprietor’s celebration.

Here goes.

Tom is our editor, bouncer, mental (No Boris, mentor!), etc., etc. And boy, have we been waiting for this day. Years ago, a family member warned my mother to watch out for, “Tramps, railroaders, and sailors.” Now we are gathered to honor someone who is all three.

Working with Tom, I learned a long time ago that it is impossible to discuss issues with a person who insists on referring to himself as “we.”

Tom is, withal, a reflective sort; probably based on all of his years at sea, by himself, in an open boat. Over this time, he recorded his thoughts on sheets of paper, stuffed them into bottles (empty of course), corked the bottles, and threw them over the side: leaving the sea to take them.

Our crack CM3 research department found a bunch of these bottles in a seine net belonging to a dragger out of Pt. Judith.

This, of course, was after we disarmed the three U-Boat torpedoes we also caught. It was an interesting catch to be sure, and we are happy to share some of the printable items with you.

The first bottle had a biographical musing on education.

“I didn’t do very well in math – I could never persuade the teacher that I hadn’t meant my answers literally.” This has, of course, been succeeded by his well-known saying, “Four out of three people are confused by fractions!”

Tom went to work at an early age, but it is an unconfirmed rumor that he fired steam shovels during the construction of the Panama Canal. This is what confused me when I found a clipping of a news photo which clearly showed him applauding as TR said, “*** the law! I want the canal built!”

He learned to cook as a young man as I discovered an early note regarding the culinary arts. It was in his handwriting and said, “The recipe says to separate two eggs, but it doesn’t say how far.” That’s probably why he hired the Our Place staff – we are, indeed, grateful for all of them; vegetable, animal, and mineral. Surely the jolliest bunch this side of the nuthouse!

As he grew older, Tom became a keen observer of the human condition which probably explains the cryptic note, “We have nothing to fear but sanity itself.” IIRC, FDR used that remark in a slightly different context.

Another note addressed marriage. This one said, “Some people claim that marriage interferes with romance. There’s no doubt about it. Anytime you have a romance, your wife is bound to interfere.”

We all know that Tom follows the Cardinals. I wondered about the partial fragment that said, “Fractions drove me from school, and the vagrancy laws drove me to baseball.”

The last notes I found which were not waterlogged completely were a couple of definitions.

“A consultant is someone who takes your watch to tell you what time it is.”

And

“A judge is a law student who grades his own examination papers.”

The rest of the papers spontaneously combusted so we are left to wonder...........

Happy Birthday!

Work safe

P.S. GG1 post appeared while I was getting this ready ; a keeper for sure.
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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:39 AM
Hi Tom and all.

I'll have another coffee and a traditional breakfast please CINDY as I better get a good base for tonight and the[bday] Ba***up].
With [C=:-)]NICKS culinary delights[yeah].

As I said a great start to TOM's birthday not to forget AL and the B&O Streamlined Sleeping Cars of last night[tup]

DOUG Wonderful piece and photos of #6231 at the end of N.American steam, it captured exactly waiting to photograph a loco in cold weather. The loco is in great condition considering steam was about to finish[^].

NICK Great to see you back and looking forward to your visits later[tup].

TED Glad the VA visit went well and it really is good to meet old friends. And may I say how much I agree with the note to LARS & NICK you are a true gentleman sir. [tup] See you later this evening.

LARS What can I say, great Pennsey GG1 text and photos. They are magnificent locos and to have seen them in action must have been an experience to savour. How well the color schemes suited the GG1s. [^][^][^].
The photo of #4890 in the Green Bay Museum reminded me that there is an A4, Big Boy and a GG1 all in the same hall absolutely wonderful.

CM3 A birthday tribute to Tom as only you can [tup][tup][tup].

TOM The OOGIE BOOGIE joke is one of my favourites probably down to my weird English sense of Humour[(-D].

Well back in a bit after I have battled with the word processor. PETE.

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