Old Roundhouse in East St Louis? Is there any near you?

[tomkat-13]

I think this was a CB&Q roundhouse on Hall St. North St. Louis

http://binged.it/yMuar2

[simon1966]

Here is where the Sandborn map is today

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=st.+louis&hl=en&ll=38.625521,-90.242504&spn=0.004342,0.009645&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.042042,79.013672&hnear=St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=17

 

The street names are all the same.  It is most certainly the site of the Frisco Roundhouse

[charlie9]

if the one near trendley avenue is a GM&O facility, it would date way back before they got hold of the C&A.  after that i think all their facilities were concentrated at Venice.   we may be looking at the old ICRR facility, i have been there years ago but never saw it from the air.

charlie

[charlie9]

judging from the photos, i am pretty sure we are looking at what is/was left of the old B&O facility.  it is right along the west side of I-55/ I-70.  St Clair ave. (ill hwy 3) passes under the B&O tracks.  years ago, the B&O road crews stayed at the National Hotel, just a city block west of the St Clair ave underpass.  they had the entire second or third floor as a railroad bunk room.  home terminal for their road crews was Washington Indiana so they just used the hotel to get their rest before returning east.

i have no idea what the map is.  if it is part of E St Louis, it must be from before the interstate highway and Poplar Street Bridge complex were built.  none of the street names are familiar.

the NKP yard would be farther north, up in or near Granite City.  I think Ill hwy 203 passes over it just north of the Gateway Raceway and before you get to the curve going in to GC.

I used to work in that area but it has been many years and things have changed a lot including my ability to recall all the past.

the metrolink does run along part of the old Wabash right of way in St Louis.  it is nowhere near the Wabash facility on the east side at Brooklyn although there was a large roundhouse and turntable there too.

Charlie

[ShawneeHawk]

I was also going to say the first roundhouse was the old B&O's at Cone Yard.  It's visible this time of year just north of I-64, 70, 55.  I'm no expert on East St. Louis but the roundhouse "footprint" closer to the river may have been the GM&O.  Here's an interesting link I found on railroads and their facilities in St. Louis:

http://books.google.com/books?id=GZ1BAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=b+%26+o+cone+yard&source=bl&ots=ABznNti9rD&sig=qwBbCabMo6slTVy7K-LiUbT_mzU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DwMJT8GHHMinsQKSjIHrAg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=b%20%26%20o%20cone%20yard&f=false

Most of the roundhouses in southern Illinois are gone (sadly).

Gary

[simon1966]

Ken, the roundhouse in E. STL is the B and O Roundhouse,   The map you have shown is the old Frisco Roundhouse over in St. Louis south of Chouteau Ave.  According to what I have read the Frisco roundhouse was demolished in the 20's

[Steven S]

Are you aware of the old Wabash turntable?  It's next to the Metrolink line.

 38°37'56.00"N   90°14'45.50"W

 

Steve S

[cudaken]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.633718,-90.151749&hl=en&ll=38.620081,-90.16958&spn=0.002098,0.002248&sll=38.633718,-90.151749&sspn=0.002074,0.002248&oq=east+st+&hnear=East+St+Louis,+St+Clair,+Illinois&t=h&z=18

 Hum Great West, I did a copy and paste and is the same as I posted?

          Ken

 

[Great Western Rwy fan]

Not a Round house but remnants of the old Concord New Hampshire Turntable, I found this last week while looking for areas to train spot, Although  Southern NH doesn't seem to have much Train Traffic..

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.633718,-90.151749&hl=en&ll=38.620081,-90.16958&spn=0.002098,0.002248&sll=38.633718,-90.151749&sspn=0.002074,0.002248&oq=east+st+&hnear=East+St+Louis,+St+Clair,+Illinois&t=h&z=18

[cudaken]

  I drove past this for close to 20 years now and never knew what it was. From the interstate all I could see was one wall. Then Simon 1966 (member) told me it was a round house.

 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.633718,-90.151749&hl=en&ll=38.633718,-90.151749&spn=0.002074,0.002248&sll=38.633718,-90.151749&sspn=0.002074,0.002248&oq=east+st+&hnear=East+St+Louis,+St+Clair,+Illinois&t=h&z=18

 I was stunned and very entreated. I think it was a old Nickel Plated Line round house. Any one have the history of it?

 I have tried Google and found some links like this one.

    http://stlouispatina.blogspot.com/2009/02/old-roundhouse-east-st-louis.html

 But unless I missed it, never saw the line that had it.

 I think this is the plan for the roundhouse.

 

 But, it could be this one as well.

 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.633718,-90.151749&hl=en&ll=38.620081,-90.16958&spn=0.002098,0.002248&sll=38.633718,-90.151749&sspn=0.002074,0.002248&oq=east+st+&hnear=East+St+Louis,+St+Clair,+Illinois&t=h&z=18

 When I did a Google search, both came up.

 I really like to visit the first one in person, only 10 miles away. I all so know the danger. Roof falling in, falling into a covered hole and Railroad cops.

 Does any one have a link to the first roundhouse in it's heyday? Well the second one as well? Links are from Google Earth.

 Looking forward to information.

         Cuda Ken