And I posted nothing of the sort. The issue of the current USA Administration's treatment of illegal immigrants was not raised my me on this Forum.
I have looked into the matter, and the accusations against Administration actions seem accurate. The USA's Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, which was aided by my Dad during and before and after WWII, has sent lawyers both to the borders and into northern Mexico to aid immigrants. The If Not Now When organization is actively protesting at the Immigration Control Centers at various locations around the USA. Flag (of any nationality) -waving at these demonstations is not allowed for INNW members, which stess unity across religious and ethnic and political and national boundaries in these protests.
Various churches and synagogues have banded together to provide safe housing and food, and in some cases raised bail to spring families from detention.
There is no religious or nationality propaganda in discussing these matters, only the balancing of the USA (and Canada) security needs against real humanitarian issues.
However, those who wish evidence of virulant anti-USA propaganda and specific anti-Semitism being spread within the USA by certain (other) immigrant leaders can contact me via email.
David: Blatantly religious and political propaganda from a foreign country does not belong in this forum.
This forum does not need a blatantly lying political rant from some Trumpist.
If I'm reading the comments right, some posters think we should let anyone in the country [including because they think it means more taverns open and more interesting foreign food]. I'd like you to say that face to face to the many local construction workers in my area who have had a major drop in their income. All because those building the new apartments to house the rapidly increasing number of college students started using mainly contracted immigrants from Texas and CA who won't even go to the hospital or see a doctor if they are injured because they are in the country illegally. They work finishing construction for $10.00 an hour, 50 hours a week, with no overtime and no Workers Comp or medical coverage. Their work quality tends to be weak but that doesn't matter--they are cheap! Note: if PA and other states ever imitate CA, the taxpayers will be paying for free medical care for all illegals.
There is a heavy price to pay for this massive illegal migration. Its in schools where it costs far more to try and teach students who don't know any english and have a home enviroment where none is spoken. Its in the cost of welfare where various recent studies show 70% to 85% [depends on the state] of these illegals receive welfare benefits that costs the taxpayers plenty. Its especially cruel to those hispanics who have been here in the USA for many years and the black communities as many of the manual jobs they did are now being taken over by the illegals since they will do it cheaper. There's also the crime. The crazy gangs that are now in the USA from Central America that the cartels use for their drug smuggling are only one example.
As for the comment that the illegals won't affect politics, you are living in a dream world. All you have to do is look at California and Nevada to realize it has major game changing effects. Why do you think the left wing of the Dems wants open borders?
This isn't the controlled immigration of Ellis Island days where 25% of the immigrants were turned away because of medical problems or a criminal history--and none received welfare. They had to make it on their own and many didn't. The best estimates of those times are that only half of the immigrants who traveled to the USA were still in it after 5 years.
The traditionally liberal Pew Foundation who is supposed to be the leading authority on this subject estimates at least 40 million in the Americas alone, not including the rest of the world, would come to the USA in just a few years if we had open borders.
The news media keeps quoting open border politicians that would have you believe all children are being housed in concentration camps. That's BS. Yes, there's a problem with some of the housing--but only some. The housing that's not under the Border Patrol (which didn't want the housing responsibilities in the first place) is generally fine. Some of the Border Patrol administered housing is also decent. The extra funds just approved by congress will eventually solve most of the current family and children housing problems. But the big problem is that most all of the illegals crossing the border will be released into society with the order to show up for a future court date--that almost all never show up for!
None of this is a new problem. It actually escalated quite rapidly during the Obama years whose administration also did most of what is now being done to handle the influx. There was basically silence from almost all of the USA media during that time. Now we hear it on a daily basis how horrible we treat those coming illegally-- because most of the news media can't stand Trump so anything bad or said to be bad about his administration is magnified and anything good that doesn't fit their agenda is ignored.
The biggest fans of the USA having open borders are our enemies. They fully understand that any country that can't control its own borders won't last long.
I agree that separating children from parents is horrible, unless parents are abusing the children.
In a specific foreign culture, a real distortion of the culture and religion's sacred book, abuse of a female child by the father is approved. This involves promising the young girl to a man upon payment by the man to the father, without any concent of the young girl. This disortion is widespread, tsught in places in the USA today, along with "Killing a Jew is to get into Heaven." Just as there are a few people who actually support the President who also believe that, but far fewer. And the threat to America does not come primarily from the southern boarder.
Well, ironic is better than distasteful.
Do you suppose that by living in Israel I am not concerned anymore about the welfair and security of msny people I love who are not living abroad?
Here, I have access to media that is not usually perused by people living in the USA and 'Canada and may be better informed than some of you on real threats that America faces. Some of this media is direct from the sources of the threat.
I would not compair myself in stature to Billie Mitchell, but he certainly saw a threat to America in the years before Pearl Hsrbor that many Americans did not see. That was also ironic, right?
Yetro, a Priest of Median, a pagan tribe, advised Moses on how to organize Israel's society, and Moses followed his advice, in Exodus. But I retain USA Citizenship and carry proof of it along with my Israeli identificatin card.
JPS1 Backshop I'll probably get banned but I find it highly ironic that someone living in Israel is telling us how to treat immigrants. I also wonder why it seems like we are constantly reminded of one poster's religion but don't know what anyone else's religion is. Agree!
Backshop I'll probably get banned but I find it highly ironic that someone living in Israel is telling us how to treat immigrants. I also wonder why it seems like we are constantly reminded of one poster's religion but don't know what anyone else's religion is.
Agree!
I agree as well.
I'll probably get banned but I find it highly ironic that someone living in Israel is telling us how to treat immigrants. I also wonder why it seems like we are constantly reminded of one poster's religion but don't know what anyone else's religion is.
daveklepper But Balt, if you have scanned or otherwise copied hard information about children in cages anywhere in the USA, please email it to me in pdf, jpg, gif, or Word Form. daveklepper@yahoo.com Children in cages, horrible thought. I don't write Preesident Trump, but I do occasionally write VP Pence.
But Balt, if you have scanned or otherwise copied hard information about children in cages anywhere in the USA, please email it to me in pdf, jpg, gif, or Word Form. daveklepper@yahoo.com Children in cages, horrible thought.
I don't write Preesident Trump, but I do occasionally write VP Pence.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/ceci-nest-pas-une-cage/563072/
Separating parents from children under any excuse it abhorrent to civilized humanity.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
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The children and teens in chain link fence on concrete cages are mostly asylum-seekers from Central America, separated from parents by a deliberate US policy. Some have been confined for weeks. It's disgraceful. I hope you can believe Balt and myself.
Keeping cultural and forms of worohsip differences makes a society interesting. Of course I continue to identify as an American and even keep a USA flag as well as an Israeli flag in my window year round.
There were two kinds of German-Americans in the years leading up to Pearl Harbor. Some organized pro-Nazi events and some identified with Democracy, inlcuding some who left Germany because of Hitler. After Pearl Harbor, nearly all got behind the war effort. So did people of Japanese extraction, despite the government, under Roosevelt no less, putting them in internment camps, an indignety those of German and Italien extraction did not suffer.
But certain immigrants do pose a threat to USA Democracy. And it is less their own fault than that of certain of their leaders. And when you teach that murdering Jews gets one into Heaven, the result right now seems to involve murdering Christians in places where there are no more Jews. I'm not exaggerqing to state this is weekly in some countries and is very under-reported in the USA and Canadian press.
What you say about puttng children in cages is true, and I had been unaware that any children were in cages other than Christians and other minorities in certain countries in the Mideast. And possibly some of the people who put other people in cages in the Mideast were led to do so from influences during the Colonial Period when resentment against others was nutured, followed by Nazi and KBJ-Riussian influences afterward.
davekepplerpardon me. but I think this is too political, and proper immigration control (not elimination, but control) would have prevented the major year 2001 unfortunate event. (Picking up visas at a credit-card office without security check or consular review, learning how to take-off a plane but not bohtering to learn how to land it) Immgration built the USA. But the immigrants that built the USA wanated to be Americans, as opposed to forcing America to be something else.
Immgration built the USA. But the immigrants that built the USA wanated to be Americans, as opposed to forcing America to be something else.
But in building the USA, immigrants also crave elements of their prior home - EVERYONE hangs onto the elements of life they grew up with.
I married into a Hungarian family. The Grandparents were boat people that came to the USA in early adulthood to seek their 'fortune'. Their fortune led them to settle in a Hungarian enclave of Akron, OH. While they spoke English it was not their preferred tongue and private conversations to my wife's parents were in Hungarian. My wife's parents were US born and raised in the Hungarian traditions that had traveled to the USA with their parents, they spoke enough Hungarian to converse with their parents but had English as their native tounge. The Hungarian community where they lived built the church we were married in and ensured that that Priest assigned to the church was Hungarian and conducted Hungarian masses in addition to English and Latin masses.
I am certain Dave has taken any number of the ideas and traditions he was raised with in the USA to his present home in Isreal.
I feel certain with what is taking place at the Southern Border any number of TERRORISTS are being CREATED by the USA's treatment and handling of people that are looking for a better, safer life for themselves and their children. Put children in cages and they tend to want revenge on who and what put them there.
I've looked after driveways for years. How long they last is usually a function of how well they were built. And if they were built over a water controlled subsurface - particularly in areas subject to deep freezing or flooding.
pardon me. but I think this is too political, and proper immigration control (not elimination, but control) would have prevented the major year 2001 unfortunate event. (Picking up visas at a credit-card office without security check or consular review, learning how to take-off a plane but not bohtering to learn how to land it)
charlie hebdo 243129 "Baptist-Taliban". I like that!!! +1 So do I.
243129 "Baptist-Taliban". I like that!!!
+1
So do I.
Me, too.
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243129"Baptist-Taliban". I like that!!!
Jim200As I recall, the last census had Texas with the most growth
Primarily from immigration from South of the Border. Which some people criticize but I see silver linings in. This country is far too negative on immigration, it definitely has had positive liberalizing effects on Texas. For one the amount of dry counties continues to shrink drammatically and the idiotic rules of what hours in the day you can purchase hard alcholic beverages is rapidly disappearing as are the idiotic restrictions on corner taverns (the Baptist - Taliban has lost power). Yaaaayyy I say. Finally also have a decent Nicaraquan restaurant in my town where I can buy fresh and authentic bananna leaf wrapped tamales in the morning as well. Roman Catholicism is expanding in Texas as well. Texas will stay comfortably RED as well, rumors of turning BLUE never happen as long as the bozo parade continues to be fielded at the state and national level with one political party.
ROBIN LUETHEI have read that passenger cars and light truck put no wear and tear on our interstate highways. It is all from large and heavy trucks.
Not sure about that looking at my concrete driveway after 20 years use primarily by one person. I don't remember driving any big trucks on it.
if they are willing to pay, no problem. But have they indicated anywhere a willingness to pay?
And, as you can guess, I believe in rural public transportation for the same basic reason I back LDTs.
Israel is a tiny country and cerainly does have a population density far greater than certain parts of the USA. But it is government policy that even the tinyest and most remote community does get a bus twice a day to one of the major cities or towns. I think in the USA this could be once a day, and possibly the post-bus is the solution.
Dave, the rural world you described was a product of the Great Depression that kept people from advancing economically, followed by the rationing of WW II. Most of the rural areas have changed considerably since you were a boy. Their residents want the freedom that cars give them. They are willing to pay their fair share for that freedom. That means they don't end up paying more than their fair share because they have to drive more. For example, no use of their gas taxes to suport bike paths or urban transit which they will never use. No tolling only the roads serving mainly rural areas when the receipts are used mainly in urban areas. Former Philly mayor Rendell tried to do just that when he was governor by trying to toll I-80 which doesn't go within 90 miles of Philly but not tolling I-95 which goes through the city. Basically, his goal was to have Philly's mass transit subsidized by those who would never have an occassion to use it instead of its actual service area and users.
If motorists had to pay full costs.... Well rural areas would then be better served by public transit. During WWII, as a youngster at summer camp, I used the Suncook Valley Railroad's bus service that ran between Alton Bay and Concord. NH. (When at age 13 I learned about the Concord - Pittsfield mixed, my return trip from the biweekly Concord denist's office visit was my the train to Pittsfield and then the bus the rest of the way to summer camp.) I'm pretty certain that bus route doesn't exist today, but it could be restored. Ditto many of the Trailways and Greyhound routes that have been abandoned. The Swiss solved the problem of lightly-used rural transit routes with the Post-Bus, combining mail delivery and public transit in rural areas.
"If motorists saw the true cost of driving at the pump, or as nearly true as can be reflected in the pricing mechanism, they might make wiser choices about the types of vehicles they drive and make greater use of public transit."
JPS1 forgets the rural areas in much of the country where "public transit" basically doesn't exist. They would face a major increase in their cost of living. Of course, there are always those such as an environmentalist friend of mind who said the solution was to have everyone live somewhere where they could all bicycle to work and, if the rural folks wouldn't move, the government would make them.
The US blew it more than 50 years ago when the government began allowing states to double the weight of the truck loads without any look at the long-term effects of the decisions. That combined with the costs of the creation of Medicare, creation of the welfare system, all volunteer miliatary, increase in fuels due to OPEC, SS problems, the Vietnam war & 2nd Iraq war & the Afganistan war, the costs associated with environment regulations, the increasing of non-Fed Taxes in general, not keeping up with Preventive Maintenance on what we have now, the costs of all governmental pentions, etc. has us where we are today in regard to underfunding of infrasture.
daveklepperI need to post that HSR would go direct Bridgeport - Willimantic, not via Danbury, which is an unecessary detour.
Still has the same issue of the Big Left Turn on the Island that the proposal through Hartford does.
I'm still quixotically holding out for being able to see at least one sunrise from the Orient Point Bridge before I pass on.
I don't know if it was the server that fixed things for me or Kalmbach, but at this moment I can sign in at the Yeshiva! Whoopee!
I need to post that HSR would go direct Bridgeport - Willimantic, not via Danbury, which is an unecessary detour.
This came to me from David Klepper:
I'm staying at the Yeshiva today, meaning I cannot post on the Kalmbach website.Not extremely urgent, but if you can, on the Passenger - High SpeedThread, please post the following answer to the discussion on theproblems the Metro North route poses to both current and future Amtrakoperations and to establishing HSR.1. In addition to the problems mentioned, note that track-centersare narrower than standard Woodlawn - New Haven, and the Acela tiltdevice is disabled New Rochelle (or perhaps Penn Station) - New Haven.However, I did once see 110mph on a Turbotrain speedometer betweenStamford and Rye!2. The attached re-doing of Shell was done some 40 years ago at therequest of Noah Caplin, who was a planner at MNCR at the time and agood friend. Graham Claytor had proposed flyovers west of NR Station,but that would demolish about 50 homes and result in some streetclosings. East of the station, MN has lots of land left over from thedays when NR was a terminal for many commuter trains, the initial eastterminal of the electrification, and even had steam servicingfacilities and a turntable. All Penn Sta. trains in each directionwould normally use only what is now the eastbound local platform.During the morning rush, the eastbound local track would see both PennStation westbound trains and locals from GCT. Track 5, the oldHarlem Shuttle track, would see both eastbound and westboiund PennStation trains, During the evening rush, all Penn Station trainswould normally use this track.3. Possibly the best way to implement HSR NY - Boston isalong/adjacent to the LIRR RoW to Greenpoint, tunnel to Bridgeport,then to Danbury and Williamantic
zugmann JPS1 What is the chance of a significant change in how this country pays for roadways? Slim and none. And Slim was just seen riding out of town. With the rise of electric cars - I think you may see that change sooner rather than later.
JPS1 What is the chance of a significant change in how this country pays for roadways? Slim and none. And Slim was just seen riding out of town.
With the rise of electric cars - I think you may see that change sooner rather than later.
Or we will continue down the path of declining infrastructure. Improved infrastructure is the foundation of a strong, modern economy and nation.
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