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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:44 PM
G'day!

Somewhat quiet in here today, but thanx to BK we've had some conversation. Appreciate your Epistle. [tup][swg]

BK I think it is time to wind up the pep talk. While it is much appreciated and I know where you are coming from, there are those 'round here who have thinner skins than others. So, le'ts just put that stuff on the back burner, if you please.

Can't imagine uprooting again, and especially at the stage of life I'm in, for new opportunties. Just not at all in the cards for me. However, I thank you very much for what you provided in greater detail within your last Email.

My energy level is directly tied to my interest level. No interest, no energy! Kinda works that way with people as well - no respect, no interaction. Plain and simple kinda guy that I am. [swg] One aspect of this stage of my life that I dearly love is knowing that I can come and go as I please, when I please and with whom I please. Couldn't really do that during my career years, for I was immersed in it - long days and weeks. When home however, a visitor would have never known - NEVER - what I did for a living. Nothing on the walls, in frames or anywhere else to make the connection.

Today, there are "I love me walls" throughout the house, as my bride thinks it is good to display these things of days gone by. They too will be removed, as sufficient time has elapsed for new remembrances - things like TRAINS! [swg]

Really appreciate your support, BK and may I say, you have come a long, long way since we first "met." If one didn't know better, they would have you painted as a real train nut for sure, or at least someone in the "in crowd." [tup]

Hope your 2006 is as happy and rewarding as you will it.

Hey guys! Remember - we are doing ENCORE! Posts - so when you see the word - keep in mind, it has been Posted before! [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:49 PM
G'day Gents!

Here's something you may find of interest, which will be Posted again next week:

The Top 15 Contributors to ”Our” Place through Page 200:
(figures in brackets denote number at Page 100)

1st Theodorebear Ted 363 [199] (includes previous cyber names used at ”Our” Place)
2nd trolleyboy Rob 359 [155]
3rd nickinwestwales Nick 264 [120]
4th passengerfan Al 261 [146]
5th West Coast S Dave 120 [71]
6th Gunns Kevin 116 [89]
7th Trainnut484 Russell 115 [83]
8th coalminer3 CM3 103 [37]
9th earlydiesels Dan 100 [73]
10th pwolfe Pete 100 [32]
11th barndad Doug 95 [33]
12th wrwatkins *** 73 [58]
13th CFournier 71 [61]
14th BudKarr 46
15th ftwNSengineer P 37

Proprietor: 1593 [789]

Thanx to all for making this the place to be for Classic Trains information, conversation and good times! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:59 PM
Good Afternoon!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .


Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first Posted on page 127)

Baltimore & Ohio (B&O)

Headquarters: Baltimore, MD

Mileage in 1950: 10,000

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 491

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 59,152 Passenger cars – 654

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City, NJ (New York)-Baltimore, MD-Pittsburgh, PA-Chicago
Washington, DC-Point of Rocks, MD
Cumberland, MD-Cincinnati, OH-St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI-Toledo, OH-Cincinnati
Hamilton, OH-Beardstown, IL
Pittsburgh-Buffalo & Rochester, NY
Akron-Cleveland, OH
Midland City, OH-Columbus, OH-Pittsburgh

Passenger trains of note:

Ambassador (Baltimore-Detroit)
Capitol Limited (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)
Cincinnatian (Detroit-Cincinnati; later, Baltimore-Washington-Cincinnati)
Columbian (Washington-Chicago)
Diplomat (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Metropolitan Special (Washington-St. Louis)
National Limited (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Royal Blue (Jersey City-Washington)
Shenandoah (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:11 PM
Hello Tom and gang. I'll have a Miller Lite please. Just checking in to say I'm still alive an' kickin' [:D] This semester is a keeping me hoppin', and even have some stuff to work on from home during the holiday break. I've been peeking in from time to time trying to catch up with the mustard here since my last visit, and It might take a few posts to do so. I thought Tom would list me under the MIA section in the MENTOR VILLAGE paper [:(] It's nice to see the nostalgia pieces back.

Pete, I see you lurking around here. Sorry that you'll be leaving us. Our loss is Britain's gain. I always enjoyed your thoughtful and insightful posts.

I'm a little confused about CM3's permanent stool induction [%-)]. I thought that happened long time ago. If it's now, congratulations CM3!

Ted, glad to see you're on the track to recovery.

Congrats to you, Doug, on winning the 200th page contest

That's about it for now. I'll skin back a few or so pages to get up to speed.

Take care,

Russell



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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:34 PM
Hello again Tom and all. Another Miller Lite please and a round of everyone's favorite poison on me. [#offtopic] here. Even though Christmas has come and gone, I thought I would put in this little parody diddie that I've had for a very long time.

This is sung to "We Three Kings of Orient Are.."

"We three clods from Omaha are
Spending Christmas Eve in a car
Drinking, drinking, glasses clinking
Who needs a lousy bar?

Ohh...
Drink to Charlie Drink to Paul
Drink to friends we can't recall
Swerving speeding, signs unheeding
Drink to anything at all

We three clods are feeling no pain
Drunk as skunks with booze on the brain
Senses losing, 'Til we're cruising
Into a wrong way lane


Ohh...
Drink to Melvin. Drink to Fred
Drink to those two trucks ahead
Headlights flashing
Screeching, crashing
Drink till they pronounce us dead

Now before anyone accuses me of promoting drinking and driving, which I'm not, this is just a parody that shoudn't be taken seriously.

I guess that can be called as a disclaimer

Russell
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:57 PM
Well Hello Again, Trainnut484 Russell - it would seem that the mere mention of placing you into the Legion of the Lost somehow gets your receptors working! [swg]

Good to have you back with us - and we all appreciate the rounds! [tup] Separates the men from the boyz, so to speak. Kinda like in a real bar, eh [?]

Here's the inside scoop regarding the Posts you are viewing this week - they are, for the most part - RERUNS! <yup} just look for the word, ENCORE! and it should be a dead giveaway! [swg] CM3 has been congratulated so many times for his November 2nd induction into the Permanent Order of the Stools that he must be really wondering about just what kind of people he is associating with! [swg] I checked back to see just how many guys had congratulated him more than once - and it's simply amazing! [swg] Reading - something we all should take a bit of time and attention with, wouldn't you agree [?] [swg]

My guess is that the Chiefs are really desperate for all kinds of help to get into the playoffs. That, along with perhaps the finale for the coach makes for a sad close to what promised to be a fantastic year. Just never can tell in the NFL.

That's quite a "sentimental" bit of prose you put before us. Hmmmmm, with a few adjustments, we could make that drinking aboard a train - with a bedroom in reserve - so that all revelry would most definitely be safe 'n sound, with others doing the "driving" and the revelers left to revel! [swg]

Always glad to "see" you, but also sorry that the Emails either haven't gotten through or ....... Anyway, you'll have to let me know if you want to be placed back on the distribution list. There's much to catch up on, as always, 'round this bar 'n grill. [tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of a winter ale if you have one please.

TED I believe the tradition of giving gifts on the day after Christmas was started in Medeval times. When Royalty gave boxed gifts to their workers, it is said that this was taken up by others to reward their workers for a years good service. Needless to say this practice had long since finished by the time I had started work[sigh].Perhaps though this was changed into the present Bank-Holiday we have in the U.K.

BK. Thanks for the New Year wishes look forward to your posts in the New Year[tup].

Good to see you RUSSELL. [tup]. Thanks for the kind words. It sould be a fairly short visit to the old land( if I dont succumb to severe Batham,s intake[;)]) I am hoping to post some photos and be able to call in the bar.If the Chiefs do make the play-offs no doubt the bride will insist on finding a all night bar to watch them[yeah].Liked the poem[tup].

TOM Glad ROB won the naming contest and the jar wont be called a Pete.

Thanks for the Nostalgia and The Gazette wonderful [tup]I wonder whatever happened to the Ladies of Perpetual Motion and Knitting Circle did Holga and Helga frighten them off[?][:-,]

I noticed that I had 100 posts on the 200th page[wow]

I attempted a encore but failed miserably[D)] I'll get the bride to put me right.
Thanks for the E-Mail[tup]. PETE.
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:48 PM
Hello Tom and all again. Another Miller Lite and a round of preferred poison on me.

Doug, nice info on the Rail Classics articles. The one on cabooses was interesting. On the Santa Fe, they were referred to as waycars. In the movie “Danger Lights,” you can see a wrecking crane in action. For those who don’t know what movie I’m referring to, “Danger Lights” features live steam and actual sounds of the Milwaukee Road. Nothing “studio” produced. BTW the story is about a young crewman who was fired from another part of the road, and then gets reinstated, with seniority intact, by the roundhouse super, who plans to marry a beautiful young girl, but the young crewman falls in love with her too. I don’t want to give the farm away on this movie, but if y’all get a chance to see it, you won’t be disappointed.

Pete, how long are you going to be in your home land?

Tom, seems like my little diddie has quirked your interest in so to modify it. Hmmmm…a train and a bedroom. Mayyyybe there is or isn’t something to that. Just a parody that is not to be taken seriously. There are more things in life to worry about, don’t ya agree?

Gotta go for now,

Russell
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Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:16 PM
Hi Tom

Just a quick one to answer RUSSELL.

I am going for 3 weeks.

" Danger Lights" sounds a great movie in which year was it made [?] PETE>
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:05 PM
Hi again Tom and th' gang, I'll have a coca-cola for now, maybe even to go, because I'm just stepping in to answer Pete's question.

Danger Lights is a 1930 B/W movie filmed in Miles City, Montana and Chicago, Illinois. It features live steam action of the Milwaukee Railroad. The sound is natural and not from any special effects studio. You can see some 4-6-2s, 4-6-4s, and 2-8-2s. It also features a tug of war between two whistle screaming, bell clanging, and drivers spinning steamers (I would pay to see THAT at an IMAX theatre). Of course there's the human side of the story of two men fighting for the love of a woman.

VHS copies of the movie can be found online. Just to go google.com and type in Danger Lights. I taped my copy from one of the classic movie channels on cable years and years ago. Here's a link that has the names of the cast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Lights

Take care,

Russell

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:41 PM
Evenin' Gents,

Let me chime in here with a Hollywood train flick recommendation: Narrow Margin (1990) with Gene Hackman and Anne Archer.

Unlike so many of Hollywood's efforts to screw up the works, this one has some extremely accurate shots of VIA Rail's "Canadian" on its westbound trip to Vancouver, BC throught he Canadian Rockies. Well worth viewing and one of my all time favorites. (It helps of course to like Gene Hackman, which we do 'round here ... [swg])

Check out this URL for additional info: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0100224/

Pete Email received - thanx! New list to be Posted in the 'morrow. [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:08 PM
Good Night All!

Leon the Night Man has the bar 'til closing.

Pete My apologies, Mate! Appears as if I neglected to acknowledge your late night Post from last evening! [tdn] My regrets!

Regarding that photo - yes, it is a keeper. I don't have very much left from childhood - actually hardly a thing. Long story, for another place 'n time, certainly not here in the Ether. Nonetheless, having a photo with me and Jack Dempsey AND Casey Stengel of baseball fame do bring back some memories.

Rates at the Second National Bank of Mentor Village are just a tad different from what one would find at a "conventional" bank. You see, Vito the Hit! is the Bank President, CEO and HMWIC (head man what's in charge). Need I elaborate [?] [swg]

Boris Ring the bell! Drinks on me - Leon serve 'em what they want!

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:04 PM
Good evening Tom and the gang. I.ve been having fun with the forum the last two days(daze) at the moment it won't let me open pages 203 or 204. So I'll limit respnces etc to the previous info and try again later. I also have noticed that I was left signed on even though I had logged out. Wierd and frustrating.

Tom I'll grab a Keiths while I attempt this communication( my next attempt may be via smoke signals. Loved your last three encores of B&O,D&H & the UP. I assume that the traffic here has been slow but there does seem to be some substance I just can't read it yet [banghead]

Nice to see *** % dan back breif or not still nice to hear from them.

dan We had a silmilarly quiet xmas ourselves. My Mom and dad are away in Colorado so we spent most of xmas with Heather's aunt from Toronto and her parents. all of us seem to have finally persudaed aunt Betty to retire and move to Brantford ( she's 78 and needs to retire ). I agree with the thought that a quiet reflective Christmas was far preferable to the usual run and go type Holiday's that we normally have.

Mike Nice url's I enjoyed them. I think that Pete's description of boxing day is as close to the mark as you will get.

Nick Good to hear that you survibved the season,as to theHoliday staff party, I have brought in some extra strenght tranquilizers and chain restraints for the [alien] ( just in case he finds the spiked punch ) [:O] Also H&H and their teutonic catering service have graciously offered to help with a new years party. i figure that this way our girls can let their hair down and enjoy themselves. Also having H&H around can and wil augment the security,so along with the good inspector and Mr Doyle and leon wwe should be well bounced for the evening.

Ted Glad to hear that you survived the holiday's as well. Again I agree with youi that a low profile quiet seson is the way to go fer sure.

Now to answer your question on the PCC's. All the cars i have operated and all the non operable one's at the museum do not have the hidden reverser you spoke of. If one misses a switch you can back them up like any other streetcar. On the floor to the right of the operator is a gear shifter. it's a three positon forward reverse and neutral. If one split the overhead switch ( alot of streetrailways used powered overhead frogs above switches in the street ) you would have to get out and drop the pole and then rewwire where you would need it. If this didn;t answer your specific question let me know I can dig further.

dan I alway's liked white Christmas as well. I actually bought Heather a copy of it and the Bells of St Mary's, (two of her favourites). We watch them both at least once over the holidays. I often thought that it was strange to see a ATSF train from Florida as well.Me thinks that the "holleywierd" types shot those bits in California and figured that no one would notice or care.Only we rail buffs would get that I suppose. Od coarse today hollywood hires people to make sure that just those type of details are correct. Difference 50 years makes I suppose.


Well folks I'm going to attempt to read the two errant pages again, and hopefully i'll check in a bit later.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:35 PM
Hello Leon your looking rather bored this evening. I finally managed to read 203 and 204 ( darn internal server problems [censored][banghead] )

Tom I thank you for picking the "coal scuttle " heers a sock of loonies for it, in commemeration of this fine event and Leon a round of everyones fav poison as well.
Nice movie url's that you and Russell provided as well,movies about trains are always top of my list as well.[tup]

Russ Good to see you back , and in a flurry of activity at that. That particular drinking bit would fit well into the MADD groups anti drinking and driving campains, the less tounge and cheeck and politically correct the better I figure. I know that at least here in Ontario, the OPP takes a very dim view of those who wi***o partake and drive

BK & Pete happy (t)rails, hope you guys have a wonderfull time on your trips. And a very happy New Years to the both of you as well.

Tom The gazzette is still pure gold [tup] I think I pick up more info every time i read it. You never know if the sunday posting days(ze) get old we might think of doing a gazzette sunday once in a while . Just a random thought ( verbal diarrea if you will )


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:52 PM
A Classic juice ENCORE to wind out the day !

Also Leon another round for the house , this first appeared way back on page 162. Enjoy
Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


Okay Classic Juice #10

The changes in car design and crewing and the comming of the safety car'

A lot of you will remember the Saftey car or the Birney from your own cities systems. Next to the Witt Birney's were likely the most common streetcar type out there, with most major and alot of the minor systems operating them,they came in two main forms the single or double truck models. They were designed for singleman operation as well, hence the safety car moniker.

First a bit of run up back history to the avant of the one man car.

To the uninitiated,the general appearance of trolley'sappearse tio have chaged little before the 1930's. One however can find many subtle changes beginning in the 20's. Monitor roofs , with their small openable clerestry windows, gave way to the arched roof with ventilators around 1910. Rear plateforms were enlarged for the new Pay as you enter PAYE fare system , and doors started to appear more commonly in the centre when Paye as you pass started with the Witt cars.

More common use of bright colours, and the abandonment of fancy lettering and striping in the 20's also occured. Likley the biggest change was construction methods, in the 20's steel replaced wood as the construction medium. At the turn of the century (approx 1906 ) steel was used as an underframe, with a wood body previous to that cars were generally all wood. The first NA manufacturer tp do steel bodies was the pressed steel company of Pittsburgh which delivered it's first all steel cars to Montreal in 1907.

Most companies however beleaved that heavier wood bodied cars ( steel underframe ) gave a smoother ride,some going even as far as to insist on concrete floors for extra added stability ! Nevertheless steel offered more strength ,was less fragile for external panel use, and could be more easily repaired with rivetting or welding. It was also more fireproof and held together better under vibration. As steel's advantages became better known and hardwoods became more scarce,the tide of opinion changed and by 1912 the star of the changeover took place. Wood interiors and wood framed canvas covered roofs remained in vogue for many years yet but after 1917 the all wood car was obsolete.

While double truck cars became increasingly more popular after the turn of the century ,single truck trams continued to be built to the 1930's. Because they were shorter and lighter, and took up less street space,required less maintenance and consumed less energy.They were better suited to single man pay as you pass operations as well for smaller cities and less travelled routes. Money savings were the prime motivation in the 30's to single man cars as well.

The unions of coarse were not happy with the loss off two man crewing. The main crux was what if the motorman passes out ot dies with no conductor who would save the passengers, this is a death trap etc etc. Enter the safety car ( and better motorman wages/ sorry conductors the union got less jobs but, more money for the remaining members )

Significant technical improvements / advances happen just prior to WW1 making 1 man operation safe and practical. With the "safety cars " the first was built by St louis car in 1913 for the illinois traction ( later terminal , thought you would like that Tom ). It featured a combination brake,sand and door mechanism plus a deadmans handle. The latter became the main feature to overcome the objections to one man operation should the operator become unconscious or dead.The handle has to remain depressed,otherwise the brakes and would automatically apply amd the doors would be made openable only by hand. Doors could not be openned while the car was moving nor could the car move if the doors were open. Hence the "safety car" name.

This system was designed by J.M. Boisenbury ( Illinois Traction's superintendant of motive power ) he worked in conjunction with westinghouse. A foot positioned deadman's button which had to be stood on at all times was also developed at this time.( PCC's use these )

Safety cars of all shapes and sizes were built to double and single truck models.The most popular was the Birney designed by Charles O. Birney of Stone & Webster. his car standarized on a 28 foot 16,000 pound car first produced by Brill in 1916 ( The KW picture I posted on Sunday ) This was a rougyh riding but cheap to produce car essentilally the model T of the transportion systems.They were no frills minimal heating with rataan seats. The latter double truck models rode better but were still rough 47 feet long 40,000 pounds. The later still witt's and PCC's are also safety cars in that their safety appliances are the same ( deadman handle on the Witt , floor pedal on the PCC ) they were just more civilized to the ride characteristcs and of coarse they wer faster.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:31 AM


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Good Morning! Join us in a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our specially prepared <light> breakfasts! [tup] [swg]

ENCORE! Daily Wisdom:

A chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of a blockhead.


Info for the Day:

(1) repeatBirthday Bash for CM3 set for Friday, January 6th!

(2) repeatI suspect this week will be rather light insofar as patrons are concerned, so many of my Posts will be ENCORE! pieces. Enjoy! For barndad Doug – passengerfan Al and trolleyboy Rob recommend you go with ENCORE! pieces and “save” your newer work until January 2nd.

(3) repeatThe next Sunday Photo Posting Day! is January 8th.

(4) The name for the Pickled Pig’s Feet Jar holding the quarters for our Juke, Herr Wurlitzer is now: Coal Scuttle – a submission by trolleyboy Rob! [swg]

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 01:12:02 (202) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 01:19:13 (203) ENCORE! Mentor Village Gazette #1

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 01:30:10 (203) The Winnah is ….

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 06:45:05 (203) Catch up and then some!

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 07:15:08 (203) etc.

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 07:21:27 (203) etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 09:03:45 (203) Acknowledgment, etc.

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 09:54:53 (203) Epistle!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 12:19:16 (203) Birthday Watch List!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 12:27:30 (203) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – AT&SF

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 12:44:27 (203) reply to: BudKarr, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 14:49:55 (203) Top 15 Contributors to page 200

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 14:59:58 (203) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – B&O

(14) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 15:11:14 (203) Inclusive Post from the Land of the Lost!

(15) Trainnut484
Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 15:34:33 (203) and MORE!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 15:57:50 (203) reply to Trainnut484

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 16:28:2 (203) Inclusive Post!

(18) pwolfe Pete Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 17:16:30 (203) for: Russell

(19) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 18:05:52 (203) for: Pete

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 19:41:21 (203) Train flick

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 22:08:00 (204) Nite![zzz]

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 23:04:39 (204) Inclusive Post, etc.

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 23:35:25 (204) More Inclusive Post!

(24) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 27 Dec 2005, 23:52:37 (204) ENCORE! Classic Juice #10

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:52 AM
Good Mornin' Rob!

Heard some rattling 'round down here and thought it was Leon closin' up. Nice to see ya again, Mate! [tup][tup] Happy to know that your Christmas turned out well - quiet isn't all that bad in my opinion [2c]. [swg]

Youve outdone yourself this time - quite a bit to mull over and I'd rather not save it up for later - ya know what happens then, eh [?] <grin> Leaving things to memory can be dangerous to one's self esteem. [;)]

Haven't a clue with regard to why you were prevented from viewing a couple of pages here on the thread. There are so many "different" twists to the way these Forums operate - perhaps someone will publish a "Forums for Dummies" book, for there are times I surely could use it! Best anyone can do is (1) recognize there is an issue and (2) deal with it - as you did. [tup]

Actually the interaction has been a bit more active than I had predicted, especially with the return of a couple of guys (BK - Russell and Dan) to make things a bit more interesting. However, I think we should maintain our ENCORE! approach for the remainder of the week - what's the harm [?} Some of those Posts are more than worthwhile for reproducing. Aside from the ones I have been Posing, you are the first to go with an ENCORE! - thanx for helping to maintain the "flow!" [tup][tup]

I concur that it's nice to see the "missing" again, however, when it comes to "hit 'n run" Posting - no thanx and not really welcome. Ain't goin' down that road again. If someone really wanted to communicate, there's also Email which in one particular case was totally blown off for months. Nah, I know when it's time to pull the plug - no reciprocity - no moi.

Thought you'd be pleased about Coal Scuttle and I'll send Boris over to the Second National Bank of Mentor Village when the open up today to exchange those Loonies for some U.S. quarters. I wonder what kind of "fee" Vito the Hit - Bank President, CEO and HMWIC (head man what's in charge) will apply to the exchange rate [?] Probably someone's first born. [swg] Thanx for the "investment." [tup]

So, you like that newspaper of ours, eh [?] As you may have noticed, I have asked - several times - for some articles for publication. Just a couple of paragraphs, and I'll do the rest. Takes quite a bit of thinking to put one of those issues together - something my aging grey matter seems to "fight" more and more these days (daze)! [swg] Just ship off an Email with something creative and I'll add it to the list of "things" for the next edition.

Not sure that Sunday is a good idea, especially given the very light turnout we get. Consider that we aren't even seeing "attaboys" anymore on Sunday - just the few who Post the Pix. So, the effort put into making up the Gazette might be better served with a during the week issue. Appreciate the input though - something I wi***he other guys would offer as well. [tup]

No joke, check out that flick I recommended - Narrow Margin (1990) - it's a thriller-diller and has some outstanding scenery and train shots, throughout. Well worth it! [tup]

Okay - time to resume what I was doing! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by jlampke on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:14 AM
Evenin' Leon. Quiet this time of the night....... I'll take a double Absolute & grapefruit juice please, and
how about some $$ for Herr Wurlitzer. Lunatic Fringe (Red Rider), Benny & the Jets (Elton John),
Lazy (Deep Purple), Dream Weaver (Gary Wright) & Fly Like an Eagle (Steve Miller) are all old favorites of mine. Tom and Rob have come & gone while I was trying to catch up. I generally hang out with a pretty conservative crowd, as most of the patrons of Our Place seem to be. Being from and calling Oregon home, I know a "Tree Hugger" or two... Though I don't always see eye to eye with the "Environmental ***", as I Like call them. Anyway, they would be appalled at the growing pile of paper on my desk as I print out and try to play catch-up here...... Holy Smokes!!

Real quick though, for Pete, USNS stands for United States Naval Ship. That is how the ships of the Military Sealift Command (MSC) are designated. It's the logistics branch of the Navy.
We operate the unrep ships; oilers (tankers), fast combat support, ammunition, and the hospital ships, range instrumentation (missile tracking), etc.. Basically, any US Naval ship that isn't actually a combatant is operated by MSC. It keeps me off the streets and out of trouble most of the time. Very sorry for the VERY late reply.

Well, I just wanted to drop in and say hi. I hope to be fully caught up by tomorrow and able to contribute in some small though not comparatively knowledgeable way...

The tree and the train are nice touches to Our Place.

A late Merry Christmas and Happy New Year each of you.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:14 AM
Hey Tom just came back in for a quick nite cap. No Boris not yours. <errggh> You let Vito be the head man at the bank? [:O] I wouldn't want to default on one of them there loans, no sir no concrete galoshes for me. I think that as long as these internal attp 5000 errors keep popping up I will keep to my already prepared stuff, hopefully the lag on the forum's due to the extra useage over the holidays. the only other time I have had this many problems with it was back in July when all the kids were rattling about the various Kalmbach forums.

I'm off to slumberland meeslf [zzz] a clod has taken root and has lessoned my sleep as of late [xx(]Do you have any suggestions for who to write sadi firums for dummies book [?] Certainly not this cat,I already have too much on my plate... maybe Leon hmmmm?

I'm out nite all

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Posted by rrandb on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:56 AM
What the deal. Your posting is too long to read from begining to end as the site seems to be going slower and ssslllooowwweeerrrr??? Make mine a vigin mary heavy on the tabasco.. ENJOY [^]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:14 AM
For: rrandb

Not a good way to enter a site, my friend. Perhaps you should start at page one - check out what has been said. Then go the last 10 pages or so, read through them to get the gist of the way we operate 'round here.

Slowness on the Forums has more to do with the number of photographs and graphics being downloaded at the time one checks in along with whatever the condition of one's computer. Many variables - too many in fact for me to list.

At the time you checked in, this bar 'n grill was CLOSED. Sorry.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:07 AM
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......

2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. Dec 28th):

February 2nd (Kevin – 49)***
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 3rd (John) – 46 Recently added!
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65)***
July 25th (Chris - 51)***
July 30th (Russell – 34)
August 11th (Pete – 54 Just added!
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)
October 18th (BK – 65)Recently added!
December 29th (CM3 – 59) Next up! Friday, January 6th!!

Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).
Corrections too!

***Names of those in The Legion of the Lost will be dropped in 2006.

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!




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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:27 AM
Good Morning!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: (first Posted on page 128)

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific (CM&StP) – The Milwaukee Road

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage: 1950: 10,664

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 803
Electric: 93

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 42.325
Passenger: 588

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Minneapolis via Milwaukee and Columbus, WI
New Lisbon-Woodruff, WI
Minneapolis-Seattle & Tacoma via Spokane, WA
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Calmar, IA via Austin, MN
La Crescent, MN-Wessington Springs, SD
Rondout, IL (Chicago)-Madison, WI
Watertown, WI-Rapid City, SD
Chicago-Omaha
Manilla, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Marion-Ottumwa, IA
Sturtevant, WI-Kansas City
La Crosse, WI-Sabula, IA
Des Moines-Spencer, IA
Chicago-Terre Haute, IN
Milwaukee-Ontonagon, MI via Green Bay, WI

Passenger trains of note:

Afternoon Hiawatha (Chicago-Milwaukee-St. Paul & Minneapolis)
Arrow (Chicago-Omaha & Sioux Falls)
Chippewa-Hiawatha (Chicago-Channing, MI)
Copper Country Limited (Chicago-Green Bay-Calumet, MI jointly with DSS&A railroad)
Midwest Hiawatha (Chicago-Omaha & Sioux Falls)
Morning Hiawatha (Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis)
Olympian (Chicago-Twin Cities-Seattle & Tacoma)
Olympian Hiawatha (Chicago-Twin Cities-Seattle U& Tacoma; replaced Olympian)
Pioneer Limited (Chicago-Milwaukee-St. Paul & Minneapolis)
Sioux (Chicago-Madison-Rapid City, SD)
Southwest Limited (Milwaukee & Chicago-Kansas City
Tomahawk (Chicago-Minocqua, WI)
Varsity (Chicago-Madison)

Of note: From 1955-1971, Milwaukee Road operated the Chicago-Omaha segment of UP’s “Overland” streamliners including the City of Denver, City of Portland, City of Los Angeles, City of San Francisco and the Challenger.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:52 AM
Mornin’ Gents!

A rainy start to this Wednesday in mid-continent USA as a cold front descends upon us, chasing away those 50 (F) temps. Lots of rain forecast, but alas, no snow. <yuck> Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” was $2.08 (rounded) yesterday. Appears that we may have seen the last of the under two bucks per gallon gasoline. Add that to the escalating costs of simply keeping it on the track, and there’s one thing that comes to mind. I’m ever thankful for being able to pay the bills. The alternative is unthinkable. [tdn]

A reminder: We are CLOSED on NEW YEAR’s DAY with no Sunday Pix Posting until the following week – January 8th.

This week has turned out to be quite a surprise regarding the number of guys Posting. We still have several regulars absent – but accounted for. Come Monday, January 2nd, I would expect our normal order of business to resume. Until then, ENCORE! Posts are encouraged. [tup]

To the acknowledgments:

jlampke John
Posted: 28 Dec 2005, 01:14:04


Hey John! I received all of your Emails as you most probably know, and it’s good to see you putting your thoughts together for a Post here. [tup][tup]

Good tune selections and they are all on the Juke called Herr Wurlitzer! 5 plays for a quarter can’t be topped these days, wouldn’t you agree [?] Thanx for the $$$ for our Coal Scuttle, which of course was known as the Pickled Pig’s Feet jar! Sounds a bit more “refined,” doesn’t it [?] [swg]

My time in Oregon goes back to the 80s and I really loved it there. Spent a bit of time in Eugene and the surrounding area on personal business – really a great spot. Then of course the coastline – amazing rock formations. Also flew with the Oregon National Guard pretty much all over the state, a very diverse place indeed. Politics [?] Not to my liking. Attitudes [?] Reminded me of a few places I lived in and near up in New England. Again, not my cuppa tea. My bride and I celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary out that way – with five days in the Seattle area and 5 in Portland. We must have lucked out, for the entire trip was beneath clear skies with wonderful temps in the month of August. Just love the Pacific Northwest – but I’m more partial to further north – the further the better! [tup]

Take your time catching up, we’ll be here when you decide to chat again!

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 28 Dec 2005, 01:14:12


Feast or famine Rob these days (daze)! Work, work, work, rest, work, work, ,work, rest, etc. [swg] Good to have you back amongst us once again. Been somewhat of a drought, fer sure, fer sure! Anyway, since you, Ted and Nick are “staff” ‘round here – I would EXPECT to see you three without having to do cartwheels when you Post! [swg] After all, you guys (guyz) don’t seem to have a problem dipping into the tub upstairs in my private quarters for your remuneration! <grin>

That Second National Bank of Mentor Village has undergone a few changes since the “mob” moved in. Somehow, someway, before we realized it, Vito the Hit! and his Boyz wound up on the Board of Detesters Directors with Vito “elected” as President, CEO and HMWIC (head man what’s in charge!). They don’t give away toasters and the like when you open an account, rather they simply size you for some ‘shoes,’ which may or may not be worn at a later date! [swg] An interesting place, indeed. [%-)]

You may have hit on something regarding the Forums and the apparent slow down for some. Could be the number of people off from school during this period. However, I’ve not noticed any difference in loading – none. I do use my assorted software applications to ensure that my hard drive is squared away, scans done for this ‘n that to ensure no unwanted “visitors” reside in memory, purge cookies, history, and the like, along with ensuring my firewall and other protections are operating as advertised. These things, when done in synergy, keep things up ‘n runnin’ quite well.

Insofar as that “Dummies” book is concerned, I would think that if one were to retrieve the gobs and gobs of “stuff” put out on this thread by moi over the months, one would have a good start. But alas, old habits are hard to break. That’s the bugaboo as I see it. Unintended consequences of technology always seems to wind up with people using things they are ill prepared to understand. Happens. Just think of the zillions out there who still “fear” the features of a VCR, DVD or other such devices – and of course, the TV remote! [swg]


Well, the subject IS Classic Trains – so to one and all – enjoy these ENCORE! pieces, for unless one takes the time to peruse the old Index pages some of them may wind up simply being unread for ages.


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by red p on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:11 AM
Morning Coffee and a blueberry bagel for me.
hey how come rrandb didnt get tweeted? Any way im glad to see everyone survived the holidays.
Oh by the way you wont believe what I saw out there last night, a brand new EMD demo. Ive never seen that paint sceme before although it was dark I really didnt get a good look at it.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:31 AM
G'day P

Just cannot get it, eh [?] Tweeeeets are for the regulars AND those occupying red stools! [swg]

Guess what I saw [?] A string of Budd stainless steel 85 ft passenger cars all in Canadian Pacific livery w/beaver heralds. But alas, it was too dark to get a look at them! <geesh!>

So that's it [?] Nothing more to say [?] Perhaps THIS is your ENCORE! piece - more of the SAME!

Welcome back, I think.[%-)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:50 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

A true story about Awk while staying at Cindy’s place. (previously Posted on page 136)

Cindy’s dishwasher quit working so she called a repairman. Since she had to go to work the next day, she told the repairman, "I'll leave the key under the mat. Fix the dishwasher, leave the bill on the counter, and I'll mail you a check."

"Oh, by the way don't worry about my bulldog, Spike. He won't bother you. But, whatever you do, do NOT, under ANY circumstances, talk to my parrot!" "I REPEAT, DO NOT TALK TO MY PARROT!!!"

When the repairman arrived at Cindy’s apartment the following day, he discovered the biggest, meanest looking bulldog he has ever seen. But, just as she had said, the dog just lay there on the carpet watching the repairman go about his work.

The parrot, however, drove him nuts the whole time with his incessant yelling, cursing and name calling. Finally the repairman couldn't contain himself any longer and yelled,

"Shut up, you stupid, ugly bird!"

To which the parrot replied, "Get him, Spike!"


Enoy (again)!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by red p on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:48 PM
TOM- what do you what me to say its back and forth,back and forth back and forth everyday nothing exiting going on.
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Posted by jlampke on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:49 PM
Afternoon Tom. Just jumping in here for a quick look during my lunch break. Remember; I'm on "Left Coast" time here.... Work hours, I better take it easy... Make mine a single Absolute for now. Does Our Place serve buffalo hamburgers? A round for the boyz too.........

For P; Sure wish I could trade jobs with you! Is it possible to get cab rides anymore?

Several pages back, you made a reference to long trips...... I've seen more than a few of those myself through the years. One I read of from WW2 that is notable though; At one point during the war in the Pacific the USS Hornet (CV-12) went for an entire 18 month period without tying up to a pier. They did anchor at Ulithi a few times during the course of that deployment. (Been there. Nothing there.)

More later........... John

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:01 PM
G'Day Members and guests. Tom, please make it a Hot Buttered Rum in one of those great copper mugs.[^] Hey, the Milwaukee Road Encore is timely indeed after Trainnut referred us to the vintage Flick melodrama.[tup] Hmmm, did I notice a "touch" of sardonic wit eminatting from the "other side" of the bar? Love it...just love it Tom.[:D] Glad to see just about everyone came through relatively undamaged physically, if not fiscally.[V] Now, some may be saying to themselves: Gadfrey, that Theodorebear will do anything for a laugh.[:O] Well, you are 100% on that "take."[tup] When an "Old Country" Doc (Gemany) told me that laughter is a better tonic than anything created "by the hand of man," I obediently jumped up in the air, clicked my heels and replied: Jawohl mein Fuhrer![(-D]

Let's see, ah yes Rob, thanks for the answer on the P.C.C.s. I thought reversing with the trolly pole "in place," could easily damage the pole. I knew there had to be a reverse somewhere, just never noticed the control next to the motoman, I guess. BTW, do you recall "bridge" railers festooned from the older car's under frame? They were a piece of standard sized rail conformed to a slow arch with an open space in the center. They were used more than once (as I recall) when fire hoses were strung across the car tracks while firemen battled the blaze. I remember the motoman (KCity) issuing some muffled expilitives (under his breath) when he had to bounce the thing loose and place it over the hoses. Also, the primary material for the older cars truly was of wooden construction. I found out "first hand" in a very tragic way when one of the Interurbans from Sand Springs, OK to Tulsa collided with a cement mixing truck near New Block Station. The Motorman was killed instantly and several passengers were injured. Rob the whole front end of the car was a mass of splintered lumber jutting out as if in a poorely stacked cord in a lumber yard. Just awful![xx(] From then on, I had a different view of the invincibility of those fast "steel" cars. Thanks for the "rerun." I somehow missed it the first "go 'round."[tup]

So you see? These [i]Encores[bi] have a positive value for sure.[tup] Likewise, I had trouble loging on this P.M. also. Had to repeat 4 times before my password was accepted. I'm guessing that it is the "recess" scool traffic causing some delays, as other have mentioned before.[banghead] AHOY jlampke John, "shiver me timbers" and all that other "sure fire" maritime dialogue. Glad to see yer still "out and about." I met some of the nicest folks to date while "on tour" and in Portland, OR. This was in the early "60s" and the Proprietor of a downtown LHS invited a couple of us to see the Portland Model R.R. Engineers HO model Pike. I remember it was really an elaborate and large operation. If that wasn't enough, we were invited to a impromtu party at the Owner's house that evening for B.B.Q and great chats with other members of this Club.[^] That doesn't happen very often while "living out of a suitcase" for weeks at a time. Anyhow, it was a courtesy that I'll neve forget.[tup] This being Wednesday and "Pike Perspectives Day," I thought I would "throw that up for grabs." BTW, the more I get into the "refurb" of my HO layout, the more I want to change a host of past efforts. Gadfrey, at this rate, it will be next X-mas before I'm "up and runnng" again.[:O]

Okay, I know I'll miss something in this synopsis but that is the stuff of future posts, now isn't it? The Gazette venue hasn't gone by unoticed. Just haven't hit upon a fitting news worthy item. Of course, I'm more than a little concerned over the "impact" a new shopping Mall will have on Mentor Village's homeyness (?). January the 6th it is for our next [bday] Bash and still anticipating more input on the New Year's Staff Party. Maybe Nick, Tom and Rob will have some thoughts on this? Good old Boris, at the ready with lanyard in his "hot webbed hand."[alien] Well forget it until I get a check cashed at the Second Natnl. Bank. Vito owes me a favo(u)r since that last Rum Pizza run I made for him over by Windsor, don'tcha know. Happy rails all.

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