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A Capitol experience
Posted by Enzoamps on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:27 PM

This past thrusday evening we caught the Capitol Limited from Toledo to Washington DC Union Station.  Our destination was the last stop before downtown, Rockville, MD.   Train was on time at Toledo.  We got to Pittsburgh about 5AM, and right after we left there, the train stopped somewhere dark, and the HEP was shut down.  The AC and lights went out other than the battery lights.  Seemed like about 40 minutes we sat there.

Eventually it all came back on, a couple toots and off we went.  The rest uneventful, breakfast in the dining car at 6:30AM, and a couple stiff bloody mary's at our seats after that (Hey, it was a holiday)   Overheard one of the staff mention they "added a car" at Pittsburgh.

We debarked on the platform at Rockville, and as the train glided by, on the end of the train were now three private cars - apparently what was added in Penna.  As I was standing next to the track I got only a fleeting glimpse.  Two were dark red and looked like N&W cars, possibly PRR.  The first in line was some sort of billboard paint job in light colors predominantly green with angled block lettering.

Can anyone provide further information about whose cars I might have seen that afternoon 12/23/16?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:15 PM

Red and green cars the day before Christmas Eve?  Sounds like you saw Santa's new sleigh.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, December 29, 2016 10:13 AM

A B&O Shark-Nose Freight Baldwin could have been on the point of the Capitol, with passenger power behind providing steam, if the B&O freight diesels were provided with the passenger communications circuit.  There were other railroads that did this, B&M for one.

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Posted by RME on Thursday, December 29, 2016 12:27 PM

daveklepper
A B&O Shark-Nose Freight Baldwin could have been on the point of the Capitol, with passenger power behind providing steam, if the B&O freight diesels were provided with the passenger communications circuit.

However:

The B&O RF16s were not equipped with signal lines, and although it is remotely possible that the two As from the DR4-4-1500 demonstrator set 6001 had signal lines, B&O wouldn't have used those in passenger service.  Even if some B&O sharks had communication lines, I'd expect to see Santa's sleigh sooner than an RF16 (or any other kind of Sharknose carbody) on the point of any train last Thursday... Big Smile

You need to answer in the other thread...

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Posted by Enzoamps on Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:10 PM

Um...  We only had the same two Amtrak locos we left Toledo with, no B&O anything.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, December 29, 2016 8:42 PM

Enzoamps
Um...  We only had the same two Amtrak locos we left Toledo with, no B&O anything.

P030-23 by the scanner at East Schenley, PA (leaving Pittsburgh Amtrak Station on CSX) with

L01 AMTK    154
L02 AMTK    159
001 AMTK  61017
002 AMTK  39003
003 AMTK  32104
004 AMTK  32005
005 AMTK  37006
006 AMTK  33023
007 AMTK  31003
008 AMTK  34004
009 AMTK  31042
010 NS       21
011 NS        3

Two engines and 11 cars with the rear two being NS Private Cars.  No evidence of a multi colored car.

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Posted by Enzoamps on Friday, December 30, 2016 8:19 AM

Thank you very much.  Where does one find these scanners and their results?  When it might have been cut in I don't know, but there was definitely a painted up last (third) coach.  MY family on the platform all remarked on it too.  I was awake from Connelsville on, and we stopped nowhere long enough to add a car that I recall.  CUmberland is a "smoke break" stop, but still maybe 10 minutes tops, and power remained on.

 

Wait!!!  This may be what I saw.  Looking up the last coach 31042 gave it to me.

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Posted by bedell on Friday, December 30, 2016 8:36 AM

New Winter Park ski train car?

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, December 30, 2016 9:34 AM

Enzoamps
Thank you very much.  Where does one find these scanners and their results? 

Access is restricted to employees.

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Posted by Enzoamps on Friday, December 30, 2016 7:37 PM

yes, apparently Winter Park Express.  I found this:

http://media.amtrak.com/2016/12/centurylink-is-presenting-sponsor-of-the-amtrak-winter-park-express/

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Posted by pajrr on Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:32 AM

These cars are known as "wrapped" cars. They are literally wrapped in a plastic film that is a billboard. NJT does this to their coaches (and buses) all the time. The wrapping is a screen that can be seen through. If you are riding the train the window may seem tinted, but you can see through the advertizing.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, January 2, 2017 2:45 AM

Enzoamps

Um...  We only had the same two Amtrak locos we left Toledo with, no B&O anything.

 

Sorry, posted my remark about B&O Baldwin Sharks on the wrong thread.  Probably belonged in Classic Trains.   Apologies!

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, January 2, 2017 8:39 AM

daveklepper
Enzoamps

Um...  We only had the same two Amtrak locos we left Toledo with, no B&O anything.

Sorry, posted my remark about B&O Baldwin Sharks on the wrong thread.  Probably belonged in Classic Trains.   Apologies!

Baldwin Sharks were tried as a HE helper on the Capitol Limited for a short period of time after their purchase - they could not maintain line speed in this service and were given other duties to perform.

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Posted by Jim200 on Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:05 PM

BaltACD
 

 

P030-23 by the scanner at East Schenley, PA (leaving Pittsburgh Amtrak Station on CSX) with

L01 AMTK    154
L02 AMTK    159
001 AMTK  61017
002 AMTK  39003
003 AMTK  32104
004 AMTK  32005
005 AMTK  37006
006 AMTK  33023
007 AMTK  31003
008 AMTK  34004
009 AMTK  31042
010 NS       21
011 NS        3

Two engines and 11 cars with the rear two being NS Private Cars.  No evidence of a multi colored car.

 

NS 21 and NS 3 are pretty nice, but why not connected to transition dorm AMTK 39003? Why would they be on CSX?

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Posted by Dakguy201 on Wednesday, January 4, 2017 5:35 AM

Jim200

 NS 21 and NS 3 are pretty nice, but why not connected to transition dorm AMTK 39003? Why would they be on CSX?

 

When private cars move behind a Superliner equipped train, there is no physical communication with the rest of the train.  The private cars are self contained anyway, and the conductor has a listing of any crew or passengers they may contain.  A crew member of the private car typically has a radio tuned to the road frequency being utilized that can be used should the need arise.

If a backup move is required, the conductor has to walk down the right of way and enter the private car through an opened trap.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, January 8, 2017 10:36 AM

Jim200
NS 21 and NS 3 are pretty nice, but why not connected to transition dorm AMTK 39003? Why would they be on CSX?

It depends what you want to pay for.   Amtrak can operate Private Cars with or without a Transition Car.    If a Transition Car is requested then Amtrak charges the Private Car Owner for it as a chartered car, it does not provide the car for free.  If you pay for the transition car your private car passengers have access to the rest of the Amtrak train while it is moving.

Subject has come up before in the AAPRCO forums.

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