wjstix Somebody once said it's easier to be nostalgic about a time you didn't live through - you only see the good parts, and miss the negative and hum-drum of real life. Still, it sure would be fun to be able to go to Madison Square Garden c.1950 and see a Knicks game, especially to watch them get stomped by the greatest basketball team of all time, the Minneapolis Lakers....
Somebody once said it's easier to be nostalgic about a time you didn't live through - you only see the good parts, and miss the negative and hum-drum of real life.
Still, it sure would be fun to be able to go to Madison Square Garden c.1950 and see a Knicks game, especially to watch them get stomped by the greatest basketball team of all time, the Minneapolis Lakers....
http://www.startribune.com/john-kundla-former-minneapolis-lakers-coach-and-basketball-hall-of-famer-dies-at-101/436178233/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkc5CLoqIS8&t=8m8s
Chicago Rapid Transit's 4000 series cars had their side doors at the end of the carbody, not at quarter points like later CTA equipment. I would assume that the door controls were placed outside the car to avoid taking a door out of service for a conductor station.
That is most likely, but still would require being ready a few seconds ahead of time and a few seconds later when closing. It would be a constant up and down.
Maybe someone could give us the lowdown on the why and how's.
Wouldn't the conductor ride inside between stations?
It also would have been very loud, particularly in tunnels...
Thank You.
Miningman That must have been endless fun in the winter.
That must have been endless fun in the winter.
I wonder what the rationale was for palcing the door controls there.
Johnny
Chicago's first few 6000-series PCC cars delivered in 1950 still had the conductor's position outside, though it was quickly moved inside.
Yes, the NYC Subway also had the exterior door controls that required the conductor to ride outside.
Miningman The Big Apple I presume but where are we?
The Big Apple I presume but where are we?
Photo by Ed Molinari, New York Daily News, October 24, 1964.
Caption: “Subway car Lo-V [low voltage] is about to leave Grand Central subway station to head for the scrap heap after 45 years of service.”
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MiningmanGood one Wanswheel. Will tell it to my class today.
Many more of those chestnuts in the Asteia of Hierocles.
Good one Wanswheel. Will tell it to my class today.
Interesting picture. What's it about? The Big Apple I presume but where are we?
Transferring ( copying) some text I wrote over on "String Lining" in the Trains Forum. It seems appropriate in the Classic Trains forum.
Something to think about.
Using the "Classic Trains" theme, I refer to us older dudes that loved our trains and remembered railroads as something astonishing and magical, powerful, permanent and beautiful as the "Classic Guys".
Classic guys were at the tail end of it...Pullmans, heavyweights, steam, trains to everywhere and anywhere, china and linens, passenger trains run by free enterprise, not government.
We are also disappearing. I watched, from hillside, as the rails were lifted from the magnificient NYC CASO line through famous quaint Waterford, the connection with doodlebugs of the TH&B.
For some time before that I would go trackside and walk along the now never used rails and remember. I try to understand why and how. Never could figure it out. Now it is never coming back.
Same story a million times from California to Newfoundland.
How do we know if one of us Classic Guys "departs" and is never coming back. Just by the absence of posting? That seems a bit thin.
CSSHEGEWISCH Firelock76 Thanks for the response! Here's a bit of trivia for you... Ever see the movie "Twelve O'Clock High"? The fictional 918th Bomb Group was based (loosely) on the 306th, 306 X 3 = 918. Multiple times, it's probably the best war movie ever made. I've read that it's part of a leadership course at the Air Force Academy.
Firelock76 Thanks for the response! Here's a bit of trivia for you... Ever see the movie "Twelve O'Clock High"? The fictional 918th Bomb Group was based (loosely) on the 306th, 306 X 3 = 918.
Thanks for the response! Here's a bit of trivia for you...
Ever see the movie "Twelve O'Clock High"? The fictional 918th Bomb Group was based (loosely) on the 306th, 306 X 3 = 918.
Multiple times, it's probably the best war movie ever made. I've read that it's part of a leadership course at the Air Force Academy.
Part of a leadership course? I can well believe it, the film's that good.
CSSHEGEWISCH The patch belongs to the 367th Bomb Squadron, the "Clay Pigeons". It was part of the 306th Bomb Group based at Thurleigh and is Dad's unit.
The patch belongs to the 367th Bomb Squadron, the "Clay Pigeons". It was part of the 306th Bomb Group based at Thurleigh and is Dad's unit.
Another thing, if you're ever traveling down Route 95 in Georgia BE SURE to stop in the Mighty 8th Air Force Museum in Pooler, GA, right off the highway, you'll love it! We were there several years ago and it's unforgettable!
You're living in the wrong place then Firelock.
Everything but everything up here is a propeller, The ice went out in the bay Tuesday, and yesterday, Thursday, the float planes were going out. The main body of the lake is still frozen solid..it will go 2nd week June. They were practicing landings all day today. Mind you, over the winter they use skis on the float planes. That is a bit trickier.
Water bombers were practicing all week as well, all props there to and they are big. Spring is here, 2C right now, daytime highs around 10C.
We don't got no stinkin' Jets.
Hey, I LOVE DC-3's, DC-4's, Constellations, Stratocruisers, anything with honest-to-God props on 'em! AND men like Eddie Rickenbacker, Juan Trippe, and Howard Hughes running the airlines, you know? Men who knew what the hell they were doing and loved the business. They must be turning over in their graves at about 2000 RPM seeing what the airlines have turned into.
And CSS, just who's squadron patch is that you're using for an avatar? It seems familiar but I just can't place it.
Going back to a railroad infrastructure of 1947 in 2017 would also require that the road and air infrastructure also go back to that date: no interstates, nothing longer than 40-foot semi-trailers, airlines flying DC-3s, DC-4s, Constellations, Stratocruisers, etc. It would also require the tight regulation of the ICC and CAB over ground and air transportation. Are you sure that you would want this?
Wjistix- I'm afraid you would not be able to see the Minneapolis Lakers as this is not a journey through time. Pennsylvania Station does however, reappear taking the place of the new Madison Square Gardens but in todays current time.
The question or premise is: could we function with all the railroads, equipment and infrastructure if it all suddenly reappeared the way it was in a specific point of time, say 1947. Not the people.
So we have our cars, and our laptops and cell phones, it's us, everything normal as today except we have 40' boxcars, Pullman sleepers, Niagaras and T1's.
Aside from my railroad historical enthusiasm the real thing is ...we have all our trains back, the equipment, the tracks, the schedules.
Given a second chance at this, do we make a go of it and transform society?
However, your desire to see the Minneapolis Lakers at MSG could be realized by a thread I posted a while back granting you one single trip with 2 extra buddies but only for three hours. You can see and hear everything but cannot be seen or heard by others of that time. It was supposed to be only for a railroad scene but we can make an exception in your case. Should be able to get a game in with 3 hours of time.
My contention is we as a society chose a different direction and destroyed or abandoned what we had. I think we can live in the digital age and have quaint locals and frequent intercity service and plenty of overnite sleeper service, all of it well connected.
...and I was there in those days, the tail end of it anyway.
La La Land? I retired from Deutsche Bahn on 1 Aug. 2010 and still dream about working at the station in Nuremberg where I was employed in the service department for 21 years as a service rep. Why I do not know. I don't miss the work but do miss some of the great people I worked with.
I seldom dream about my RR days spent in Texas with Cotton Belt or AT&SF though. Before I came across this post I was thinking where I would transport myself back in time if I could. I think it would be the spring of 1952 before I turned six on the 4th of July that long ago summer with the last happy days spent before starting first grade.
I'd love to eat Aunt Kate's fried chicken on a Sunday spent in Greenville, Texas. I wish my grandfather had been a railfan. I saw trains but only if one passed when he was driving to or from any place and had me with him in his big old Nash. I well remember as a little tot seeing a grey Katy diesel switcher on Denton Drive near Dallas Love Field on a cloudy Saturday afternoon. Wonder if it was one of the last as Katy was busy repainting grey diesel switchers to red. This also included the four GE 70 tonners which I never saw.
Yep, wish I could go back to 1952 and stay there forever! Great memories remain. Guess that's better than having none at all to look back on but I miss those long gone days of innocent youth and at least wish I could turn back the clock and start all over again.
I imigine most of us do.
You can add the (.) after the word period and guess it is proper English to do so but when it is said and done guess you can do it anyway you darn well please. It's entirely up to you and doubt if any one of your old English teachers will ever read your words or wisdom you write here on the Classic Trains site as it is.
....oh, good morning Miss Dove....
Great stuff Wanswheel! Bright lights, big city and looking good, mighty fine.
Guess the Rangers will have to go back to the old Gardens, until they can get a new place built. I'm sure they will understand, hockey players aren't whiners.
Just as a notation- there is a 2 hour time difference between myself and the time stamp on the postings in case you think I'm up at 2:34am which I'm not..it's 12:34 and I'm heading off to la la land.
MiningmanOf course the New York Rangers would need a new home
Yeah, but, Always Dreaming won the Kentucky Derby.
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