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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:03 AM
Good Morning!

Back again – had to attend to some matters upstairs and out back. Whoever had that Penthouse Suite last, surely must have had a great time! [}:)]

Okay, where was I[?] Oh [yeah] acknowledgments . . . continuing right along then:

barndad Doug
Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:01:22


So, who do I make the check out to[?] What a great train and how appropriate for ”Our” Place! Sure, we “need” to have this and “need” it NOW![tup] Pehaps Vito over at the Second National Bank of Mentor Village can come up with some “creative financing” for the purchase! [:O]

I have no idea what things like purchasing an entire train really costs, but that price appears a lot lower than I would have guessed. But that’s only half of it. Can you imagine the costs of operating it, not to mention indemnity, etc. How do you define “hassle’[?]

Great idea and something to dream about …..[tup][tup][tup]

That joke – well, not being a golfer, I suppose “some of you” found the humor. Being a sailor on the other hand, eh, eh, eh! The difference, they say, between love ‘n lust is the condition of the room! Hmmmmmmm – Penthouse Suite comes to mind.[swg]


coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:02:34


Email en route . . .

You surely covered lotsa ground with that Post and it’s all ‘right on!’[tup][tup]

I see that you got the spelling of the “Cariboo Prospector” correct. Many people make the assumption . . . . but we all have heard about the breakdown of that word, eh[?][swg]

One of the finest rail trips we have ever taken was aboard that string of RDCs from N. Vancouver. One of my earlier Posts chronicled that adventure. BC Rail ran a great operation, maintained those cars extremely well, ,and God provided us with some of the most marvelous views we’d seen by rail to that point. Just an all around wonderful experience.[tup][tup][tup] So sorry to see the demise of BC Rail – still really bothers me.[tdn]

That PBS thing we watched last night on Monty Python was hilarious. Looks like they are marketing their “Personal Best,” which is what the programming featured. Check out this URL if you (or anyone else) is interested:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EDWM3Q/qid=1141310752/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/103-7572461-7935817?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130

Watch the SUMMARY for tomorrow – that’s where the next “Theme Day” will appear. However – it will be the “threesome” of ACL – SAL – SCL.[tup]


STAY TUNED! Part II of today’s “feature” will Post around 10 AM (Central). Watch for it![tup]


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:58 AM



Canadian Railways of the Past

Number Three:British Columbia Railways (BCR)

PART II of II




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The sale of BC Rail

Looking to retire BC Rail's debt, on May 13, 2003, British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell reneged on promises to the contrary and announced that the government would privatise BC Rail (by means of a 999 year lease), while retaining ownership of the right-of-way. On November 25, 2003, it was announced that Canadian National's (CN) bid of $1 billion would be accepted over those of several other companies. The transaction was closed on July 15, 2004. Many opponents, including the Canadian Pacific Railway, accused the government and CN of rigging the bidding process, though this has been denied by the government. It has also recently surfaced that Dave Basi and other upper-echelon aides may have been unsuccessfully bribed by OmniTRAX, another bidder, in exchange for skewing the process in that company's favour.

Freight services

The railway transported a wide variety of products, from resource traffic to intermodal freight. Forest products are one of the main products transported by the railway. Before its sale to CN, the railway transported over 120,000 carloads of lumber, pulp, woodchips, and other forest products per year. The railway served several lumber and pulp mills in the province. Between 1983 and 2003, the railway hauled coal in unit trains from the Teck and Quintette mines near Tumbler Ridge to to Prince George, from where CN would haul the trains to Prince Rupert for shipment to Japan. The Quintette mine, the larger-producing of the two, closed in 2000 and the Teck mine closed in 2003.

Starting in the 1960s, the PGE operated an intermodal service that transported truck trailers between North Vancouver and Prince George, and to places further north. Unlike most of the railway's other traffic, most of the intermodal traffic was northbound. In April 1982, the railway combined its piggyback and LCL services to form a new Intermodal Services Department. BC Rail halted its intermodal services in 2002. Starting in 1958, the railway started to haul grain from the Peace River District, serving grain elevators at Dawson Creek, Buick, Fort St. John, and Taylor. With an amendment to the Western Grain Transportation Act in 1985 that included the railway in the Act, it became economical for the railway to transport grain, and it also carried grain from Northern Alberta bound for Prince Rupert, interchanging with CN at Dawson Creek and Prince George.

From the 1920s to the 1960s, the railway also carried gold concentrate and bullion from the Bridge River goldfield towns of Bralorne and Pioneer Mine, which were trucked out of the goldfield area over 3500' Mission Pass to the railway at Shalalth. The main freight company operating out of Shalalth was Evans Transportation Co., which grew to be one of the biggest transportation companies in the province. In addition to gold concentrate and ore, Evans and other companies based in [[Shalalth, British Columbia|Shalalth carried passengers, heavy equipment, and supplies of all kinds over 3500' Mission Pass.

Interchanges

Between 1928 and 1952, the PGE did not interchange with any other railway. Connections were made to other railways when the railway expanded during the 1950s. The main connection to the North American rail network was in North Vancouver, where there was a connection to CN. There was also a rail connection to deep-sea terminal operator Vancouver Wharves, and some interchange occurred with the Union Pacific Railroad through the Seaspan railbarge link between North Vancouver and Seattle, Washington. The railway also interchanged with CN at Prince George, and with Northern Alberta Railways (acquired by CN in 1981) at Dawson Creek. CN's line between Dawson Creek and Hythe, Alberta, fell into disuse in 1998, but CN agreed to reopen it as a condition of purchasing BC Rail.

Reporting marks


BCIT 871027 in interchange service on the BN in 1992.
[Creative Commons] (photo: Sean Lamb)

Reporting marks are a system intended to help keep track of rolling stock and financial transactions between railways. The Pacific Great Eastern Railway used the reporting mark PGE. It later adopted the reporting mark PGER in 1971 for freight cars in international service. When the railway was renamed to the British Columbia Railway, it adopted the reporting mark BCOL, as well as the BCIT reporting mark for freight cars in international service.

Passenger services

Since the line opened, the PGE had provided passenger service between Squamish and Quesnel (as well as between North Vancouver and Horseshoe Bay until operations were discontinued there in 1928). When the PGE reached Prince George and North Vancouver, daily service was extended to these cities. Service between Lillooet and Prince George was cut back to three times weekly in the 1960s. In 1978, the McKenzie Royal Commission recommended that the BCR eliminate its passenger services, which were losing over $1 million per year, unless it received government funding for them, but the BCR did not do so. However, facing large losses and an ageing fleet of Rail Diesel Cars, it reduced passenger operations to three trains weekly to Lillooet and once weekly to Prince George on February 16, 1981. This service reduction led to public outrage, and the British Columbia government agreed to provide subsidies for passenger operations. The previous level of service was restored on May 4, 1981.

Passenger service ended on October 31, 2002. BC Rail replaced the service between Lillooet and nearby Seton Portage and D'Arcy with a pair of railbuses, called "track units" by the railway. The railbus makes at least one round trip between Seton Portage and Lillooet daily, and also serves D'Arcy if there is sufficient demand. The Seton Lake Indian Band manages ticket sales, marketing, and customer service for the shuttle service.

Passenger Services will return to the line in Summer 2006, with Rocky Mountaineer Railtours operating two services over the former BCRail route, the Whistler Mountaineer will operate between Vancouver and Whistler, with a seperate service operating north from Whistler through Prince George to Jasper. The West Coast Railway Association is also due to return the Royal Hudson #2860 to service during 2006.

Excursion services

The railway's best-known excursion service was its Royal Hudson excursion service, which was the only regularly scheduled steam excursion service on mainline trackage in North America. Excursion service started on June 20, 1974, running between North Vancouver and Squamish. By the end of the first season 47,295 passengers had been carried. The Royal Hudson would become one of British Columbia's primary tourist attractions. It operated between May and October. It was cancelled at the end of the 2001 tourist season.


The Whistler Northwind. Photo courtesy http://www.trainweb.com/.

Two other excursion services were introduced by BC Rail in 1997 and 2001. In 1997, BC Rail introduced the Pacific Starlight dinner train, which ran in evenings between May and October between North Vancouver and Porteau Cove. In 2001, BC Rail introduced the Whistler Northwind, a luxury excursion train that ran between May and October, northbound from North Vancouver to Prince George or southbound from Prince George to Whistler. The train used several custom-designed dome cars. Both services were discontinued at the end of the 2002 season along with BC Rail's passenger service.

Historically, and discontinued in the 1960s, the railway at one time operated open-top observation cars all the way from North Vancouver to Lillooet and sometimes beyond.

A series of lodges of varying quality grew up along the railway, drawing on weekend tourist excursions from Vancouver via the MV Brittania steamer service to Squamish. The most famous of these was Rainbow Lodge at Whistler, then called Alta Lake, but others were at Birken Lake, Whispering Falls, D'Arcy, Ponderosa, McGillivray Falls, Seton Portage, the Bridge River townsite (where there was a first-class hotel serving mining and hydro executives and their guests), Shalalth, Retaskit and at Craig Lodge near Lillooet. The last-named was a swank tennis resort, its attraction being the extremely arid, sunny climate and the waters of Seton Lake.

Locomotives

Until the late 1940s, most motive power on the PGE was provided by steam locomotives. The majority of the railway's locomotives were of the 2-6-2, 2-8-0 and 2-8-2 (Whyte notation) wheel configurations. In addition, the railway also used a handful of gasoline cars, notably on a flatcar automobile ferry between Shalalth and Lillooet known simply as the Gas Car, once a vital lifeline for the communities of the upper Bridge River basin before the completion of a road from there to Lillooet.

The railway received its first diesel locomotive in June 1948, a General Electric 65-ton locomotive. Over the next two years the railway acquired six GE 70-ton locomotives. In the 1950s, the railway bought RS-3, RS-10, and RS-18 locomotives from the Montreal Locomotive Works (MLW). The railway had fully dieselized by 1956, and by the end of the decade had nearly 40 diesel locomotives. The railway would purchase new locomotives exclusively from MLW until 1980. During the 1970s, the railway also purchased several used locomotives, mostly American Locomotive Company (ALCO) models from American railways. In the 1980s, the railway acquired new SD40-2 locomotives made by General Motors Diesel (GMD), as well as used SD40-2s originally made by General Motors Electro-Motive Division (EMD). More recently, several locomotives were purchased from General Electric.

In 1970, the railway started using remote controlled mid-train locomotives, allowing longer and heavier trains to be operated through the steep grades of the Coast Mountains. It initially used separate remote control cars to control the mid-train locomotives, but in 1975 it received eight M420B locomotives from MLW. These locomotives were specially designed for mid-train operation. They contained remote control stations, and were cabless.

The railway also leased seven G6FC electric locomotives made by GMD for use on the electrified Tumbler Ridge Subdivision between 1983 and 2000, when the electrification was removed. In 2004, one was sold to the British Columbia Railway & Forest Industry Museum in Prince George, and the rest were scrapped.

For passenger service, the PGE purchased seven Budd Rail Diesel Cars (RDC) in 1956. Starting in the 1970s, the BCR started to purchase some used RDCs. The RDCs were retired in 2002, when BC Rail ended its passenger services

The BCR also used some historic locomotives for its Royal Hudson excursion service. The primary locomotive for the Royal Hudson excursion train was Canadian Pacific Railway No. 2860, a class H1 4-6-4 Royal Hudson. Made by MLW for the Canadian Pacific Railway in June 1940, it was the first locomotive built as a Royal Hudson. A sister locomotive, No. 2850, pulled King George VI's and Queen Elizabeth's royal train in 1939, and after the tour the King gave the CPR permission to use the term "Royal Hudson" for the class of locomotives. Between 1940 and 1956 it hauled transcontinental passenger trains between Revelstoke and Vancouver. Damaged in a derailment in 1956, it was refurbished and transferred to Winnipeg in 1957 for service on the prairies. It was withdrawn from service in May 1959, replaced by diesel locomotives. It was sold to the Vancouver Railway Museum Association in 1964 and was stored in Vancouver until 1973, when the British Columbia government acquired the locomotive from Joe. W. Hussey, who had purchased it three years earlier. It was restored and then leased to the British Columbia Railway, who used it in excursion service between 1973 and 2000. It was out of service during the 2001 tourist season, needing extensive repairs. The backup for No. 2060 was Canadian Pacific Railway No. 3716, a 2-8-0 built by MLW in 1912. During the 2001 season, when both steam locomotives were out of service, BC Rail leased No. 4069, a restored Canadian Pacific Railway FP7A diesel locomotive.

References

• Andreae, Christopher (1997). Lines of country: an atlas of railway and waterway history in Canada, Boston Mills Press, Erin, Ontario. ISBN 1550461338.
• Sanford, Barrie (1981). The Pictorial History of Railroading in British Columbia, Whitecap Books, Vancouver, British Columbia. ISBN 0920620272.
• Horton, Timothy J. (1988). The British Columbia Railway (Volume One), B.R.M.N.A., Calgary, Alberta. ISBN 0-919487-28-9.
• Garrett, Colin and Max Wade (2001). Locomotives: A complete history of the world's great locomotives and fabulous train journeys, 260-263, London: Arness Publishing Limited. ISBN 1-94309-264-6.
• Schmidt, Paul (May, 2003). British Columbia seeks new BC Rail operator, retains right-of-way. Trains: p.11.
• About BC Rail - Facts & Figures. BC Rail. URL accessed on December 6, 2002.
• $1-BILLION BC RAIL INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP MOVES FORWARD. Province of British Columbia press releases. URL accessed on May 14, 2005.

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

Did you miss the first two in the series[?] Click on the URL:
#1 Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR), page 246
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=246&TOPIC_ID=35270

#2 Northern Alberta Railways (NAR), page 249
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=249&TOPIC_ID=35270


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Posted by Trainnut484 on Thursday, March 2, 2006 11:14 AM
Good morning Tom and gang. I'll have a Coke to go, since just dropping this note for Tom.

The cars for the Louisiana steam train association are all heavyweights, and features Mardi Gras and Hurricane Katrina exhibits. I'm not sure of their heritage, but local newspaper says they're from the Illinois Central. The cars are: Generator car (RPO), Baton Rouge (Baggage), Orleans (Baggage), and Jefferson (open-end Observation).

I included the web site address for the association with the pic. It mentions what they're about and how to help preserve their projects. In case you and/or anyone missed it, here it is again:

http://www.lasta.org/

Take care,

Russell
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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, March 2, 2006 11:37 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!

A fine day at the bar and some well done postings from our Captain, Doug, Al, CM3 and Rob from last night. I am sure I have missed someone, my apologies, as I am browsing with two screens – one on the bar the other preparing this on my WP.

Must say that I am chagrined over the loss of the BC Rail organization. Now that I am so close to what used to be, it diminishes just a bit to know that such a fine rail journey is no longer available. Undoubtedly those engaged in the “rail cruises” will, or have, put together itineraries along that route. However, what could possible compare or compete with those BC Rail RDCs[?] Listen to me, and I am not a qualified foamer!<grin>

Captain Tom, it is a tad early for the hard stuff, so how about one of those mugs of hot java, a splash of something interesting if you please, and I will settle for 2 of those great looking turnovers in the pastry case – apple is fine, thanks!

I left you with our trip down the mountainside to go marketing – or so I thought. Actually, we did accompli***he replenishment of the food locker (sailor talk for our Captain!) and then some. While in town, we met up with some folks by prearrangement with my intended and had a rousing good time at a local bistro. I think this place will fit in quite well with the plans I have for tomorrow and all of them to come.

As is the case in life, one never knows just what lurks around that proverbial corner. Awaiting us back at the chalet were two phone messages – one each. Hers: death in the family – mine: death in the family. Can you believe that[?] She: lost a rather close aunt. Me: a nephew, lost in combat. Rather not delve into any details. I mention these accountings not for any condolences, but simply to explain the absence. We covered quite a bit of ground these past several days and none of it was for pleasure. Please, gentlemen, the less said the better. Thank you.

Ah, there is more. Awaiting me, once we returned to the chalet was an overnight mailing from my company. Inside, an offer that was intended to sway me from the future I thought I would never have. I must tell you that the decision was absolutely easy for me to make – no thank you came out immediately. She is still smiling. We have discussed disconnecting the phone and ceasing postal service!<smile>

Lars, my friend, what in the world is going on? This sounds very much like a poorly written soap opera. G&S? I am not sure, at least until I listen to the music!<grin> At any rate, it appears that things are progressing, in spite of the continuance of the nuisance factor. But, you are experienced enough in life to know that “stuff” happens!

Captain Tom, that Alaskan rail adventure sounds like quite a bit of fun. When up on the ‘slope’ some years back, I had occasion to overnight in Fairbanks a few times. Found the place an interesting mix for sure. Now that I have “met” the guys from this bar, perhaps Fairbanks would be an appropriate place for our ilk!<grin> Good times. Alas, big oil has brought along with it, big changes. Prices went skyrocketing along with pretty much everything else in terms of what it once was. Kind of like what is happening in present day Newfoundland – St. Johns to be precise. Had business there too, and gagged at the hotel bills of $400 per night. Big oil, big changes, every time.

You will have to tell us more about your itinerary as I am sure that mine is not the only interest.

Doug, that’s quite a train for the bar. If Captain Tom cannot quite cover the amount, perhaps we can conjur up support from the group. Having once experienced a party on the rails, cannot imagine a better way to enjoy a trip – and with a dome at that!

Afraid that I have not gotten into my railroad reading list yet. Some books have arrived and my collection is beginning to grow. No doubt I will get to and through them, but with the interruptions of life, it may take a bit more time.

I expect to spend some time today reviewing the pages and pages of material that has amassed since my last visit. That Index of yours, Captain Tom, is not only quite a works, it is rather nicely formatted. Surely brings the point home, loud and clear, just how much this thread relies upon your contributions and mentoring (appropriate name, eh?) Appears as if you have figured a way to circumvent the differences of WP and forums requirements. Good show and a nice touch with the flags!

My urges have been suppressed to make comment to those imbeciles who seem to think that asking questions like, “If you won a quadrillion dollars ….” What kind of foolishness spurs that kind of thinking and what kinds of fools engage in it? Sorry if that is offensive, but for heavens sake, perhaps elsewhere, but not where “I live.” My suggestion to those who feel compelled to post – do so on Captain Tom’s two fine sites. At least you will be acknowledged and contribute to something much more worth the while. Of course, the option remains for one and all, not to read these junk postings and certainly not to answer them. Surely the better approach.

Captain Tom, a suggestion for your movie listings: why not “North to Alaska” with John Wayne and that great looking gal, Capucine?? Nothing to do with trains, but a good movie from decades ago. My guess is there are many other “Alaska” titles out there as well.

Is it me, or are there two postings this morning without even a mention of your fine efforts with the BC Railways[?]

Given that there is money left in the BK Sack ‘o Cash I authorize the withdrawal of a suitable amount for drinks on me twice this day.

BK in beautiful Alberta high country!
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, March 2, 2006 11:47 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! as seen originally on pg 262

PART 1 BC RAIL TUMBLER RIDGE SUB

Completed in 1983 to tap the coal resorses of the highgrade Tumbler Ridge Coal Field ,eighty miles away on the east side of the Rockey Mountains. The Tumbler division leaves the BCR mainline at Wakely, mile 537.2 on the Chetwynd subdivision. Wakely was named after the BC railways chief engineer, that president and CEO Mac Norris brouight out from the CPR. Wakely left the BCR and returned to CP to complete or at least start the Rogers Pass tunnel project in 1975.

From the jct switch at Wakely, the line crosses to the north bank of the Parsnip river and follows it upstream to the Table river. Between Table and Whitford siding s the line reaches it's maximum eastern gradient of 1.5% as it climbs the 5.6 mile long Table MTN tunnel.

Between the Table and Wolverine tunnels the railway is located in a high alpine valley at 3815 feet altitude, in which the headwaters of the Sukunka River flows. Once through the 3.7 mile long Wolverine Tunnel, it's a steady 1.2% downgrade to the crossing of the Murray River outdside the townsite of Tumbler Ridge.

There were two coal loadouts on the line, one for the Bullmoose mine at Teck, mile 69.6 and the other for the Quintette mine at Quintette, mile 82.3. The Railway has a small shop at Murray mile 73.3, where running repairs were preformed on the electric locomotives. Helpers consisting of two sets of GM / ASEA electrics ran out of Murray and coupled on behind the coal train cabooses at the loadouts. They would pu***he loaded trains up to the top of the southbound 1.2% grade, often cutting off inside the Wolverine tunnel !

The Wolverine tunnel at mile 43.6 to 47.3, is the eastern most of the two long tunnels that bring the rails under the Hart range to the Tumbler Coal Fields. One of the cheif reasons for the electrification iof this line was the two long tunnels. Diesles would have required an umence expendature of ca***o ventilate the tunnels, the electrics did not, also at 6000 hp the electrics did the wirk of two of the most powerfull diesels of the time.The Wolverine tunnel had additional problems, hot springs seep from the rock strata through which the tunnel was drilled. The sulpher in the springs corodes the copper wires of the overhead catenery so aluminum wires had to be strung throuigh the tunnels.


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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:57 PM
Hello Tom and Gents at the Bar!

Set ‘em up on me, here take the twenty and save the Lars Box for later on. I’ll have a sub sandwich today – the usual of course. Subs – hero’s – grinders – hogies – all the same, eh[?] Wonder how and why that happened – pretty much regionalized at that. As you know, we call ‘em hero’s in this part of the world. A frosty bottle of Ballantine Ale with a cold mug should work.

Very, very good work with the Canadian Railways of the Past series! A four-[tup] salute to you![tup][tup][tup] The BC Railways is a fascinating read and there surely is quite a bit of nostalgia crammed in it for many. Anyone who has been fortunate enough to travel that route from North Vancouver up to Prince George (or in reverse order) has surely experienced one fine piece of rail travel.[tup] Thanks for bringing it back, if only for a short time.

That INDEX of yours looks as if it took a bit of time to compile. But then again, my guess is you keep at it as needed in order to avoid the “starting from scratch” approach. When one looks at all of the posts you’ve provided, well – guess there’s little doubt over just who is keeping this thread running and how much effort it really takes. You have my admiration and support for what you do here.[tup]

Gentlemen, there never seems to be a dull moment around the house these days and weeks. We’ve gone from disaster to trauma to annoyance to anger to resolve to anger to resolve to …. whatever stage we’re in at the moment. Another day, another visit from the former insurance company. This time two guys. One guy was good cop, the other not so good. It wound up with me calling the real cops on my cell phone, right in front of them. It was either that, or they’d have been buried in the excavation pit! So, stay tuned.

They had the audacity to tell me that since the flooding occurred while under terms of their company policy, they had the right to inspect the situation. Apparently either or both of them didn’t know or care about the “up front settlement” in the form of the check that I received and cashed from their company. Needless to say, it appears this matter will just not go away. What in the world is there to inspect? The damaged goods have long been removed or discarded from the scene of the flooding. Further, with the place looking like a construction site, who needs more interlopers? The cops agreed with me and they were told to depart the property. Something else, huh[?]

Hey Doug that train idea is fantastic. Do you suppose we could find an appropriate place to store it at your museum in Illinois[?] This has to be purchased for the bar – no doubt about it (or no doot aboot it, for Rob up in Canada![swg]). Had I know about it BEFORE I cashed that insurance check, I could’ve signed it over toward the purchase![swg]

Is it too late to rescind my “vote’ for retention of those things called “jokes”[?] Just wondering …..

BK Good to see you are back at the bar. You seemed to have found a comfortable place for that new stool or yours and it “fits” quite well.[swg]

Making the decision to retire can be a traumatic thing for many. It was easy for me in that I knew that life at sea was beginning to take a toll on my changing and aging body. Irregular meals and sleep has a way of catching up with the best of ‘em – even me. When I made my decision, it was strictly my own and not for any other reason. I had just run out the string and it was time to go. The decision made my wife and others in the family happier, but it was for me that I did it. So, I applaud you for not being swayed by that “offer you can’t refuse” approach. Didn’t you do that once before, if I recollect[?] Anyway, wise move and much good luck with the tomorrow’s to come.[tup][tup]

Good readings on the past few pages and I’ve made it through all the posts![wow] Appreciate the continuing well wishes directed my way, even the astounded ones![swg] It’s been like that.

Looks as if I have to get a move on, as we’ve got to keep an appointment at the lawyer’s office (he’ll be late) and then get a few other things taken care of.

I caught those “slights” mentioned by BK and I agree the guys should surely know better – and they probably do. Most likely in too much of a hurry to take the time to check out what’s right in front of them. Happens.

Nice work, Rob with your follow-on![tup][tup] Hey! How come we never see you over at Tom's "other thread[?] You could surely get some mileage out of that work you put out here. Why not[?] It would also show the "boss" a bit more support for what he's trying to do and that is get us some new blood.

Set ‘em up one more time, Tom and if you need more money, take it from the “box!”[tup]


Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 4:35 PM
G’day!

Well, well, well, an afternoon with four customers! That hasn’t happened very often! Good to see Russell – BK – Rob ‘n Lars all stop by.[tup] Thanx to 3 of the 4 for recognizing the Canadian Railways of the Past – BCR! Appreciate it . . .

Sorry, Russell but here’s the “deal” – soft drinks cost five bucks if that’s all one orders; otherwise they are 50 cents a can with a food order. Coffee on the other hand is free – unless that’s all one wants, then it too is five bucks. [yeah] I know – outrageous, but that’s life in the Village![swg]

Thanx for the info on the SP train in KCity to make the trip – but I’m a bit turned off with our Amtrak on-time-performance lately and would hate to book that round trip only to find there’s no time at all to check out the display. That’s happened to me twice in less than a year.

Rob Appreciate the supplemental info on the British Columbia Railways – one thing though – its CARIBOO not Caribou – that’s the “official” BCR/PGE spelling! Should check to see if this is a Tweeetable offense! I’d have nailed three of you today![swg]

BK ‘n Lars I know why I appreciate you guys so much – you haven’t got a hang up with speaking out when you detect something not quite right. I’m like that too (really!) and whether one likes it or not, there are times when support is very much appreciated. Thanx![tup][tup][tup]

BK I know you don’t want attention drawn to you and your personal life – so why in blue blazes did you tell us[?][?] So, speaking on behalf of our guys – sympathies to you and yours. I know you said it was to segway into why you’ve been gone – but once the ‘cat is out of the bag’ that’s it, Mate![swg]

Lars As the old Judge up in the backwoods of Maine used to say, “Ahre, you Sh----ing me[?]” This cannot be happening – it has to be made up. Ain’t no way there are people in business THAT stupid. Then again, perhaps there are and they all live where I used to live! What does THAT tell ya[?][swg]

BK Good deal on making that decision regarding retirement! I concur with the “feeling,” been there ‘n done that. As Lars described his situation, that was pretty much mine too when it came time. Strictly a personal decision of mine and one that was easy to make. Didn’t leave with anything other than “thanx for the memories” kinds of feelings. Hope the same applies to you.

Rob Why not set up something for Sunday morning for a “tour” of your model RR[?] We’ll be in town and unless it would interfere with something you have going on at home – we could watch! Oooooooooops, I mean – checking out the trains would be a nice way to pass the time.[swg] Isn’t it great just thinking about how close the Rendezvous really is!![?][?]

Okay guys, I know that I’ve probably fallen short with all the comments – but I gotta get going. So enjoy the evening – and let’s hope there’s a few “takers” on the Fish ‘n Chips – otherwise, this idea may go the way of the “inclusive INDEX’s.”

Boris Ring the bell – drinks on BK![tup]


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 4:40 PM
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......


[bday] 2006 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST [bday]
(rev. Jan 30th):


March 5th (Nick – 46) Next up!
March 13th (Doug – 50)
March 31st (Lars – 66) Just added!
April 18th (Al - 64)
May 18th (Tom - 68)
May 27th (Dave - 47)
June 3rd (John) – 47) Legion of the Lost
June 24th (Dan - 44) Legion of the Lost
July 30th (Russell – 35)
August 11th (Pete – 55
August 16th (Ted – 68)
September 8th (Rob - 35)
October 18th (BK – 66)
December 29th (CM3 – 60)


Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year). Corrections too!

NICK WHEN do you want to have YOUR B'day Bash!


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 2, 2006 5:59 PM
Good eveningTom and friends! I'll have a bottemless draught and an order of fish-n'-chips please! Here's a sawbuck for a round, and please convert whatever is left into quarters for our tunes tonight. Yeah, I agree, this bar has a REAL need for a full size trainset, and I agree the price seems too good to be true. Probably because, just like horses, they cost so much to maintain! I still want the trainset though, so if Vito can help us ...why not? As for keeping it at the IRM, as Rob and Lars have suggested, we would need to raise about $100 per linear trainset footage for storage. IRM's first rule concerning equipment, is that there has to be track to accomodate it, or they would have a lot more equipment than they already do. Great 2nd part on the BCR Mr. Tom, by the way. I sure enjoyed the picture of the Whistler Northwind winding its way through such scenic country. Very nice.

Did everyone get the April Trains issue? Great articles on diners from the past! And now, here's the last part of my dynamiter story:

True Tails of the Rails from Dec. 1939 Railroad Magazine

Dan Boyle was at his rolltop desk in Livingston, gnawing his nails over the situation, when the door opened to admit a big ranchman. “I’m Nick Rovis of Townsend, thirty miles southwest of Helena,” said the newcomer. “Look at this!” Tossing a spur rowel on the desk, he gingerly unwrapped three sticks of dynamite, and went on: “My two boys were out one windy day and found a stranger eating his lunch in a haystack. The gent threw away the rest of his lunch, said ‘Hello,’ and walked around the stack to where he had a horse. Next thing they knew he was galloping for the hills. My boys discovered the spur rowel and the dynamite in the hay.” Mr. Boyle picked up the rowel, delicately engraved “Rovis, you got something. That so and so must be planning to blow up our bridge over the Missouri.”

The super had photographs made of the rowel so that police could show them around. One of the first men to see the pictures was Hank Munroe, a stableman at Livingston. “That there rowel belongs to Ike Gravelle,” said Hank, “who got out of Deer Lodge a couple of months ago.”

“Who’s Ike Gravelle?” The question went around like fire in dry grass. Isaac Gravelle was thirty-two years old, a French-Canadian who had been released from the state prison at Deer Lodge on July 16th, the day the first extortion letter was mailed, after serving six years for grand larceny.

The dynamiter: Ike Gravelle


At Helena, Chief Travis sent for Myron Shanks, a drayman who had been a friend of Gravelle’s. Shanks came. He was whitefaced and nervous, twisting his cap, hardly able to talk. “Yes, sir, I seen Ike lately,” he stuttered. “You remember the dynamite that was stolen from Holter’s warehouse? Ike got me to haul it with my team.” “Where to?” Shanks gulped. “I said I would’t tell.” “That makes you an accomplice. Open up one of the cells, boys!” “Wait, Mr. Travis! I dropped some of the stuff at Blosburg and some at Bearmouth. That’s all I know, honestly, except that Ike is hiding out some place in Priest Pass.”

Travis whistled. Priest Pass was long miles beyond Mullan; the man certainly covered ground. When he heard this, Chief McFettridge called in Jim Mc Keown, a veteran Indian fighter, and Frank Latta of Bozeman, a western pioneer, and former Sheriff John Dunn of Carbon County, and Burt Reynolds, a young railroad detective who was a splendid marksman. They constituted the best posse that could be found for a man-hunt in compact Western style.

Threatening clouds made the night of October 17th dark as coal tar when the four men camped at Birdeye, near the mouth of Mullan Tunnel. In any direction they could only see a few feet. Reynolds hooked up a telegraph set and began to get reports from up and down the line. In a few minutes there came a message which keyed him up six notches. “Calling McKeown – come to Blossburg – man planting dynamite.” “Tell him we’re riding through the tunnel,” McKeown boomed.

The men rolled up their blankets, saddled and drove their horses into the tunnel mouth, hardly blacker than the night outside, where the clank of hooves echoed sharply on the brick walls. Bumping into each other and the masonry, they somehow rode through in a hour to get a report from a breathless track-walker “I heard gravel crunching close by and then it stopped,” said the track-walker. “It was pitch dark. I crept ahead and spotted a man kneeling by the track. He saw me and fired, but he missed. I dropped to the track and answered the shots, but the guy bolted into the brush and I heard his horse galloping away.” “No dynamite?” “He didn’t have time, I guess.”

Lighted matches disclosed the horse tracks, one front hoof with a peculiar squared toe, showing that the rider had aimed for the summit of the pass. Guessing at the trail, the posse rode blindly ahead, only to lose their way near the mountain top; but as the sky began to lighten with undersea blue they picked up a clear lead towards Priest Pass. All morning they rode after the mysterious horse with the square toe; and in the afternoon, as they rounded a clump of tamarack, they came suddenly to a board shack and a corral where a man was watering horses.

Four guns followed every movement he made. The man seemed dazed, but when McKeown snatched away his revolver and Latta was roping his hands in back, the fellow swore at them in corrosive French until McKeown ordered him to lock his mouth. “Ike Gravelle,” said Mac, “we ought to be digging your grave, but we’re only taking you to Helena.” The man was contemptuous. “You got nothin’ on me,” he sneered. “Me, I am not Ike Gravelle.”

But he wore just a single rowel, and the horse with the square toe stood panting in the corral, streaked with sweat. Gravelle’s unshaven face was square, his dark hair was snarled, and the unruly black eyes showed a hasty temper. McKeown saw how the suspect had been able to escape by riding many miles – he was built like a dray horse. Near a ranch house some miles from Helena they met the regular posse, with Superintendent Dan Boyle, and got a deluge of cheers. “Sure, that’s Ike Gravelle,” one or two men verified. “You’re crazy!” he screamed. “The whole bunch of you!”

On seeing the rowel which Boyle took from his pocket, however, Gravelle seemed to shift gears mentally. In a lightnig movement he took the spur from his boot and tried to kick it into a straw pile, but he was not quick enough. The two were mates. And now, with Gravelle under lock, his friend Shanks remembered a few other facts. “It was Harvey Whitten’s idea,” he accused. Whitten was serving eighty years at Deer Lodge for murder. “He wrote the first letter and Ike sneaked it out of jail in the winding of a horsehair cane.” It was the tight binding of hair that had given the paper its look of having been wired to a broomstick.

Gravelle was tried for attempted extortion and was sentenced to ten years at Deer Lodge. Stadt and Chavez were released. After some dispute the reward of $6500 was divided amoung McKeown, Lata, Dunn, Reynolds and a couple of Helena police. For the first time in two months the railroad men of the Rocky Mountain Division could enjoy life. But the drama was not yet over. Gravelle was brought back to Helena in August, 1904, to be tried again, this time for burglary of the Holter warehouse. When court opened the crowd gaped at him. They thought the prisoner looked smouldering and dull as he sat by the table in his gray convict suit. He may have been smouldering, but he was not dull. Instantly, like a frog with a fly, he whisked a gun from one of the deputies and made a leap for the door.

“Stop him!” a dozen voices cried. A swarm of men pursued Gravelle down this street and up that, till they cornered him in the grounds of the Govenor’s mansion. From the measure of hatred in his face, they saw he meant to use the gun. And he did. As the crowd pushed back like a receding wave, he shot a deputy point-blank and then put the gun to his own temple and executed himself. It was characteristic of Ike Gravelle to make the one grandstand play left to make.

Thirty-five years passed. And today, though Dan Boyle is dead, after serving for years on the Montana Public Service Commission, Sheriff Robertson and Bill Dean, the engineer, are very much alive and are still living in Livingston. You could recognize Bill by the fuzz of his white hair. One of the four horsemen, Frank Latta, is now living in the Gallatin Valley, where he wrangles dude-ranch cows in the summer. In a vault at St. Paul the Northern Pacific keeps the payoff bag, still filled with iron washers, so it can be brought out when old-timers talk about the half-crazed Ike Gravelle, who dreamed of blowing up a railroad.

[:I] Three men are captured by a tribe while exploring the Amazon forest. They are tied to stakes and the chief says to the first man, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must choose death or Oogie Boogie." The first guy replies, "I don't want to die, I choose Oogie Boogie." All of the male warriors erupt into screaming chants, run up to the guy, bend him over and each of them have their way. The chief approaches the next guy and repeats, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must choose death or Oogie Boogie." The second guy has a wife and children and reluctantly says, "I must choose Ooogie Boogie." Again the sadistic ritual is performed by all of the warriors of the village on the poor man. At last the chief turns to the last remaining man and says, "You have been caught in our jungles. You must now choose death or Oogie Boogie." Without a pause the man yells in the chief's face, "I choose death!" "Oh my son," replies the chief, "you are very brave. Death it shall be...BY OOGIE BOOGIE!!!" [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:01 PM
Birthday Planning Special Notice

As noted in our Birthday Watch List! we have THREE customers with Birthday's this month.

So, here's the "deal" - each person will be recognized ON THE APPROPRIATE DAY with the [bday] greetings from one and all . . .

In absence of anything to the contrary, ONE DAY THIS MONTH IS TO BE DESIGNATED for a BASH for ALL THREE!

For those involved, PLEASE communicate with me by Email with a primary & secondary date & time for your B'day BASH and I'll try to work out a mutually agreed upon schedule for all three.

So, this coming Sunday NICK will be RECOGNIZED on his Natal Day! However, the BASH will be at a later date … .<phew>


Thanx!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:40 PM
Hi Tom and all

A pint of Bathams and Round for the fine postsyesterday and today. And of course put me down for The Fish and Chips. But will H&H hand over the galley to [C=:-)] Nick[?].

Sorry for not being in yesterday but I have read the posts.

TOM Fascinating Canadian Railways of the Past[tup][tup][tup]. It is unusual for a U.K railfan to see how recent some of the long new lines were constructed. The BC looks one of the worlds railway treasures. I hope the passenger trains being re introduced as specials is a success and I hope they are not priced so high that an ordinary railfan can get a ride behind the Royal Hudson in such great scenery.
I can remember a Railway Magazine of the 70s that had the Hudson on the cover and an article about inside. A mavellous loco.

Why was the express spelt CARIBOO?

The Tumbler Ridge line was very interesting, many thanks ROB for the extra info,looking forward to the next parts. They were sad photos of the locos being scrapped. At least one was saved.

Many thanks AL for the DRCs. was that the longest distance worked by them.

RUSSEL good photo of #745. Is the loco visible from the Amtrak platforms at Union Station do you know [?]( just In case the Amtrak from St Louis is running late).

TED Great to see you [tup] we will have to have a chat about Irish Railways[yeah].

DOUG Thanks for sharing the Dynamite story really Excellent stuff. YES keep the jokes coming[:D]. My mate has sent me Blonde Joke of the Year but I dare not post it.

BK Good to see you ,what is a Foamer[?].

LARS How do you keep your cool with the guys from the insurance[?].
By the way what sort of ale is Ballentyne.

NICK. Great Post. As well as Tolkien, Dvorak was apperently a railfan. I read that when in the U.S he worked near a station and one time sent a servant to get a loco number and gave in a right roasting when he brought the number on the tender.
There was some private owner wooden wagons stored at remote siding in Rugby long after they were used, why they were there or what happen to them I dont know.

Well Tom time for me to hand over the puter. What a fantastic trip to Alaska you have planned[wow][yeah].
Glad you are liking the Monty Pythons were they really made that long ago.
I was lucky I got to see the CAN-AM before the turnstile was installed[:-^]. PETE>
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:17 PM
<Cleese> `Ello Miss
<Palin> what do you mean "Miss"?
<Cleese> I`m sorry,I ave a cold
dramatic pause
<Cleese> I wi***o register a complaint.............

Sorry,just too good to resist.......the Pythons were an integral part of my adolescence and worthy ( if rather more satirical ) sucessors to Milligans `Goon Show`--indeed,if pressed,I could probably recite most of the parrot sketch verbatim from memory--an invaluable skill in todays cut and thrust employment market..............
As someone who has spent most of their working life in various aspects of the service industry I also have a large soft spot for `Fawlty Towers`-so true to life it`s scary..
Right-enough of this idle chit-chat,there`s fi***o fry,but first,some catch-ups
[4:-)][oX)]TOM-a big green bottle if you please-better save the rum for sunday,a Keiths for you and ROB and poisons of choice for all our other good buddies [^]
A fine piece of work on PGE/BCR-seems to have brought the chaps out of their shells as well-obviously a more popular road than one might have thought--my contribution will be a couple of quite nice pix,which I will forward by tomorrow ( also one from the N.A.R,for completeness).
Something of a bitter-sweet feel to the pix of B.C.R loco`s being dismantled,nothing lasts forever but still.......
R.E B/Day-more than happy to do it on mon. instead,bearing in mind that sun. is your (well earned ) day of rest,however,you`re the boss so will go with the flow.
Attempted to send a couple of tracks from the band as E-Mail attachments earlier for onward distribution to any interested parties but seems they take 40+ MB per minute of playing time and machine copped a fit of the vapours so you will just have to wait for the global tour...........(in yer dreams hippy)
Light and lively does it on the gazette [tup]-am starting to build the framework--whats the name of the village at the end of the branch ?-minor detail
Now I have a take on `Yogi` it all makes a lot more sense-sounds like a real nice guy-as you say,straight-up,grounded and generally `kosher`
BK-Welcome back-absent friends,always missed-glasses raised-nuff said
ROB-todays E-Mails deserve posting-go on-you know you want to.........
nice addendum on the B.C.R/P.G.E--It is indeed possible that Boris served an apprenticeship under Abiatha Swelter,the "slug-like illness of fat"-head chef and despot of the great kitchens of Gormenghast castle ( brilliantly portrayed by Richard Griffiths in the T.V adaptation) until rescued by our good selves.........
Shrubbery---"We are the knights who say " Ni " and we DEMAND a shrubbery" ( sorry guys,it`s that sort of night-just back from auditioning a new singer for #3 band-bit hyper)
DOUG-a splendid tale,well told-nice one [^] -That joke would translate well into Welsh [swg]-now,the `Our Place` train-I`ll do the cooking as long as I get to drive once in a while-deal ?-if I ever get the band over there we`ll use it instead of a tour-bus (just like Gram Parsons with the Flying Burrito Bros way back in the day......)
CM3-another nice view on the B.C.R/P.G.E--found mountain stage site by the way-havn`t managed to get any music yet,but know where to look-nice one,cheers mate [tup]
AL-reliable as ever-a touchstone for `Our Place`-good stuff
Suprised that nobody has mentioned that the B.C.Rail Starlight dinner train stock now forms part of Ontario Northlands Polar Bear Express summer excursion service ( Cochrane-Moosonee & return )-usually 2x G.P38/2`s ,B-Unit , plus 12-18 cars,depending on demand.

Right-time to get cooking-lets keep it simple tonight:-
We have French Onion soup with garlic croutons in the soup kettle,
Smoked mackerel pate with wholemeal toast as a starter,
Atlantic Cod in beer batter ( for PETE & ROB )
Moules mariniere with a chilled chablis ( for TED,just in case he`s passing)
DOUGS special flame grilled king prawns
Lobster thermidor with all the trimmings for [4:-)][oX)]TOM + Carol
Cleddau Bass in Rum,Lime & Ginger sauce for LARS,AL,BK,CM3 & RUSS
all served with a full range of side dishes and extras.

Right,thats me done for tonight-big one tomorrow ( first showcase for Hoochie Coochie band -after only 2 rehearsals-could be fun ) as well as a full show for my own `Riptide` band-will try to look in afterwards but please accept apologies in advance if things are a touch garbled-have a good one guys,catch you all later,moonlight mile time for me
[4:-)][oX)]TOM-drinks for the boys before I go--be good y`all,nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:19 PM
Good Evening Gents!

Just a few words before checking out . . .

Pete Was wonderin' if we'd see you this day . . . we get spoiled having you as a regular, so when you miss a day, well it just isn't the same 'round here![tup]

I haven't a clue with regard to why the PGE/BCR decided to go with "Cariboo," however, I'll do a bit of checking around to see what I come up with.

Doug Great fini***o the series - enjoyed the tale, fer sure fer sure! The joke on the other hand - well aside from it being rather o-l-d, it's awfful as in b-a-d![swg]

Now, seems that we're mixing a bit of fantasy with real life concerning that train for the bar. Vito's "terms" are a bit demanding, to say the least - so perhaps we'd be wiser to steer clear of that source of funding. I would think with YOUR influence, perhaps we could cut a deal with your group for "free parking!"

Thanx for the round! Glad to see that the "sawbuck" was printed on both sides! Never know when it comes from "jokers" such as you![swg]

Pete Glad you enjoyed the BC Railways stuff - it was indeed a fascinating road and I'm glad to have had the chance to experience some of it. Regarding the Alaskan trip, you bet it is a fantastic trip coming up and it can't get here soon enough for us![tup]

Monty Python has always been a favorite of ours and they just "tickle" the heck out of the both of us. Great humor and absolutely silly stuff. Love it![tup] I've put a "reservation" in for the set on the URL . . . it will be a great addition to our DVD library.[swg]

Before I check out - try one of these Ballentine Ales and you tell US what you think of it![tup][swg]

I've been seeing Nick for the past couple of hours, peeking in at us. Hope he responds to the B'day request either here or by Email..

Oh yeah - for those who have requested selections for the movies at the Gazette they HAVE been added! Thanx .... [tup]

Leon the Night Man now has the bar!

Boris Ring the bell, and set 'em up Leon!

Nite![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:28 PM
Good evening Leon, I'll take that cad Nick so lovingly prepared for me, and heck I think some of the lobster thermador too,along with a Kieth's thank you.

Tom Good all round show on the BCR / PGE [tup][tup] I'm glad that it flicked a couple switches . Sunday would be fine for a layout tour for those interested,one last bar run couldn't hurt either [;)]. Sorry bout the type -o spelling's never been my strong suit, that and the one finger typing likley doesn't help either <grin> Heather and I live for the Brit comes over here too be it Python or others always catches us the right way. [swg]

BK Iknow that you didn't want a big deal made of it and Tom did say it well, but you have our condolances as well, I won't mention it again as per your wishes. Good to hear that you stuck to your guns as fasr as the dump truck full of money offer you received, I think you shall be very happy in your Alberta solitude.

I have concidered jumping over to Sir Tom's other thread, when I have popped over theinfo of coarse is grand,gets quite the numbetr of undesirables or at least did, reminds me off another passenger thread poor Tom started on the main "trains" forum last year , which I tried to help keep afloat way too many AH's there though and both Tom and I took a powder, I tend to be a once burned twice shy kind of person.


Pete & Nick Hey guys thanks for the [tup]'s on the Tumbler post. I too felt much sadness at those scrapping shots all the more so considering that those locamotives were not all that old being built in 1983-84.Nick I remember pretty much resitiong the parrot scene and many bits from the Life of Brian and the Holy Grail with my friends in highschool , that and bits from Alou Alou and Are you Being Served as well ( both are still rerunning here too BTW )

Lars What can I say, as BK put it, it sure sounds like a soap opera "As The Stmahce Turns " I should think. Are we sure that these imbeciles are even from this planet, next time they show up I'd look for a large silver disk parked in front of your house. I'm wondering when Allan Funt is going to jump out of the bushes and say's smile you're on candid camera , it just can't be real.Anyhow I'm glad to see that your sence of humour is at least somewhat still intact through all this.


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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:49 PM
Okay Part 2 somewhat boring but this is the BC Rail Loco roster as of 1993.

    10 slugs #401-410 built by BC Rail 1981-1987 ( from RS-2's )
    1 S-13 #502 built by MLW 1959
    25 RS-18's #601-613 built by MLW 1957-1966
    #617,626
    #627-630
    2 C420's #631-632 built by Alco 1966 ( Ex Lehigh and Hudson river )
    8 M420W's #640-647 built by MLW 1973
    8 M420B's #681-688 built by MLW 1973
    7 SD40-2's #736-742 built by EMD 1975 ( EX Kennecott Copper )
    8 SD40-2's #743-750 built by EMD 1978 ( Ex Onieda & Western )
    10 SD40-2's #751-762 built by GMD 1980
    5 SD40-2's #763-767 built by GMD 1985
    3 C425's #802,803 built by ALCO 1964 { EX Erie Lackawanna )
    #811
    11 C40-8M #4601-11 built by GE 1990 ( Part of CN order )

    Electric Locomotives

    7 GF6C's #6001-6007 Built by GMD 1983-1984

    Stored servicable

    7 M630's #700-704,713-716 built MLW 1963-1966




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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:04 AM
Okay third and final BC / PGE piece ( pictures only ) Oh Leon another Keith's too BTW please,and here's a fiver for the Tilla the Hun concider it a tip as it were. [tup]



PGE Mike 163 at Lillooet c1949 ( JF Gaarden photo )



PGE train #1 RDC's at Quesnel BC ( JF Gaarden photo )



BC RAIL RDC at North Vancouver c1978 ( JF Gaarden photo )



Finally BC Rail GF6C's pulling a coal train at Tumbler BC c1985 ( JF Gaarden photo )

enjoy Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 5:29 AM


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(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 05:22:57 (261) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 05:27:48 (261) Canadian Rwys #3 – BC Railways, Part I

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 07:30:52 (261) Streamliner #71 - Cariboo Dayliner

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:01:22 (261) ”Our” Place trainset & joke!

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:02:34 (261) PGE Cariboo Prospector info, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:14:15 (261) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 09:03:55 (261) more Acknowledgments, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 09:58:28 (262) Canadian Rwys #3 – BC Railways, Part II

(9) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 11:14:30 (262) for Tom

(10) BudKarr BK Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 11:37:20 (262) The BK Report!

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 11:47:29 (262) Inclusive Post & BC Rail Tumber Ridge, Part I

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 13:57:15 (262) The Lars Report ‘n then some!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 16:35:10 (262) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 16:40:04 (262) Birthday Watch List!

(15) barndad Doug Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 17:59:19 (262) True Tales, Part III, etc. & Joke

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 19:01:54 (262) B’day Special Notice!

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 20:40:28 (262) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18_ nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 21:17:34 (262) Nick at Nite! & Menu!

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 21:19:48 (262) Acknowledgments, etc

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 22:28:04 (262) Inclusive Post, etc.

(21) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 22:49:35 (262) BCR Loco Roster

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 00:04:34 (262) PGE/BCR Pix!

NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.

Coming Attractions:
Now with The Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 5th thru 11th: North to Alaska (1960) starring: John Wayne, Stewart Granger & Capucine – and – Lost in Alaska (1952) starring: Bud Abbott & Lou Costello. Short: A Pain in the Pullman (1936).


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:52 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #72

ZEPHYRETTE WP Trains 1-2 September 15, 1950 Ogden – Salt Lake City tri-weekly service 924 miles each way 928 miles 23 hours 15 minutes each way

375 RDC-2 Baggage 54- Revenue Seat Coach

376 RDC-2 Baggage 54- Revenue Seat Coach

The first coach section was fitted with more comfortable seats for any long distance travelers that might ride these trains instead of the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. All meals were at station stops and the trains were discontinued in 1962. The ZEPHYRETTES were the longest RDC runs in the world. The two RDC-2s were sold to the NP for further service. Since passes were not honored on the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR it was mostly WP crews that traveled the ZEPHYRETTE. Or in my case a railfan eho gave up a chance to ride the CZ and chose the ZEPHYRETTE instead.

TTFN AL
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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 7:06 AM
PS. Tom You think office work is a snap. I have seven beautiful young ladies surrounding me all in their twenties. I have had to get my prescription for glasses changed twice in one year never happened before or while drivinbg truck I never wore glasses. Only one of the young ladies is married and the office looks and smells like a florist shop with flowere deliveries to one or the other on a daily basis. Even many customers send flowers to the lithe young things. My only consolation is that I have a daughter older than all of them. Truckdriving was never like this.

Iknow off subject so I guess a round is on me today.

PPS anyone of the young ladies could be in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 7:28 AM
BIRTHDAY BASH - BIRTHDAY BASH!

As requested by Nick - this coming MONDAY will be his Birthday Bash and let's begin it at NOON (Central time)!

REMINDER: We still have two more Birthday's this month - Doug 'n Lars - so stay tuned for scheduling![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

BIRTHDAY BASH - BIRTHDAY BASH!
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:22 AM
Good Morning!

Off to a rather bland beginning to the end of the work week (for some). Things here in mid-Continent USA are looking fine – blue skies, temps again in the 50s, but we’ve got a front coming in that will put us in the “chill” for later this weekend. Petrol is on the rise – but I haven’t been up to “Collusion Corner” to see the prices. What’s new, eh[?]

Looks like our 1st Birthday Bash! is set for this Monday! So, plan to stop by from NOON on and wish our friend, Nick a [bday] befitting this maniac fine fellow from West Wales![swg] His actual Natal Day is Sunday – so, while viewing thePix for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! you may also want to pass along an appropriate greeting to Sir Nick![yeah]

Emails en route to Nick – Lars & Doug[tup]

To the acknowledgments:

nickinwestwales Nick
Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 21:17:34


Saw you lurking in the shadows for quite awhile – then your Post appears immediately on top of mine! Go figure ……[swg]

Anyway, great menu and a return to a degree of ‘normalcy’ at the bar![tup]

When my kids were much younger, I can still hear their laughter at Fawlty Towers which came on the tube in late afternoon. My oldest (late) son used to laugh so hard he’d turn beat red. This poor kid just couldn’t hide it when the teacher would say, “Who did that[?]” His red face would give it away every time![swg] Great stuff from those Brit humorists and to this day, I enjoy it – over ‘n over – ‘n over. The Monty Python VHS selections gather no dust ‘round here … [tup]

Concur with your assessment of the PGE/BCR and absolutely share your feelings about those dismantled engines. Such is “life,” eh[?]

As you have noticed by now – YOUR Birthday Bash! will be held this Monday – from NOON on. So, come prepared, Mate![tup]<grin>

Would have enjoyed listening to your music – hang in there, you’ll figure a way to get it to us.[tup] By the by, I like the name of your band – Riptide – does “it” for me! So, what’s the deal[?] Thought it broke up with the departure of two rather key members. Have we missed something[?]

That village at the end of my point-to-point RDC run on the Can-Am is simply “Can-Am Village!” Innovative, eh[?]

No need to be concerned about the sum and substance of your Friday night Post – stop by if you can find your way![swg]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 22:28:04 - 22:49:35 & 03 Mar 2006, 00:04:34


Good deal on the model RR “tour”! That will be fine indeed.

That’s an impressive lot of loco’s for the BCR. I loved that livery . . .

Great Pix too! Now, since you MISSED this past Sunday Photo Posting Day! (with a lame excuse at that!) – those Pix do NOT get you out of tomorrow’s event! Be there, or be square!<huh?>


passengerfan Al
Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 06:52:08 and 07:06:40


Enjoyed your Streamliner on the “Zephyrette.” My RDC book has a great chapter on those trains and some wonderful Pix as well. Highly recommended for anyone who “digs” RDCs![tup]


Really only yanking your “chain” regarding office work. There were times in my career, where that aspect of what came with the job really was much more difficult than life in the operational world. Now, when it came to the “scenery,” [yeah] those (ahem) distractions were . . . . well, they were . . . . distractions![swg]


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:29 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and some $ for the jukebox. PGE/BCR (RDCs and coal service,) Monty Python, and now Nick's birthday? Reminds me of one of my favorite lines from Bull Durham, "We're dealing with a lot of issues here."

Fawlty Towers - "Don't mention the war!" One of my favorite episodes was Basil the Rat.

Gasoline prices went up 23 cents yesterday - guess somebody sneezed somewhere and the oil futures market caught a cold. Anyway it's $2.39/gal this a.m. Winter is back here for awhile as I drove through rain, snog, snain and all snow on my way to work this a.m.

I enjoyed reading abt. the Zephyrette. I spent a lot of time in Nevada over the years and that's where I encountered the WP.

The California Zephyr was all that was listed for passenger service in 1969.

Here's some information from WP material in the vault.

Trains 17 and 18 - Calfornia Zephyr
Between Chicago and San Francisco

Vista dome club observation sleeper (3 double bedrooms, 1 drawing room)
Sleepers
6 dbr/5 compts.
10 rtte/6dbr
Chair cars
Vista dome cars
Vista dome buffet-club car
Dining car service (Dinner reservations)

As you have heard me say before, it's enough to make you weep.

The Trains issue re diners has a lot of good material in it; they gave, IMHO, a fair assessment of the problems Amtrak faces re food service in today's traveling climate.

I was interested to read the favorable comments on the NH diner, and also to see the Southern ad that featured Louis Price. He was killed in line of duty when the Crescent wrecked in Virginia. I made at least 35 trips on the Crescent and got to know him and many other crewmembers. I need to write up something abpout the Crescent as I haven't done a "notebook" piece in awhile. I did find some stuff I did on the George Washington, however. Question for our 'steamed proprietor - are we going to revisit the C&O anytime soon, or should I post this?

Stand back on SCL day as I have ton of material to post.

Have a good one - I'll try and check back later this p.m.

work safe

P.S. A couple of movie suggestions - how abt. "The Great Locomotive Chase" and for short subjects, "Flight of the Century" and "Rolling the Freight."
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:55 AM
Good Morning!

Just caught CM3s Post before checking out . . .

Sneet, snain and snot (snow, it's not!) What's in an acryonym, eh[?][swg]

The Tuesday Post will be made early enough so that your follow-on(s) will fit quite nicely! Thanx in advance . . . Looks as if these "Theme" days are catching on and it's good to have different folks dropping off their [2c] on the subject. Makes for an interesting and of course, and inclusive atmosphere.

'preciate the coins and round! Herr Wurltizer is looking like he needs to be fed, so Boris fetch some quarters out of Coal Scuttle and let's hear "City of New Orleans" by Willie Nelson - some "Canadian Railroad Trilogy" by Gordon Lightfoot and "Wabash Cannonball" by Roy Acuff. That should put us all in the proper frame of mind this fine day![swg]

Hate to tell you this, but C&O WAS visited, in depth, on 31 Jan 2006, page 234 http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=234&TOPIC_ID=35270

Check out the INDEX I recently Posted - or perhaps "bookmark" it - for future use.

So, "go" with what you "got!"[tup]

Thanx for the movie recommendations - the first is on my "list" - I'll look into the others. Did you check out today's SUMMARY, in particular the COMING ATTRACTIONS at the Gazette[?]

Hope to see ya later on . . .

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:18 PM
G'day Gents!

Rather quiet lately, so I thought I'd introduce a little something posted over on "my other thread." Twenty fingers Al served up the Chicago & Eastern Illinois (C&EI) as the "Theme" over there - a little known road (at least to me). Some research found quite a bit of "stuff" - here's a sample for your reading pleasure:

QUOTE: A Brief History of the Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad

The C&EI’s Chicago to Evansville line was created from the consolidation of three railroads, the earliest of these roads dating to January 2, 1849, when the Evansville and Illinois Railroad was chartered to operate between Evansville and Vincennes, IN. The three roads were:

Chicago, Danville & Vincennes (Chicago- Danville, November 1871)
Evansville, Terre Haute & Chicago (Danville-Terre Haute, October 1871)
Evansville & Terre Haute (Terre Haute- Evansville, November 1854).

Although through passenger service was provided over the three roads between Chicago and Evansville almost immediately, the process of consolidating the operations of the three roads was slow. The C&EI name dates to March 8, 1881, and from this point in time, the C&EI exercised some financial control over the Chicago-Evansville line. But, complete consolidation of the properties was not accomplished until July 20, 1911. Also, in the 1890s, the Chicago and Indiana Coal Railroad entered the C&EI fold, giving the C&EI a secondary mainline between LaCrosse, Indiana and Evansville. (A connection was made at Momence between the two mainlines.)

The basis for C&EI growth was coal. Coal was moved from mines in central Illinois and central western Indiana to Chicago. The C&EI’s growth was closely associated with the growth of Chicago. At the same time, the C&EI was developing itself as a bridge-route between the southern states and Chicago. In the longer run, as the demand for coal dwindled, bridge traffic would prove more economically important to the road.

In the early 1890s, the road began building south into southern Illinois. By 1900, the C&EI extended to Thebes, Illinois on the Mississippi River where a ferry connection with the Cotton Belt was begun. In 1904, the C&EI began operating Chicago-Saint Louis passenger service through trackage rights over the CCC&StL (NYC) from Findlay Jct., Illinois to Saint Louis.

Then, the C&EI and Cotton Belt spearheaded the construction of the Thebes Bridge. For the C&EI, the strategic fallout of this action was tremendous. The Frisco, threatened by the alliance of the C&EI and Cotton Belt, proceeded to take over the C&EI on October 1, 1902. This ended the expansion of the C&EI. The bridge itself was completed on April 1, 1905.

For the next eight years, the Frisco exploited the C&EI through exorbitant dividend demands, and the rental of C&EI equipment at below-market rates. When the Frisco entered bankruptcy in 1913, so did the C&EI. The C&EI physical plant was in poor condition following the Frisco. Frisco control also had another effect on the C&EI: it gave the C&EI steam power its handsome Frisco-like appearance.

During World War I, C&EI traffic boomed, but the C&EI remained in receivership until January 1, 1922. When, at last, the C&EI was returned to private hands, the secondary Indiana line was spun off as the Chicago, Attica & Southern. The ill-fated CA&S was entirely abandoned by 1946.

During the 1930s, the Chesapeake & Ohio began to buy up C&EI stock, never exercising any significant control over the road it seems. In any case, because of the depression, the C&EI again entered receivership in 1933, but was back in private hands again at the end of 1940. World War II brought prosperity to the property, and in the immediate war years the C&EI modernized rapidly. For example, the road was entirely dieselized in May 1950, making it the first dieselized road with more than 1000 miles of track. But, modernization was not enough to assure survival; with mergers taking place all around it, the C&EI found its traffic drying up. The C&EI needed to merge too.

Various merger offers were explored, and again, it was a southwest road that found itself threatened by these overtures. In 1961 the Missouri Pacific began secretly (and illegally) buying C&EI stock. When the Missouri Pacific requested ICC permission to takeover the C&EI, the federal agency turned a blind eye to the illegalities; approved the takeover of the C&EI with the stipulation that the Evansville line be sold to the L&N; and effectively deprived C&EI’s other stockholders of stock profits. In short, the Missouri Pacific got the C&EI for cheap.

On May 12, 1967, the Missouri Pacific assumed control of the C&EI. And, on June 6, 1969, the Louisville & Nashville purchased the 206-mile Woodland Junction- Evansville leg along with trackage rights from Woodland to Chicago. Then on October 15, 1976, what remained of the C&EI was merged into the Missouri Pacific.

Today, only a very small portion of the C&EI has been abandoned, that being primarily in Southern Illinois and Indiana. At the beginning of the 21st century the ex-C&EI trackage continues to be used by the Union Pacific (ex-Missouri Pacific) and CSX Transportation(ex-L&N). CP Rail also has trackage rights on the line with their acquisition of the Soo Line (former Milwaukee rights). Their Chicago to Louisville trains operate daily on the old C&EI line. The heavily used line from Chicago to Woodland Junction, nearly 50 trains per day travel on double track mainline, is well worth a visit by any railfan.

THE C&EI IN THE 1945-1955 ERA

PHYSICAL PLANT: Most rail was 115 lb. Secondary main lines were generally of 90 lb. weight. South of Salem, Illinois rail was 90 lb. Ballast was slag, crushed stone, or gravel for the 800 miles of mainline; cinders for the sidings and yards. Track was in top shape everywhere.

MAJOR YARDS: Yard Center (two humps), Dolton, IL; Brewer Yard, Danville, IL; Wansford Yard (new in 1950), Evansville, IN; Baker Yard, Terre Haute, IN; Alice Yard, Vincennes, IN; Villa Grove Yard, Villa Grove, IL; Mitchell Yard, East Saint Louis, IL; Salem Yard, Salem, IL.

SIGNALLING: Until 1952, all C&EI trains on the Chicago-Danville line were controlled by Miller Train Control. In fact, the C&EI pioneered this train control system. In 1947 CTC (centralized traffic control) was in operation between Clinton and Evansville, Indiana. The dispatcher’s office was in Danville. Improved manual block was in operation between Findlay Junction and Pana, Illinois with all turnouts interlocked and controlled from Findlay Junction.

MAIN SHOPS: The C&EI main shops were located in the eastern part of Danville, Illinois. They were medium sized but well-maintained and modern employing over 1200 workers from the Danville area. Most structures dated from the early 1900s, except the paint shop. Facilities were accessed via a transfer table. The C&EI built many of its own boxcars, hoppers and cabooses here. The diesel shop was one of the best in the country. Today the facility still serves railroad industry as a freight car building for Johnstown America.

ROUNDHOUSES: Small roundhouses were maintained at: Yard Center (Dolton, IL); Chicago Heights (CHTT); Villa Grove, IL; Salem, IL; Terre Haute, IN; and Evansville, IN. These roundhouses were used to make running repairs on switch engines, also for the inspection of road units.

TRAFFIC COAL: Bituminous coal was the largest volume item for the C&EI constituting about one-third of all traffic. Coal was the primary traffic in the Westville, Salem and Mt. Vernon, Illinois and the Clinton and Terre Haute, Indiana areas. A major portion of the coal generated by mines on the C&EI was destined for Chicago or the barge loading facility at Joppa, Illinois. At one time even the Elgin Joliet and Eastern had rights on the C&EI from Sidell and Westville to Chicago for hauling coal to the steel mills in the Chicago area.

INTERCHANGE: Because of the C&EI’s numerous connections, bridge traffic was a major source of revenue. More than half of all freight was for interchange, primarily the Louisville and Nashville in Evansville, the Missouri Pacific and western carriers in St. Louis, the Wabash in Danville and numerous carriers in the Chicago area through the Belt Yard and other connections. The IC, NYC, NKP, and PRR were major connections away from the larger cities.

from: http://www.ceihs.org/historians_main_1.html

Perhaps when Al returns, he'll provide his information on the C&EI as well![yeah]

Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:42 PM
G'day!

[wow] Appears as if we've had one of those droughts that are rather commonplace at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" Check the time between Posts . . .

If anyone is at all interested in the C&EI information - suggest you check out "my other thread." Twenty fingers Al has been busy over there with 4 Posts chock full of info .... seems to have forgotten about us here at the bar!<groan> Well, I surely can't put it all on poor old Twenty Fingers - we've got a "slug" of "Stools Members" who have somehow flown the coop ....

Later .... maybe!

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:20 PM
Well well well,Good evening one and all-How are we ?
Right then,I dont know about you lot ,but I`m just hitting my stride-anyone fancy a late one?.......I`m in just the right mood to play all night-you gotta feel sorry for the neighbours
but when the mood takes you....................

[4:-)][oX)]TOM-Apologise for the disturbance-promise not to let the side down-wouldn`t dream of interrupting the tri-part pool/poker/dominoes contest in the back room

Well please excuse my lack of manners in not acknowledging but to be brutally honest,I`m pi**ed as a rat and full of it after a splendidly successful evening out with the band(s)--first public performance with Hoochie Coochie Band an unqualified success and show with Riptide well up on the cutting edge. [^]---feeling very smug at this point in time-audience also very appreciative and Guvnors` of the bar gave us extra money and want us back soon-pix to follow--most likely best if I turn the machine off now-sleep well gents-take care-nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:40 PM
For our noble captain-some clarification-

O.K-I play in three different bands--Riptide ( with Missisnick as the singer )
The Hoochie Coochie Band-with Mojo singing
and a blues-rock band called `The Remnants`-this was formerly known as Silvertongue and is the one where the singer took a hike and went off to seek his fortune somewhere up the line leaving us with a load of dates to take care of........
nice one Charlie
right tjhats me done-night guys
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:59 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll have a bottomless draught to celebrate the arrival of Trains book relay, fresh from Nickland! The next round is mine, and I'll try not to spill any sudz on the pages.
Rob, good stuff on the BC rail roster and the pix were great!
Al, Enjoyed your Zephyrette post, and your "problems" with the visual distractions you have at work. Must be awful to be you [;)]
CM3, great WP info, and finally Tom, I enjoyed the C&EI info. I just happened to run across some related material today, which I will have to share another time. As for now, here's the start of another series from the trenches:

The Engineers’ Brotherhood by Charles F. Carter, May 1936 Railroad Stories

Several Michigan Central engineers were resting (i.e., packing pistons, valve stems, pumps, cleaning headlights and filling lamps, etc.,) during their layover in Marshall, Mich., 106 miles west of Detroit, one Sunday in April, 1863. After a while they gathered at a sunny work bench in the roundhouse to resume discussion of a matter which concerned them deeply; to wit, the constant encroachment of management on their pay and accustomed privileges. Seeing the master mechanic listening, and engineer named W.D. Robinson proposed that they go to his house where they could talk freely. Since conditions on the Michigan Central were typical it was decided to correspond with engineers on other roads entering Detroit with a view to forming an organization to protect mutual rights.

The result was a meeting in Detroit May 5, 1863. Three days later twelve engineers standing in a circle clasped hands and repeated the obligation drafted for “the Brotherhood of the Footboard,” a labor union which was a secret order. Its constitution, they announce, was based on the Golden Rule. By-laws were drafted to promote a high standard of ability as engineers and of character as men and thus entitled them to liberal compensation which they planned to insist upon by all legitimate means. The idea caught on so quickly that divisions were formed on all lines entering Detroit. These divisions elected delegates to a convention in that city Aug. 17, 1863, at which the first grand division was created and W.D. Robinson, “Father of the Brotherhood,” was elected first grand chief engineer. In the following year the name was changed to Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. Headquarters were established in Cleveland in 1870.

In November, 1873, the engineers found that all railroads in the country had combined to reduce their wages for the reason that earnings had allegedly declined. The real reason appeared to be a determination to cru***he Brotherhood. Members immediately got busy. One important road was induced to abandon the attack, others to postpone it. In spite of written agreement with the Brotherhood, the Pennsylvania Railroad and leased lines, including the “Panhandle,” announced a 10 per cent cut in pay on 24 hours’ notice. Quickly the engineers struck. Charles Wilson, grand chief engineer, declared the strike illegal, as the laws of the organization had not been complied with, and he denounced the organization in the newspapers.

A special convention was called in Cleveland, Feb. 24, 1874. Wilson’s resignation was demanded and given. In his place Peter M. Arthur, who had been an active and useful member of the Brotherhood since its inception, was elected grand chief engineer, a post which he held uninterruptedly until he dropped dead 29 years later while addressing a Winnipeg meeting. When the constitution was revised in 1904 the Golden Rule stayed put; for the Brotherhood had tried it and found it good.

By heeding another scriptural admonition about not letting the right hand know what the let hand does the Brotherhood was working out its destiny without attracting attention from those who judge by outward show. Not to put it too strong, the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers had undoubtedly done more for its members than any other labor union. While there may be workmen who earn a higher rate per hour while actively employed, the annual income of the average locomotive engineer is larger than that of practically any other man who works with both his hands and head.

The locomotive engineer holds his job for life or during good behavior, like justices of the U.S. Supreme Court. He can obtain leave of absence for almost any length of time and on returning he can begin exactly where he left off. This enviable position has been accomplished by methods which, judged by accepted ideas on union procedure, seem revolutionary.

The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers comprises 90 per cent of all the locomotive engineers on every railroad system of importance on the continent, under contracts governing rates, wages, hours and conditions of service. Rates and conditions specified in those contracts govern the movements of every train that turns a wheel in North America; for non-members get the benefit of everything gained by the Brotherhood. No other labor union ever accomplished so much because no other union ever had the courage to expel, without hesitation, members who violated its contract, or to revoke the charter of an entire sub-division as the local unions, or lodges, are called, for the same offense. The B.L.E. does that very thing. For instance, it revoked the charter of the sub-division in New York City and summarily expelled its 393 members for violating their contract by participating in a strike called by another labor organization on the subway and elevated lines in 1905.

Being neither omniscient nor omnipotent, the Brotherhood sometimes makes as unsatisfactory contract; but a bargain is a bargain in the eyes of the officers, even if it is a bad one, and its terms are scrupulously fulfilled. The Brotherhood does not allow its members to belong to any other labor organization and never engages in sympathetic strikes. Being thus free to attend to its own affairs in its own way and that way being always to concede as well as to insist on strict adherence to contracts, since 1888 the Brotherhood has had no strikes, save a few trifling affairs involving a few men.

While the B.L.E. could not have attained its enviable position without brilliant leadership, it is also true that no leaders, however able, could have achieved so much had not the membership been made up of exceptional men. Every engineer is a living exemplification of the survival of the fittest. No man can be an engineer who has not served a long apprenticeship as a fireman. It is an unusually lucky man who is “set up” after two years, while the average fireman serves four to five years and from that up to twelve years, or even more in exceptional cases.

Fireman themselves are picked men. Applicants must undergo a physical examination which weeds out weaklings; for it takes muscle and stamina to maintain one’s balance on a pitching, jerking steel deck while shoveling 15 to 25 tons of coal into a roaring furnace in 8 to 12 hours. The glare from the white-hot fire is so trying to the eyes that when foreman come up for a second physical examination no less than 17 per cent of them fail to qualify for promotion on account of defective vision. Records show that of each hundred men who start firing only 17 become engineers, and of these only six ever attain the highest goal of the engineer’s ambition, a passenger run. So much for physical selection which he must overcome.

The test for courage is no less severe. A man who has railroaded long enough to be promoted from the left to the right side of the cab knows he is assuming a responsibility greater than falls to the lot of any other class of men, not even accepting sea captains. Engineers are far from being blameworthy for all that goes wrong, but, at the same time, all the safeguards a railroad company can provide and all the care a dispatcher can exercise count for nothing if the man at the throttle fails. Upon his vigilance and care the safety of scores, perhaps of hundreds, of lives depends.

[:I] One day two cowboys were riding together out in the desert. The first cowboy had to take a leak, so they stopped by a huge cactus. While the second cowboy was waiting, he heard a scream and a gunshot from behind the cactus, He ran to help his friend and found him lying on the ground, bleeding from the ***. By his side was a dead rattlesnake. The first cowboy knew he had to act fast, and said "You wait here, and don't do any movin' around. I'm going to town for the doctor!"
He rode as fast as he could into town and pulled up at the doctor's office. Running inside, he grabbed the doctor and said "My friend needs you right away. He's been bitten by a rattlesnake!"
The doctor said "Mrs. Cartwright just went into labor, and I have to head out to their ranch to deliver the baby. But here's what you do. Get back to your friend as fast as you can. Make him comfortable. Then you have to find the bite wound, and suck all the venom out of it. Keep sucking until you're sure it's all out. Then, bandage him up and bring him here."
"Ok, Doc" said the cowboy, and rode away on his horse as fast as it could carry him. Presently he got back to his friend, dismounted, and approached him.
"What did the doctor say?" asked the first cowboy.
"He said you're gonna die." [:I]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, March 3, 2006 10:40 PM
Good evening Sir Tom,slow today I see that you let Leon go home early,that's okau Ruthy and I are sharing the last of the pizza and I'll help her close it down once the last of the backroom revellers are done for the evening.

Tom Interesting info on the CE&I,again not a road I can say i new much of, other than seeing the odd covered hopper or boxcar roll by on a CN train. Looks as though the old UP has been getting away with creative finacing of mergers even that far back / albeit that the MP was mostly the merger road involved at the time, I'm sure that UP had some money in there some where as well.[;)] slowest I've seen around here in a long time oh well, chock it up to the weather I suppose,I had to deal with some "slain" and "snog" on my drive in today as well.You would have loved yesterday here we had about 3" of crap snow dumped on us,cold enough to freeze the undercarriage off a brass primate today as well.[:0][xx(]

One question, can you say" Pain in the Pullman" on a public forum such as this [?][:D][;)]

Not to worry I won't need another mental health day on sunday some pictures will be forth comming.[;)]

CM3 Interesting Zepher info, between yoursself and good old 20 fingers we are well and truly set up with the passenger train info [tup]

Al Nice Zepherette piece.[^] I can now tell why you have not yet retired[;)][:I] You lickey dog you. [tup][tup]

Doug Nice piece on the "Brohterhood" the joke well[:(][V] Old and well...bad. LOL a good 4 on the groanameter !

Nick Glad that the concerts went well, also glad given your state when you came in that you weren't slicing and dicing the steaks in the kitchen[:0][B)][xx(] An early [bday] to you,hopefuly I can hump in on the party on Monday[tup] if not don't do anything that I wouldn't....BTW that gives you allot of leyway[:0][:p][:D]

Later Rob
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:05 PM
Well a little bit of filler for this evening. Another installment to the info roster as it were.

CLASSIC DIESEL'S #8 THE CF7

The CF7

At the end of the 1960's the ATSF found itself with several hundred F7 frieght diesels that were out of a job. They had been bumped from mainline frieght duties by high horse power hood units , and their carbody configuration made them unsuitable for the branchline and local duties where they were needed. Santa Fe could not afford to to buy several hundred new units for this type of work and the F7's mechanically still had many usefull years left in them. So the Sante Fe decided to convert them ( F7's ) to hood units.Two factors influenced this decision : 1) The desire to keep the shop at Clerburne Tx busy , 2) The financial advantage of a capitol rebuilding program, whick let them treat the rebuilt locomotives as new, therefore enabling them to depreciate their value over a period of several years.

The rebuilding process was complicated by the basic difference between cab units,such as the F7, and a hood unit. A hood unit is essentially a flat frame carrying a diesel engine,and a generator and controls, with sheet metal hoods protecting them and the crew from the weather. A cab unit was designed so that the sides carry part of the weight of the machinery. Remove the sides and the frame will sag. Fabricating new frames was a major part of the conversion process from F7 to CF7 .

At first glance, the CF7 looks like a GP7 that has had it's short hood lowered.It differs from a GP7 in having a shorter , short hood and a longer cab ; the side members of the frame are also quite different. Most of the CF7's were built with a curved cab roof ; the last 54 had an angled cab roof that can accomodate a roof mounted air conditioner.Mechanically the CF7's are tthe same as the GP7 1500hp 567prime mover and the assosiated gen set. All refurbished as needed, but the original as installed powerplant from their F7 days.

Sante Fe built 233 CF7's between 1970 and 1978. In the early 80's the road began to phase them out and discovered a ready market for them in the various short lines and regional railroads. Many are onto their third and forth owners, in may cases running with thier purcgasers longer than with their builder. The CF7 was likely one of the most ambitious rebuilding schemes attempted by a class one. eclipsd only by some of the switcher rebuilds and GP7 and 9 conversions done by the UP and ICG to name just two.



CF7 working for a shortline dinner train in Florida.

Enjoy Rob

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