August 1957 OG for DL&W shows coaches Philadelphia-Wilkes Barre (RDG/CNJ 301/306) and Binghamtom-Syracuse (DL&W 1301/1306). CNJ's section does not list the train at all. Reading's section says coach passengers carried only for CNJ points.
Thanks for that! As I said, the "Interstate Express" is a new one on me.
According to an article about the Delaware & Hudson in the latest issue of Passenger Train Journal (2019-2) the CNJ used trackage rights running the INTERSTATE EXPRESS between Wilkes Barre and Scranton on the D & H.
Yeah, I'm drawing a blank on the "Interstate Express" myself, definately going to look that one up.
I have never heard of this, and was actually in a position to have seen it (as my grandparents knew enough people at CNJ to get me a cab ride on six-motor Alco 1611 for my 4th birthday).
The things that pass just out of sight and knowledge! CNJ ran MU sets of babyface Baldwins as late as 1965...
Since we're talking about gone but not forgotten what about the Jersey Central leg of the INTERSTATE EXPRESS that ran between Syracuse and Philadelphia over the Reading, CNJ and DL&W. The CNJ leg was between Bethlehem and Wilkes Barre, PA. It carried no coaches north of Wilkes Barre, just a sleeper for points only on the DL&W. As far as I can determine the Binghamton-Syracuse segment was discontinued sometime in 1957 but the train continued to run until June 1963 when the Reading dropped all mail service. I don't know if coaches were still not run north of Wilkes Barre after that. Pictures of this train are as rare as hen's teeth.
Right you are Johnny about loading a cap-n'-ball revolver. The first gun I purchased for myself was a Navy Arms reproduction Confederate Griswold and Gunnison .36 revolver, $45 in 1970. Actually, Dad had to make the purchase, I was only 17 at the time, but I saved up the money!
It took about five minutes to load it, powder, ball, sealer grease and cap on each cylinder. Needless to say that would have meant death in a combat situation so men armed with one of those revolvers (typically officers) carried spare cylinders. Jeff Daniels (as Col. Joshua Chamberlain) in the film "Gettysburg" does a good job of a cylinder swap-out.
He also has what's called a "chain-fire" in one sequence! Pretty obvious if you know what you're looking at. "Chain-fires," that is more than one (or all!) cylinders firing could happen if the cylinders weren't properly sealed. Since Jeff's pistol was loaded with blanks I wasn't really surprised to see it happen.
Cavalrymen had the advantage of having a horse to help with the weight, so they carried sometimes up to six revolvers! A great example is that Clint Eastwood film "The Outlaw Josey Wales." That's just how it was done.
Wayne
Wayne, you mentioning picking things up on a battlefield. I, myself, have never done such, but I have seen a revolver that was picked up on a battlefield in Virginia. As I recall, the grandfather of a second cousin of mine picked it up--and it is the possession of his great-grandaughter. It is iteresting to see how revolvers have been improved since that one was made--it is a cap-and-ball revolver, and it was possible for a man to have one or more cylinders loaded and ready to use, one-by-one, so when after all the balls in one were shot he could take that cylinder out and replace with a loaded cylinder.
Johnny
Re Lionel / Sopranos...$8000 would be about right for a mint, in-the-box standard gauge Blue Comet set. An original Lionel O gauge set from the '30's(which is what Bobby was supposed to be looking at, even if they used a repro) in similar condition would sell for about $3500.
I suspect one of the writers did a quick google search on something like "Lionel Blue Comet train set" and saw the price of a standard gauge set and used that, not understanding the difference in the two sizes of trains, or corresponding difference in value.
Isn't that something Becky? Kind of like stumbling across an undiscovered Civil War battlefield with all the combat litter still on the ground, and hopefully no human remains.
But, every once in a while here in Virginia a relic hunter with a metal detector will get a hit, start digging, and find something he really didn't want to!
The usual sign is a guy running out of the woods screaming like a banshee!
Anyway, I'm amazed those Jersey Central tracks are still there and weren't pulled up and sold for scrap years ago.
And they're not the only ones! Here's a video of the abandoned old Erie mainline tracks through the Carlton Hill section of Rutherford NJ. As I understand it the tracks were used as a freight/ industrial spur into the 1990's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgtX8ansBbU
It's 10 minutes long, and the film-making's not the best, so if it gets tedious here's a slide show and discussion of the same.
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=91743
Boy does that stir up memories! I came accross a scene like that in the 80's. I spotted a late 19th century date nail but I can't remember the year exactly. Mine was in a Berea/Strongsville OH park.
Trains, trains, wonderful trains. The more you get, the more you toot!
And just when I thought this thread was over and done with, this popped up while I was perusing the You Tube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bmFemB2cY
Not quite like meeting a ghost, but close to it!
Miningman Central Railroad of New Jersey in the Big Apple ... Liberty Street http://digitalcollections.archives.nysed.gov/index.php/Detail/Object/Show/object_id/921 Zoom
Central Railroad of New Jersey in the Big Apple ... Liberty Street
Thank you Miningman! This is absolutely breathtaking. I wish I had the time and the ability to understand all the stories of the people who worked in this gigantic rail yard.
Penny Trains Not bad, Engineer looks suspiciously like Fontaine Fox's "Skipper". I like this one better:
Not bad, Engineer looks suspiciously like Fontaine Fox's "Skipper".
I like this one better:
OH MEIN GOTT! Video of the Pre-war The 20th Century Ltd and the Royal Blue led by B&O's Hudson?! This is amazing!
Penny Trains Best filmed destruction of a layout? That award goes to Lex Luthor's Maerklin one gauge set-up in the basement of the widow's house in Superman Returns. Listen closely as the plastic figures "scream" as they get run down by the flying locomotives.
Best filmed destruction of a layout? That award goes to Lex Luthor's Maerklin one gauge set-up in the basement of the widow's house in Superman Returns. Listen closely as the plastic figures "scream" as they get run down by the flying locomotives.
Beautiful. I almost cried...
Jones 3D Modeling Club https://www.youtube.com/Jones3DModelingClub
Flintlock76Maybe railroads shouldn't run anywhere near a place named Chatsworth!
I believe it was renamed "gunpoint" and instead of train wrecks that's where a large number of the nation's robberies happen nowadays.
A madhouse? Probably. I'm glad I'm retired now and don't have to run the gauntlet in offices around the area! UVA, amazing and totally unexpected!
Not politically correct to say so in this day and age, but all I can think of is the old Southern saying...
"Save your Confederate money boys, the South's gonna RISE again!"
Wah-HOO!
Very good, thanks Flintlock.
I know you're not a sports fan but you now have the bragging rights for the next year in College Basketball. Imagine Virginia will be a madhouse from one end to the other tonight and the next few days.
You noticed right Midland Mike. I think they're a little off on the price drop, I don't believe they've dropped all that much, however at this time the only vintage Lionels of any variety that are bringing the really big bucks are the mint-condition ones. If I remember correctly a few years back a Lionel Standard Gauge "State Set," similar to the "Blue Comet" set, brought at auction $250,000. It was a salesman's sample set, in brand-new condition and in the original carry case. The set the gent had on "Antiques Roadshow" had a bit of wear on it. Hey, it was a toy meant to be played with, it was, and it shows, which affects the value.
The "Jubilee" wheel arrangement on the Lionel 400E locomotive used in the "Blue Comet" set kind of came about by accident. A correct Pacific arrangement wouldn't handle the curve radii on Lionels Standard Gauge track of the time, but a 4-4-4 would, so that's what they used. Nobody seemed to care anyway, it was a toy after all, although a spectacular one.
And Miningman, the property tax bill is one of the things that helped to kill the Jersey Central. Interestingly, for much of the 19th Century and into the 20th the tax bill on the railroads operating in Hudson County NJ, where Jersey City is, was at the bare minimum. The county and state governments believed that a low tax rate kept the railroads there strong and promoted development, which added to tax revenues in the long run. But at some point in the 20th Century those generous tax breaks ended. Just one thing in the chain of events that caused the railroad calamities in the 1960's and 70's.
Here's a clip from a promotional film the Jersey Central put out in 1949 called "The Big Little Railroad." It'll give all another view of those sprawling Jersey City facilities. And again, the only thing that survives is the terminal building seen in the ferry shots. Couldn't find the whole film on-line, this'll have to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kYeg5A6jBE
"Sic transit gloria mundi."
"Aerial view east across Upper Bay from New Jersey to New York. In the foreground, trains are parked on the extensive system of tracks at the Central Railroad of New Jersey's railroad yards on the Jersey shore. The view also includes the Hudson River, the Lower End of Manhattan, the East River, … [more]"
Extensive is an understatement. Had no idea the CNJ had that much real estate and that much business in NYCity.
Just packed with all kinds of trains. Can you imagine the property tax bill today?
Amazing scene, just amazing. To have one afternoon to walk around on the ground all over that on that day of the photo. Simply amazing.
Flintlock76It just keeps getting better! I just found this on the You Tube by accident. It's from PBS's "Antiques Roadshow," 2007, and with an original Lionel Standard Gauge "Blue Comet" set. Leila Dunbar, who I call "The Sports Gal," does the commenting. She doesn't get everything right, but gets most of it right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4L6OPvLZsI
I noticed at the end of the video they show that the price had deflated by almost half by 2015. Also I noticed that the model loco had a Jubilee wheel arrangement
Lex Luthor doesn't seem to be having as much fun as Gomez Addams would have.
Sourpuss!
Great selection of that road safety film Becky! Ironic isn't it, over 80 years and nothing much has changed. I wonder what grandpa would have thought of smart-phone distraction?
And how'd you like the prop smoke on that kids Standard Gauge trains? For the rest of you, Lionel didn't put smoke in the locomotives until 1946!
Great aerial shot Mike came up with of the Jersey Central terminal in Jersey City! Aside from the headhouse it's all gone now, like it was never there. Now it's Liberty State Park, the railroad connection is just a memory.
Some more "Blue Comet" stories. Here's the tale of the "Blue Comet" wreck at Chatsworth NJ in August of 1939.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8h9owJEfA&t=53s
Hey, there was the "Chatsworth Horror" train wreck of 1887, there was the wreck at Chatsworth CA that let to the push for Positive Train Control, and the "Comet's" Chatsworth wreck. What is it with the name "Chatsworth" anyway? Seems like some kind of a whammy to me. Maybe railroads shouldn't run anywhere near a place named Chatsworth! Bad medicine!
Here's a short about running down and restoring surviving "Comet" cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMayhLrF4cw
Stunning view of Liberty Street
Miningmanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNmtNHdfQBg&t=23s
Silly me, I let my enthusiam get the better of me! I should have looked more closely. Still, a great job!
Flintlock76 Great colorizing job on the "Comet" Mr. Jones, you nailed it! Oh, and that $1,327.05 you mentioned, the $75 adjusted for inflation? It would still get you a Winchester 30-30 rifle and a Colt .38 revolver! More or less, depending on where you shop and what they've got. It's not in production at the present time, but the Lionel-MTH Standard Gauge "Blue Comet" reproduction set, locomotive plus cars, produced in 2017, sold for around $2,000, complete. Still for rich kids only!
Great colorizing job on the "Comet" Mr. Jones, you nailed it!
Oh, and that $1,327.05 you mentioned, the $75 adjusted for inflation? It would still get you a Winchester 30-30 rifle and a Colt .38 revolver!
More or less, depending on where you shop and what they've got.
It's not in production at the present time, but the Lionel-MTH Standard Gauge "Blue Comet" reproduction set, locomotive plus cars, produced in 2017, sold for around $2,000, complete.
Still for rich kids only!
If only it is my work, Wayne. I just found it on Pinterest. But it was probably colorized by a artist who is very good at colorizing black and white photo of America's trains. I think he or she is still active on Facebook. (link added below the pic)
More or less, depending where you shop and what they've got.
Getting back to the real "Blue Comet," I just found a 3-plus minute You Tube video with film of the "Comet," plus stills, and ephemera, and Hoagie Carmichael's clssic "Stardust" for background music. Nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ4-SywJ3Vo
Flintlock76 ...A couple of things. I wanted to get back "on the air" last night but fell asleep watching a Smithsonian Channel show on a giant volcano under Yellowstone National Park that's going to blow up any time soon and destroy life on earth as we know it. I guess I nodded off when it didn't happen.
...A couple of things. I wanted to get back "on the air" last night but fell asleep watching a Smithsonian Channel show on a giant volcano under Yellowstone National Park that's going to blow up any time soon and destroy life on earth as we know it. I guess I nodded off when it didn't happen.
As long as it is not written in the script, it won't blow up. The biggest threat to humanity at this very moment is still... humanity itself. "Team Black Sheep" still having the upper hand, they are extremely smart, resourceful but many of them always act emotionless; they occupied all top tier university, corporation, media, and seat of governments, just to ensure the "show" will go on according to their plan until their master want to sink the ship aka "pressing the reset button", but that's not gonna happen any time soon.
Flintlock76 Anyway, Becky posted a great example of Lionel's Standard Gauge Blue Comet set from the 1930's. The last time I saw one of those engines, and engine alone, it had a $15,000 price tag on it! Mr. Jones' scenario of Bobby having a heart attack almost happened to me! Mind you, that Standard Gauge set was for rich kids only, back in 1937 it had a $75 price. That same amount of money at the time would have bought you a Winchester 30-30 rifle and a Colt .38 revolver, and you would have had $5 change coming to you! The O gauge set Bobby was handling was $30 in 1937. That would have gotten you the Colt.
Anyway, Becky posted a great example of Lionel's Standard Gauge Blue Comet set from the 1930's. The last time I saw one of those engines, and engine alone, it had a $15,000 price tag on it! Mr. Jones' scenario of Bobby having a heart attack almost happened to me! Mind you, that Standard Gauge set was for rich kids only, back in 1937 it had a $75 price. That same amount of money at the time would have bought you a Winchester 30-30 rifle and a Colt .38 revolver, and you would have had $5 change coming to you!
The O gauge set Bobby was handling was $30 in 1937. That would have gotten you the Colt.
What cost $75 in 1937 would cost $1327.05 in 2018. IIRC, a ticket for a seat on the PRR TrailBlazer in 1938 cost about $31 which was a 50% off compared with the ticket price of the Broadway Limited. But there are many alternative choices for kids from grass-roots families who wants a toy train: some cardboard, a pencil or colored pencils sets at school, rulers, a pair of scissors ----> Full-scale cardboard steam locomotive model displayed in Nagoya https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181030/p2a/00m/0na/016000c
Flintlock76 "If the Blue Comet lasted just a little bit longer..." Well we could say that about a lot of things, like the New York, Westchester & Boston, the trolley network of North Jersey and other places...
"If the Blue Comet lasted just a little bit longer..."
Well we could say that about a lot of things, like the New York, Westchester & Boston, the trolley network of North Jersey and other places...
I got you, Wayne. The reason I bring this up is that The Blue Comet was removed from the time table just about 70 days before the Attack of Pearl Harbour which is another never-ending topic for The Blue Comet fans. Though I also believe that it would have only lasted just a few more years longer before the decline of LD passenger train service hit the USA railroad industry like a bullet or...a comet.
I believe that after a chain of unfortunate incidents and under severe competition, the Blue Comet lost its glamour and CNJ also lost the passion to run the train in later years.
https://www.pinterest.it/pin/520799144404160339/
New Jersey's Finest watching? Well, as a Jersey state trooper told me years ago as far as exceeding the speed limit was concerned...
"Five, you're fine. Ten? You're MINE!"
It just keeps getting better! I just found this on the You Tube by accident. It's from PBS's "Antiques Roadshow," 2007, and with an original Lionel Standard Gauge "Blue Comet" set. Leila Dunbar, who I call "The Sports Gal," does the commenting. She doesn't get everything right, but gets most of it right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4L6OPvLZsI
The video gives a pretty good idea of just how big the thing is, but seeing it in person takes your breath away.
By the way, I remember watching this show, looking at the "Comet" set owner, and muttering " I hate youuuuuuu...."
Just kidding! Actually, I said the same thing about another guy on an "Antiques Roadshow" who dug up a Civil War era 12-pounder mountain howitzer in his backyard. And who didn't know what it was.
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