The coaches and coach(-parlor)-bar-lounges (along with the parlor car, which was later rebuilt into a commuter coach) were bulit as bilevels. The bggage(-rpo)-tavern lounge and diners were rebulit from earlier cars and did not run in Amtrak service.
903 was a coach-bar-lounge car, according to Dorin. It was built as a gallery car, as you said.
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
Electroliner 1935Found picture of C&NW diner with a top added to it to match the bi-level cars for the Wisconsin trains.
I'm not going to be the only one clamoring for an interior view of this thing! So ... here is car 903:
http://www.crow_t_robot.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4106514
Astoundingly enough, not only did this make it to Amtrak day, it ran for nearly 20 years in Amtrak service...
[Note that this isn't the "diner" shown in the movie. There were two of these (6958 and 6959) and if they were single-level in this picture it seems unlikely they'd be modified with higher tops later. I can't find any picture of them with such a modification -- someone please provide one!]
Found picture of C&NW diner with a top added to it to match the bi-level cars for the Wisconsin trains.
http://rr-fallenflags.org/cnw/cnw-co903amh.jpg
Diner 6958 was originally in the Streamliner fleet. I think (not certain) a diner ran to Ashland (summer only) by 1963, using a coach-lounge the rest of the year.
CMStPnP Wow, this film is in pretty good condition for being circa 1963 and color. Some nice shots of the C&NW Flambeau 400 as it travels across Northern Wisconsin. Eland, WI is just East of Wausau. Looks like the upper headlight is barely working as a Mars light (broken?). You can detect movement and the light being on as it passes, just looks like the headlight is not pointing forwards so it looks like it is off from a distance (how did that get passed inspection). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLG1y_S5KAc
Wow, this film is in pretty good condition for being circa 1963 and color. Some nice shots of the C&NW Flambeau 400 as it travels across Northern Wisconsin. Eland, WI is just East of Wausau. Looks like the upper headlight is barely working as a Mars light (broken?). You can detect movement and the light being on as it passes, just looks like the headlight is not pointing forwards so it looks like it is off from a distance (how did that get passed inspection).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLG1y_S5KAc
Excellent! The Flambeau 400 was the intercity train I rode most often as a kid, on visits with relatives in Shawano. The only time I got to ride it north of Shawano was the last southbound run out of Ashland, on January 2, 1971. (I had gone north on an overnight Greyhound.)
I'm surprised to see the diner in this video. My recollection is that by the Sixties the diner, along with a parlor and some additional coaches, only operated south of Green Bay.
An oddity of the Flambeau's scheduling is that it ran northbound via Sheboygan, but southbound via Fond du Lac.
BTW, the C&NW trains to Green Bay over the Airline (Fond Du Lac, Oshkosh, Appleton) always had decent patronage to Green Bay, especially in the Summer. I remember in the Summer of 1970 dropping off my Brother and Sister for a ride to Oshkosh, the train was 5-6 bi-levels long with dual F's.
It's the reason why Amtrak pays for Thruway bus service to Green Bay from Milwaukee. But looking on WisDot's rail passenger subsidy list.........Milwaukee to Green Bay is conspicously absent from the rail plan for some reason. Most of the former C&NW rails have been lifted but the same route can be served by ex-Milwaukee Road West to Duplainville, use connect track to CN, use CN North to Green Bay. Maybe it is the expense of PTC and using a non-established Amtrak route.
CMStPnPI've read that the Eland, WI C&NW depot is still there
Eland in the past and today. I'm afraid it's shrunk.
A typical vacationland station, Eagle River, WI today and 1936:
The "Flambeau 400" was also noted as one of the two C&NW passenger trains re-equipped in 1958 in exchange for the discontinuance of a batch of empty local passenger trains in Wisconsin.
By the late 1960's, service north of Green Bay had become seasonal, operating only during the summer and the Christmas holidays. Consequently, the last run of the "Flambeau 400" north of Green Bay took place in January 1971.
081552 Great video! is the line still in service?
Great video!
is the line still in service?
The C&NW Wisconsin lines were notoriously absent of freight. Milwaukee Road was the biggest carrier in the state followed by the Soo Line and C&NW was dead last. C&NW predeccessor railroads in Wisconsin were heavily invested in passenger service and built airlines everywhere that largely duplicated Milwaukee Road or Soo Line trackage in place already. This was done before C&NW acquired them via the Predecessor lines so C&NW when it acquired them did not know competing parallel lines would later merge with MILW or SOO.
In the case of the Flambeau 400 it used the C&NW predecessor Milwaukee, Lakeshore and Western almost exclusively north of Milwaukee. The line stretched from Milwaukee to Ashland, WI where the C&NW had ore docks on Lake Superior. The lines Northwest of Green Bay were all abandoned in the 1980's (where this video was taken). The two lines South of Green Bay only exist in stretches. The line that used to follow the lakeshore of Michigan up was called the Lakeshore Line, the inland line that went through Fond du Lac and Oshkosh was called the Airline. The Flambeau 400 used both routes. Lakeshore Line and Airline between Milwaukee and Green Bay, WI but only one route and one train North of Green Bay to Ashland, WI. The Flambeau 400 had it's last run shortly before Amtrak was started, I believe at that point it was cut back to Green Bay but I am not sure. Below link is a timetable with a map so you can see the routes.
Milwaukee, Lakeshore and Western Lakeshore line was partially funded via the cities it ran through....... it started in 1850's and merged with C&NW I think in 1893.
City of Sheboygan…………………$ 50,000City of Manitowoc………………..$ 75,000City of Two Rivers…………………$ 25,000County of Sheboygan……………$ 80,000County of Manitowoc…………..$250,000Total…………………………………….$480,000
Below is a link to an old C&NW timetable so you can see the C&NW passenger routes and that of the Flambeau 400.
http://streamlinermemories.info/CNW/C&NW62TT.pdf
Here is a link of the current Wisconsin Rail routes that are still active, you can see the C&NW has been completely erased between Ashland and Green Bay, replaced by a combo of the Milwaukee Road and Soo Line.......it's now CN. The former C&NW Ashland line ran about 10-20 miles to the East of Wausau in a slow arc to Ashland.
http://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/rail/railmap.pdf
I've read that the Eland, WI C&NW depot is still there as well as the C&NW Rhinelander, WI depot. After the abandonment of the Milwaukee Lakefront C&NW Depot, the C&NW trains shifted to the current Amtrak Depot (1965), the Flambeau 400 would depart on Milwaukee Road rails via North Milwaukee until it intersected the Lakeshore line or Airline then the trains would leave Milwaukee Road rails onto C&NW.......below is a picture of one of the Flambeau 400 trains using the Wye which is still in place according to current road maps......
http://railroadarchives.org/content/flambeau-400-wiscona-wi
At the now Amtrak Depot in Milwaukee note the train is pointed West for departure over the Milwaukee Road via North Milwaukee to reach it's new junction with both the Airline and the Lakeshore Line (this is 1969).
http://railroadarchives.org/content/milwaukee-train-153-flambeau-400-1969-cnw
C&NW Passenger trains got all the Hollywood types up until the UP passenger train alliance fell apart. So if you ever tour that 10 Chimneys Place in Eagle, WI (West of Milwaukee via I-94 just beyond Pewaukee). Most of the Hollywood Guests Like Paul Lynde and George Burns, etc would arrive via C&NW 400 which stopped in North Lake and they would take a Loooongggg car ride South to the mansion. During the tour they will mention most were picked up in North Lake which was 7-10 miles more distant than the Milwaukee Road twin cities main tracks. Because of how trains were booked and the UP- C&NW alliance is why they came via North Lake. Link to 10 Chimneys:
http://www.tenchimneys.org/
Interesting most Hollywood actors still know this mansion exists but it is run by the state now. I guess it was a popular place for Hollywood stars back in the 1920's to 1940's.
Passengers were about the only traffic by then.
Amazing how 'weedy' the right of way was in all the shots.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
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